Song: Runaway (Del Shannon, 1961)
Synthesizer: Musitron (Max Crook)
Song: Good Vibrations (Beach Boys, 1966)
Synthesizer: Theremin? (Brian Wilson)
Song: No Time Like The Right Time (Blues Project, 1967)
Synthesizer: Ondioline (Al Kooper)
Song: C.T.A.-102 (Byrds, 1967)
Synthesizer: Theremin & Oscillators (Roger McGuinn)
Song: Brown Shoes Don't Make It (Mothers Of Invention, 1967)
Synthesizer: Oscillators (Don Preston)
Song: Daily Nightly (Monkees, 1967)
Synthesizer: Modular Moog (Micky Dolenz)
Song: Strange Days (Doors, 1967)
Synthesizer: Modular Moog (Jim Morrison)
Song: Star Collector (Monkees, 1967)
Synthesizer: Modular Moog (Paul Beaver)
Anyone care to add to this song list ?
Eventually, there were whole rock groups built around synthesizers:
Fifty Foot Hose
Joe Byrd And The Field Hippies
Lothar And The Hand People
Silver Apples
United States Of America
I would also like to initiate a discussion on how the electronic sounds
on the three Jimi Hendrix Experience studio albums were achieved...
--
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West Virginia Native American Coalition
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"I can see a lone artist with a lot of tapes and an extension
of the Moog synthesizer, a keyboard with the complexity and
richness of a full orchestra."
-- Jim Morrison, 1969
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Before you buy.
The Beatles Abby Road 1969 - Moog
Maxwell's Silver Hammer, Because, Etc.
In article <8jpfu6$2og$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Magic....Total Magic.
Lucky Man
Emerson, Lake and Palmer - 1969
Keith Emerson on a custom made Moog Modular (detuned sawtooth monolead with
great pitch bending).
See also Top 10 of Best Synth Soloes Ever at http://switch.to/synthesizers
Not to split hairs or anything, but didn't that album and that song come
out in 1970?
Emerson cringes every time this is brought up - I went to see him in a
panel discussion at the Smithsonion (it was a panel discussion about
synthesizers and technology, and the impact on music).
He talked about it a bit in that he said he was just wanking off and
they recorded it. He said, "I told them, oh I think I've got something
now, let's try again", and they told him "oh no that's it, there aren't
any more tracks, that's perfect".
He said he REALLY wanted to try a few more takes, he wasn't happy with
what he did at all, but they wouldn't let him try again.
Emerson looked really embarrased when they played the cut, making faces
as the portamento thing was going on.
I agree that when you think "moog synthesizer" you think of that song,
although I'm sure Emerson would rather you think of another ELP tune.
I don't know, maybe they actually "recorded" Lucky Man in 1969, but I'm
pretty sure it was released in 1970.
Analogeezer
p.s. Bob Moog was also on the panel, at the end, they wheeled out a
minimoog, and Emerson played the ostinato from Tarkus, while Bob Moog
made various weird sounds on a Theremin.
That was a lot of fun, if somewhat silly - I was kind of in awe to be in
the same room with those two guys....
> Classic synth song of the 60-ties:
>
> Lucky Man
> Emerson, Lake and Palmer - 1969
>
> Keith Emerson on a custom made Moog Modular (detuned sawtooth monolead with
> great pitch bending).
>
> See also Top 10 of Best Synth Soloes Ever at http://switch.to/synthesizers
Wrong decade.
--
"...nothing is real."
> On another thread, the discussion turned to what were the early uses of
> various synthesizers in rock and pop music. Here then is a summary of
> that discussion, with some additions on my part:
>
>
> Song: Daily Nightly (Monkees, 1967)
> Synthesizer: Modular Moog (Micky Dolenz)
You sure Mickey played it? I know he owned one for a while (sold it to
Bobby Sherman!!!) And it was Mickey sitting in the dashiki in the little
"video" of the song in front of the system.
> Anyone care to add to this song list ?
What about "Baby You're a Rich Man?" I forgot the name of the instrument,
but I know Lennon played it.
And then there's all those tunes on Abbey Road using Harrison's IIIP.
Usually played by the writer of the song:
Maxwell's Silver Hammer
Ocotpus's Garden
I Want You (She's So Heavy)
Something
> Eventually, there were whole rock groups built around synthesizers:
>
> Fifty Foot Hose
> Joe Byrd And The Field Hippies
> Lothar And The Hand People
> Silver Apples
> United States Of America
LOTHAR was a Theremin (not a human). And the U.S. of A (led by Joe Byrd)
used something called a Durret synth, and ring modulators.
DS
--
"...nothing is real."
Todd Clark wrote:
> On another thread, the discussion turned to what were the early uses of
> various synthesizers in rock and pop music. Here then is a summary of
> that discussion, with some additions on my part:
>
> Song: Runaway (Del Shannon, 1961)
> Synthesizer: Musitron (Max Crook)
>
> Song: Good Vibrations (Beach Boys, 1966)
> Synthesizer: Theremin? (Brian Wilson)
>
> Song: No Time Like The Right Time (Blues Project, 1967)
> Synthesizer: Ondioline (Al Kooper)
>
> Song: C.T.A.-102 (Byrds, 1967)
> Synthesizer: Theremin & Oscillators (Roger McGuinn)
>
> Song: Brown Shoes Don't Make It (Mothers Of Invention, 1967)
> Synthesizer: Oscillators (Don Preston)
>
> Song: Daily Nightly (Monkees, 1967)
> Synthesizer: Modular Moog (Micky Dolenz)
>
> Song: Strange Days (Doors, 1967)
> Synthesizer: Modular Moog (Jim Morrison)
>
> Song: Star Collector (Monkees, 1967)
> Synthesizer: Modular Moog (Paul Beaver)
>
> Anyone care to add to this song list ?
>
> Eventually, there were whole rock groups built around synthesizers:
>
> Fifty Foot Hose
> Joe Byrd And The Field Hippies
> Lothar And The Hand People
> Silver Apples
> United States Of America
>
> I would also like to initiate a discussion on how the electronic sounds
> on the three Jimi Hendrix Experience studio albums were achieved...
>
> --
> Todd Tamanend Clark
> Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
>
> Autonomous American Indian Movement of Pennsylvania
>
> West Virginia Native American Coalition
> http://www.infoteam.com/nonprofit/wvnamco
>
> http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all
>
> http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=236
>
> "I can see a lone artist with a lot of tapes and an extension
> of the Moog synthesizer, a keyboard with the complexity and
> richness of a full orchestra."
> -- Jim Morrison, 1969
>
>LOTHAR was a Theremin (not a human). And the U.S. of A (led by Joe Byrd)
>used something called a Durret synth, and ring modulators.
>
>DS
I think a lotta the stuff Joe Byrd used were prototypes made by Tom
Oberheim. I seem to remember him hanging around the U.S. of A. a lot.
Great group - I loved Dorothy's voice.
Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/
> > Todd Clark wrote:
> >
> > On another thread, the discussion turned to what were the
> > early uses of various synthesizers in rock and pop music.
> > Here then is a summary of that discussion, with some
> > additions on my part:
> >
> > Song: Daily Nightly (Monkees, 1967)
> > Synthesizer: Modular Moog (Micky Dolenz)
>
> You sure Mickey played it?
Yes. We already researched this on the other thread, and in the liner
notes to the album it appears on (Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones,
Ltd.), Peter Tork describes these sessions and explains why he prefers
the electronic sound sculpture approach that Dolenz takes on "Daily
Nightly" to Paul Beaver's more imitative of conventional Eurocentric
orchestral instruments on "Star Collector".
> I know he owned one for a while (sold it to Bobby Sherman!!!)
Indeed, he did.
> And it was Mickey sitting in the dashiki in the little "video"
> of the song in front of the system.
That video changed my life.
Roger also did "Moog Raga" which was released on the reissue of "Notorious Byrd
Bros." from '67, and also "Fiddler A Dram" from the reissue of Ballad of Easy
Rider from '69.
>Song: Good Vibrations (Beach Boys, 1966)
>Synthesizer: Theremin? (Brian Wilson)
Also used on "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" from Pet Sounds '66.
According to The Pet Sounds Sessions box set book it was played by Paul Tanner
on both tracks.
Daniel.
I could swear that this was done on another instrument...
I knew I had a link here somewhere.
http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/4611/PTE-TPage.html
The thing is Theremin-like. Almost more like the Solo-ette (or whatever
they were called.)
Ed
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>Not to split hairs or anything, but didn't that album and that song come
>out in 1970?
That would still be in the sixties then ;-)
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>
>Emerson cringes every time this is brought up - I went to see him in a
>panel discussion at the Smithsonion (it was a panel discussion about
>synthesizers and technology, and the impact on music).
>
>He talked about it a bit in that he said he was just wanking off and
>they recorded it. He said, "I told them, oh I think I've got something
>now, let's try again", and they told him "oh no that's it, there aren't
>any more tracks, that's perfect".
>
>He said he REALLY wanted to try a few more takes, he wasn't happy with
>what he did at all, but they wouldn't let him try again.
>
>Emerson looked really embarrased when they played the cut, making faces
>as the portamento thing was going on.
>
>I agree that when you think "moog synthesizer" you think of that song,
>although I'm sure Emerson would rather you think of another ELP tune.
>
>I don't know, maybe they actually "recorded" Lucky Man in 1969, but I'm
>pretty sure it was released in 1970.
>
>Analogeezer
>
>p.s. Bob Moog was also on the panel, at the end, they wheeled out a
>minimoog, and Emerson played the ostinato from Tarkus, while Bob Moog
>made various weird sounds on a Theremin.
>
>That was a lot of fun, if somewhat silly - I was kind of in awe to be in
>the same room with those two guys....
>
>
> > Song: C.T.A.-102 (Byrds, 1967)
> > Synthesizer: Theremin & Oscillators (Roger McGuinn)
>
> Roger also did "Moog Raga" which was released on the reissue
> of "Notorious Byrd Bros." from '67, and also "Fiddler A Dram"
> from the reissue of Ballad of Easy Rider from '69.
Were either of these tracks ever released during the 1960's ?
> > Song: Good Vibrations (Beach Boys, 1966)
> > Synthesizer: Theremin? (Brian Wilson)
>
> Also used on "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" from Pet
> Sounds '66. According to The Pet Sounds Sessions box set book,
> it was played by Paul Tanner on both tracks.
But was it what is considered an actual theremin, or was it some
other theremin-sounding synthesizer ? (I've heard both reports.)
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True, but didn't the group also use a Moog as well ?
> > And the U.S. of A. (led by Joe Byrd) used something called
> > a Durret synth, and ring modulators.
This synthesizer was played by Joe Byrd; the ring modulator was used on
Gordon Marron's electric violin; and Craig Woodson used an early
prototype of electronic drums.
> Harvey Gerst wrote:
>
> I think a lotta the stuff Joe Byrd used were prototypes made
> by Tom Oberheim. I seem to remember him hanging around the
> U.S. of A. a lot.
This group, for better or for worse, made my music what it is today.
> Great group - I loved Dorothy's voice.
Me, too. It was Jim Morrison, however, who made my vocals what they are
today.
--
Todd Tamanend Clark
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
Autonomous American Indian Movement of Pennsylvania
West Virginia Native American Coalition
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"I used to see the universe as a mammoth snake, and I used
to see all the people and objects, landscapes, as little
pictures in the facets of its scales."
> I think a lotta the stuff Joe Byrd used were prototypes
> made by Tom Oberheim.
Do you or anyone else have a clue as to how Rotary Connection achieved
their electronic sounds ?
--
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Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
Autonomous American Indian Movement of Pennsylvania
West Virginia Native American Coalition
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"Expose yourself to your deepest fear; after that, fear has
no power, and the fear of freedom shrinks and vanishes."
mg...@earthlink.net wrote:
> In article <8jq8lh$1j6$1...@enterprise.cistron.net>, "Peter L."
> <plang...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Classic synth song of the 60-ties:
> >
> > Lucky Man
> > Emerson, Lake and Palmer - 1969
> >
> > Keith Emerson on a custom made Moog Modular (detuned sawtooth monolead with
> > great pitch bending).
> >
> > See also Top 10 of Best Synth Soloes Ever at http://switch.to/synthesizers
>
>> Also used on "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" from Pet
>> Sounds '66. According to The Pet Sounds Sessions box set book,
>> it was played by Paul Tanner on both tracks.
>
>But was it what is considered an actual theremin, or was it some
>other theremin-sounding synthesizer ? (I've heard both reports.)
I'm not sure. I read an article with Tanner once about what he played. It was
not a synthsizer, but a modified Theremin. It used a wire laid inside a board
that you run your finger along rather than an antenna. The circuitry was more
or less a theremin though. That thing Mike Love was playing on Ed Sullivan when
they did Good Vibrations was possibly that instrument. It's often confused for
a Moog Ribbon Controller. I believe Mike did actually use a Moog later during
the 70's live. You can see him with the ribbon controller on the Concert album
from around '72.
Another Monkees track with synth was "PO Box 9847" from The Birds, The Bees,
and The Monkees 1967. The Rhino reissue cd has an alternate version of it with
much more synth that the original release. The Rhino issue of Pisces, Aquarius,
Capricorn, and Jones Ltd also has alternate versions of "Daily Nightly" without
the synth which is interesting to hear, the synth really added a lot to that
track, and of "Star Collector" with an extended synth solo that's much cooler
than the original release imo.
Daniel.
Early Gong, Soft Machine, Tangerine Dream (or the early variations of
the K. Schulze bands), some Zappa stuff, etc. had some pretty early
synth stuff. If I weren't so old I could remember some titles.
>On another thread, the discussion turned to what were the early uses of
>various synthesizers in rock and pop music. Here then is a summary of
>that discussion, with some additions on my part:
>
>Song: Runaway (Del Shannon, 1961)
>Synthesizer: Musitron (Max Crook)
>
>Song: Good Vibrations (Beach Boys, 1966)
>Synthesizer: Theremin? (Brian Wilson)
>
>Song: No Time Like The Right Time (Blues Project, 1967)
>Synthesizer: Ondioline (Al Kooper)
>
>Song: C.T.A.-102 (Byrds, 1967)
>Synthesizer: Theremin & Oscillators (Roger McGuinn)
>
>Song: Brown Shoes Don't Make It (Mothers Of Invention, 1967)
>Synthesizer: Oscillators (Don Preston)
>
>Song: Daily Nightly (Monkees, 1967)
>Synthesizer: Modular Moog (Micky Dolenz)
>
>Song: Strange Days (Doors, 1967)
>Synthesizer: Modular Moog (Jim Morrison)
>
>Song: Star Collector (Monkees, 1967)
>Synthesizer: Modular Moog (Paul Beaver)
>
>Anyone care to add to this song list ?
Album: Moog: The Electric Eclectics of Dick Hyman (1969)
Modular Moog
Album - Electronic Sounds - George Harrison (1969)
Songs - Here Comes the Sun, Maxwell's Silver Hammer, I Want You (She's So Heavy)
Abbey Road - Beatles (1969)
Song - Beautiful Zelda - Bonzo Dog Band (1968)
...and of course the Doctor Who theme song
Tony Evans
Olasongs
ton...@mediaone.net
>Song: Good Vibrations (Beach Boys, 1966)
>Synthesizer: Theremin? (Brian Wilson)
This is wrong. It's always been a popular belief that a theremin was used on
the original recording. It was actually a similar device called an
electro-theremin, which had a slide-like controller to change the pitch. The
device was developed by a trombone player, and had a similar design as a
theremin. The same deivice was used for sound effects on "My Favorite
Martian" a TV show from the mid-60's. If you listen to the oscillations on
"Good VIbrations", you can hear the pitch change in a steady manner, an
effect that could not be done on a theremin, you could not get your hand to
stop in the exact spot every cycle. Supposedly, the trombone player donated
his electro-theremin to a hospital to test hearing.
busyditch
Uh, that was actually a tape of Bernie Krause or Paul Beaver demoing
Harrison's Moog in the studio. They were pissed off when it was
released. I think it was pulled. . .
----------------------------------------------------------
I also firmly believe that the solo on GOOD VIBRATIONS was NOT a
theremin. There is a "Live" video of them miming the song (although
with live vocals) and someone is playing a ribbon controller.
I own both a theremin and a modular Moog. That solo came from a Moog.
The main bit of evidence I hear is the sharp attack on the note.
Theremins only have antenna controlled dynamics and there is not
enough speed in the wrist to make the note just "turn on."
I may be wrong, but does anyone know the name of the person who
supposedly played that theremin?
I think that they just let the rumor go; more people know this little
"fact" than you can shake a cabasa at. I just think they're wrong.
---------------------------------------------------------
There were a lot of "Me Too" synthesizer crap recordings in the
Sixties.
One more interesting one was "Everything you ever wanted to hear on
the Moog but were afraid to ask for." - a well produced and underrated
Spanish music album. Done by Shepard and Kazdin. I must have listened
to it a hundred times.
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Ed & Cori wrote:
>
> Todd Clark wrote:
> >
> > > > Song: Good Vibrations (Beach Boys, 1966)
> > > > Synthesizer: Theremin? (Brian Wilson)
> > >
> > > Also used on "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" from Pet
> > > Sounds '66. According to The Pet Sounds Sessions box set book,
> > > it was played by Paul Tanner on both tracks.
> >
> > But was it what is considered an actual theremin, or was it some
> > other theremin-sounding synthesizer ? (I've heard both reports.)
> >
> > --
> > Todd Tamanend Clark
> > Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
> >
>
> I could swear that this was done on another instrument...
>
> I knew I had a link here somewhere.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/4611/PTE-TPage.html
>
> The thing is Theremin-like. Almost more like the Solo-ette (or whatever
> they were called.)
>
Daniel.
> mg...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> >LOTHAR was a Theremin (not a human). And the U.S. of A (led by Joe Byrd)
> >used something called a Durret synth, and ring modulators.
> >
> >DS
>
> I think a lotta the stuff Joe Byrd used were prototypes made by Tom
> Oberheim. I seem to remember him hanging around the U.S. of A. a lot.
> Great group - I loved Dorothy's voice.
>
> Harvey Gerst
My third record - still have it, along with 5 other copies. The album
notes credit "Richard Durrett, instrument design engineer - creator of the
DURRETT Electronic Music Synthesizer and Ring Modulator"
A lot of the stuff people are listing are way off on the dates.
Carlos' "S.O.B." is 1968, but not songs in any literal sense. Her
"Clockwork Orange" came out well after the movie's release, more like '71
or '72.
Kazdin and Shepherd's "Everything You Wanted to Hear..." is '72.
Tomita's first US release "Snowflakes Are Dancing" is from '74.
"Early Gong, Soft Machine, Tangerine Dream (or the early variations of
the K. Schulze bands), some Zappa stuff, etc. had some pretty early
synth stuff. If I weren't so old I could remember some titles.
Ed"
This is all 70's stuff except for the Zappa. Not that Soft Machine didn't
exist on the 60's but not very electronically. Of course, Elton John's 1st
American release, which came out in '70 but was rexorded in '69, has a lot
of beautiful modular Moog on it.
> >Song: Good Vibrations (Beach Boys, 1966)
> >Synthesizer: Theremin? (Brian Wilson)
>
>
>
> busyditch>Song: Good Vibrations (Beach Boys, 1966)
>Synthesizer: Theremin? (Brian Wilson)
Nonetheless, according to Mr Wilson himself, he's playing a Theremin. But
you know what "they" say about the 60's.
Larry Fast didn't start putting out solo electronic albums until '75 at
the earliest. And the Moog Cookbook are a very recent phenomenon, part of
their 1st album was done here at my house on my modular a few years ago.
Mysterious, alien fellows...god knows where they disappeared to.
I once spent a very nice day with Bebe Barron, discussing the creation of
the "Forbidden Planet" score. The main thing I rememeber is that she said
the sounds came from these little gizmos that Louis had built, and that
what they mostly got on tape was the sound of these little devices
failing. The LP she gave me was the LOUDEST record I've ever heard.
Here Comes the Sun
Maxwells Silver Hammer
and other as recorded on August 5th and 6th,1969
Mark
Todd Clark <tama...@helicon.net> wrote in message
news:8jrbfg$dit$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <20000703184507...@ng-fh1.aol.com>,
> son...@aol.com (Sonic VI) wrote:
>
> > > Song: C.T.A.-102 (Byrds, 1967)
> > > Synthesizer: Theremin & Oscillators (Roger McGuinn)
> >
> > Roger also did "Moog Raga" which was released on the reissue
> > of "Notorious Byrd Bros." from '67, and also "Fiddler A Dram"
> > from the reissue of Ballad of Easy Rider from '69.
>
> Were either of these tracks ever released during the 1960's ?
>
> > > Song: Good Vibrations (Beach Boys, 1966)
> > > Synthesizer: Theremin? (Brian Wilson)
> >
> > Also used on "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" from Pet
> > Sounds '66. According to The Pet Sounds Sessions box set book,
> > it was played by Paul Tanner on both tracks.
>
> But was it what is considered an actual theremin, or was it some
> other theremin-sounding synthesizer ? (I've heard both reports.)
>
> --
> Todd Tamanend Clark
> Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
>
> Autonomous American Indian Movement of Pennsylvania
>
> West Virginia Native American Coalition
> http://www.infoteam.com/nonprofit/wvnamco
>
> http://www.annihilist.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_all
>
> http://www.guitargeek.com/layouts/display.php3?id=236
>
> "I'm interested in anything about revolt, disorder, chaos,
> especially activity that SEEMS to have no meaning."
>> I think a lotta the stuff Joe Byrd used were prototypes made by Tom
>> Oberheim. I seem to remember him hanging around the U.S. of A. a lot.
>> Great group - I loved Dorothy's voice.
>>
>> Harvey Gerst
>My third record - still have it, along with 5 other copies. The album
>notes credit "Richard Durrett, instrument design engineer - creator of the
>DURRETT Electronic Music Synthesizer and Ring Modulator"
What can I say?? I'm getting old - and you're absolutely right. Now
that you mentioned his full name, I remember it was in fact, Richard
Durrett. The US of A used my Acoustic Control amplifiers, and I would
run sound for them whenever they played the Ash Grove.
As I recall, Dorothy (Moskowitz?) left the group and Joe decided that
it wouldn't be the same without her, so they disbanded. Joe Byrd went
on to do arranging and producing (Ry Cooder and Phil Ochs), and a lot
of session work in jazz, as a bass player. I think Dorothy sang in
another rock band a few years later, but I can't remember who's band
it was, but it was around the same time as Steve Miller.
>I once spent a very nice day with Bebe Barron, discussing the creation of
>the "Forbidden Planet" score. The main thing I rememeber is that she said
>the sounds came from these little gizmos that Louis had built, and that
>what they mostly got on tape was the sound of these little devices
>failing. The LP she gave me was the LOUDEST record I've ever heard.
>
>DS
Still an amazing movie. To see AND to hear.
While their was no guitar player on their album, there was one in the
live band. Do you remember anything of interest about him?
I also was impressed that their lyrics were so complex that they had to
carry lyric sheets on stage as if they were sheet music and that they
had the courage to write in an extremely detailed manner nearly on a
par with William S. Burroughs about socially taboo subject matter.
> As I recall, Dorothy Moskowitz left the group and Joe decided
> that it wouldn't be the same without her, so they disbanded.
> Joe Byrd went on to do arranging and producing (Ry Cooder and
> Phil Ochs), and a lot of session work in jazz, as a bass player.
I never knew that he played bass guitar, but in addition to his "United
States of America" album (1968), I also have "American Metaphysical
Circus" (1969) and "Yankee Transcendoodle" (1976).
> I think Dorothy sang in another rock band a few years later,
> but I can't remember who's band it was, but it was around the
> same time as Steve Miller.
In the 1970's, she played keyboards for Country Joe McDonald on his
solo efforts after The Fish broke up.
> > I once spent a very nice day with Bebe Barron, discussing
> > the creation of the "Forbidden Planet" score. The main
> > thing I remember is that she said the sounds came from
> > these little gizmos that Louis had built, and that what
> > they mostly got on tape was the sound of these little
> > devices failing. The LP she gave me was the LOUDEST record
> > I've ever heard.
>
> Still an amazing movie. To see AND to hear.
I have the DVD on order. I used to watch "Forbidden Planet" in reruns
on Chiller Theater, a local Pittsburgh television show in the 1960's
hosted by Bill Cardille, who later appeared in the original "Night Of
The Living Dead", which was filmed around here.
--
Todd Tamanend Clark
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
Autonomous American Indian Movement of Pennsylvania
West Virginia Native American Coalition
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> > I read in rec.audio.pro where Todd Clark wrote:
> >
> > On another thread, the discussion turned to what were the
> > early uses of various synthesizers in rock and pop music.
>
> Which thread was that? I must have missed it.
Monkees/Hendrix
> > Anyone care to add to this song list ?
>
> The Supremes, "Reflections". As I remember (from hearing it on
> the oldies stations in recent years), it's an oscillator with
> a tape echo. Maybe it was a Moog, or maybe it was just an
> HP 200 audio oscillator with someone keying the output on and
> off while turning the frequency dial.
>
> > Eventually, there were whole rock groups built around
> > synthesizers:
>
> Synergy [Larry Fast] was (and still is) a popular one-man band,
> probably the most popular of the genre.
His keyboard work with Peter Gabriel is also excellent, but none of his
material, either solo or with Gabriel's band, was released until the
mid to late 1970's and later.
> There's a very recent band named "The Moog Cookbook" -
> I saw their "Ye Olde Space Band" CD in a thrift store and took
> a chance - IT IS A RIOT. You gotta check out this interview:
>
> <http://www.synthmuseum.com/mc/index.html>
>
> There's also this link that gives more early synth artists:
>
> <http://bubblegum.uark.edu/moog_cookbook/inspiration.html>
Very enjoyable reading. Thank you very much.
> > I would also like to initiate a discussion on how the
> > electronic sounds on the three Jimi Hendrix Experience
> > studio albums were achieved...
>
> I don't recall any, can you name a Hendrix song or two with
> 'electronic sounds'?
Third Stone From The Sun
Are You Experienced?
EXP
If Six Was Nine
Stars That Play With Laughing Sam's Dice
And The Gods Made Love
> All I remember is all the sounds one can possibly get from
> a strat, amp, and a couple effects boxes.
You're probably right, there most likely are no actual synthesizers on
these songs, but I would still like to know exactly how those sounds
were created. I suppose it was a combination of early foot pedals,
backwards analog tapes, and some studio trickery.
Yeah Moog Cookbook! Roger Manning, aka Meco Eno, is one of my keyboard idols.
He's one of the sole reasons I got into synths and keyboards. His previous band
Jellyfish is my very favorite band and were brilliant songwriters and
musicians. He was also in a band called Imperial Drag which has lots of cool
synth and keys, and he now plays keys for Beck. MC also has a self titled CD
that you should also pick up. Roger has just released a soundtrack to a
nonexistant sequel to to the movie Logan's Run called Logan's Sanctuary. It's
very cool, total 70's sci-fi sounding with Minimoogs galore. Check it out at Cd
Now.
Daniel.
> mg...@earthlink.net wrote:
> >Harvey Gerst <harg...@airmail.net> wrote:
> >> mg...@earthlink.net wrote:
> >>
> >> >LOTHAR was a Theremin (not a human). And the U.S. of A (led by Joe Byrd)
> >> >used something called a Durret synth, and ring modulators.
> >> >
> >> >DS
>
> >> I think a lotta the stuff Joe Byrd used were prototypes made by Tom
> >> Oberheim. I seem to remember him hanging around the U.S. of A. a lot.
> >> Great group - I loved Dorothy's voice.
> >>
> >> Harvey Gerst
>
> >My third record - still have it, along with 5 other copies. The album
> >notes credit "Richard Durrett, instrument design engineer - creator of the
> >DURRETT Electronic Music Synthesizer and Ring Modulator"
>
> What can I say?? I'm getting old - and you're absolutely right. Now
> that you mentioned his full name, I remember it was in fact, Richard
> Durrett. The US of A used my Acoustic Control amplifiers, and I would
> run sound for them whenever they played the Ash Grove.
>
OMYGAWD!!!
You knew them? I bow before you!!!
>Harvey Gerst <harg...@airmail.net> wrote:
>
>> mg...@earthlink.net wrote:
>> >Harvey Gerst <harg...@airmail.net> wrote:
>> >> mg...@earthlink.net wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >LOTHAR was a Theremin (not a human). And the U.S. of A (led by Joe Byrd)
>> >> >used something called a Durret synth, and ring modulators.
>> >> >
>> >> >DS
>>
>> >> I think a lotta the stuff Joe Byrd used were prototypes made by Tom
>> >> Oberheim. I seem to remember him hanging around the U.S. of A. a lot.
>> >> Great group - I loved Dorothy's voice.
>> >>
>> >> Harvey Gerst
>>
>> >My third record - still have it, along with 5 other copies. The album
>> >notes credit "Richard Durrett, instrument design engineer - creator of the
>> >DURRETT Electronic Music Synthesizer and Ring Modulator"
>>
>> What can I say?? I'm getting old - and you're absolutely right. Now
>> that you mentioned his full name, I remember it was in fact, Richard
>> Durrett. The US of A used my Acoustic Control amplifiers, and I would
>> run sound for them whenever they played the Ash Grove.
>>
>
>OMYGAWD!!!
>
>You knew them? I bow before you!!!
Look, just to set the record straight, I have been a very lucky guy,
who just seemed to have a knack for being in the right place at just
the right time, for a lot of my life. I hung out at most of the major
L.A. studios, and I worked at a lot of companies that were in the
music business. Music in L.A. during the 60s was a small community
and everybody knew everybody else, since we were all trying to make
it.
So, yeah, I knew a lot of people who went on to be other people's
gods, and yeah, I did some stuff I got recognized for, but we were all
just hanging out together, having fun. I was into music - all kinds,
so I hung out with folkies, rockers, jazz people, classical musicians,
and studio people, like Doc Seigel, Wally Heider, and Al Schmitt. My
guitar teacher was Barney Kessel - at $5 an hour! He was well known,
but not yet famous. Frank Hamilton (of the Weavers, and now on my
label) was teaching folk guitar in the next room.
Jim McGuinn and I wrote a couple of songs together and he wandered off
to start the Byrds. I got a little more well-known. I worked at JBL
and talked them into letting me design a line of musical instruments
speakers. I got a little more well-known. I helped design some
amplifiers for Acoustic Control and they were well received at the
time. I got a little more well-known. I worked with Harold Rhodes on
the Fender Rhodes piano when Leo and Freddie and Forrest still worked
at Fender. I got a little more well-known.
I helped start a folk rock group called the Men (later known as the
Association) and we turned Dylan on to electric folk. I got a little
more well-known. I helped a group named Sweetwater get their act
together and they became pretty popular. I got a little more
well-known.
I designed the sound systems and ran sound at the Whiskey, the Trip,
the Troubadour, the Ice House, and the Ash Grove, and played there as
well. I got a little more well-known. Sometimes, I'd record jazz on
the weekends at the LightHouse (or at Georgia's in El Monte), so I
hung out with people like Don Ellis, Buddy Childers, Ornette Coleman,
Freddy Gruber, and Charlie Hayden.
At the Ash Grove, it was Flatt and Scruggs, the Kentucky Colonels,
Merle Travis, Bud and Travis, Albert King, US of A, etc. At the
Troubadour, it was Joni, Linda, Buffalo Springfield, the Smothers
Brothers, Jackson Browne, Neil Young, etc. At the Whiskey, it was the
Doors, Janis, Canned Heat, etc. At various coffee houses, it was
Frank Zappa, David Lindley, Hoyt Axton, Dick Rosmini, etc.
At Acoustic, knowing all these people helped get us into the amplifier
business, and make even more new friends, like Hendrix, Jefferson
Airplane, Mike Bloomfield, and a ton of others. I got a little more
well-known.
It was a time in history that will never come again, and I was very
lucky to be a part of it, but that was it - just my dumb luck to be in
the right places at all the right times. I didn't do much of
anything, I just showed up and happened to be there. I don't think I
made any history - I was just there as a witness to it. I hung out
with a lot of great people that went on to be giants, gods, and
legends. Sadly, a lot of them are dead - at far too early an age.
I'm still here - and still lucky, I guess. But don't go bowing to me,
hell I ain't even a "real" pope - I'm just somebody that was damn
lucky to hang out with the people who helped shape the music.
"Busyditch" <bzd...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> >Song: Good Vibrations (Beach Boys, 1966)
> >Synthesizer: Theremin? (Brian Wilson)
>
>
>
Ah, yes- I was about 8 years old when the Moog came out.*sigh*. Switched-On
BACH, POPCORN, etc. Yeah- did anybody mention POPCORN? 1970? Maybe 69, I
forget. Great tunes!
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That track is available on a comp cd called "The Best of Moog: Electronic Pop
Hits from the 60's and 70's." A very cool cd, has Hugo Montenegro, Perrey &
Kingsly, Gil Trythall, First Moog Quartet, Dick Hyman, and more. CD Now has it,
check it out.
Daniel.
Then there was the song that got me listening to music on the radio at
9: the wonderful static and crashing noise from Joe Meek's
groundbreaking _Telstar_ in 1961.
Mike
And remember, the earliest Kraftwerk LPs had NO synths at all on them! At
least that's how I remember it, and I'm sticking to it!
Neworldman
Switched On Bach was made in 1968. At least according to many web
pages, e.g. http://www.synthmuseum.com/mc/
--
Hugo Fernbom
Homepage: http://www.ludat.lth.se/~dat94hfe/
--
>And remember, the earliest Kraftwerk LPs had NO synths at all on them! At
>least that's how I remember it, and I'm sticking to it!
I doubt that, Ralph and Florian were using a Minimoog and a VCS 3
since their "Ralph and Florian" days.
>
>Neworldman
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Still one of my most favorite tracks.
How about synth music at the planetarium? That was almost a religious
experience.
> Dick Hyman had a couple Moog albums in the 60's. One, "Moog; The
> Electric Eclectics of Dick Hyman" is a favorite of mine.
Wow. What a great name! R.N.
Michael Porter wrote in message <396A35B9...@email.sps.mot.com>...
Yeah, that's been covered, you're a little late with that one :) The song's
called Daily Nightly from '67. Another little fact about Micky Dolenz and the
Moog is that when he sold it, he actually sold it to teen idol Bobby Sherman,
easy come easy go I guess.
There was an interview with Robert Moog a few months ago on the NPR program
Fresh Air where he talks about an early Moog related record called The Zodiac
Cosmic Sounds. It's a very interesting interview. You can hear the interview in
real audio at the NPR website, www.npr.org I think, maybe www.npr.gov.
Daniel.
The Moodies (via Mr Pinder) were more in with the Mellotron than
electronics.
>
> Michael Porter wrote in message <396A35B9...@email.sps.mot.com>...
> > Actually, I believe the Monkees were one of the first ones to use a
> >synthesizer on a recording (as frightening as some of you may find it).
> >I'll have to look it up, as to which song it was, and when.
doesn;t Brian Wilson's GOOD VIBRATIONS arrangement predate the monkees?
also Abbey Road... still my benchmark for using a synthesiser AS a
syntheser in a musical arrangement
then there was REFLECTIONS By ummm ... Diana Ross?
do we want to count the score for LAURENCE OF ARABIA?
> The Rolling Stone's "2000 Light Years From Home" used a
> modular Moog.
Back in 1975, on the b-side of my first single "Flame Over Africa", I
recorded an early proto-cyberpunk version of "2000 Light Years From
Home" using a Minimoog and a Maestro Theremin. It also included
throbbing tribal drums with no cymbals and carefully arranged dissonant
female backing vocals.
> I read someplace that one of Bob Moog's people spent a
> couple weeks with Mick to teach him how to use it.
Was this the same modular synthesizer that Mick Jagger is shown playing
in the film "Performance"?
--
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Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
Autonomous American Indian Movement of Pennsylvania
West Virginia Native American Coalition
http://www.infoteam.com/nonprofit/wvnamco
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I thought it was a mellotron. I'm pretty sure that's what Keith said in
his 1971 Rolling Stone interview. Of course, I don't know what a ``modular
Moog'' is, so maybe that's another name for a mellotron.
-- Bob G.
> Actually, I believe the Monkees were one of the first ones to use a
> synthesizer on a recording (as frightening as some of you may find it).
> I'll have to look it up, as to which song it was, and when.
> --
> ---Michael Porter (of GAMBIT)...
Daily Nightly. From Headquarters I think. Featured on the show with a
little music vid of Mickey finger-syncing a IIIP whilst sitting
cross-legged in front of it and wearing a dashiki.
Also, "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" and I think "Because".
But what about the Univox on "Telestar", back in 1962? The only Britsh
#1 on the US charts before the Beatles.
> > > Daily Nightly. From Headquarters I think.
No, it was on "Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones, Ltd."
> > > Featured on the show with a little music vid of Micky
> > > finger-syncing a IIIP whilst sitting cross-legged in
> > > front of it and wearing a dashiki.
> And yes indeedy I'm a Moog fan.
I've owned just about every model of synthesizer Moog ever
manufactured.
> I bought the Monkees box set strictly for the two pics of
> Micky's Moog. Kills me knowing he sold it to Bobby Sherman.
An absolutely revolting development indeed.
> And did you [know] Mark Lindsay had a giant E-mu modular?
Mark Lindsay was probably my first musical role model in my early
teens, and I am also an E-mu collector, having owned the Emulator II+HD
that Trent Reznor used on "Pretty Hate Machine", as well as currently
owning the E-Synth Keyboard and a whole rack full of E-mu modules.
What model did Lindsay own, when did he own it, and which songs from
which albums does it appear on?
--
Todd Tamanend Clark
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Activist
Autonomous American Indian Movement of Pennsylvania
West Virginia Native American Coalition
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-- Leonard Peltier
No model, a modular. Unlike Moog or ARP, E-Mu didn't designate models for
those. Still owns it I think, somewhere up in Montana or Idaho. Records,
who knows?
Sonic VI wrote:
>
> > Actually, I believe the Monkees were one of the first ones to use a
> >synthesizer on a recording (as frightening as some of you may find it).
> >I'll have to look it up, as to which song it was, and when.
>
> Yeah, that's been covered, you're a little late with that one :) The song's
> called Daily Nightly from '67. Another little fact about Micky Dolenz and the
> Moog is that when he sold it, he actually sold it to teen idol Bobby Sherman,
> easy come easy go I guess.
>
> There was an interview with Robert Moog a few months ago on the NPR program
> Fresh Air where he talks about an early Moog related record called The Zodiac
> Cosmic Sounds. It's a very interesting interview. You can hear the interview in
> real audio at the NPR website, www.npr.org I think, maybe www.npr.gov.
>
That must be Mort Garson. I have that record - there's one for
every sign in the zodiac. The music is the same, but the text
is different for each sign. It's pretty fun, though.
--
Kerry
It's under the "Lists" catagory.
Dave
> It's under the "Lists" category.
Now we're getting somewhere.
The factory itself confirms that Micky Dolenz was the first celebrity
to purchase a Moog synthesizer, and that Jimi Hendrix did in fact own
one, too.
I also hope that they have information on that or any other site about
the early Minimoog prototype that was given to Sun Ra.
The Rolling Stones
9-3-68
Model III
901,901A-3,901B-9,903
902-3,904ABC,905,914,984
911-3,911A,912
The Byrds
10-25-68
Model III
901,901A-3,901B-9,903
902-3,904ABC,905,914,984
911-3,911A,912
The Beatles
1-15-69
Model III-P
901,901A-3,901B-9,903
902-3,904ABC,905,914,984
911-3,911A,912
George Harrison
2-27-69
Sequencer Complement
960-2,961-2
Simon & Garfunkel
3-11-69
Model I
901,901A,901B-2,903
902-2,904A,905,907
911-2
George Martin
9-11-69
Custom with Sequencer
901,901A-3,901B-6,903
902-2,904ABC,905,914,984
911-2,911A,912
960,961C,962
Jimi Hendrix
Electric Lady Corporation
11-19-69
Model I with Sequencer
901,901A,901B-2,903A
902-2,904A,907
911-2
960,961
> > Wasn't Switched On Bach by Walter Carlos made in the last 60's or it
> > maybe was early 70's.
>
> Switched On Bach was made in 1968. At least according to many web
> pages, e.g. http://www.synthmuseum.com/mc/
"Spektrum der Wissenschaft" (the German branch of "Scientific
American") confirms this. Unfortunately, no publication date is
printed on our LP.
Bob Gill <bob...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:396BE6A0...@erols.com...
It is indeed a mellotron played by Brain. He also used it on We Love You and
a few aother tunes I think.
Randy wrote:
> here it is: --
> looks like micky was way ahead of everyone else
> e Monkees
> Mickey Dolenz
> 9-15-67
> First Model III-P, Oak
> Cabinets
> 901-2,901A,901B-8,901C,903
> 902-3,904ABC,905,914,984
> 911-3,911A,912
>
You can hear this Moog in several cuts from the Monkee's film "Head".
>
> The Rolling Stones
> 9-3-68
> Model III
> 901,901A-3,901B-9,903
> 902-3,904ABC,905,914,984
> 911-3,911A,912
>
This is the Moog that Jagger used for the soundtrack to the Kenneth Anger
film
"Invocation Of My Demon Brother." It was very primitive; I've seen it
referred to
in several places as a "prototype", which doesn't sound entirely accurate.
I searched that site for indications of when Walter (now Wendy) Carlos got
his/her
first Moog, the one used for "Switched On Bach"; couldn't find it. ELP got
theirs in 1971...
Happy trails!
Walter Five
Walter Five wrote:
>
>
> You can hear this Moog in several cuts from the Monkee's film "Head".
>
The Moog is featured on the "Pisces..." album, nearly a year before Head
was released. That might be a Moog on "Porpoise Song" tho'.
Frodis!
Frodis!
I went and listened closely to the cd at that point and actually I think it is
the Hammond. It's just the interaction of the register they're playing in,
which changes to a higher sound at that point like they're playing on the other
manual maybe, and the Leslie making the wah wah type sound. You can sorta
follow the sound of the Leslie changing to that phasey wah sorta sound back to
a more steady recognizable chorus type sound. There's also a trumpet, or
coronet maybe, playing in the background that adds to the sound a little. In
the Rhino CD of "Head" there are only credits for keyboards and horns, among
the other instuments. No specific mention of the Moog, on any of the tracks. Of
course that doesn't mean it's not there, but if it is it's not obvious, to me
anyway.
Daniel.
What does that have to do with the Porpoise Song?
Frodis wrote:
> Randy wrote:
> >
> > sounds more like a hammond organ to me
> >
> I'm referring to the "wah-wah" sounding instrument during the lines
No, I think you're thinking of the whale song by the Partridge Family.
Daniel.