slide falling out

[bach37]

My third valve end slide on my Bach 37 keeps wanting to slide off. And tips
on how to fix this? Thanks.

-S

[Ferrance]

Insert a brass drift with a tapered point into the opening you suspect is too
small and tap the drift ever so slightly. That should enlarge the diameter of
the slide opening. I had a similar problem after my slide hit the floor and
was a little out of round. Cautionary note: If you enlarge the diameter too
much, then you've got a more serious problem.

[William E. Graham]

Bring it to a repair shop. They have a special tool that can
expand the slide tubes slightly, and make it as tight as you
want it....Bear in mind, however, that most third valve
slides are made to be adjusted in length while you are
playing, so you don't want it too tight. They usually have a
stop so they won't fall off the horn, and you keep them
steady with the ring finger of your left hand while
playing.....

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[Tim Priddy]

in article 5Aic8.5999$Ot2.395839@sccrnsc01, William E. Graham at
we...@attbi.com wrote on 2/18/02 9:16 PM:

Mr. Graham, I think he is referring to the spit-slide.

I would use anhydrous lanolin, cut with a bit of valve oil. If the slide
still falls out, you can bend ever so slightly the two slides toward each
other, but NOT MUCH. If you feel uncomfortable with this, just take it to a
qualified repair person.

Regards,

J. Timothy Priddy

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Lead, Ride, Side--All styles--Educator--Arranger--Sight Reader
Central Michigan Region

[Michael Willard]

There is a link to a thread I started about this problem dating around Dec
13 at the bottom. I understand the problem you have may be different in that
the slide stop may be missing its bolts, but I think this thread is about
the same problem you have. For future reference us this link -
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=rec.music.makers.trumpet - and
use the search window with the option to search only in the newsgroup
selected.
Michael

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=9vda1d%24757%241%40plonk.apk.n
et&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dlooking%2Bfor%2Brepair%2Bgroup:rec.music.makers
.trumpet%2Bgroup:rec.music.makers.trumpet%26hl%3Den%26selm%3D9vda1d%2524757%
25241%2540plonk.apk.net%26rnum%3D1

[Michael Willard]

Well that worked :) I took my time responding while studying, and your
question was already answered. The link at the bottom is also 2 miles long
and difficult to paste together, sorry.
Anyway, searching the newsgroup is a valuable suggestion. The thread was
called "looking for a repair suggestion" and the link -
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&group=rec.music.makers.trumpet

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[Vincent Ares]

I have the same problem. It becomes time that the Bach Corp./Selmer has a
solution for this! Almost everything with a newer Bach has troubles with the
end of the third slide.

I have tried a couple of things but none of it really worked... I will ask
my repairman.

Kind regards,

Vincent Ares

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[James Kurz]

I just take the rubber band off my morning newspaper
and slip it around the 2nd valve slide and the 3rd valve finger ring.
No more slide falling out.
Its worked great for me on all my horns.
JK

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[David Griffin]

I use one of my daughter's fabric colored elastic hair bands. Looks just
like the ones I hear Monette charges $ for. The newspaper rubber bands
can tarnish the finish pretty quickly.

David

[jazz...@hotmail.com]

Rubber and silver plate cause some kind of chemical reaction when they
meet -- I was told by a repair tech that some kind of nasty gas is emitted
by the rubber band and that this causes the discoloration.

Anyways, not sure that rubber band/lacquer would exhibit the same
problems.

In any event, I, too, use an elastic hair band, and it works great.

- jeff

David Griffin <gri...@airmail.net> wrote:
> I use one of my daughter's fabric colored elastic hair bands. Looks just
> like the ones I hear Monette charges $ for. The newspaper rubber bands
> can tarnish the finish pretty quickly.

--
Jeff Helgesen
http://www.shout.net/~jmh/

[William E. Graham]

Yeah....The black corrosion that affects silver is silver
sulfate. There are sulfur compounds used in the processing
of rubber, and they react with the silver to create the
silver sulfate. I used to repair IBM machines, and one of my
accounts was the Chevron chemical plant in Richmond,
California. They made insecticides there and there was a lot
of sulfur gases in the air. All of the silver plated relay
contacts in my machines were black all the time.
Fortunately, it seemed to conduct electricity OK, so it
didn't cause much trouble.....

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[Mark]

I had an MF Horn that I tried the "rubber band" idea with, but the rubber
bands never lasted very long because valve oil leaking out would start
dissolving the rubber and would eventually cause it to break. Keep some
spares handy! :-)

[Vincent Ares]

But it's the end of the 3rd valve slide who keefs falling out. Not the slide
itsself. It's a Bach Strad you know...

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[William E. Graham]

Yeah....I've never seen a trumpet that had a separate piece
at the end of the third valve slide....Some of my trumpets
look like they could have such a part, but it's soldered in
place, so it's not removable....Even my Bach strad in C does
not have that part separateable from the rest of the
slide...I've seen orchestra players take the third valve
slide off and sling the moisture out of it, but they always
take the whole slide off, and then retighten the stop screw
when they are done.....Amazing....I've been playing pro
horns for 16 years now, and it's really true that you can
learn something new every day.....

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[majeep]

If you are brave (and I was), you can take the slide out and GENTLY squeeze
the tubes together. VERY GENTLY! You can bend them enough to create enough
drag to keep the slide in place. My 70's 190 Eb has the small tip in it, as
well as my 2 year old 180 Bb. Without a waterkey on the third slide, and
the stop nuts in place, removing the tip is the easiest way to drain the
water out of the third slide.

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[jazz...@hotmail.com]

Yep, the new Conns have a slide for tuning the third valve that's
independent of the ringed slide. Pain in the ass. ;)

--
Jeff Helgesen
http://www.shout.net/~jmh/

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[Catzz66]

>Yeah....I've never seen a trumpet that had a separate piece
>at the end of the third valve slide....

I think it is standard on Bach Strad Bbs.

[Daveblues]

>>Yeah....I've never seen a trumpet that had a separate piece
>>at the end of the third valve slide....
>
>I think it is standard on Bach Strad Bbs.

On my old Benge CG, also

Dave

[Tim Priddy]

in article OnVc8.564$Mp1....@news.shore.net, majeep at
maj...@hardcorejeep.com wrote on 2/20/02 5:25 PM:

Hmmmm...just what I said...

[funky trumpet]

Ditto on my Burbank Benge
Tim

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[majeep]

Sorry, I didn't see your post.

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[Vincent Ares]

Indeed, standard on the Strad. trumpet... like mine...

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[ELLIOTT]

Get some plastic cable ties and a return spring (about l/8' dia.) at a
hardware store. Spring length determined by your tuning slide throw.
Cable tie the spring on the slide end and cable tie the other end around
#3 valve casing. Now you have a neat return spring setup with no tarnish
from rubber. Costs about $l.50. Some adjustment may be necessary.
--Glenn

[Bryan Fields]

I use an old shoelace on my Bach C.

[William E. Graham]

I have a Bach C trumpet model CML 239 ser. # 336032, and it
has a one piece 3rd valve slide, so not all Bach strads have
the piggyback slide....

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[WWise72606]

<<
I have a Bach C trumpet model CML 239 ser. # 336032, and it
has a one piece 3rd valve slide, so not all Bach strads have
the piggyback slide.. >>

All Bb Strads have this feature.
The 236 D also has it.
Wilmer

[Catzz66]

Maybe Selmer figures the C players have more time to dump the slides.
Seriously, is the third valve waterkey an option on both Bb and C Bach horns?
Have not looked at new ones in a long time.

[Ed Grant]

Dunno if you'd find it (3rd extension with water key) available without
special order...I believe that the "bits" are in their accessories
catalogue. For what it's worth, I had a silver plated Amado key (special
order....lacquer is usually stocked by most repair shops) put on my Strad
and you can barely tell that it wasn't original....just the slightest amount
of solder visible where the key is joined to the 3rd extension. Regardless,
I still make it a point to pull the extension from the slide whenever I'm
giving the horn a good cleaning..."just because" (it makes it easier to rod
out the 3rd slide too...I never could figure out how to get the snake
"around the corner" without jamming it and I certainly wasn't going to do
that). Sure saves time during the middle of a concert though....don't leave
home without it!

Folks who don't think they have the 3rd "piggyback" slide probably have a
horn that has not been cleaned properly and the slide is jammed on
thoroughly...check and see if there is hairline "crack" in the plating or
lacquer just at the very tip of the slide stop-rod.

--
Ed Grant

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