That's my favorite synth, BTW. And Fender Les Paul is my favorite guitar.
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>I was reading the MORPHEUS thread and got thinking about cliched sounds
>put out and the following are my "hatest" sounds...due to over-abuse :-)
># Sound Box
>1. Tine Piano Roland DX-7
>2 Kick Roland 808
>3. Kick Roland 909
>...
M1 PIANO (dont you just hate it?)
Later :)
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Sure do. Also...
M1 - Sax
M1 - "Universe" ( although The Orb would disagree )
M1 - "Pole"
DX7 - Elec. Bass (4?) ( Bronski Beat, Aha, Alan Parsons Project, all *yeuk* )
D50 - "Digital Natives Dancing" ( though I'm sure it sold a few D50s )
U20 - Heavy Metal Guitar ( Gary Clail )
SR-16 - Almost every sound ( 808 State take note )
Quadrasynth - Probably every sound ( not that I dislike Alesis or anything ;-) )
ANY orchestral stabs ( 'specially MT32 types )
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>I was reading the MORPHEUS thread and got thinking about cliched sounds
>put out and the following are my "hatest" sounds...due to over-abuse :-)
># Sound Box
>1. Tine Piano Roland DX-7
>2 Kick Roland 808
>3. Kick Roland 909
>others?
4. Fantasia Roland D-50
5. Soundtrack Roland D-50
6. Digi Nat Dance Roland D-50
7. Intruder FX Roland D-50
8. Piano Korg M1
Fairly easy to find sounds that are used by musicians who have trouble
coming up with their own material. However, it's probably also true that
electronic drum sounds are fairly difficult to program an when one tries to
come up with a purely analog kick sound, they all tend to ape the 808 and
909 (I know - I've done it quite frequently). It seems to me that the
on-board editing on the 909 at least (I've never seen an 808) can guarantee
a fairly different kick sound every time you write.
Also worth noting is the fact that if an instrument becomes a "classic"
then it tends to be used in a certain way by just about everyone. Witness
the patches that I mentioned from the D-50. Hmm...A pretty sorry lot, on
the whole. They sound fairly good but have been flogged pretty much to
death.
Oh, yes, the DX-7 was made by Yamaha, not Roland, but I assume that this
was a mere slip of the fingers on Scott's part...
Jon.
>I was reading the MORPHEUS thread and got thinking about cliched sounds
>put out and the following are my "hatest" sounds...due to over-abuse :-)
>
># Sound Box
>
>1. Tine Piano Roland DX-7
>2 Kick Roland 808
>3. Kick Roland 909
>...
>
Since I'm not in my studio, I forget the patch names, but that TR Synth
Cowbell sound is irritating as hell, as well as the M1 "snap" sound, the
first patch in the ROM bank on the Wavestation (How many commercials are
going to use that one??), and any industrial pipe hit sample *yuk*
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My first choice too. A friend and I use the phrase "DX7 ballad" to describe
any syrupy love song that uses this patch. Too bad, it *was* a nice patch.
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>1. Tine Piano Roland DX-7
>
>Regards Scott.
You mean Yamaha DX-7?
Is this the same piano that's in all the dance club music?
From RuPaul to Rozalla to CeCe Peniston?
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1. Tine Piano Roland DX-7
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Yep.
|Is this the same piano that's in all the dance club music?
|From RuPaul to Rozalla to CeCe Peniston?
Nope. That's the Korg M1 piano sound. The first
grillion times I heard it in "wailing diva" house
I could stand it, but now it makes me want to scream...
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>In article <2mj84m$i...@styx.uwa.edu.au>, sc...@psy.uwa.edu.au (Scott
>Fisher) wrote:
>>1. Tine Piano Roland DX-7
>Oh, yes, the DX-7 was made by Yamaha, not Roland, but I assume that this
>was a mere slip of the fingers on Scott's part...
Mind-slip actually :-) I was thinking in the back of my mind that Roland
seem to feature heavily in the "overabused" stakes. Your comments about
the D-50 brought back a whole bunch of sounds to mind I forgot to mention.
Spark Roland R8
>M1 - Sax
Oh NO how could I forget this disgusting sound :) You'll find it in most
of the 'wannabe' chart music (like lame pop-dance tracks). It really just
makes me skip the track on the cd :)
Later
I hate:
1. the 808 kick, snare, hats and toms (especially the toms) and
the cowbell when they are used in the same pattern (especially in dance
or r&b music)
2. the d-50 pan-flute
3. that "back to life" soul II soul breakbeat
4. any Ace of Base song
5. the M1 drum kit (especially the big snare with that damn ring)
>
>Cheers :')
>
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>I was reading the MORPHEUS thread and got thinking about cliched sounds
>put out and the following are my "hatest" sounds...due to over-abuse :-)
>
># Sound Box
>
>1. Tine Piano Roland DX-7
>2 Kick Roland 808
>3. Kick Roland 909
My votes have to go to:
The primary kick on the Roland R8 (I forget the name)
Wheel from the R8
My justification is that it seems every car company has just recently
discovered the R8 drum machine and they put those same obvious damn
sounds in every commercial.
Also, there's the "whip crack" sound from the M1 drum kit which I
figured was so obvious nobody would ever ever use it in a song but
it's actually on the most recent Dead Can Dance (track Slave Dance).
My vote for the biggest sound rip-off must go, however, to the
GM Credit Card people who stole the signature sound from the
Terminator 2 movie trailer (Bah bahm, bahm ba-bahm in "music speak")
and stuck it at the beginning of their commercial where it completely
fails to fit in with the rest of the "music" for the commercial.
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How about that "whoo, jack, whoo, jack" house drum loop?
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My vote goes to any "orchestra hit" sound (regardless of the synth).
Sampled drum loops are pretty annoying too ("Gee, could this
song be any more monotonous?").
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Absolutely.
What we are dealing with here are most-hated PRESETS on synths. I think that
best defines the argument.
The down side is that more and more synths are aimed at folk who only want
PRESETS ( ie. General MIDI ), hence the trend to talk only about PRESETS.
Most loved sound - that one on the JX10 when you really open up the filter and
excite it via the velocity sense, and also detune the second DCO down an octave
with a really sharp attack and sync-mod to the first.
Second most loved sound - User a-7 on my CZ3000 - a sort of delayed staccato
white-noise thing.
Third most loved sound - a ZZR-1100 at 11,500 rpm.
>In article <2mpv7k$1...@scotty.waldorf-gmbh.de> st...@wegy.waldorf-gmbh.de (Stefan Stenzel) writes:
> |>
> |> others?
> |>
>My vote goes to any "orchestra hit" sound (regardless of the synth).
You mean like in the 3 second commercial for C.B.S. "Hit Hit Hit"?
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|>In article <2mj84m$i...@styx.uwa.edu.au>, sc...@psy.uwa.edu.au (Scott
|>Fisher) wrote:
|>
|>>I was reading the MORPHEUS thread and got thinking about cliched sounds
|>>put out and the following are my "hatest" sounds...due to over-abuse :-)
|>
|>># Sound Box
|>
|>>1. Tine Piano Roland DX-7
|>>2 Kick Roland 808
|>>3. Kick Roland 909
|>
|>>others?
|>
|> 4. Fantasia Roland D-50
|> 5. Soundtrack Roland D-50
|> 6. Digi Nat Dance Roland D-50
|> 7. Intruder FX Roland D-50
|> 8. Piano Korg M1
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9. The Robin-S base line sound.
10. 909 snare, hi hats (any current pop/dance track)
11. EMU shakuflute (Enigma)
12. Ethnic chanting (deep forest)
13. Banging trash can lids (The Goodmen, FKW)
14. Any sample of James Brown (Find someone who hasn't)
Everybody mentions (more or less) synthetic sounds, i.e. sounds not
produced by commonly known instruments (I don't consider the shakuthing
well known). So, why not mention piano, bass, snare drum, etc. These are
surely cliche'd and over-abused...
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> 9. The Robin-S base line sound.
Robin-S has about as much talent as my right shoelace. Everything sounds the
same and everything sucks :( (and the DUMB punters actually buy the shite) :)
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Which loop would that be? The only one that I know that has been used much
is "When The Levee Breaks."
Sorry, not much of a Zepplin fan, so I don't really know a lot about them.
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>Curious,
>Everybody mentions (more or less) synthetic sounds, i.e. sounds not
>produced by commonly known instruments (I don't consider the shakuthing
>well known). So, why not mention piano, bass, snare drum, etc. These are
>surely cliche'd and over-abused...
Yeah, down with the piano. :)
I think he means the drum intro to Rock'n'Roll. Right album anyway.
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15. How about that O1/W "trill up" on the dance drum kit - instantly
recognizable IMHO, though that's probably why I don't hear it in too
many songs.
I think it's a great sound. Anyone know what it was made with?
(I mean that 'poom pom pompom' sound :-)
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: > 9. The Robin-S base line sound.
That would be the Jazz Organ patch in most Yamaha DX series synths. I
have it in my DX-100. It is a cool sound but due to it's abuse it *was* a
cool sound.
: Robin-S has about as much talent as my right shoelace. Everything sounds the
: same and everything sucks :( (and the DUMB punters actually buy the shite) :)
That's because the whole record was done with a DX-7 and a 909 I'm sure.
Not to say you couldn't get a good record with that setup it is just the
cliched ways they used them.
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> what about that damned led-zeppelin drum loop, used by just
>about everybody?
What drum loop are you refering to?
Can you name any song where this drum loop appears?
(Just curious.)
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>What drum loop are you refering to? Can you name any song where this
>drum loop appears? (Just curious.)
It's from "When The Levee Breaks" (the very beginning of the track).
Here's a few places it showed up that I can think of off the top of my
head...
Coldcut - Beats 'n' Pieces
Enigma - Mea Culpa
Ultra Vivid Scene - track 3 on the Special One EP
Lemon Interupt - Minneapolis
and lots and LOTS of dance club tracks...
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>I think it's a great sound. Anyone know what it was made with?
>(I mean that 'poom pom pompom' sound :-)
I'm pretty sure that it's "Solid Bass" on the DX100.
: >I think it's a great sound. Anyone know what it was made with?
: >(I mean that 'poom pom pompom' sound :-)
: I'm pretty sure that it's "Solid Bass" on the DX100.
: Jon Drukman jdrukman%dls...@oracle.com
No Jon it is the Jazz Organ patch on the DX100. I have since renamed mine
Robin S. :)
the drum loop in question was used<either a copy or a sample> in
two recent songs, one by tori amos<that god song> and one by enigma..
also in the themesong for an msdos game, zone66. The beastie boys also
used it.. these are the only ones i can think of right now...
Do you perhaps remember the name of the Enigma song?
I happen to have their latest album (Cross of changes), and
I'm not the least surprised you'd mention Enigma.
I've already recognized two other 'stolen' drum loops on the
album.
The second song on the album (don't remember the name) has a
drum loop I recognized from Peter Gabriel's album 'Us', the
song 'Kiss the frog' (Or was it called 'Jump in the water'?),
and the third song (You've probably all heard 'Return to innocence')
has a drum loop also heard on 'Damn, I wish I was your lover' by
Sophie B. Hawkins.
But, you might already know that.
Regards
Jan "Electrosonic Cowboy" Erlandsen
> |>> what about that damned led-zeppelin drum loop, used by just
> |>>about everybody?
> |>
> |>Which loop would that be? The only one that I know that has been used much
> |>is "When The Levee Breaks."
> I think he means the drum intro to Rock'n'Roll. Right album anyway.
I think whoever said "When the levee breaks" was right, off the top of my
head I know that it's been used by Siouxsie and the Banshees, Chapterhouse,
Headless Chickens, Enigma and Sophie B. Hawkins.
Cheers!
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They also sample some U2 (long falseto notes "OOOOOoooooo") in
that song. I believe the U2 song is "light my way".
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Twas I who said that. I first heard reference to that track when Roland Orzabel
was being interviewed by "Home & Studio Recording." The topic of discussion
was the production of Tears For Fears album "Elemental", in particular the
song "Fish Out Of Water" (a lovely slam of his former collaborator, Curt
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When asked where the inspiration for the drums on that track came from, he
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that song, so I borrowed a friends Led Zeppelin 4 and listened to it. It
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