Sample CD for industrial?
DevNull
industrial type music. I'm looking for something similar to the 'Poke In
the Ear' series only in audio or akai format. I've tried the
tekno/industrial and dance/industrial CDs but they just don't cut it. Any
suggestions?
DevNull
Kill Switch...Klick
vlad...@chelsea.ios.com (DevNull) wrote:
If your looking purely for sounds I've found alot of usable stuff on the
XX-Large Analogue Dreams. Lots of good "jumping off" points w/ the Akai
CD-Rom pretty well laid out. I despise loop CDs and with 500megs of
sounds only, its hard not to find something usable. Lots of multi samples
so it may not be the disc if you have limited space, I have 8megs in my
S2800 I can usually get 2-4 programs @ a time.
-Paul
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sixty quid I ever spent!
Rev. Ammonia D.
>Just wondering if anyone out there could recommend a good sample CD for
>industrial type music. I'm looking for something similar to the 'Poke In
>the Ear' series only in audio or akai format. I've tried the
>tekno/industrial and dance/industrial CDs but they just don't cut it. Any
>suggestions?
>
I have the Mind Control set from Digital Kitchens, and I love it.
Drums are Heavy and lots of wierd loops and drones.
I don't work for thease guys, so it this is just an opinion, though
if the guys at Digital Kitchen want to pay me for an endorsement.........
The Rev.
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Dino Pannozzo
>Just wondering if anyone out there could recommend a good sample CD for
>industrial type music. I'm looking for something similar to the 'Poke In
>the Ear' series only in audio or akai format. I've tried the
>tekno/industrial and dance/industrial CDs but they just don't cut it. Any
>suggestions?
>DevNull
There is a CD by East/West (Audio and CD-ROM) named "Prosamples 5:
Dance/Industrial". It's a huge collection of drum-loops, I don't like
their sound that much (i think they're all a bit to crispy), but maybe
you'll like or love it? On my knowsledge there is DANCE/INDUSTRIAL II
available at this time.
ciao, Dino
PStation
> I have the Mind Control set from Digital Kitchens, and I love it. Drums
> are Heavy and lots of wierd loops and drones. I don't work for thease
> guys, so it this is just an opinion, though if the guys at Digital
> Kitchen want to pay me for an endorsement.........
How would one go about getting ahold of this CD? I'm very interested.
-Scott
Pain Station
ASOT Global
> I bought the first Dance / Industrial CD and it is totallt lame! The worst
> sixty quid I ever spent!
that's real tough to find use for... have to agree with the film shit.
I've been using films, and better yet, radio DJ sting CD's for years, and
they're the best. If I'm lloking for a beat, and I can't make it, I'll
sample in something off a beat CD, just to get it started. Throw the
swing on in the Vision, and then duplicate all of the parts on the D4 and
Morpheus. Then, you have this immense beat, and as long as you've
sampled the 4 bar progression in 4 parts, it'll move like crazy. For
effects, nothing beats sci-fi and horror movies...
I have about 50 lame CD's that I use to trade with at pawn shops....I've
actually traded for original recordings of Mondo Magic AND Shocking Asia
at pawn shops, for like 2 lousy cheesy pop CD's. I've found radio statio
music libraries of stings, and effects, etc all for almost nothing....
One more little tip that I find to be the bomb, and I know a lot of hip
hop DJ's that do it.... sample the part on the AKAI, then beef up the
beat, then tape record it onto a normal cassette, then re-sample the
whole shit... somehow it sounds so much tighter and more together. Or
just record from CD to tape, then sample.
That's my 2 cents
Dixon
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: -Scott
: Pain Station
call 1800.726.7664. it's $150 for a 3cd set. i don't have it, but it sounds
like a damn good set. plus they have a cd called noise loops for $20. the
review in january's keyboard goes into greater depth. they kind of slam it,
but keyboard's aesthetic choices leave something to be desired. if it's some
jazz guy or mainstream rock guy, keyboard barely gives mention to ebm,
post-industrial, etc. very few women, either. wierd, too. genres that are
99% electronic and sell fairly well.
andy@interface
(who would LOVE to review _mind control_ for digital kitchen. hint, hint)
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Paul W. Campbell
: : > I have the Mind Control set from Digital Kitchens, and I love it. Drums
: : How would one go about getting ahold of this CD? I'm very interested.
there is one newer one in the east west catalog that looks good, but i
left the catalog at work. non emulative noises and similar mayhem. i may
actually get it. got a good review. damn, i can't remember the name. not
the dance industrial ones (not that they were bad), but something
different. hhmmm, ask for the catalog...they are in every keyboard
magazine and so forth.
cheers !
paul
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Msign
a paid endorser type, and I totally agree that Keyboard magazine's idea of
cool (often the opinion of 40 year old Jim Aikin) is a bit questionable.
I am however friends with Nate Goyer, one of the creators of this
collection, and just met the other person responsible, Sean Denton (pretty
sure that's his last name) at the LA NAMM show yesterday, and Sean is
definitely for real, as far as being "one of us" (he was wearing PVC,
skulls, and we rapped about the merits of ARP 2600's)...
Rev. Ammonia D.
What Brother Pablo is talking about is Methods of Meyham form East West. Keyboard liked it, but
most of the folks on the Net have told me it lays on the Nine Inch Pantera end of the spectrum. I
have not heard it myself sothis is just hearsay. Most people ignore what I say anyhow, and I don't blame
them.
Msign
blatantly contains samples loops of NIN, 242 and others... really bogus
stuff...
Hajime Koizumi
: one more thing... DON'T get the Dance/Industrial CD form East/West... it
: blatantly contains samples loops of NIN, 242 and others... really bogus
: stuff...
This is suitable for HipPop!!!!!!!!
Some portions from Skinny Puppy's Too Dark Park were included, also.
Way their stuffs were put ...., it's insulting and aggravating the mood
of me who pays a lot of respect listning to them....
BESIDES!!!, believe or not I'm suffocated from knowing the fact that I
spent a few hunderds of dollars for THIS!!!!!!.
I hate it.
Life is not fare. :< :>
I strongly suggest you to get something else.
hAj<h...@rahul.net>
Frank Winkelmann
> Msign (ms...@aol.com) wrote:
> : one more thing... DON'T get the Dance/Industrial CD form East/West... it
> : blatantly contains samples loops of NIN, 242 and others... really bogus
> : stuff...
>
> This is suitable for HipPop!!!!!!!!
>
> Some portions from Skinny Puppy's Too Dark Park were included, also.
> Way their stuffs were put ...., it's insulting and aggravating the mood
> of me who pays a lot of respect listning to them....
Could it be possible that these bands used this sampling-cd and not
the other way round?
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Mark Hughes
: one more thing... DON'T get the Dance/Industrial CD form East/West... it
: blatantly contains samples loops of NIN, 242 and others... really bogus
: stuff...
I hate loops. I don't care where they came from. If I am ever reduced to
cutting-and-pasting other people's music (with or without their consent),
I hope I will have the good sense to give up.
I bought the Dance/Industrial CD-ROM because the advertising said there
would be individual sound samples as well as the loops. There are, but
they are stored with the loops. In other words, to hear the individual
samples, you have to load a loop, listen to the few samples that are used
in the loop, load the next loop, repeat ad nauseum. This disc requires
*alot* of time and patience if all you are looking for is individual
dance/industrial samples.
Mark
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DevNull
(Mark Hughes) wrote:
> Msign (ms...@aol.com) wrote:
> : one more thing... DON'T get the Dance/Industrial CD form East/West... it
> : blatantly contains samples loops of NIN, 242 and others... really bogus
> : stuff...
>
> I hate loops. I don't care where they came from. If I am ever reduced to
> cutting-and-pasting other people's music (with or without their consent),
> I hope I will have the good sense to give up.
>
> I bought the Dance/Industrial CD-ROM because the advertising said there
> would be individual sound samples as well as the loops. There are, but
> they are stored with the loops. In other words, to hear the individual
> samples, you have to load a loop, listen to the few samples that are used
> in the loop, load the next loop, repeat ad nauseum. This disc requires
> *alot* of time and patience if all you are looking for is individual
> dance/industrial samples.
>
> Mark
>
I hate loops also. I don't remember what I had said in my original post,
but I'm looking for single hits. Mainly along the line of metallic
percussion and machinery . I had Dance/Industrial. It was REAL lame.
There were a few useable drum hits but for the most part it wasn't what
the catalog described. Just like Clockwork and Tekno/Industrial.
As for going out and sampling on my own (as several people have
suggested)...I would love to only I work 2 jobs and don't have time
(unfortunately). May seem like a lame reason but it's true.
Jon
Clever Hans
> As for going out and sampling on my own (as several people have
> suggested)...I would love to only I work 2 jobs and don't have time
> (unfortunately). May seem like a lame reason but it's true.
No, it's just lame. Sorry, but I have a really strong problem with
the growing lack of effort in techno and industrial because of crap
like this. You do have time. I made an entire kit on a k2000 by
dropping my chain wallet on a metal file cabinet twice, once wallet
first and once chain first. From that, after running the sample
through tons of different algorithms for the desired sound i wanted
to place in the kit, I now have one of the coolest kits I've heard
in a while, with lowpasses making kick drums as deep as a 909 and
some gorgeous FUN's tweaking the shit beyond belief.
The point of this, man, is that it took 25 minutes.
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Rudy Kizer
> Msign (ms...@aol.com) wrote:
> : one more thing... DON'T get the Dance/Industrial CD form East/West... it
> : blatantly contains samples loops of NIN, 242 and others... really bogus
> : stuff...
it's hilarious because east/west threatened to sue a friend of mine for
trading sample cd's over the net, claiming they owned the copyright to the
loops on the disc. however, i listened rather closely to the disc and
recognized loops form james brown, madonna, and many other mainstream
artists. do you really think they paid royalties to all the artists whose
material was appropraited for those discs?
is it just me, or is this really hypocrisy on a grand scale?
just my little opinion.
Rudy Kizer, Producer / Engineer
Word Life! Entertainment / Pelicore Visionz West Studios
PO Box 5751
Lafayette, IN 47904
email: word...@holli.com URL: http://www.holli.com/~wordlife
Nigel Spencer
>In article <4f57vb$e...@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>, mhu...@pms104.pms.ford.com
>(Mark Hughes) wrote:
>
>> Msign (ms...@aol.com) wrote:
>> : one more thing... DON'T get the Dance/Industrial CD form East/West... it
>> : blatantly contains samples loops of NIN, 242 and others... really bogus
>> : stuff...
>
>it's hilarious because east/west threatened to sue a friend of mine for
>trading sample cd's over the net, claiming they owned the copyright to the
>loops on the disc. however, i listened rather closely to the disc and
>recognized loops form james brown, madonna, and many other mainstream
>artists. do you really think they paid royalties to all the artists whose
>material was appropraited for those discs?
>
>is it just me, or is this really hypocrisy on a grand scale?
Maybe, though I'd have to find out more about the rights that East/West have before being
able to make comment on this.
There are two issues here. The first is that irregardless of where they found there source
samples you do not have permission to freely trade East/Wests product. You have simply bought
the rights to use them yourself. To redistribute is in fact piracy. However, the other issue of
concern is the sources of the samples and brings to question the nature of the Sample CD
industry itself which can be at times very dubious in that many disks that you buy to use in
your own productions often don't give you the right to use them commercially !!! Which makes
them pretty much useless, and is often written in very non obvious fine print. This is because
they protect themselves by claiming the samples are for 'personal entertainment' (yeah right
!!) though I don't know if that would really cut it in court should a major artist really
decide to sue a Sample CD company. More often than not it won't be them they sue but you the
user once a successful recording of yours come to the attention of the artists concerned.
The bottom line with sample CDs is make sure that the CD mentions that you have unrestricted
rights to use in your own recordings. Many don't !!! But this also doesn't give you the right
to redistribute the material in their original form, else you could just copy the whole CD,
duplicate & go into business.... at which point the sample CD market would collapse.
Ppsng
wrote:
> You have simply bought
>the rights to use them yourself.
You buy a _license_ to use the samples. Your receipt of purchase is proof
of payment for the license. You can resell your license to anyone, and the
buyer of that license can then resell it to anyone, and on and on and on.
At least in America you can do this. Legally sampling CDs are just like
computer software and it's all covered as "intellectual property" (in the
legal system).
I can buy a software program for a Mac or PC and resell it to anyone, as
what I am selling is the license to use it (that's what you are buying).
Some companies such as DigiDesign charge $100 for transfering the name of a
registered owner.....some don't. Most of the East West Catalog of Sampling
CDs are free and clear of any royalty payment....and they also don't require
you to register your purchase of a license to use them.
Selling _any_ sampling CDs is legal as what in fact you are actually
selling is the _license_ and you should make that clear in your
advertisements when you sell sampling CDs.
Now of course no one would be so devious, so criminal in their behavior to
buy a sampling CD for $100, copy it via the digital out on a CD player (or
analog out) to DAT, and then resell the sampling CD and license. I don't
think this would _ever_ happen as it's illegal...and music industry people
are known for being good law obiding citizens who never drive past the speed
limit, use drugs, and break laws.....right?
Ryan Russell Cantrel
kitchen. i only know this from a review in keyboard magazine.
they said it was great. there are four cd's available. this
is not supposed to be your garden variety industrial/dance
thing, it's supposed to be heavy into noise percussive rhythm
beds. this is all i know.
i will also submit to you that i recommend staying away from
the xtatic goldmine stuff. the only thing usable are the
individual 808/909 samples, because they're mostly straight-on
hip hop loops.
Scott Amspoker
Rudy Kizer <word...@POP.holli.com> wrote:
>trading sample cd's over the net, claiming they owned the copyright to the
>loops on the disc. however, i listened rather closely to the disc and
>recognized loops form james brown, madonna, and many other mainstream
>artists. do you really think they paid royalties to all the artists whose
>material was appropraited for those discs?
>
>is it just me, or is this really hypocrisy on a grand scale?
It depends on whether east/west is claiming copyrights on the source
material (C copyright) or their recorded samples of the source material
(P copyright).
You can go out an record the wind. Although you couldn't copyright the
sound of the wind, you can copyright your recording of it to protect
from unauthorized use and duplication. Big difference.
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