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Any Suggestions on the best French/Breton/Basque melodeon?

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Richard Williams

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May 27, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/27/99
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Hello All:
I'm new here and have been following the the 'One, Two, Three Rows'
with great interest. However, I
don't want to play either Irish or Cajun. What I'm interested in is
French, Breton, Basque, & Italian traditional diatonic accordion
(melodeon) tunes. I've been struggling along with the Hohner Pokerwork
in
G/D but I'm finding it is a great English Rumpty-tump box but doesn't
have the 'something' that is needed
for the styles that I want to play. I've only been at this for 5 - 6
years and don't have much knowledge of
these boxes. Soooooo...... I was wondering if anyone has any comments
on the best type/key combination
for French, Breton, Basque or Italian Traditional tunes ? I was
originally considering a 3 row D/G/A but
after reading the 'One, Two, Three Rows' thread I think I need a lot
more information. Maybe a C/G 2 1/2
row ? But what do you put in the half row for notes ?
Thanks in advance for any comments............ Lost in a Wonderland of
Keys and Squeeze!


Bill Hodgson

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May 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/28/99
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Standard French Accordeon Diatonique is 3 rows; 10 inner, 11 middle (Do(C)),
12 outer Sol(G)). Scales on middle and outer start at 3rd button from bass
end.

Using french notation press/draw from bass end:
SOL#/SIb, SIb/DO#, Mib/SOL, SOL#/SOL#, SIb/SIb, MIb/DO#, SOL#/SOL, SIb/SOL#,
MIb/SIb, SOL#/DO#.

For LH going down the rows inside first:
F/F f/f A/E am/e Bb/Eb bb/eb
G/C g/c DG d/g B/Ab bm/ab

Extensive use is made of the third puller if available. Some of the cheaper
boxes don't even bother putting thirds in the chords, and a lot of players
tape them up anyway.

Bill Hodgson

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David Cunningham

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May 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/29/99
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Richard Williams wrote in message <374E3D67...@bc.sympatico.ca>...

>Hello All:
> I'm new here and have been following the the 'One, Two, Three Rows'
>with great interest. However, I
>don't want to play either Irish or Cajun. What I'm interested in is
>French, Breton, Basque, & Italian traditional diatonic accordion
>(melodeon) tunes. I've been struggling along with the Hohner Pokerwork
>in
>G/D but I'm finding it is a great English Rumpty-tump box but doesn't
>have the 'something' that is needed
>for the styles that I want to play. I've only been at this for 5 - 6
>years and don't have much knowledge of
>these boxes.

I have been playing D/G for a few years now , and got hooked on French music
from the Cental Massif area - Fredric Paris, Bruno Le Tron etc. Most Brits.
play on the D/G. A few years ago a friend who has been playing French style
melodon for many years said that I really should buy a G/Cso a couple of
years ago I did just that whilst at St. Chartier - a big Castignari Hascy.
G/C a row of accidentals.
Now I can play in the 'smooth' style where appropriate/possible. The
French Castinari agents advertise 2 tunings for these boxes - the factory
standard and 'Bruno le Tron' standard. From the diagrams his tuning is
totally different - even the basses seem up side down!

The first C/G I bought at St. Chartier was a Honer with taped down 3rd's.
This was a good start, but you really need the 3rd. row for the smooth
stuff.


Rory Litonjua

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May 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/29/99
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I've been playing for about a year and a half now, mostly French music (I
have a Frederic Paris book and downloaded many tabs from Bernard Loffet's
page) and I play all of it on a beat up old Lombardi which is, in all
reality, none other than a Hohner Pokerwork. The box is in G/C as is most
of the music. I've found it to be quite versital and even learned to play
Cajun and Tejano stuff on it. I'm about to retire the Lombardi and buy a
new box (also G/C) to replace it as it is out of tune, real loose, and I
don't currently have the time to repair it as it should be.

If you are using the tab to play from, you could still use the D/G box if
you dont mind the key being diferent.

Rory

Richard Williams wrote:

> Hello All:
> I'm new here and have been following the the 'One, Two, Three Rows'
> with great interest. However, I
> don't want to play either Irish or Cajun. What I'm interested in is
> French, Breton, Basque, & Italian traditional diatonic accordion
> (melodeon) tunes. I've been struggling along with the Hohner Pokerwork
> in
> G/D but I'm finding it is a great English Rumpty-tump box but doesn't
> have the 'something' that is needed
> for the styles that I want to play. I've only been at this for 5 - 6
> years and don't have much knowledge of

Pete Nalda

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May 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM5/29/99
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For What it's worth heres my take on the Basque Part.

The type of Button accordion mostly played in the Basque country is
called Trikitixa or "Soinu Txiki". It's a 2 row usually in C/F with
basses that don't change. In a typical bass layout you have the chords
with their respective single notes. CMDmGMFMAMBflatM.

I'd therefore think that for basque music you could get by with a 3 row
GCF, however though since the trikitixa doesn't change in the bass the
players have more of an opportunity to crossplay with the right hand.

Bill Hodgson <bi...@offshoresurveysintl.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> >Hello All:
> > I'm new here and have been following the the 'One, Two, Three Rows'
> >with great interest. However, I
> >don't want to play either Irish or Cajun. What I'm interested in is
> >French, Breton, Basque, & Italian traditional diatonic accordion
> >(melodeon) tunes. I've been struggling along with the Hohner Pokerwork
> >in
> >G/D but I'm finding it is a great English Rumpty-tump box but doesn't
> >have the 'something' that is needed
> >for the styles that I want to play. I've only been at this for 5 - 6
> >years and don't have much knowledge of
> >these boxes. Soooooo...... I was wondering if anyone has any comments
> >on the best type/key combination
> >for French, Breton, Basque or Italian Traditional tunes ? I was
> >originally considering a 3 row D/G/A but
> >after reading the 'One, Two, Three Rows' thread I think I need a lot
> >more information. Maybe a C/G 2 1/2
> >row ? But what do you put in the half row for notes ?
> >Thanks in advance for any comments............ Lost in a Wonderland of
> >Keys and Squeeze!
> >

> Standard French Accordeon Diatonique is 3 rows; 10 inner, 11 middle (Do(C)),
> 12 outer Sol(G)). Scales on middle and outer start at 3rd button from bass
> end.
>
> Using french notation press/draw from bass end:
> SOL#/SIb, SIb/DO#, Mib/SOL, SOL#/SOL#, SIb/SIb, MIb/DO#, SOL#/SOL, SIb/SOL#,
> MIb/SIb, SOL#/DO#.
>
> For LH going down the rows inside first:
> F/F f/f A/E am/e Bb/Eb bb/eb
> G/C g/c DG d/g B/Ab bm/ab
>
> Extensive use is made of the third puller if available. Some of the cheaper
> boxes don't even bother putting thirds in the chords, and a lot of players
> tape them up anyway.
>
> Bill Hodgson
>
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nhcooke

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Jun 3, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/3/99
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I've been playing a Salterelle Tramontane tuned D/G/G# for a year now vary
versitile for English/irish/french
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