2 step/speed garage bpm/tempo?
aon.766...@aon.at
> hello,
>
> i like some of the new uk 2 step/speed garage around at the moment.
> what are the bpms used for this style?
>
> 120 bpm?
> 130 bpm?
>
> also what bpm for the following;
> trip hop 90bpm??
sounds reasonable!
>
> drum n' bass 180 bpm??
> what are the bpm for garage, techno, house, drum n' bass?
> obviously they vary.
> but just wanted a rough guide.
>
> thanks.
err, 180 bpm sounds pretty tough for drum & bass! i´d say drum n´ bass
has about 140 to 150...
house - usually from 100 to 130 bpm
garage - slower than house: near 120 bpm
techno - from 100 to 160 bpm (this varies a lot)
and now for something completely different:
newschool hardcore - 180 to 240 bpm
non-rotterdam gabber - 200 to 300 bpm
terrorcore - 250 to 320 bpm
speedcore - 300 to 600 bpm (or even more? *g*)
wanna check some of my latest speedcoretraxx?
visit http://kholdflesh.jumpfun.com
greetinxx!
Philip Kaulfuss
: > i like some of the new uk 2 step/speed garage around at the moment.
: > what are the bpms used for this style?
: > 120 bpm?
: > 130 bpm?
2-step garage is usually 130-140.
: err, 180 bpm sounds pretty tough for drum & bass! i´d say drum n´ bass
: has about 140 to 150...
Nope, d&b is about 170-180.
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Nick
fast at the time
Nick
Sobek
wrote:
>I remember when jungle used to be 140 to 150.....a long time ago - it seemed
>fast at the time
>
<snip>
weird that isn't it.. you just get used to faster and faster music...
as a hard house\trance DJ... I tend to steer well clear of even
listening to any form of hardcore... although I quite like some of
it.. after a shot of hardcore all my tunes seem really lethargic for
days after.. my mates all come round wondering why I have all my 33's
on 45.. <g>
Rizla Ranger (Revivin') UK
now be mixed with the current 2 Step!
Dropping Rhythm Section or some
old Formation in the middle of some
R&B garage remix is the nuts!!
Only that's too fast from them days
is the Lucky Spin stuff <wide grin>
Respec'!
Rizla
"Sobek" <us...@hawdon.softnet.co.uk*NOSPAM*> wrote
Philip Kaulfuss
DJ KL5
I'd say 160 is perfect, so why did you say...
>Um... no.
?
180 is a bit of a stretch unless it's really really good jazzy two step.
---Da Klondike Fiver
---"are you doing being or being doing?"
Philip Kaulfuss
: I remember when jungle used to be 140 to 150.....a long time ago - it seemed
: fast at the time
Yep. I started making my own tunes around that time, when I got a .mod version
of "Some Justice" by Urban Takeover. I really got how to do it after studying
that mod (and nicking the samples ;)). Great tune too.
LoopDaBreak
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Philip Kaulfuss
: I'd say 160 is perfect, so why did you say...
: >Um... no.
: ?
: 180 is a bit of a stretch unless it's really really good jazzy two step.
Isn't most drum & bass around 170-180? I know there is other, slower stuff (I
have LTJ Bukem's Earth vol 1) but I thought that was all called acid jazz...
DJ KL5
>have LTJ Bukem's Earth vol 1) but I thought that was all called acid jazz..
"acid jazz" would be Brand New Heavies and Us3 (the more commercial end
anyway).
Jazzy dnb would be LTJ, M-beat, and K&D, but it's not "acid jazz". and Jungle
is perfectly acceptable between 155 and 180bpm.
Guy Powell
distinct styles, there maybe simalarities, but they are different. They are
easily as different as house is from garage, and nobody ever confuses them. Also
Speed Garage and 2step are distinct sub styles of a theme, and are again not the
same thing. This may sound like I am just tring to over complate things, but I
did not start it, and it saves confusion. Sure you can blend styles together, but
that does not make them the same thing.
Robbie Crockett
Robbie
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Philip Kaulfuss
: and Jungle is perfectly acceptable between 155 and 180bpm.
I don't doubt that, but I haven't heard a jungle tune below 170bpm for about 5
years. I think the slower stuff is all nu-skool breaks now.
Jim Johnson
two
> distinct styles, there maybe simalarities, but they are different. They are
> easily as different as house is from garage, and nobody ever confuses them. Also
> Speed Garage and 2step are distinct sub styles of a theme, and are again not the
> same thing. This may sound like I am just tring to over complate things, but I
> did not start it, and it saves confusion. Sure you can blend styles together, but
> that does not make them the same thing.
The minute variations of the diferent forms of techno are meaningless to
most people who are not immersed in the music.
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Owen Kavanagh
> I have a friend who just calls it all Techno. Is she going to hell?
Hhahhahaaaaaaaaaaaahhahhehhhheh...you tell 'em. Chill out, elitists.
-ok
>
> Robbie
>
> Guy Powell wrote in message <39743168...@iai.fzk.de>...
Daniel Jobbins
It usually gets played in clubs @ 180bpm
UK Garage is usually made @ 134-140 - mostly played out @ 140bpm+
Dan MIRACLE
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> aon.766...@aon.at wrote:
>
> : > i like some of the new uk 2 step/speed garage around at the moment.
> : > what are the bpms used for this style?
>
> : > 120 bpm?
> : > 130 bpm?
>
> 2-step garage is usually 130-140.
>
> : err, 180 bpm sounds pretty tough for drum & bass! i´d say drum n´ bass
> : has about 140 to 150...
>
> Nope, d&b is about 170-180.
>
Nick
the 2-step heads and the junglists happy coz everyone likes the old stuff!
Nick
Rizla Ranger (Revivin') UK <firi...@ridgeline-wesleys.org> wrote in
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> ... and most of the old 92 HD/CR can
> now be mixed with the current 2 Step!
>
> Dropping Rhythm Section or some
> old Formation in the middle of some
> R&B garage remix is the nuts!!
>
> Only that's too fast from them days
> is the Lucky Spin stuff <wide grin>
>
>
> Respec'!
>
>
> Rizla
>
>
> "Sobek" <us...@hawdon.softnet.co.uk*NOSPAM*> wrote
>
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:52:53 +0100, "Nick" <nick_s...@lineone.net>
> wrote:
>
> >I remember when jungle used to be 140 to 150.....a long time ago - it
> seemed
> >fast at the time
> >
Tetraplan
Kaulfuss) wrote:
> I thought that was all called acid jazz...
There *are* words worse than "Electronica".
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>On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Robbie Crockett wrote:
>
>> I have a friend who just calls it all Techno. Is she going to hell?
>
>Hhahhahaaaaaaaaaaaahhahhehhhheh...you tell 'em. Chill out, elitists.
O brother... here we go again...
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Tim Finney
> From: Guy Powell <pow...@iai.fzk.de>
> Organization: Forschungszentrum Karlsruhe GmbH
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> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:28:57 +0200
> Subject: Re: tempo? ::: Drum'n'bass is not Jungle
>
> Why does everyone continue to confuse Jungle and Drum'n'bass, these are two
> distinct styles, there maybe simalarities, but they are different. They are
> easily as different as house is from garage, and nobody ever confuses them.
I'm assuming you're referring to US and not UK garage, because otherwise the
above statement would be preposterous. Anyway, despite the fact that quite a
few people *do* confuse house and garage, it's relatively easy to
distinguish between the two because they were two distinct styles which
simultaneously grew out of disco but in different cities (Chicago and New
York respectively).
Everyone "confuses" jungle and drum & bass because they are the same style
with two names, used interchangably largely for minute semantic reasons.
"Drum & bass" sounds more respectable and less ruff than "jungle", and also
plays down the style's afro/jamaican roots). Since techstep "drum & bass"
shares far more with darkcore "jungle" than with GLR or Roni Size's "drum &
bass", you can't even distinguish drum & bass for melodic sophistication,
which was largely possible in 95/96. A further example of a needless
semantic choice is when describing "deep drum & bass" or "intelligent drum &
bass". Both mean the same style, but there's a slightly different emphasis,
largely pertaining to the attitude/history of the person describing it - if
they say "deep" they probably came to jungle from house or jazz, and if they
say "intelligent" then probably armchair techno.
As you can probably tell, I'm fascinated by the motivations which inform the
creation of such names. There's a huge division in the gabba scene between
those who call a more meloncholic strain of it "doomcore" and those who call
it "gloomcore". At the moment they're the exact same sound. Sometimes though
the use of two different names eventually results in the music going in
different directions. That hasn't happened with jungle/drum & bass though.
Tim
aon.766...@aon.at
> weird that isn't it.. you just get used to faster and faster music...
> as a hard house\trance DJ... I tend to steer well clear of even
> listening to any form of hardcore... although I quite like some of
> it.. after a shot of hardcore all my tunes seem really lethargic for
> days after.. my mates all come round wondering why I have all my 33's
> on 45.. <g>
*gg* yeeaah, i can remember the times when 220 bpm were regarded a tough speed in
hardcore! nowadays 250 bpm seem to be the lower limit in some areas and 300 bpm
are quite usual...
->even if those cunt faces on thunderdome just play on wankin´ 150! ^_^
greetinxx!
DJ TeLL
Not to be rude, but does it really matter? What's good is good. Call
it what you like. What matters is whether or not it sounds good.
With the time we all waste discussing this, we could be playing some
music. I've said enough. I'm gonna go spin myself a DnB/Jungle set
On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:28:57 +0200, Guy Powell <pow...@iai.fzk.de>
wrote:
>Why does everyone continue to confuse Jungle and Drum'n'bass, these are two
>distinct styles, there maybe simalarities, but they are different. They are
>easily as different as house is from garage, and nobody ever confuses them. Also
>Speed Garage and 2step are distinct sub styles of a theme, and are again not the
>same thing. This may sound like I am just tring to over complate things, but I
>did not start it, and it saves confusion. Sure you can blend styles together, but
>that does not make them the same thing.
>
>DJ KL5 wrote:
>
>> >I
>> >have LTJ Bukem's Earth vol 1) but I thought that was all called acid jazz..
>>
>> "acid jazz" would be Brand New Heavies and Us3 (the more commercial end
>> anyway).
>>
>> Jazzy dnb would be LTJ, M-beat, and K&D, but it's not "acid jazz". and Jungle
>> is perfectly acceptable between 155 and 180bpm.
>>
>> ---Da Klondike Fiver
>> ---"are you doing being or being doing?"
DJ TeLL
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Remove nospam to mail me.
Andre Lewis
course the hybrid DnB meets house Jumpup ... ;)
And I pretty much consider it all to be a sub-genre of DnB, specialized
forms including Jungle. Of course te stuff I write doesn't fall under any
of these categories save DnB, so I'm sure I'll go straight to hell.
B-B-B-B-Bass how low can YOU go?
BassMeister3000
Grooveweed
Well, let me see... garage is, for a start, house. It is a sub genre of
house which is more soulful. UK Garage (the term 'speed garage' has pretty
much been abandoned now), however, is a genre of its own, which gets its
roots from drum n bass, jungle, house, hip hop, r&b and many other things.
2step is a type of UK Garage, where instead of a 4/4 beat there's only a
beat every 8th beat- giving a very bump and grind feel.
Hope this clears things up, it's just that in proving your drum and
bass/jungle point, (which I'm not going to pretend I know much about), you
sort of got mixed up a bit with house, garage, UK garage and 2step.
Chris
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: are quite usual...
What??? 300bpm???? how the hell do you mix that????? that must sound like
shit!
i though that most happy hardcore stuff was around 165-180bpm
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aon.766...@aon.at
> :nowadays 250 bpm seem to be the lower limit in some areas and 300 bpm
> : are quite usual...
>
> What??? 300bpm???? how the hell do you mix that????? that must sound like
> shit!
> i though that most happy hardcore stuff was around 165-180bpm
yeah, happy hc is that slow but happy hasn´t got anything in common with
hardcore!
how do you mix that? mostly using some turntables and other records of that
speed! (d´oh!)
and: this soundz so f**king great that you take all of your crappy house
vinyl and have them recycled...
greetinxx!
Pat & Jenn
>
> Why does everyone continue to confuse Jungle and Drum'n'bass, these are two
> distinct styles, there maybe simalarities, but they are different. They are
> easily as different as house is from garage, and nobody ever confuses them. Also
> Speed Garage and 2step are distinct sub styles of a theme, and are again not the
> same thing. This may sound like I am just tring to over complate things, but I
> did not start it, and it saves confusion. Sure you can blend styles together, but
> that does not make them the same thing.
Brian: Are you the Judean People's Front?
Reg: Fuck off!
Brian: What?
Reg: Judean People's Front! We're The People's Front of Judea! Judean
People's Front, God!
Rogers: Blighters...
Brian: Can I...join your group?
Reg: No, piss off!
*yawn*
Pat McNeil
Tetraplan
I doubt that very much...
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>greetinxx!
aon.766...@aon.at
> >vinyl and have them recycled...
>
> I doubt that very much...
give it a try - i couldn´t imagine that slow stuff (techno, electronic body
music) or death metal would be worth to listen at but got into it. just keep an
open mind!
greetinxx!
Mr. Chance
"Grooveweed" <groov...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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> 2step is a type of UK Garage, where instead of a 4/4 beat there's only a
> beat every 8th beat- giving a very bump and grind feel.
2-step is a dnb sub-genre w/ kick on 1, 3.5 and snare on 2, 4.
Chance
Rizla Ranger (Revivin') UK
with your and our primordial instincts.
don't sub-divide or y'all cause innovation to hide
Don't try and place claim for one style to any
innovation which spawns within the structures
of another musical genre, it diminishes and
undermines the spiritual intent and also shows
yo lacka understandin' .............
Respec'!
Rizla :)
"Mr. Chance" <red...@tripod.net> wrote
"Grooveweed" <groov...@virgin.net> wrote
Grooveweed
spaces are filled in any rhythm you like with anything you like.
Chris
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arguments over JUNGLE not being Drum & Bass, they are two completely
different 'styles'...............
I've asked so many people "when I say Jungle Music you think of what?" and
they say things like Kemmet, 1994/1995, ragga samples, 3rd Party and so on.
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>
>
> > From: Guy Powell <pow...@iai.fzk.de>
> > Organization: Forschungszentrum Karlsruhe GmbH
> > Newsgroups:
> >
alt.music.techno,alt.music.midi,alt.music.makers.dj,alt.music.jungle,rec.mus
ic
> > .makers.synth
> > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:28:57 +0200
> > Subject: Re: tempo? ::: Drum'n'bass is not Jungle
> >
> > Why does everyone continue to confuse Jungle and Drum'n'bass, these are
two
> > distinct styles, there maybe simalarities, but they are different. They
are
> > easily as different as house is from garage, and nobody ever confuses
them.
>
Sven
Why is no one creating his own music style, and why is ev'body copying London, Frankfurt, Detroit to the highest extent?
Now there's all this raving going on about garage and a lot of former jungle djs in my community are happy that they can make a graceful exit into more commercial fields.
Apart from that i had a good time at a idiot garage party with shit mcs last sat.
Sven
Jon Masters schrieb:
>
> :nowadays 250 bpm seem to be the lower limit in some areas and 300 bpm
> : are quite usual...
>
> What??? 300bpm???? how the hell do you mix that????? that must sound like
> shit!
> i though that most happy hardcore stuff was around 165-180bpm
Nick
thing.
Nick
DJ TeLL <funkj...@home.nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Not to be rude, but does it really matter? What's good is good. Call
> it what you like. What matters is whether or not it sounds good.
> With the time we all waste discussing this, we could be playing some
> music. I've said enough. I'm gonna go spin myself a DnB/Jungle set
>
>
>
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:28:57 +0200, Guy Powell <pow...@iai.fzk.de>
> wrote:
>
> >Why does everyone continue to confuse Jungle and Drum'n'bass, these are
two
> >distinct styles, there maybe simalarities, but they are different. They
are
> >easily as different as house is from garage, and nobody ever confuses
them. Also
> >Speed Garage and 2step are distinct sub styles of a theme, and are again
not the
> >same thing. This may sound like I am just tring to over complate things,
but I
> >did not start it, and it saves confusion. Sure you can blend styles
together, but
> >that does not make them the same thing.
> >
> >DJ KL5 wrote:
> >
> >> >I
> >> >have LTJ Bukem's Earth vol 1) but I thought that was all called acid
jazz..
> >>
> >> "acid jazz" would be Brand New Heavies and Us3 (the more commercial end
> >> anyway).
> >>
> >> Jazzy dnb would be LTJ, M-beat, and K&D, but it's not "acid jazz". and
Jungle
> >> is perfectly acceptable between 155 and 180bpm.
> >>
> >> ---Da Klondike Fiver
> >> ---"are you doing being or being doing?"
>
Verse 101
tempo and beat and uses drum and bass (duhhh) as its primary instruments.
Jungle is a sub-category of drum n bass and a more aggressive style in what
kinda drums it uses. Stuff like LTJ Bukem is DnB to me because he uses a
lot more melody and lighter drum sets (more hihats and cymbals). Jungle
stereotypically has the deep rolling bass, hard snares, and bumpin bass
drums.
So to me.. there's a big difference between LTJ and EZ Rollerz for example.
Then.. jungle has its subcategories too. Jump-up, techstep, dark, etc etc.
It's all a musical hierachy... but in the end, it's whatever you think is
good. It's just good to know some of the categories and names just to
appreciate the variety of music there is out there.
peace..
Nick wrote in message <8lnb90$pr0$1...@supernews.com>...
Günter Nagler
>
> To me, jungle is drum and bass and drum and bass is jungle. Its the same
> thing.
encyclopedia tells that:
drum'n'bass is a british variant of early jungletechno. Rhythm is less complex,
bass line is in this techno variant in front. Initiators: Deep Blue (1994), Dead
Dred (1995), L Double(1996), Undercover Agent(1996)
Persi
>
>To me, jungle is drum and bass and drum and bass is jungle. Its the same
>thing.
There is no difference. Some call it jungle and some call it drum n bass. I've
heard many junglists refer to their own music as jungle or drum n bass. Sure
you got your different styles; tech step, hard step, jump up, jazzy, darkcore,
drill n bass, etc, but it's all essentially the same thing. Jungle/drum n bass
or whatever the hell you wanna call it.
Nick
so-called 'facts' from but these 'facts' are wrong.
Drum and bass is a british variant of early jungletechno ?? Yeah right !
There are so many holes in that statement I'm not even going to bother
answering them....
Nick
Günter Nagler <gna...@iicm.tu-graz.ac.at> wrote in message
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> Nick wrote:
> >
> > To me, jungle is drum and bass and drum and bass is jungle. Its the same
> > thing.
>
Günter Nagler
>
> which encyclopedia is this exactly ?? I'm not sure where they got these
> so-called 'facts' from but these 'facts' are wrong.
German "Handbuch der populären Musik. Rock, Pop, Jazz, World Musik." (handbook
of popular music
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3254083636/qid=964764444/sr=1-2/028-2911665-7530968)
aon.766...@aon.at
> Why is no one creating his own music style, and why is ev'body copying London, Frankfurt, Detroit to the highest extent?
there are lots of styles in techno (or call it electronica) and just creating something new just for the sake of not "copying" makes not much sense. and when some1 loves the
detroit style and wants to compose more of that stuff, why shouldn´t he? the minor changes in style are enough to add some "personal note" to the track...
> Apart from that i had a good time at a idiot garage party with shit mcs last sat.
imho electronica don´t need any mcs at all: the music should be interesting enough to get the crowds moving...
greetinxx!
Nick
Listen up....Gunter
This info is wrong. Make sure you look elsewhere for your jungle info - try
breakbeat.co.uk for starters and check the history etc. That description of
jungle in that so-called encyclopedia is pathetic !
No offence but seriously - look elsewhere!
Nick
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Tetraplan
>Sven schrieb:
>
>> Why is no one creating his own music style, and why is ev'body copying London, Frankfurt, Detroit to the highest extent?
>
>there are lots of styles in techno (or call it electronica)
^^^^^^^
oops... that word again
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