Rush: Tom Sawyer
Ryan Day
the notes change during the "..the world is" part of the song without
re-triggering the sweeps.
So my quesion: Is that a unison preset stacking all voices or just
lowest-note priority mono?
Thanks again.
Michael Erwin
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Stacked mono. My Obie had all eight voice cards installed, approximately
seven of which worked at any given time. That's where the hugeness comes
from.
Regards,
Michael Erwin
Michael Erwin
>he used a minimoog. i've gotten that same tone many times on mine.
He used an OBX. See my other posts on this subject. And you definitely
didn't get the sound on a Mini. Totally different sounding filter and
monophonic. Don't make me laugh.
Regards,
Michael Erwin
Ryan Day
Jupiter-8, Prophet 5, Oberheim ob-8 and M-12. Much to my dismay, none
of these instruments can come remotely close to recreating the original.
I get too much sawtooth buzz and not enough "beeeerrrrrwww." (LIsten
through headphones. Yes, I know it's panned hard L/R and probably
multi-tracked but the undertone doesn't alter in brightness as the
envelope rolls off)
I heard Geddy used an OB-X.
So, are their any OBX users that can confirm this? Also, I was told the
OBX used decrete componets instead of CEM chips in their filter designs.
I guess that would explain why the OBXa can't do it either.
If it is true, I'd buy an OBX simply for that one preset. ANYONE???
John Rice
maybe Q ) a little differently. I think ( from what I remember ) you can
use the same ADSR to control them but two separate ones might also work even
better.
John L Rice
Dru...@ImJohn.com
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Chris N.
lead sounds on Tom Sawyer are all Minimoog and possibly Moog Taurus
Bass... (which would certainly explain your results)
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Michael Erwin
>Okay. I've tried to recreate those awesome resonance sweeps on a
>Jupiter-8, Prophet 5, Oberheim ob-8 and M-12. Much to my dismay, none
>of these instruments can come remotely close to recreating the original.
>I get too much sawtooth buzz and not enough "beeeerrrrrwww." (LIsten
>through headphones. Yes, I know it's panned hard L/R and probably
>multi-tracked but the undertone doesn't alter in brightness as the
>envelope rolls off)
>
>I heard Geddy used an OB-X.
Correct. The OBX I had in my studio for a couple of years had "the Tom
Sawyer sound" as one of it's presets. It sounds exactly like the record and
cannot be recreated on other synths. Believe me, I've tried. Part of the
reason is the oscillators being slightly out of tune with each other in mono
mode, but the biggest reason is the filter, as you have already suspected.
The Obies have 12dB/oct filters and are brighter sounding as opposed to the
24dB/oct filters of the Moogs, etc. I ended up using that sound in a little
tune right before my OBX went away, just so I could prove to non-believers
where the sound came from. I could mp3 a little piece of it if you get too
many more contradictory opinions. :-)
Good luck,
Michael Erwin
Nm4057
Filter King
David Page
Hi Ryan,
I noticed your post and some of the replies, and from my own experience
I thought I would tell you what I know. I watched Geddy very closely for
a number of years, and saw the show 2 or 3 times each tour, and bought
all the tour books, albums, learned all the songs, (bass, pedals,
synths) and even talked to Geddy's tech to find out how he interfaced
the Taurus pedals to the Oberheim. I still have all the instruments in
question, most of them sitting here in front of me right now. The
opening sound you are talking about is the Oberheim OB-X. (A slight
variation of one of the factory OB-X patches.) At the time of the Moving
Pictures tour, Geddy had the OB-X to his left and the Oberheim 8
voice/Minimoog keyboards in front with the Taurus pedals underneath. He
played the resonant filter sweep patch with his left hand on the OB-X,
and the melody was played with his right hand on the Minimoog. I think
the Taurus pedals were doubling the OB-X line. At the end of the middle
section, he would play the melody and set the Mini to a very long
release time, and then turn the mod wheel up and leave it, causing the
wild fluttering modulation you hear before they go back to
bass/guitar/drums, and the guitar solo. (Try doing that with an Oberheim
sping-loaded mod lever!) I have all the Oberheims and ONLY the OB-X can
do that sound properly. Still one of my favorite synths of all time.
Hope that helps. Take care.
Regards,
David Page
Ryan Day
the sound generating instrument for Tom Sawyer.
The most interesting part of this discussion has to be the fact that
ONLY the OB-X can make that sound, which suggests that it might not
sound as similar to an Xa or OB-8 as people believe (especially in the
filter secton).
Michael Erwin
Totally true. The biggest factor in this is something you've already
mentioned; namely, a totally discrete voice architecture. The filter in the
OBX is made with transistors, op-amps, R's and C's, not with an IC like the
OBXa, etc. It's like Frankenstein's monster.... IT'S ALIVE!!! :-)
The OBX does not possess a super-flexible synth engine, but then there are
other synths that do (M12). The OBX was just placed on this earth to kick
ass, and believe me, it does.
Regards,
Michael Erwin
SMP2000
they had just walked into the studio and gotten that Tom Sawyer-sound right
away on a "big Oberheim" synthesizer. Of course, he didn't specify as to
whether it was an OB-X, OB-Xa, etc. since it was an interview done for the
general public and not for gear freaks like us! :-)
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Jeff Hubbs
John" was one of the best tunes that was used on.
- Jeff
jill
>Nm4057 wrote in message <20000913215141...@ng-cu1.aol.com>...
>
>>he used a minimoog. i've gotten that same tone many times on mine.
>
>
>He used an OBX. See my other posts on this subject. And you definitely
>didn't get the sound on a Mini. Totally different sounding filter and
>monophonic. Don't make me laugh.
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Michael Erwin
>: 0 )
jill
into 2 independant sections
as OB8/OB-Xa can?
Also, while on the subject of Obie trivia (keep this thread going!!! hehe)
What synth was used in Queen's "Football Fight" theme on the
Flashgordon soundtrack? The track with the fat resonant bass riff
and unison lead/melody line. Sounds like an OB-Xa in split mode
to me but one can never be too certain unless they were there
in the studio during production :-)
Any suggestions appreciated
thankx,-jill
Bill Watkins
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> The OB-X was also the weapon of choice for The Producers' Wayne Famous.
"Dear
> John" was one of the best tunes that was used on.
>
> - Jeff
>
Oh my gosh...now we're really realing in the years.. I though I was the only
one in the world that was familar with the Producers, other than the 'guitar
brothers' (bass and lead...it's really not a sock) and the drummer/dentist,
(all from North Florida), that I did a short key's stint with back in the
'80s. Crossed the Producers's path a number of times in the Southeastern
circuit. They were a class act. What ever happened to them ? Anyone,
Anyone...Bueller ?
BW-
Jeff Hubbs
Atlanta (GT campus) c. 1983 and once in Macon c. 1988.
M Fitzgerald
Saw them once at a sporting show at the civic center in Charleston WV.
Got it in the cd player right now.
-Fitz