Is it possible to tune a melodica?
Lauren the Ravishing
it against a piano which is a little flat.
~ Lauren
Joe Kesselman
> I've been thinking of getting a melodica but I don't know if I can tune
> it against a piano which is a little flat.
Free-reed instruments are less tunable than pianos are.
J. Coon
It is posible to tune the melodica, but more practical to tune the piano.
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> I've been thinking of getting a melodica but I don't know if I can tune
> it against a piano which is a little flat.
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> ~ Lauren
>
weaken them? Don't you know of a piano tuner in your area? Where do you
live? I'm also a piano and ukelele tuner in addition to my many other
accomplishments.
Len Killick
Tuning a melodica is basically the same as tuning an accordeon (just a
very small one), so it's a skilled job and permanent.
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J. Coon
If it is a real cheap melodica and you don't mind replacing it, there
are instructions on how to tune one on the web. It is labor intensive,
so having the piano tuned will be cheaper if you have the job hired out.
I think youcan get a piano tuned for about $75.
Len Killick wrote:
> Tuning a melodica is basically the same as tuning an accordeon (just a
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J. Coon
I forgot to mention that if the piano is out of tune, it might not be
possible to tune to it because all the strings may not have gone flat
the same amount. You could tune to the middle keys and be off on the
keys an octave higher or lower then where you tuned.
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Most melodica's are not really made to be retuned. You need to remove the reeds, FILE them down appropriately to change pitch, replace them in the instument, check them, then remove some of them again to fine tune them.
So, it is possible, but not EASY.
And since you are asking this question, you probably would not have the expertise to file the reeds (I know the answer to the question, but would not feel competent in re-tuning a good quality melodica).
After re-tuning it, you will have a melodica that is flat, so you can
play with your piano until the piano gets even more out of tune or until
you retune it. You would then have a melodica that is out of tune with
everyone.
Tuning your piano would be simpler, I think.
regards,
Craig
Lauren the Ravishing
play the melodica. Oh well, it was an interesting idea.
J. Coon
Who is playing the piano? For a about as much as a tuning,you can get a
cheap electronic keyboard and let the person play something that is in tune.
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> It's not my paino. There's one in the auditorium where I'd probably
> play the melodica. Oh well, it was an interesting idea.
If you're performing professionally, putting a "piano will be properly
tuned before performance" clause into your technical rider is absolutely
standard and reasonable.
If you're playing as an amateur... Get whoever will be playing the
keyboard to beg/borrow/rent a portable keyboard which *is* properly tuned?
Jerry Tierney
OK, the jig is up here. It's a real piano tuner here.
Question 1 Can you play a diatonic accordion?
Question 2 Do you you have somebody practiced who can accompany you?
Question 3 Buy a diatonic box that's 440 to start with?
Question 4 The electric keyboard is a great idea most can tune to
anything. Get one.
The problem here is that Lauren is probably really ravishing and used
to getting her way, and if I were anywhere in her vicinity I would tune
her piano to anything she wanted. I charge $100 to tune wrecks. I have
exploded boxes like this going too fast. You can drag them up a quarter
tone at a time. The harps just give up. It is pretty scary. Some
engineer told me that for every quarter tone you double the force on
the harp. 220 steel strings. $75 if it is in reasonable shape, modern
piano. Probably more than half the pianos in the world are not even
supposed to be tuned to 440. Wasn't even the generally accepted
standard till well after WWII. 435 was much more common.
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Dunno... the last post was so much fun, I thought I'd put this in as
Jerry is already a piano tuner.... why not branch out...
Doc
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johann pascher
Hi, Lauren the Ravishing!
I did reed along as well.
And now after hearing all this I would say give it a try to tune your
instrument if:
You want to do it your self?
Are you used to do some metal work?
Can you take the Instrument a part and assemble it again?
Are you able to use a little file?
I don’t know your Instrument, but I think it must be possible to tune
the reeds without taking them out.
You can go to my tuning page to see how you can tuned the reeds without
taking the reeds out. You would not get a precise tuning any way if you
tune them outside.
You should first get the tuning of the piano.
You may use a software tuner to verify pitch for each tone.
Pianos are tuned to stretched octaves what is unusual on reed instruments.
So check every tone on the piano fist and decide what all tones should
be on your reed Instrument.
Then keep in mind that reed instruments go a bit flat if the are played
with more power.
String instruments tent to go in the other direction.
So it is better to tune your instrument a few cent higher, find this out
in the first place what you would like.
It is easier to tune the reeds lower with a few scratches on the reed
tongues, so tray to be a few cents higher in the first place.
Since you are a musician and if you have some mechanical skills you may
well give it a try. To let it be tuned from a professional tuner my be
not worth the money, but this is also up to you.
Most reed instruments are not tuned very exact in the first place when
the come from the factory, so tuning if done proper will improve sound
quality.
And don’t be frightened that a reed can’t be tuned as often as a string.
If you don’t take of to much material, I would not worry to much abut it.
Best regards, Johann
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But Johann, you are assuming the piano is in tune with itself and
everything just went a bit flat. Most likely that is not the case.
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Jim, Laura is ravishing but she could have a Bb accordion. I bet she
just needs an accompanist like me that can play in that key. Some
pianos are so far out that just have to play a half step down. It has
happened to me 20 times. You wind up playing in the Stevie (Wonder)
keys that the blind players use. A becomes Ab. It is a challenge for a
dumb R&R guy like me.
Hay Ron I went through your site last night, pictures, MP 3's, spent
about an hour, great stuff, you have a great thing going on there. like
watercolor music, real loose and free. Don't let this new technology
that has come into your life, as wonderful as it is, disturb
spontaneity. I have Mac and "Garage Band" which is real intuitive for
once no need for that 500 page manuel. I am about to buy the gizmo ( I
think what you just bought) to get acoustic and guitar signals to
digital signals into my computer. I can't imagine that my Mac isn't
going to explode into a thousand pieces with the first bass run.
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> It's not my paino. There's one in the auditorium where I'd probably
> play the melodica. Oh well, it was an interesting idea.
Maybe you should stay away from places where they can't afford a piano
tuner. I have learned that the hard way, by wasting my time on cheap people
who only cause trouble in the long run. You will find that the stingier
people are, the more trouble they will cause and the more they will cost
you.
Gerd Mayer
Hi Ike, and Johann,
When I played tenor sax and Bb clarinet it was up to me to get in tune. But my accordion was a different matter. How do you tune it for every gig. My guitarrist, and later band leader, Claus and the tenor saxophonist , Milan always needed to tune to my accordion. The temperature, athmosphere and humidity dominated the sound or tuning of my accordion. We all know that, but I thought I would mention it.
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> When I played tenor sax and Bb clarinet it was up to me to get in tune. But
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> guitarrist, and later band leader, Claus and the tenor saxophonist , Milan
> always needed to tune to my accordion. The temperature, athmosphere and
> humidity dominated the sound or tuning of my accordion. We all know that, but
> I thought I would mention it.
They retuned because it's a *lot* easier for them than for you to tune
the squeezebox.
It takes *time* to shorten or thin each reed to change tuning, after all.
Unless you're *very* fast with a fine file, well, there's no point in
starting.
johann pascher
Hi, J Coon!
Yes, the first thing would be the piano is well tuned.
I did understand that this is the case, and Lauren the Ravishing is not
in the position to tune the piano.
Best regards, Johann
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johann pascher
Hi, Gerd!
I am so happy to see your contribution to this subject!
I wish we would just live around the corner, I think I could learn from
you a lot of things!
Yes, you are right that the air temperature and humanity is also to take
into consideration.
Do you know how strongly it contributes?
I don’t play with other fixed pith instruments and the temperature and
humanity do not change too much that it really makes a difference here.
And having to fixed pitch instruments of different families in one band
is anyway problematic. Perhaps this is one of the reasons way we don’t
find more accordions in big concerts. (The all have to get in tune with
the accordion).
Free reed Instruments in combination with the piano is a problem in many
cases.
It is better to have musicians with instruments how can intuitive get in
tune with the accordion.
Best regards, Johann
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J. Coon
On one of our gigs I had to tune the piano at the hall wer played at.
Well, actually I only tuned three or four strings that were causing
problems. It was about a half hour before the gig and it was either do
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Lauren the Ravishing
to get an idea about how easy these things are to tune. It's clear that
the melodica isn't made to retune. I usually play piano with a group of
people on weekends at a local school and thought it would be fun to try
another instrument. I believe they keep the piano tuned to A440 but I'm
not really sure. Now I know to check.
Onto the next question... What do I need to look for in a Melodica? I'm
thinking about getting a new one from Guitar Center or Sam Ash.
"Horner" has come up in a few searches and seems to be the recommended
brand. I'm thinking of getting an alto and spending about $100. I don't
want to play it for ten minutes and have a headache for an hour and I
want it to blend well with guitar and voice, so if it's going to cost
me much more then that, then I'll stick with the piano. What are my
chances?
~ Lauren
Ike Milligan
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The position to tune a piano is holding a tuning "hammer" near the strings.
There are many good books on the subject of how to do it.
Ike Milligan
J. Coon
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Helen P.
Seems to me that a typical tuna produces inferior music -- it's usually
canned, not live.
Personally, I wouldn't pay so much as a "fin" for music out of tuna.
Sardines are better free reed players -- they squeeze in well, and have the
correct key.
BTW, shellfish with fluting are the latest craze around here....
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Jim C
But you didn't look at the pictures I sent
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Those fish are obviously social "bottom feeders", with drugged-out music.
I mean, just look at 'em: they're all strung out!
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You have a point there. The Chickens of the Sea holding them do help
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These aren't quite as fishy, they are for vegitarians, even vegan.
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Jim, I bet half of the people that read your reply do not know what a "fin" is? I do. Shows my age.
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J. Coon
It is sort of like the reason fire engines are red. The story goes
something like this.
Fire engines are red,
Newspapers are red too
Two and two are four
four inches is a foot
a foot is ruler
Queen Elizabeth was a ruler
Queen Elizabeth was a ship
ships sail on the ocean,
fishes live in the ocean
fishes have fins,
the Finns fought the Russians
Rusians are Reds,
Fire Engines are always rushin'
therefore, fire engines are red!
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Jim C
oops the line is
3 x 4 is 12,
12 inches is a foot
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Helen P.
tricky, too).
Yep, I knew when I wrote it that the slang "fin" for money is unknown to
many folks now. Those old gangster films are rather passe these days.
Y'know, the ones with bent-nosed tough guys with nicknames like "Speedo" and
"Charlie the Tuna", who used...
submarine guns.
-- Helen