Is there an FM synth inside a Yamaha SY22?
mar...@gabriel.ctron.com
while ago that the SY22 has an FM generator
inside but is not accessible by the front
panel.
Is this true? If so can I get at it?
Rob
Michael Mooney
: I saw someone post something here a little
: Rob
I heard it was based on the FB-01. Is this true and has anyone converted
FB-01 sounds to the SY-22?
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Jared Stack
FM source; double that for 4 oscillator mode.
It is of course accessable from the front panel. However, I think what you
really meant to ask was is it fully editable like other Yamaha FM synths.
The answer is no. You basically select the FM "patch" you want to use from
a vast preset list. The only parameter that you can modify is the operator
feedback amount which is called tone in the SY22 from a value from 0 to 7.
I've heard it said that the FM engine is two operator, but it sounds
better than I would have expected from a 2 op, more like 4 op FM.
I don't have a manual handy, but I would seriously doubt if you could do
any additional editing via sysex.
Now if someone could answer why Yamaha chose to make the SY22 patch sysex
incompatible with the TG33, inquiring minds would want to know.
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scott wilson (Simpson)
: Yes the SY22 does have FM. In dual oscillator mode you have 1 sample and 1
: FM source; double that for 4 oscillator mode.
: I don't have a manual handy, but I would seriously doubt if you could do
: any additional editing via sysex.
I don't beleive so either. This was a very hot topic on the SY-list a
couple of weeks ago.
: Now if someone could answer why Yamaha chose to make the SY22 patch sysex
: incompatible with the TG33, inquiring minds would want to know.
Well, I have dumped SY22 banks to my TG33 before. It just ignored any
sequencer information that there was.
I beleive that the final consensus on the list was that the TG-33/SY-22
uses a 2-op synth with 16 or 32 waveforms or something like that. If you
want more power over your FM in vector synthesis, get an SY77 or 99.
But I think that Yamaha did a pretty good job with the TG-33 for that
low price range....
-Scott Wilson
wil...@ee.msstate.edu
Jean Alexis Montignies
> Yes the SY22 does have FM. In dual oscillator mode you have 1 sample and
1
> FM source; double that for 4 oscillator mode.
>
> It is of course accessable from the front panel. However, I think what
you
> any additional editing via sysex.
accessed by Sysex, but they can not be modified individually, you have to
send a full voice parameters (592 bytes). I'm working on a editor for
amiga computers.
Documentation and patches concerning the SY and TG series can be found at
the SY-list ftp site.
Here's an extract from the home page you can access by World Wibe Web
using the URL:
http://www.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/ini/PEOPLE/heja/sy-list.html
"Hi,
this is a WWW page providing access to various infos, sounds and programs
for SYs. It is located at neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de and I'm
running this archive from my personal account as inofficial addition to
the SY-mailing list. Thanks to all the people who uploaded or contributed
in other ways.
For accessing this site via ftp - recommended if you want to download lots
of stuff, use ftp.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de (134.147.176.16)
Please go DIRECTLY to /pub/outgoing/heja/sy-list, if you don't, you'll
probably get into problems.
Another problem may be the authentication scheme of our server that
refuses connections from certain sites. You may try ftpmail to circumvent
this.
If you want to upload something, do so by putting it in /pub/incoming/heja
and send me a short message. Anything in the public domain is welcome, if
you have questions, just mail me at
he...@neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de.
If you want to subscribe to the sy-list, simply mail to
sy-re...@chorus.fr, Adam Mirowski will read your request and put you on
the list as soon as possible.
"
> Now if someone could answer why Yamaha chose to make the SY22 patch
sysex
> incompatible with the TG33, inquiring minds would want to know.
You have aditional parameters in the TG33: effect balance for example.
The TG33 can read SY22 patches i think.
Jean-Alexis
Timothy Kelly
this question? I was reading in a copy of Electronic Musician about the
network of about 40 BBS's called MIDI LINK. Is there a way to access a
MIDI LINK board through the Internet? I do not live near one of the US
ones. Thanks. Timothy Kelly Mid...@ix.netcom.com
Glenn Mandelkern
>mar...@gabriel.ctron.com wrote:
>: I saw someone post something here a little
>: while ago that the SY22 has an FM generator
>: inside but is not accessible by the front
>: panel.
>
>: Is this true? If so can I get at it?
>
>: Rob
>
>
>I heard it was based on the FB-01. Is this true and has anyone converted
>FB-01 sounds to the SY-22?
>--
If anyone here has disassembled their FB-01 and/or their SY-22,
I'd be real interested to know what is the chip number is that's
used for FM synthesis. Most notably, if there happens to be a
24-pin DIP chip that has the word YAMAHA, then a part number
YM-2151, I'd really like to know. YM-2151 happens to be a 4 operator
8 voice FM synthesis chip.
These YM-2151's were used on many video games in the mid to late 80's
along with a D/A converter, part number YM-3012. I've been considering
getting an FB-01 and if it has the YM-2151, that will definitely move
me to get it right away.
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