Difference between B3 and C3?
Alan W. Verostick
Hello,
A local music store has these beautiful instruments for sale and I was
wondering what the difference is between the Hammond C3 and B3 organs
besides the cosmetics and the price (They're asking $1600 for the C3
w/pedals and Leslie 122 and $6000 for the B3 w/Leslie 122 and pedals).
As far as I can tell, they both sound the same, so why the hugh
difference in price?
Anyone?
Thanks for reading...
Alan V.
David M. Stowell
On Thu, 01 May 1997 17:58:25 -0400, "Alan W. Verostick"
<al...@Tradewind.Net> wrote:
>A local music store has these beautiful instruments for sale and I was
>wondering what the difference is between the Hammond C3 and B3 organs
>besides the cosmetics and the price (They're asking $1600 for the C3
>w/pedals and Leslie 122 and $6000 for the B3 w/Leslie 122 and pedals).
>As far as I can tell, they both sound the same, so why the hugh
>difference in price?
At least as I recall, there is no difference in electronics between
the two. Assuming you don't have to move it and it's in good
condition, I'd get the C3. No clue about price difference.
Note that the C3 is what Eddie Jobson and Keith Emerson both played. I
think Rick Wakeman used a B3, but I'm not sure.
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Raven (David M. Stowell)
<ra...@mcs.net>
Jeff Conlin
> (They're asking $1600 for the C3
> w/pedals and Leslie 122 and $6000 for the B3 w/Leslie 122 and pedals).
> As far as I can tell, they both sound the same, so why the hugh
> difference in price?
There is absolutely no difference between the C3 and B3 other than the
woodwork. Originally, the B3's were a small bit cheaper than the C3's,
so they were a bit more popular. Now, people who know very little about
Hammonds think that the B3/122 is the only "true" Hammond of value.
They're WAY wrong.
Grab that C3, my friend. Enjoy it to the fullest! Then, if you can, go
back to the music store and laugh away at the poor sucker who buys the
*$6000* B3.
Best of luck!
--
Jeff Conlin, Baltimore, MD (jco...@gl.umbc.edu)
Hammond CV - Hammond XB-2 - Leslie 860 - Hammond DR20 cabinet
Robert Hrubes
The ONLY difference between the B-3 and C-3 is the cabinet. The price
premium for the B-3 simply reflects the fact that, for whatever quirk of
fate, everyone knows about and wants a B-3 while the C-3 (and A-100)
labor along in relative obscurity. Offer $1200 on the C-3.
Marzzz
Absolutely!! The interesting thing is, Keith Emerson, Rick Wakeman, and
Eddie Jobson all tended to use C3's in their setups over B3's. Only
difference is the wood.....
RainmanJ
You are all incorrect. The C3 is lacking the percussion that the B has.
J.
Mike Kent
> A local music store has these beautiful instruments for sale and I was
> wondering what the difference is between the Hammond C3 and B3 organs
> As far as I can tell, they both sound the same, so why the hugh
> difference in price?
I'm not an expert on Hammond models. But as far as I know, the C-3 is
identical to the B-3 in all except the cabinet. The C-3 was made with a
cabinet more suitable for some churches tastes. The B-3 is more portable
(yeah right...) and is the famous model. But the huge price difference
seems unreasonable.
Mike.
dlon...@concentric.net
percussion on the C3. There may also be slight differences in the
vibrato circuits- I know there are differences between the A100 and the
B3 vibrato. There is a cool web site with the nuances of all the
Hammonds at http://wcbi.com/organs/hammond/.
Dan
Larry Hendry
NOT TRUE. The B3 and C3 are electrically identical in every way. Only the
cabinet was different.
The C3 does indeed have harmonic percussion.
dlon...@concentric.net wrote in article <336E9A...@concentric.net>...
> As another poster noted, there is one big difference- no harmonic
> percussion on the C3. There may also be slight differences in the
> vibrato circuits-
>There is a cool web site with the nuances of all the
Malte Rogacki
In article <19970505172...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, RainmanJ
writes:
>
> You are all incorrect. The C3 is lacking the percussion that the B has.
You are incorrect. It does *not* lack percussion.
The models without percussion would be the B2 and respectively the C2 (and
RT2). The C3, B3, RT3 and A100 have the same basic electronic innards (and
the RT3 and A100 a few additional things).
There's a large Hammond FAQ on the net; just do a search for it
--
Malte Rogacki ga...@sax.sax.de
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Malte Rogacki
In article <01bc59b0$20b54cc0$6929...@larryh.sheridan.org>, "Larry Hendry"
writes:
> > Absolutely!! The interesting thing is, Keith Emerson, Rick Wakeman,
and
> > Eddie Jobson all tended to use C3's in their setups over B3's. Only
> > difference is the wood.....
>
> Don't forget Jon Lord used the C3 also (although he had a few mods). To
> point out the identical nature of the internals, I find it interesting
> that Hammond used the same series of serial numbers for both B3 and C3.
> They don't know for sure how many of each they made, only the total.
Another reason for many British players using the C3 over the B3 was that
apparently more C3's than B3's were sold in Europe. You have to keep in
mind that a certain number of instruments were built in European factories;
maybe they focused more on the C3?
Marzzz
>>You are all incorrect. The C3 is lacking the percussion that the B
has.<<
No, the C3 most definitely has percussion.
Larry Hendry
Marzzz <mar...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19970505113...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> >>The ONLY difference between the B-3 and C-3 is the cabinet. The price
> premium for the B-3 simply reflects the fact that, for whatever quirk of
> fate, everyone knows about and wants a B-3 while the C-3 (and A-100)
> labor along in relative obscurity. Offer $1200 on the C-3.<<
>
mathias thallmayer
RainmanJ (rain...@aol.com) wrote:
>You are all incorrect. The C3 is lacking the percussion that the B has.
If you're so sure, back it up with some bucks.
How about this? Buy a C3 and if has percussion then you have to give it to me.
--
Mathias
icono...@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu
Mike Kent
> You are all incorrect. The C3 is lacking the percussion that the B has.
I had two C3s. It was a long time ago, but I remember that both had
perscussion. Am I wrong? Or does the B-3 have different percussion from
the C-3?
Larry Hendry
Mike Kent <mike...@pacificrim.net> wrote in article
<mikekent-070...@whatcom-ppp9.pacificrim.net>...
> I had two C3s. It was a long time ago, but I remember that both had
> perscussion. Am I wrong? Or does the B-3 have different percussion from
> the C-3?
Mike you are 100% correct. The B3 and C3 are electrically identical.
dlon...@concentric.net
percussion. Unfortunately, I've only ever owned an L series and an M
series, tho' I played a B3 for a few years that a band mate owned. More
recently I've been the portable route with a Rhodes VK1000 and a
Leslie. Much easier on the back!!
Dan
Peter J. Volpe
Ahh... the lovely Hammond organs. This thread brings back a pleasant but
frustrating memory. I used to play the organ at my church for Sunday
services. We had a C3 with a Hammond speaker cabinet. Not a Leslie, but it
still sounded good. I would stay late after mass and jam out the 70's rock
tunes on the church organ. :-)
My parish recently built a new church, and they installed a pipe organ into
it. The pastor told me that he would give me the Hammond organ that they no
longer needed, or at least he'd sell it to me really cheap.
However, this was at the same time I went away to college. And when I came
home for summer vacation, they had already gotten rid of the organ.
I was so dissappointed!
I know that this has nothing to do with the thread. But I just wanted to
vent my frustrations to a couple of fellow Hammond-philes.
Incidentally, I have played both a C3 and a B3, and they are indeed
electronically and mechanically identical. While neither is easily
portable, the C3 is truly a piece of furniture! It's huge and heavy.
The B3 sits on legs instead of a full cabinet.
When I have my own house, I'll definitely have to buy a C3 and refinish the
wood.
Peter V.
Linda Dachtyl
Jeff Conlin wrote:
>Now, people who know very little about
> Hammonds think that the B3/122 is the only "true" Hammond of value.
Let them keep thinking that!!
Linda
Linda Dachtyl
Alan W. Verostick wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> A local music store has these beautiful instruments for sale and I was
> wondering what the difference is between the Hammond C3 and B3 organs
> besides the cosmetics and the price (They're asking $1600 for the C3
> w/pedals and Leslie 122 and $6000 for the B3 w/Leslie 122 and pedals).
> As far as I can tell, they both sound the same, so why the hugh
> difference in price?
>
>
> Thanks for reading...
>
> Alan V.
The only difference is the cabinet. I believe the C3 is a bit heavier,
but what the heck?
Linda
Paul W. Zablotski
There is NO DIFFERENCE between the B-3 and C-3, save the cabinet. There
is a very good Hammond mailing list that probably has archives on the
Web. Sorry, I don't remember the address, but their FAQ would probably
answer all of your questions.
PZ
On Wed, 7 May 1997, Mike Kent wrote:
> > You are all incorrect. The C3 is lacking the percussion that the B has.
>
> I had two C3s. It was a long time ago, but I remember that both had
> perscussion. Am I wrong? Or does the B-3 have different percussion from
> the C-3?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
Paul Zablotski aq...@freenet.buffalo.edu
Juan Montoya Jimenez
>
>
>
The only difference is that C3 sounds a little sharper than B3. If my
memory serves, it's exactly one semitone sharper. But if you want my
opinion, i prefer F4# to both of them.
Cheers :))))
Juan
Larry Hendry
Cute... :) took me a couple of secs to catch on though. I thihnk it was
the 3rd model # that did it for me.
Juan Montoya Jimenez <fau...@cc.csic.es> wrote in article
<3378B0...@cc.csic.es>...
Aaron Radder
i think the only difference between the b3 and c3 is the way it looks...
the sound is exactly the same.
Progbear
OK all, here's the deal. The B3 and C3 (as well as the A-100, I think)
are all electronically the same. Only the cabinets are different, so if
you see a C-3 for a good price, go for it (that is, if it was a home or
church instrument. If it's a road instrument, I'll guarantee you'll end up
paying a lot more in repair bills in the long run.) The L-100 doesn't have
the percussion. Not sure about the M-3. The H-100 has different
(transistorized) percussion. You can't make it sound like "Tarkus", but
you can get some weird effects with it. The X-77 (I think that's what it's
called) is the same as the H-100 in a snazzy metal cabinet (it looks like
a gigantic synth, about twice the size of a CS80).
MIKE
Todd A. Phipps
In article <19970514192...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
prog...@aol.com (Progbear) wrote:
> OK all, here's the deal. The B3 and C3 (as well as the A-100, I think)
> are all electronically the same.
The A-100 had built-in speakers and reverb, 2 12's for organ and an 8" for
'verb. Also there's the RT-3, same as the C-3 but with a full 32-note
concave AGO pedalboard. And the D-100, which was an RT-3 with the guts of
a PR-40 tone cabinet built in (55 watts, 2 15's for bass, one 12 for
treble, one 12 for 'verb).
>Only the cabinets are different, so if
> you see a C-3 for a good price, go for it (that is, if it was a home or
> church instrument. If it's a road instrument, I'll guarantee you'll end up
> paying a lot more in repair bills in the long run.)
It all depends. If it plays and sounds good and the price is right, buy
it. I have a beat-up B-2 (predecessor to B-3, no percussion but has all
other features) that was owned by a circus organist. It has delivered the
goods on quite a few gigs, has a lot of bite. I need to dismantle and
clean it, but it's a killer organ otherwise. If you find a B-2 or C-2
cheap, get it and add a Trek II percussion kit to it. But if you look at
a used Hammond, open it up and look at the nameplate to make sure the
model is indeed what the owner is telling you it is. I once went to see
an $800 "B-2" that turned out to be an M-3 spinet with busted percussion,
worth maybe $50 to me for parts.
>The L-100 doesn't have
> the percussion.
It does indeed have percussion, and you can percuss both the 2nd and 3rds
harmonics. Like all Hammond spinets, the L lacks foldback in the top
octaves and is thinner-sounding than the consoles. I do like my L-100 for
what it is, though my B-3 is my first love... :-)
>Not sure about the M-3.
M-3 has the four percussion tablets like the B-3/C-3/A-100/D-100/RT-3.
>The H-100 has different
> (transistorized) percussion. You can't make it sound like "Tarkus", but
> you can get some weird effects with it. The X-77 (I think that's what it's
> called) is the same as the H-100 in a snazzy metal cabinet (it looks like
> a gigantic synth, about twice the size of a CS80).
>
X-77 and H-100 are entirely different instruments. H-100 is tube/s-s
hybrid with stereo vibrato scanners (and *LOTS* of service problems.) The
X-77 has the same 96-frequency tonewheel generator as the H but with all
solid-state circuitry and all animation provided by the special Leslie
X-77L tone cabinet.
Then there's the X-66, which used a 12-note tone-wheel generator to
generate the top octaves, then used dividers to get the rest of the
frequencies. Very odd, interesting organ, great for theatrical stuff.
> MIKE
TP
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> Larry Hendry wrote:
> >
> > Mike Kent <mike...@pacificrim.net> wrote in article
> > <mikekent-070...@whatcom-ppp9.pacificrim.net>...
> > > I had two C3s. It was a long time ago, but I remember that both had
> > > perscussion. Am I wrong? Or does the B-3 have different percussion from
> > > the C-3?
> >
> > Mike you are 100% correct. The B3 and C3 are electrically identical.
> After checking my facts (FAQS?, I was wrong, the C3 does have the
> percussion. Unfortunately, I've only ever owned an L series and an M
> series, tho' I played a B3 for a few years that a band mate owned. More
> recently I've been the portable route with a Rhodes VK1000 and a
> Leslie. Much easier on the back!!
> Dan
Correct. The differences between the models is cabinet style. I own two
Porta-B's (one is scavenged for parts) and a couple Leslie 147s. But when
I gig I take my JD-800 and RAM card. By de-tuning ocs, punching voices in
and out, and judicious use of the on-board FX its a 40 Pound mutha of a
Hammond substitute. The Hammond pre-set "All Stops Out" ain't much, but
there's plenty of firepower in the JD-800 to build your own!
Alan