Need recommendation on a synth for goth/industrial sounds
joe lin
I am looking to buy a new synth that has a lot of good gothic/industrial
sounds to complement my Korg.
Can anyone make any recommendations?
-joe
Richie Bee
R.
joe lin
Richie Bee <ri...@richiebee.ca> wrote in message
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> Your Korg what?
>
> R.
>
>
Torin
like traditional
gloomy goth/industrial (i.e., Ministry, NIN) or is it more modern like techno
(i.e. Front Line
Assembly, KMFDM).
I'd say for the traditional stuff, go with a Korg Wavestation (you can find
them rather frequently
on ebay) and for the more modern sound go with an Access Virus or one of the
Novation machines.
Cheers
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HellPopeHuey
>
>I have a Korg T3.
Since the otherwise dynamite Access & Nord lines are so pricey for many, I'd say
it was still a fair choice between the Roland
JP8000 and the Korg MS2000. They're pretty flexible (The Korg a bit moreso with
its modulation matrix), have vocoder
capability, FX built-in, arpeggiators and can be found for around $600-700 these
days, especially 2nd-hand. Even though the
T3's sequencer has a few limitations, it'd be a great Master for either of these
synths for industrial. They'll both also do some
great FM clangs or grinding distorto-tones, so your chances of finding them
Goth-worthy are good. Go to
www.harmony-central.com and read the user reviews. That should help.
HPHuey
stinky
wrote:
>Hi,
>
> I am looking to buy a new synth that has a lot of good gothic/industrial
>sounds to complement my Korg.
For this kind of music you should at least get a virtual analog synth
and some sort of sampler. While you're at it get some nice distortion
and a tempo syncable multitap delay.
-andré
Josh Brandt
>That all depends on what type of goth/industrial you are doing. Is it more
>like traditional
>gloomy goth/industrial (i.e., Ministry, NIN) or is it more modern like techno
>(i.e. Front Line
>Assembly, KMFDM).
Wow, your view of the history of industrial is... odd.
Josh
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Jdavyd Williams
"joe lin" <josep...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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whatever you decide on, be wary of midi, korg has got a few funny ideas
about bank and patch messages. t3 is a fine instrument for goth, indeed, but
youll need some harsher sounds for industrial. to make things easy i would
say stick to a korg, that way the 2 will understand eachother. try to score
a Z1 on ebay if you can, a fine keyboard indeed.
>
>
MuseSlave
sampler for source material. Truly wonderful heavy gritty grating and
distorted sounds come much more easily and effectively from the sampling of
machinery, etc. than they do from synthesizers, in my opinion.
Bryce Fischer
wrote:
>Hi,
Well.... I in particular love Reaktor. Mainly because of its samlpling
capabilites... With the Grain Cloud stuff, you can really do some
cool, real=time soundscapes.
If you want to stay in the VA genre, then I'd recommend just making a
trip down to your local music store and trying some out. I really
liked the Novation stuff. I also liked the Waldorf Micro Q.
Mind you, the only outboard gear I own are the Alesis QS 6.1 and Korg
ER1. The latter is pretty cool for drum sounds and such. You also
might look for a cheap Kork EA1 for those overused 303-like basses...
--
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I don't like having disks crammed into me...
unless they're Oreos, and then only in the mouth
joe lin
Can you recommend anything for ominous gothic sounds, or tinny eerie sounds?
The guitar player in the band is really into the crunchy sounds. so i am
looking for something to compliment.. just not sure what yet.
kinda hoping for an 88key keyboard so I can use the keyboard for some other
type of outfits down the road..
maybe I should get a controller than some modules..
also, can you recommend some good discs to listen to that has good keyboard
sounds in them?
thanks
joe
HellPopeHuey <hellpo...@subspamgeenyus.com> wrote in message
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Richard Kilpatrick
<josep...@attbi.com> writes
>
>Can you recommend anything for ominous gothic sounds, or tinny eerie sounds?
>The guitar player in the band is really into the crunchy sounds. so i am
>looking for something to compliment.. just not sure what yet.
>
>kinda hoping for an 88key keyboard so I can use the keyboard for some other
>type of outfits down the road..
You have a T3, right? That's basically an M1 with bells and whistles.
You don't want crunchy sounds, you do want 88 keys?
Is it for live, or for MIDI sequencing? If you're going to use MIDI,
avoid the GEM Equinox - lovely machine in many ways and for goth, it's
got some great organs, drawbar simulation etc, but as a MIDI sequencing
device it's a bit odd. Cheap, though.
I had a Korg Trinity Pro X - very nice, you can get them with the MOSS
board and have (almost) a Z1 into the bargain - that's the V3 model if
not upgraded. Expensive - around $3,000 though I've seen them for much
less - but worth every penny.
Otherwise, get a Roland A-80 - the best 88-key master keyboard ever made
- and look for cheap old analogue synths. I have an Akai AX73 that I use
almost constantly, yet it's one of the cheapest synths I own - cost me
£84 off eBay.
Unless you're die-hard-traditional, don't pay silly money for Moogs and
such. Yes, they sound lovely if you know what you're doing - even a
Rogue has a certain something - but they're expensive for what they are.
Names end up costing - a good contrast again, the AX73 is almost
identical - is identical in terms of CEM chips - to the Sequential
Sixtrak. Yet the Sequential goes for considerably more. On the strength
of mine I'd also recommend the AX80 - a nice synth with neat displays by
all accounts, though I've never seen one.
All depends on what you want to spend ;) I think everyone should have a
Wavestation, and I recently broke my own rules and got an Akai sampler -
just an old S1000, but already I've found out why Akai is the industry
standard.
Richard
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Bryce Fischer
wrote:
>Hi.
>
>Can you recommend anything for ominous gothic sounds, or tinny eerie sounds?
>The guitar player in the band is really into the crunchy sounds. so i am
>looking for something to compliment.. just not sure what yet.
Well... As per my previous post, I like to use Reaktor for that.
Jdavyd Williams
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or both.
i would heavily reccomend ensoniqs eps 16+ or asr10.
Jdavyd Williams
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and if you use a computer, theres bitcrusher. totally one of the best things
that steinberg has ever released.
name withheld
Richard Kilpatrick <ric...@dmc12.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> All depends on what you want to spend ;) I think everyone should have a
> Wavestation, and I recently broke my own rules and got an Akai sampler -
> just an old S1000, but already I've found out why Akai is the industry
> standard.
akai's rule... sampled drums kick holes in the walls coming out of an s1000.
i'd punt the wavestation and find a prophet-vs rack, you'll be a lot happier.
other industrial synths:
minimoog
oberheim xpander
k2000 (blow akai banks into it and apply SHAPE MOD OSC)
waldorf microwave, once you've heard it clip you'll see why.
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Richard Kilpatrick
withheld <plus...@fission.net> writes
>akai's rule... sampled drums kick holes in the walls coming out of an s1000.
I need some sampled drums. Or at the very least, to rake through my
disks and find some. So far it's been used for TI electronic voice
samples ;) If I could trigger the S1000 from my Inpulse One, then I'll
be happy :)
>i'd punt the wavestation and find a prophet-vs rack, you'll be a lot happier.
Yeah. Right. Prophet VS. And I'll just replace my Korg M1 with a PPG
Wave 2.3 with Waveterm, too... My A/D wasn't expensive ;)
>other industrial synths:
>minimoog
Expensive, though.
>waldorf microwave, once you've heard it clip you'll see why.
These are getting cheap. For me, I've already got stuff that can do that
kind of thing...
Mr Q. Z. Diablo
<ric...@dmc12.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <plus_37db-1F2E8...@corp.supernews.com>, name
> withheld <plus...@fission.net> writes
> >akai's rule... sampled drums kick holes in the walls coming out of an
> >s1000.
>
> I need some sampled drums. Or at the very least, to rake through my
> disks and find some. So far it's been used for TI electronic voice
> samples ;) If I could trigger the S1000 from my Inpulse One, then I'll
> be happy :)
I've got a g*th drum kit but it's in ASR-10 format. A coupla Linn
kicks, some 909, some big, fat snares, miscellaneous resonant blips and
bloops and some definitely cheesy hihats. I might be able to extract it
for you if you want to e-mail me but you'd have to do the keymap
yourself.
Not fun on an S1000, if my limited experience of the beastie is anything
to go by.
> >i'd punt the wavestation and find a prophet-vs rack, you'll be a lot
> >happier.
>
> Yeah. Right. Prophet VS. And I'll just replace my Korg M1 with a PPG
> Wave 2.3 with Waveterm, too... My A/D wasn't expensive ;)
You were lucky, then. Anyways, it's not a bad synth for eerie pad
sounds and pseudo-industrial clinks and clanks.
> >other industrial synths:
> >minimoog
>
> Expensive, though.
Big old load of bollocks, too. I wouldn't be _given_ a Minimoog. I
prefer something with actual modulation routings. If I'm going to pay
that kind of money, I'll have a Matrix 6 and spend the change on booze.
> >waldorf microwave, once you've heard it clip you'll see why.
>
> These are getting cheap. For me, I've already got stuff that can do that
> kind of thing...
I haven't seen one on sale for ages. I might have a poke around.
Mr Q. Z. D.
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bob nerkul
<plus...@fission.net> wrote:
>In article <OMfSoUA4...@dmc12.demon.co.uk>,
> Richard Kilpatrick <ric...@dmc12.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> All depends on what you want to spend ;) I think everyone should have a
>> Wavestation, and I recently broke my own rules and got an Akai sampler -
>> just an old S1000, but already I've found out why Akai is the industry
>> standard.
>
>akai's rule... sampled drums kick holes in the walls coming out of an s1000.
>
>i'd punt the wavestation and find a prophet-vs rack, you'll be a lot happier.
>
>
>other industrial synths:
>minimoog
>oberheim xpander
>k2000 (blow akai banks into it and apply SHAPE MOD OSC)
>waldorf microwave, once you've heard it clip you'll see why.
Also Kawai K5, with the added bonus that they're by far the cheapest
synth widely available secondhand.
nerkul
AvIDD
> >Can you recommend anything for ominous gothic sounds, or tinny eerie sounds?
I know that the Korg DW8000 is good for that sort of thing, although I'm not too
sure how much manipulation of the original sound was done (I heard it used on a
Children of Elektronix album and it sounded great, but I couldn't find the sounds
on the one I own...so I assume something was done to the sound...)
For canned "industrial" sounds that require no manipulation you may as well go with
the old proven classics -
yamaha dx7 and Ensonique vfx -- both used by Front 242
and as everyone else has said - akais - lots and lots of akais...and then go buy
some Industrial sample CDs...
stinky
<js...@virginia.edu> wrote:
>and if you use a computer, theres bitcrusher. totally one of the best things
>that steinberg has ever released.
>
The Sonic Foundry DX distortion is also a very mean waveshaping
distortion plugin.
The electroharmonix Big Muff works well on drummachines.
And of course nothing beats the Sherman Filterbank.
-andré
Richard Kilpatrick
<avi...@fastermail.com> writes
>For canned "industrial" sounds that require no manipulation you may as well go
>with
>the old proven classics -
>yamaha dx7
Effects. And more effects. Did I mention you must use effects with a
DX7?
(actually, this seems to be the forgotten rule of synths for newbies.
Any old synth is going to sound really terrible until it's got some
effects attached to it. DX7s especially).
tetraplan
withheld <plus...@fission.net> wrote:
>In article <OMfSoUA4...@dmc12.demon.co.uk>,
> Richard Kilpatrick <ric...@dmc12.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> All depends on what you want to spend ;) I think everyone should have a
>> Wavestation, and I recently broke my own rules and got an Akai sampler -
>> just an old S1000, but already I've found out why Akai is the industry
>> standard.
>
>akai's rule... sampled drums kick holes in the walls coming out of an s1000.
>
>i'd punt the wavestation and find a prophet-vs rack, you'll be a lot happier.
>
>
>other industrial synths:
>minimoog
>oberheim xpander
>k2000 (blow akai banks into it and apply SHAPE MOD OSC)
>waldorf microwave, once you've heard it clip you'll see why.
Waldorf Pulse
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name withheld
"Mr Q. Z. Diablo" <jona...@zeouane.org.remove.this.it.is.bollocks> wrote:
> In article <c93GkWAZ...@dmc12.demon.co.uk>, Richard Kilpatrick
> <ric...@dmc12.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I might be able to extract it
> for you if you want to e-mail me but you'd have to do the keymap
> yourself.
>
> Not fun on an S1000, if my limited experience of the beastie is anything
> to go by.
if you just wanna do the 1 sample per key thing, its easy with steinberg
recycle...
layout the samples in the order you want em in protools.. bounce to a mono 16bit
file.. import file into recycle.. move the sensitivity slider up one notch..
bang em to the SCSI'ed sampler.. takes about 2 mins, i do this all the time.
for more complicated keymapping you'd have to do it manually or use something
like passport alchemy, which is a pain.
kids are lazy tho. look at what front 242 had to work with for "tyranny >for
you<", i think that cd is mostly emulator II. so all these samplers with a
billion voices and features are bollocks if you ask me... you can find s1000s
for $200 now... and i'd bet they sound better than the new stuff.
> Big old load of bollocks, too. I wouldn't be _given_ a Minimoog. I
> prefer something with actual modulation routings. If I'm going to pay
> that kind of money, I'll have a Matrix 6 and spend the change on booze.
it wont have the moog filter tho...
idano, i got mine for $900 CAD which is about $600 US in 1995 or so, and for
that it was well worth it. add a linntronics MIDI kit for around $300 which
puts glide on a pedal and offers an extra LFO then i'm happy. i would like
oscillator sync for some more buzzy bass sounds, but oh well. you can't have
everything. i agree that i wouldnt probably pay $2200 for one.
another trick for making industrial drums sounds is compression, lots of it.
high ratio long attack, short release... SMACK! ...or start clipping samples to
make them more interesting.. anything with a transformer input sounds amazing
when you overdrive it, especially Neve modules... i just made a bunch of drum
sounds with my r70 overdriving a zvex fuzz factory or EH bigmuff pedal into the
Neve for more crunch... then used the recycle trick to bang a bunch of them into
the sampler. it helps a lot if you start with your own sounds.
i think the key for industrial is just processing everything in weird ways..
then storing all the things that work as samples... its all about the sampler.
name withheld
stinky <andre...@eterra.no> wrote:
> The Sonic Foundry DX distortion is also a very mean waveshaping
> distortion plugin.
never used that, but i quite like the waveshaper in Metasynth.
> The electroharmonix Big Muff works well on drummachines.
agreed.
> And of course nothing beats the Sherman Filterbank.
agreed... *very* cool box.
lets not forget about picking up a used 1/4" tape machine and banging mixes down
to quantegy 456... this adds a certain magic as well.
stinky
<plus...@fission.net> wrote:
>In article <0b7tiu8laemrslpmj...@4ax.com>,
> stinky <andre...@eterra.no> wrote:
>
>> The Sonic Foundry DX distortion is also a very mean waveshaping
>> distortion plugin.
>
>never used that, but i quite like the waveshaper in Metasynth.
>
There are lots of very hard and noisy distortion effects to be had in
software these days, especially if you chain two or three of them
after one another. Excite the source material a bit with som reverb or
chorus and maybe bring it down some with a gate and let it rip.
I don't have the space or money for to many magic boxes so most of our
sound generation work is done on the computers.
-andré
Jdavyd Williams
"Richard Kilpatrick" <ric...@dmc12.demon.co.uk> wrote :
> (actually, this seems to be the forgotten rule of synths for newbies.
> Any old synth is going to sound really terrible until it's got some
> effects attached to it. DX7s especially).
>
which is why we should bybass in favour of the *drumroll*.......... FM7!.
Richard Kilpatrick
<js...@virginia.edu> writes
>
>> (actually, this seems to be the forgotten rule of synths for newbies.
>> Any old synth is going to sound really terrible until it's got some
>> effects attached to it. DX7s especially).
>>
>
>
>which is why we should bybass in favour of the *drumroll*.......... FM7!.
See that drumroll? That occurred between you pressing a key, and the
note playing on your softsynth :)
Richard (okay, they aren't really that bad, but I notice my iMac - which
exceeds required specs by some margin - is laggy).
Miles Bader
> (actually, this seems to be the forgotten rule of synths for newbies.
> Any old synth is going to sound really terrible until it's got some
> effects attached to it. DX7s especially).
There's a local music store that has a Novation `K-station' (which has
built-in effects) and a DX7 attached to a rather hefty amp, with no
effects at all. When I played both, the K-station sounded alright, but
the DX7 sound _really_ great, basically kicking the K-station's ass all
over town -- without effects.
I guess they must have some awesome patches in there...
-Miles
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excellent industrial........use the random patch generator
for dark dirty clangy nasty
Jdavyd Williams
"Richard Kilpatrick" <ric...@dmc12.demon.co.uk> wrote
> See that drumroll? That occurred between you pressing a key, and the
> note playing on your softsynth :)
>
not with me, i forked out for a better soundcard, killed all latency
problems :)
Richard Kilpatrick
<js...@virginia.edu> writes
>not with me, i forked out for a better soundcard, killed all latency
>problems :)
How much was the soundcard?
How much was the softsynth?
How much a nice real one ;)
(Hardware Rules!)
Richard
mr julian
> I've got a g*th drum kit but it's in ASR-10 format. A coupla Linn
> kicks,
It's amazing the places you hear the linn drum.. I've been using linn
samples a bit lately too. makes a nice change from 808/909 drum sounds.
>>>i'd punt the wavestation and find a prophet-vs rack, you'll be a lot
>>>happier.
>>
Find a prophet VS rack?? ..........where?!?!?!?!?!
>>>minimoog
> Big old load of bollocks, too. I wouldn't be _given_ a Minimoog. I
> prefer something with actual modulation routings. If I'm going to pay
> that kind of money, I'll have a Matrix 6 and spend the change on booze.
>
matrix6 is overrated. yeah its got mod routings, but its a pain in the
arse to program. and like has already been said, it doesnt sound
anything like a moog. kinda cool if you want to do spacky acid lines
though. Plus the matrix 6 keyboards are about as reliable as a polymoog.
though you could buy about 5 matrix 6's for the price of one minimoog
these days.. :-P
still QZD, if anyone ever offers you a minimoog, take it, and then get
in touch with my flatmate. He's got a matrix 6R and would swap it for a
minimoog in a nanosecond.
>>>waldorf microwave, once you've heard it clip you'll see why.
>>
>>These are getting cheap. For me, I've already got stuff that can do that
>>kind of thing...
>
>
> I haven't seen one on sale for ages. I might have a poke around.
>
ebay. germany.
I got mine from there about 9 months ago, including shipping, for about
half what I would have paid locally. Plus they're actually commonly for
sale on ebay.de wheras around here they come up maybe once every 6
months. Mine won't ever be one of the ones coming up for sale in
australia, I love it. When you're looking just make sure of one thing -
if you're getting a version 1 microwave you want to make sure its got
the V2.0 operating system.... this adds extra wavesamples/wavetables, etc.
julian