Which module has best Rhodes piano Sounds?
Steve Glover
Steve
JamesBRey
Haldane S. Henry
>Thanks,
>Steve
You'll probably get the best Rhodes sounds from a Yamaha FM module like
the TG77 or from their TX series of sound modules. I think the TG77 might
be the best of the lot for this because the FM sound can be combined with
the built-in samples for a nice rich tone.
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Haldane S. Henry
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Jayson Tipp
Rhodes.
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Not A Speck of Cereal
[] My vote would still be the DX7II/TX802 [...]
Huh? Those are nice el. pianos, but the're FM tine sounds, nothing
like Rhodes sounds at all (but then, I guess I am assuming that the
poster meant 'Fender' rhodes)
[] [...] and the Roland MKS-20 or P-330.
The Roland Rhodes sound is unique too, but I've been searching for
the ultimate Fender emulation in a synth. The best so far seems to
be the Fender samples in the "Keyboards of the 60s & 70s" expansion
board for the Roland JV80/JV1080 series, JD synths and XP synths.
Chris
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keyboards and Rhodes.
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Dean
Paul Hamilton
(Haldane S. Henry) wrote:
I have an ASR-10, and the best damn Rhodes sound in the world comes on the
factory floppies!
Get a sampler. You'll never go back.
Paul.
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David Chertock
Buy a Rhodes - in LA they go as low a $150 for a stage 73.
In a previous article, midi...@i-2000.com (Steve Glover) says:
>Thanks,
>Steve
>
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Charles Owen
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> Buy a Rhodes - in LA they go as low a $150 for a stage 73.
>
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It's to dynamic. I would compare it to and electric guitar, with all of
its variations and nuances associated with playing style and
electro-mechanical construction. Certain modules are good at certain
things. Some are good with the bell like harmonics produced when playing
softly in the upper register. Others are good with the skanky distorted
low notes made when whacking the keys in the lower register. And others
are good with the mellow phase sound associated with the suitcase 76.
My point is that no module will be able to get an acurate overall
Rhodes sound. If you have the space in your vehicle for a real one I
suggest you pick one up (for as little as $199 - well worth it). I
regretably sold mine a while ago, and I've never been able to come close
to that sound.
At the moment I'm using a combination of things . I use a Micro
Piano with a cry-baby wha-wha for that Pink Floyd "Money" sound, and I use
a JV-1080 for that Simon and Garfunkel phaser sound.
David Anderson
> The Rhodes "sound" is difficult to really emulate with a synth/sampler.
> It's to dynamic. I would compare it to and electric guitar, with all of
> its variations and nuances associated with playing style and
> electro-mechanical construction. Certain modules are good at certain
> things. Some are good with the bell like harmonics produced when playing
> softly in the upper register. Others are good with the skanky distorted
> low notes made when whacking the keys in the lower register. And others
> are good with the mellow phase sound associated with the suitcase 76.
> My point is that no module will be able to get an acurate overall
> Rhodes sound. If you have the space in your vehicle for a real one I
> suggest you pick one up (for as little as $199 - well worth it). I
> regretably sold mine a while ago, and I've never been able to come close
> to that sound.
I agree. I'd love to have a light keyboard with the same sound, but I
have yet to play a Rhodes copy that could reproduce the dynamic timbral
nuances of the real thing. The sound of a note struck hard is very
different from one played softly. I suppose cross-fading between
different sample might do it, but I'm suspicious.
The other BIG concern was pointed out by Donald Fagen. Many samplers,
etc... reproduce notes in Equal Temperament. A piano, on the other hand,
is Stretch-Tuned, with the high notes tuned a certain number of cents
higher and the low notes tuned lower. Unless your sampler can reproduce
stretch tuning, the Rhodes sound wil NEVER sound as wonderful as it can.
I recently bought a Strobe Tuner and stretch-tuned my Clavinet, and the
results were amazing. Fagen won't use a sampled Rhodes for this reason,
and he should know.
David Anderson
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there's one that I programed my self that I love
Elert von Mueller
: The other BIG concern was pointed out by Donald Fagen. Many samplers,
: etc... reproduce notes in Equal Temperament. A piano, on the other hand,
: is Stretch-Tuned, with the high notes tuned a certain number of cents
: higher and the low notes tuned lower. Unless your sampler can reproduce
: stretch tuning, the Rhodes sound wil NEVER sound as wonderful as it can.
: I recently bought a Strobe Tuner and stretch-tuned my Clavinet, and the
: results were amazing. Fagen won't use a sampled Rhodes for this reason,
: and he should know.
: David Anderson
Could you describe by which amount the notes have to be de-tuned?
elert
Scott Amspoker
: jame...@aol.com (JamesBRey) wrote:
: [] [...] and the Roland MKS-20 or P-330.
: The Roland Rhodes sound is unique too, but I've been searching for
: the ultimate Fender emulation in a synth.
Having owned a Rhodes 88, I have to say that the MKS-20 Rhodes patch
is the best I've heard (not that I've heard everything there is). The
default setting is a tad bright so I dulled it down a bit with the
on-board EQ. However, it's not just the sound that counts, it's the way
it responds to dynamics. The MKS-20 somehow managed to capture dynamics of
a Rhodes very well. If I hit the keys hard, I get that grunge. The
on-board chorus and tremelo add just the right depth and richness to it.
Considering that a used MKS-20 is probably quite cheap these days, I would
say it is well worth considering.
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Scott Amspoker
: David Anderson (dav...@humnet.ucla.edu) wrote:
: : David Anderson
With all due respect to Donald Fagen (I love his work), I find his interviews
annoying to read as he comes off sounding like some kind of pseudo-elitist.
There are some good reasons not to use a sampled Rhodes, tuning is not one
of them. Anyone who has owned a real Rhodes knows the horrors of tuning
those things. Each of the tines has a crude tuning adjustment as well as
an adjustment for orienting the tine towards its pickup. The slightest
adjustment of the latter noticeably changes the timbre of that note.
It is quite a feat to get a Rhodes adjusted so that every note is in
perfect tune *and* has a consistent timbre across the entire keyboard
(with no single note jumping out). That's why there is no single "correct"
Rhodes sound. Each Rhodes piano will sound a little different from the
next one based on the preferences of the artist. I always liked my
Rhodes to sound a little dark.
I won't even go into the problems with the out-of-phase Rhodes tremelo.
If you can get a sampler with a decent Rhodes imitation, the digital
tuning is a lifesaver. If you want stretch tuning, there are samplers
that are capable of doing that.
As someone else already pointed out, the timbral dynamics is important
to the Rhodes sounds. As I already pointed out, the MKS-20 handles
those dynamics superbly. It goes beyond the realm of crossfading
two samples.
Mark W. Smart
The best sampled Rhodes sound I ever got was on a friend's Korg 01/W,
which I programmed myself. There are very nice samples of a Rhodes played
softly and a Rhodes being smacked. By setting up the patch to crossfade
between these sounds according to velocity, I was able to get something
that was VERY realistic.
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Rich Jones
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> Elert von Mueller (elert.vo...@munich.ixos.de) wrote:
> : David Anderson (dav...@humnet.ucla.edu) wrote:
>
> : : The other BIG concern was pointed out by Donald Fagen. Many samplers,
> : : etc... reproduce notes in Equal Temperament. A piano, on the other hand,
> : : is Stretch-Tuned, with the high notes tuned a certain number of cents
> : : higher and the low notes tuned lower. Unless your sampler can reproduce
> : : stretch tuning, the Rhodes sound wil NEVER sound as wonderful as it can.
> : : I recently bought a Strobe Tuner and stretch-tuned my Clavinet, and the
> : : results were amazing. Fagen won't use a sampled Rhodes for this reason,
> : : and he should know.
The Roland Rhodes MK-80 (Harold Rhodes worked as a consultant with
Roland on this instrument) has stretch-tuned Rhodes sounds.
I own a Roland Rhodes MK-80 (not a module--has 88 weighted keys) and
have used a Roland MKS-20. The MKS-20 uses S/A synthesis, while the
Rhodes MK-80 uses "Advanced" S/A. Advanced S/A gives you control over
the sounds that goes beyond simple EQing, with parameters like "Body",
"Tightness" and "Punch". These are hard to describe in words, but the
changes they make are easily heard and provide alot of flexibility.
EQing is also provided in the 80.
Both have 8 basic sounds. MK-80: 4 Rhodes (Classic, Special, Blend,
Contemporary), 2 Pianos, Clav, Vibes MKS-20: 2 Electric Pianos, 3
Pianos, Clav, Harpsichord, Vibes
The 80's Rhodes sounds, "Classic", "Special", "Blend" and
"Contemporary", get increasingly brighter, with Contemporary sounding
like that awful DX-7 Rhodes-type patch. Special and Blend are still
good Rhodes imitations, and I use them sometimes when Classic gets lost
in the mix, but Classic is still my favourite of all digital RHodes
sounds I've heard to date. The 20's Electric Piano 1 is close to
Classic, while Electric Piano 2 is close to Contemporary.
The 20 has better Acoustic Piano sounds than the 80 (Piano 3 is my
favourite--nice and bright, really cuts through), though the 80's
Acoustic Piano 2 is pretty good. I still need to play the the
parameters on the 80 to get its Piano 2 to sound like the 20's Piano 3,
which is still my all time favourite Piano sound. The 80's Clav is
amazing; great for R&B. Don't remember what the 20's Clav sounds like.
Never really used the Harpsichord or Vibes sounds on the 20, and I don't
use the 80's Vibes sound.
If you do want an MK-80, good luck finding one. I called about 20 music
stores before I found one. I'm in Ontario, the store was in
Philadelphia. You shouldn't have a problem finding an MKS-20 used
though.
Hope this helps.
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