CZ1000 internal battery?
Andrew S Gianni
battery is dead. If it's been off for a while, it looses all it's internal
programs (which I can of course get back by hitting the p button on the
back) but this means that I can't leave anything in there that I've built
without reloading with a SysEx dump everytimg I want to use it. I figure
it's a dead battery because alot of settings are messed up every time I
turn it on when it's been off for a while. Besided the loss of patch
memory, the pitch bend range generally shoots up to 99 (and it should only
go to 12) as well as lots of other paramaters which go out of bounds. I've
opened up the case several times to work on some other stuff (had to
replace the wall wort plug thing) but I havn't found anything that looks
like a replaceable battery. I noticed several hardwired components labeled
5VDC and 5.5VCD which are either batteries or capicitors, I assume. My
friend Nate saw a small blue cylinderical one which he thought might have
been it (it's hardwired in) I trust him more than myself 'cause he's in
EE. Anyway, I figred that these are semi-common synths so I['m not the only
one having this problem. If you know what I'm talking about and could offer
some help, let me know. Thanks...
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Larry Hendry
>I bought a used CZ1000 a couple months ago, and I think it's internal
>battery is dead. If it's been off for a while, it looses all it's internal
>programs (which I can of course get back by hitting the p button on the
>back) but this means that I can't leave anything in there that I've built
>without reloading with a SysEx dump everytimg I want to use it. I figure
>it's a dead battery because alot of settings are messed up every time I
>turn it on when it's been off for a while. Besided the loss of patch
>memory, the pitch bend range generally shoots up to 99 (and it should only
>go to 12) as well as lots of other paramaters which go out of bounds. I've
CZ-101 or CZ-1000. If you want to retain your memory for more than 1/2 hour or
so after the unit is turned off, you must keep the 6 "D" cells for
battery operation in the unit. These same cells actually provide the
battery backup. There is a capacitor in the unit which will support the
low current drain of the memory chips for 10 to 30 minutes which
will allow you to change the "D" cells when they go bad with out
losing the memory of the CZ. Now the cartridge memory is another thing...
The cartridge does indeed have a samll lithium batter inside that can
be found at any Radio shack.
Hope this clears you up.
He whose name must not be spoken...
Or, if you leave it plugged in all the time, it will retain the patches.
Actually, I've found that mine will usually survive for a day or two before
the patch memory dies out. Weird...
Also, where is this "P" button to restore the internal patches? Mine
doesn't have one! For all the cool sounds I've gotten out of my CZ1000,
it can be an utterly hateful machine at times (i.e. if you use it with
a sequencer and stop the playback in mid-note, it won't assume a note off
message, and will drone annoyingly until you reach over and turn "solo"
mode on and off again or some such... But still, despite the limitiations,
it still has a cool sounding synth engine. I remember everyone used to
bitch about how difficult it was to program sounds, but now the design
seems really simple and straightforward... I guess that when I was 17,
I was daunted by the notion of 8-step envelope when all the books I read
said that an envelope should only have 4! :-)
-Steve
He whose name must not be spoken...
MrAbbott <mrab...@aol.com> wrote:
>>DWallace writes:
>>Where is this "P" button to restore the internal patches?
>
>Turn it over. On the bottom of the machine there is a small indentation,
>that almost looks like it would be for a recessed screw. On the the CZ101,
>I seem to recall there was a "P" molded into the plastic next to it. If
>you take a thin probe style tool (even a straightened paper clip) and
>insert it into that hole, the button on the bottom will reset your memory
>with the original factory patches.
I'll be damned. It turns out that the only way I ever got to hear the
internal patches was because a patch editor I used to use had them as a
file you could send to the synth- when I bought my CZ1000, it had NO
internals in memory, no explanation of why this was so, and no warning that
there wasn't an internal battery. I thought mine was a fluke, but eventually
found out they were all like that... I loved the thing anyway, but what a
weird way of doing things...
But anyway, thanks for the info, even if I never use my CZ anymore. :-)
-Steve
anthony star
> Andrew S Gianni <agi...@cs.buffalo.edu> writes:
>
> >I bought a used CZ1000 a couple months ago, and I think it's internal
> >battery is dead. If it's been off for a while, it looses all it's internal
> >programs (which I can of course get back by hitting the p button on the
> >back) but this means that I can't leave anything in there that I've built
> >without reloading with a SysEx dump everytimg I want to use it. I figure
> >it's a dead battery because alot of settings are messed up every time I
> >turn it on when it's been off for a while. Besided the loss of patch
> >memory, the pitch bend range generally shoots up to 99 (and it should only
> >go to 12) as well as lots of other paramaters which go out of bounds. I've
>
> This may come as a surprise, but there is NOT AN INTERNAL battery in the
> CZ-101 or CZ-1000. If you want to retain your memory for more than 1/2 hour o
> so after the unit is turned off, you must keep the 6 "D" cells for
> battery operation in the unit. These same cells actually provide the
> battery backup. There is a capacitor in the unit which will support the
> low current drain of the memory chips for 10 to 30 minutes which
> will allow you to change the "D" cells when they go bad with out
> losing the memory of the CZ. Now the cartridge memory is another thing...
> The cartridge does indeed have a samll lithium batter inside that can
> be found at any Radio shack.
> Hope this clears you up.
For your edification, -
Had a friend who used to own one of these -
and it DOES take batteries - ( the Ds probably )
now, a very wise man once said "turn all of your
liabilities into assets " -
What my friend used to do was to save his banks
into midi dumps, and then purposely replace the
good batteries with almost fried ones - and then
leaven them - when he turned the system on, on
the CZ100, it would scramble his patches and
VOILA - he would have a whole set of new banks
of sounds to try out, delete, and experiment with
- Using the quirk in the system that scrambled
his banks ...
as a randomizing librarian prg - interesting, eh?
good luck with your new sounds,
P.S. May all your fried batteries bring you endless
sounds of joy and inspiration
MrAbbott
Phil Elwell
|> What my friend used to do was to save his banks
|> into midi dumps, and then purposely replace the
|> good batteries with almost fried ones - and then
|> leaven them - when he turned the system on, on
|> the CZ100, it would scramble his patches and
|> VOILA - he would have a whole set of new banks
|> of sounds to try out, delete, and experiment with
|> - Using the quirk in the system that scrambled
|> his banks ...
|> as a randomizing librarian prg - interesting, eh?
The only problem with this scheme is that it may not be possible to reproduce
the sounds that you get this way. The CZ1000 (and probably other CZ synths)
can be given values inside a program/patch/sound/timbre that cannot be entered
from the front panel. These can give you large vibrato depths, ridiculous
frequencies etc. which, when combined with Ring Modulation, may give interesting
results.
Phil
Jerry Bauer
>I bought a used CZ1000 a couple months ago, and I think it's internal
>battery is dead. If it's been off for a while, it looses all it's
>internal programs (which I can of course get back by hitting the p
>button on the back) but this means that I can't leave anything in
>there that I've built without reloading with a SysEx dump everytimg I
>want to use it.
-- rest of Andrew's post deleted ---
My reply:
The CZ1000 has no internal battery. It relies on replaceable
batteries (six D-cells) for patch memory. It has a backup capacitor
to retain the patch memory for a short time, while the batteries are
replaced.
Jerry Randal Bauer
HALL B J
> Also, where is this "P" button to restore the internal patches? Mine
>doesn't have one! For all the cool sounds I've gotten out of my CZ1000,
It's on the underneath of my CZ-101...
>it can be an utterly hateful machine at times (i.e. if you use it with
>a sequencer and stop the playback in mid-note, it won't assume a note off
>message, and will drone annoyingly until you reach over and turn "solo"
>mode on and off again or some such... But still, despite the limitiations,
>it still has a cool sounding synth engine. I remember everyone used to
>bitch about how difficult it was to program sounds, but now the design
>seems really simple and straightforward... I guess that when I was 17,
>I was daunted by the notion of 8-step envelope when all the books I read
>said that an envelope should only have 4! :-)
I think they're very easy and straightforward to program - it's the only
way you can get nice sounds really...
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