WD-40 on valves?
mw...@shaw.wave.ca
how WD-40 would do on valves? I really want to know a way of cutting
back on costs for valve oil...or something like that. Please reply
ASAP.
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> I don't really know if this would work good but would someone tell me
> how WD-40 would do on valves? I really want to know a way of cutting
> back on costs for valve oil...or something like that. Please reply
Go to Wal-Mart and get a quart of "Ultrapure" Lamp oil. As many here
have said, and I can also attest, it works great. And only costs around
$3, as i recall. I'm pretty sure that WD-40 would not be a good choice.
(just a hunch).
Flip used the *Ultrapure* on his own Wild Thing for a year to test it, and
can report no bad effects.
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> > I don't really know if this would work good but would someone tell me
> > how WD-40 would do on valves? I really want to know a way of cutting
> > back on costs for valve oil...or something like that. Please reply
>
>
> Flip used the *Ultrapure* on his own Wild Thing for a year to test it, and
> can report no bad effects.
Yeah ... for the cost of two little bottles of Al Cass, you can now get a
GALLON of Ultrapure at Target.
WD-40 is a bad choice. It's not designed to be a lubricant - it's meant to
displace water. (That's where the WD comes from.)
Jerry in Seattle
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Simon Richards
alternatives to valve oil. I agree that it is expensive per unit volume,
but you use it in such small quantities that it's not really one of
life's major expenses is it? How long does a bottle of valve oil last
anyway? Weeks? Months? At a few pounds (or dollars) a time for quality
valve oil I think it's worth it for the peace of mind.
A lot of people talk about ultrapure lamp oil. I can't comment on this
because I haven't tried it. Is it just kerosene
/ parafin? If so I wouldn't imagine it would perform as well as a quality
valve oil does on quality valves (high
evaporation rates, low film strength, etc). However, I did have a trumpet
teacher at school (he was actually a French horn player) who advocated
the use of parafin on valves as he claimed it acted as a mild abrasive
which had a cleaning effect. Hmmmm.... I think I'll stick to Al Cass
fast. Works for me.
And don't even get me started on slide grease - I'm still on the same
small bottle of Selmer slide grease I had when I was at school - and I'm
rapidly approaching 30 now!
Simon.
mw...@shaw.wave.ca wrote:
> I don't really know if this would work good but would someone tell me
> how WD-40 would do on valves? I really want to know a way of cutting
> back on costs for valve oil...or something like that. Please reply
TrmpTrim
> how WD-40 would do on valves? I really want to know a way of cutting
> back on costs for valve oil...or something like that. Please reply
> ASAP.
Don't put anything like that on your horn man. If you call the brasswind you
can order a case of something for less then 30 bucks. I go thru a ton of oil.
A bottle a month. Used to be a bottle a year when I played a Benge. Oil is
much cheaper then being a sax player and dealing with reeds. Your horn is
worth the few bucks a month don't you think? Anything "homemade" or used as a
substitute may contain abrasives. It costs at least 300 buts to replate valves
and at that it might not work.
Hope this helps,
Good luck,
Jon Trimble
David Rice
the use of parafin on valves >
well, there you have it, huh?
Alan Rouse
product and is non-abraisive. I think you'll find its performance is
competitive with the best commercial valve oils. And it is odorless,
which is a real "plus" in my book.
But I realize there are some people out there who need to see "Valve
Oil" printed on the side of the bottle. Hey, if it says "Valve Oil" it
must be government-approved tested stuff, right? So I am willing to
help! Send me your empty Al Cass bottle, along with $5.00 plus
shipping, and I'll fill it with "Alan's Awesome" valve oil. You won't
be disappointed. (And neither will I--my gallon of Ultrapure will be
paid for on the second order!) ;->
P.S. This is a joke... don't send me any bottles!
Simon Richards <sdric...@taz.dera.gov.uk> wrote:
> A lot of people talk about ultrapure lamp oil. I can't comment on this
> because I haven't tried it. Is it just kerosene
> / parafin? If so I wouldn't imagine it would perform as well as a
quality
> valve oil does on quality valves (high
> evaporation rates, low film strength, etc).
TrptMan0
Bach of his. It works just fine. (A little better than Al-Cass, he
says) I think he also puts it on his Strad, but he won't tell anyone.
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mw...@shaw.wave.ca wrote:
> I don't really know if this would work good but would someone tell me
> how WD-40 would do on valves? I really want to know a way of cutting
> back on costs for valve oil...or something like that. Please reply
> ASAP.
>
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> <<Conrad>>
Nick Flower
lubricating oil. If you put something like WD-40 on your valves, they'll
stick.
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Dr. Trumpet
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Look at the can. WD-40 is not a lubricant.
D. Michael McIntyre
<ni...@marchwood48.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>WD-40 would definately not work. Valve Oil is far thinner than normal
>lubricating oil. If you put something like WD-40 on your valves, they'll
>stick.
You can say that again! When I found this trumpet, I knew absolutely
nothing about it. I rooted around in my mother-in-law's cabinets
until I found some 3-in-1 oil. It made the valves WORSE than they had
been after 30 years in the basement!
When I finally got some real valve oil, I immediately saw why.
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> Look at the can. WD-40 is not a lubricant.
Do you mean where it says it "penitrates and lubricates" or where it
says it "un-jams and lubricates"?
Or like on the web site where it says it "protects and lubricates"?
Or maybe where it says:
"LUBRICATES: WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and
hold firmly to all moving parts."
Or:
"..... and lubricates just about anything."
???
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Dr. Trumpet
wrote:
> Dr. Trumpet <dr_trpt-...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Look at the can. WD-40 is not a lubricant.
>
> Do you mean where it says it "penitrates and lubricates" or where it
> says it "un-jams and lubricates"?
>
> Or like on the web site where it says it "protects and lubricates"?
>
> Or maybe where it says:
> "LUBRICATES: WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and
> hold firmly to all moving parts."
>
> Or:
> "..... and lubricates just about anything."
>
> ???
Ok, Mr. Smarty-
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> >Hi,
> >Please try to explain what exactly WD 40 is, seen it
> >several times before in rmmt but....?
> >
> It's spray on stuff that's good for frozen bolts, cleaning stuff, or as a
> quick fix lubricant to get something that's gummed up moving again. It
> shouldn't be used on bearings or other applications where a heavy grease is
> used since it will desolve whatever grease is there. You should be able to
> find it any just about any hardware store.
>
> Now for some history (I used to work at GD and I read this story in some
> company literature, so I'm pretty sure it's accurate):
> WD 40 stands for water displacement formula 40. It was developed in the
> early 60's by General Dynamics (may have been Convair back then) to protect
> the thin steel skins of Atlas rockets from humidity and corrosion when they
> sat on the launch pad in Florida. Some enterprising Convair employees
> decided it would make a good product so they spun off their own company.
>
> John
Do you see lubrication anything in its original development? Go ahead and use
it if you want-to free valves, stuck slides etc. But, as an everyday oil for
valves? Count me out.
Happy Holidays,
AL
Padraic Brown
[snippage galore]
: From John DeCarlis Comes this archived note in my files:
: > quick fix lubricant to get something that's gummed up moving again. It
: Do you see lubrication anything in its original development? Go ahead
: and use it if you want-to free valves, stuck slides etc. But, as an
: everyday oil for valves? Count me out.
For what it's worth, your source _does_ call it a lubricant. Also for
what it's worth, many things that are in common use in our everyday lives
started out as something else. Often in the space industry and in
pharmaceuticals.
You can count me in with the count me outs on everyday use, though. For
the smell if nothing else!
Cheers,
Padraic.
: Happy Holidays,
: AL
bugleboy
use it for my regular performance. I will thoroughly clean and
eliminate WD-40 residue.
More importanly, inhaling it or getting it into our stomach is far
worth than inhaling cigarette smoke. We will get relatively immediate
chemical reaction. This is a no-brainer. Take a look at MSDS or the
caution label on the WD-40 can.
What do we do when we get sick when we use WD-40 for our trumpets?
We definitely sue the manufacturer and whoever recommended it for
trumpets.
Moreover, there is no performace data to prove that it is a good valve
oil. I have never seen it. Let me know if there is.
Since we are living in a free country, we can try anything to get
better performance. Not surprisingly, I never heard that WD-40
performed better in the professional playing environment than Zaja or
Al Cass. WD-40 is an old product. It is been there for decades. Someone
must have done some experiment.
If anyone know about the performance data of WD-40 for trumpets, let us
know. I certainly would not risk my performance.
Tom Warner
> Ok, Mr. Smarty-
Take it easy Al. You said "read the can" so I did. My can said it lube's
so I checked the web site where it also says it lube's.
I've used it as a lube for decades so when people start saying it isn't
a lube or that it contains abrasives I tend to get curious.
Let me say now I would never use it as a valve lube on a brass
instrument. Neither would I use any automotive product.
FWIW, I've been told many times that WD40 is really little more than
kerosene and light oil, and that the only 'secrets' are how refined the
kerosene is, what type of oil, what proportions and what the scent is.
But I have no _proof_ . Something that is already in short supply on
this thread.
I don't see any reason to start name calling.
All the best,
Tom
Dr. Trumpet
> I don't see any reason to start name calling.
>
> All the best,
> Tom
Tom,
Sorry if that was offensive. I meant it as a joke. Been a long weekend, and
that's the name my Grandma always calls me when I'm right!
Hope this clarifies and explains!
Take care.
AL:
Tom Warner
> Sorry if that was offensive. I meant it as a joke. Been a long weekend, and
> that's the name my Grandma always calls me when I'm right!
>
> Hope this clarifies and explains!
Absolutely. I obviously over reacted. It was wrong of me to assume that
you had taken an attitude that was so far out of character.
You've always been nothing less than positive and helpful.
I'll stop before this gets too maudlin but I will offer to stand you a
pint if you ever get to this part of England (near Saffron Walden but
within striking distance of Cambridge and London).
S.Hager
WD40 is short for "water displacement formula #40" & was developed as a
means to remove water from rockets before launched. A bonifide spin-off
technology from the space program of the Saturn days. The stuff does
lubricate & repel water & is useful for lubricating cables for dirt
bikes & I sprayed all my mororcyle engines (dirt & drag bikes) after
washing them. I couldn't imagine using the stuff on my trumpet.
Spencer Hager Jr.
Tom Warner wrote:
> Dr. Trumpet <dr_trpt-...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Look at the can. WD-40 is not a lubricant.
>
> Do you mean where it says it "penitrates and lubricates" or where it
> says it "un-jams and lubricates"?
>
> Or like on the web site where it says it "protects and lubricates"?
>
> Or maybe where it says:
> "LUBRICATES: WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and
> hold firmly to all moving parts."
>
> Or:
> "..... and lubricates just about anything."
>
> ???
D. Michael McIntyre
>kerosene and light oil, and that the only 'secrets' are how refined the
>kerosene is, what type of oil, what proportions and what the scent is.
>
>But I have no _proof_ . Something that is already in short supply on
>this thread.
Well, there's proof enough of that to be had by looking at the MSDS
(Material Safety Data Sheet).
I don't feel like digging it up to quote, but it says the product
contains some kind of light oil and stoddard solvent. Best I can
tell, stoddard solvent is some kind of petrochemical that's really
close to kerosene.
bugleboy
http://www.chemicalsafety.com/cgi-bin/webmsv.exe?appini=D:\nikenew\system.ini&impfile=044257&mode=image