5C v 7C - is there _really_ a difference ?
nwp...@my-dejanews.com
I too am a re-starter ( crikey, there are so many of us the world will soon
be overrun by old horn blowers ) after a 6 year layoff. I move house next
month to a new abode with no-one attached - YEAH !!
I did all my previous playing ( some 15 years ) on a Bach 7C mouthpiece.
However, I see a lot of posts in this group singing the praises of the 5C as a
good one to re-start with.
1) What part of the mouthpiece is different between a 5 and a 7 ?
2) Is it worth me shelling at 40 pounds on a new one, or should I just take up
again with trusty old steed ?
Many thanks,
Nige
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dennis
> again with trusty old steed ?
try and find a place that will let you try them. (take rubbing alcohol to
clean them, in case they don't have anything) go in a room,
and try a 7c 5c and 3c, and see which one you like.
a lot of people like the 3c which is very similar in size to the 7c,
but gives a little more flexability, i think.
after you get to where you have built up some strength, (for me, 8 months
of hard work) try a 1b. that seems to give a nice combination of flexability
and good tone for me. (whichever bach you use, find one of the old ones with
the smaller letters. the new ones with the bigger letters are generally regarded
as belonging in the hole at the bottom of the outhouse)
while you're at it, try any others brands they have.
if they have laskey mp's try them. they seem to be the rave
these days.
here is a chart for evaluating some generalities. not everything
applies to everybody, given the differing amountds of pressure people use,
embouchure, teeth/lip formation, etc.
http://www.parke.net/mpc/evaluate.txt
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dennis
and someone volunteered the following:
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If you need a teacher in Atlanta contact George Rawlin. I studied with him
20+ years ago when I lived there, and I still hook up with him once in awhile
when I am in Atlanta. He's a great teacher and player. I don't think he's on
tpin. His email is bach...@aol.com, and his phone number is listed in the
book.
Tim Morgan
always played a 5C. After playing these 5 months part time, I am back at
100% of what I was 15 years ago. Don't know if a 7C would have made any
difference one way or another......just a data point.
Tim
nwp...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <751a1a$do1$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Hello All
>
>I too am a re-starter ( crikey, there are so many of us the world will soon
>be overrun by old horn blowers ) after a 6 year layoff. I move house next
>month to a new abode with no-one attached - YEAH !!
>
>I did all my previous playing ( some 15 years ) on a Bach 7C mouthpiece.
>However, I see a lot of posts in this group singing the praises of the 5C
as a
>good one to re-start with.
>
>1) What part of the mouthpiece is different between a 5 and a 7 ?
>
>2) Is it worth me shelling at 40 pounds on a new one, or should I just take
up
>again with trusty old steed ?
>
EJ
>
> I recently started playing again (5 months ago) after 15 years. I have
> always played a 5C. After playing these 5 months part time, I am back at
> 100% of what I was 15 years ago. Don't know if a 7C would have made any
> difference one way or another......just a data point.
I also recently started again after a 20 years of using my Benge as a
closet ornament. I have three mouthpieces, all Bach, which consist of a
7C, a 5C, and a 10 3/4 CW. When I first picked my horn up again a few
weeks ago, I was using the 10 3/4 CW because I had no chops at all
anymore, and it's wide rim felt comfortable to me. However, many people
here suggested using the 5C, which is what I have been doing. I have
found their suggestions to be good ones, and I now prefer the 5C over
the others. (The 7C just don't feel good at all anymore, since I'm not a
kid anymore.) I don't know if there is another mp out there that may do
even better for me, but for now I'm practicing with the 5C, and it seems
to be working well.
Speaking of practicing, I've also picked up a copy of the Arbon book, as
well as a couple of song books. I'm not very good yet, but I'm finding a
lot of enjoyment and a lot of challenge. I can actually play real notes
above the staff again now, although I don't have a lot of endurance.
I've seen some things on the web that I'm interested in as well. I've
been finding this group to be a great resource.
EJ
rettub
that most students are very yound (between 10-12), so they are physically
smaller, thus the smaller mouthpiece. The 7c is a fine mouthpiece, but I
would recomend the 5c ( or even a 5B) for more room and a slightly larger
sound (usually). If you're just going to be playing casually and for fun I
don't think the 7c would be a problem.
Hope this helps,
Sorry for being longwinded,
Roger Williams
WiCAdam
tried the 5c & like it.
Larger mouthpieces are currently favored, & most professional
players play on rocks the size of the Bach 3 or Schilke 15, with
Symphony players frequently opting for larger cup Diameters.
There are still, however, many fine players with the finest sound
one could reasonably want playing on things the size of a 7c, &
even smaller. Case in point: Bobby Shew.
This is, at least, how I find things in Texas. Other parts of the world
could & probably do differ. But I think it's safe advice anywhere to
start where you left off, at least untill you find something you like better.
Bill Adam
Dallas, TX USA
Stanton
> a lot of people like the 3c which is very similar in size to the 7c,
> but gives a little more flexability, i think.
Dennis is correct in stating that the 3C will provide more flexibility
than the 7C. A lot of folks like it for that reason. However, the 3C and
7C are really not similar at all from a construction and size
standpoint. The 3C is wide and shallow, whereas the 7C is narrow and
somewhat deep. It is almost a misnomer to classify the 3C as a "C" cup
mouthpiece as it is almost shallow enough to qualify as a "D" (though
Bach makes a 3D).
As I was REALLY interested in giving an informed answer about the 5c vs
7c, I opened my MP drawer to search for the appropriate mp's. As I
searched I found my 5C, and old Elkhart 7C, a MOUNT VERNON 7C and an new
CNC 7C. Lets just talk about the 7c's for a minute...
The new CNC 7c sounded and felt like garbage. What a brittle, brittle
sound. It will make someone a great paperweight some day. The old
Elkhart was playable, but felt restricted and not all that focused. The
Mt. Vernon, otoh, was really surprising. The sound was focused. Just the
right amount of resistance. An overall nice playing mouthpiece.
I do have to go back and qualify what I said about 7c's in my previous
post(s). I still stand by what I wrote, but will admit that the Mt.
Vernon 7c is a mouthpiece worthy of consideration when a large sound is
not needed.
The 5c was the superior sounding mouthpiece, seconded by the Mt Vernon
7C. The 5C did not take much more effort to play and is only marginally
larger feeling than the Elkhart 7C. The sound, however, is much, much
rounder and fuller. I think I would feel very comfortable on the 5C,
were I not playing on larger equipment comfortably.
So, to summarize... Equating Bach mouthpiece sizes, one must be acutely
aware of when and how each individual mouthpiece was made (in addition
to their legendary inconsistency). Then throw in different rim widths
and cups and backbores.... How can we even discuss these things
intellitgently? It is a daunting task, no?
See y'all at Midwest,
SK
MWB1JR
sizzles