Borelli Diatonic Accordian
PETER BARNARD
Does anyone know how I can contact them - preferably by email?
Thanks
Peter Barnard
Jimattheboxofc
>Does anyone know how I can contact them - preferably by email?
Peter,
I do not know for sure but I heard there were some problems with the legality
of the Borelli name - it was made in Italy I think by Menghini but only
marketed in France.
James Keane had two of them a B/C and a C#/D but has now switched to
Weltmeister who is marketing a James Keane model (brand new, expecting them
next week )
I will talk to James later today and see if he has contact info and if indeed
the brand is still available..
Jim C.
http://members.aol.com/jimattheboxofc/
Rucksacks from the small diatonics to the largest P/As on sale NOW...
Hobgoblin Music Crawley
I'm afraid Borelli don't appear to have an e mail
address,however their address can be found at the site of the best French
Folk Festival (IMHO). If you look at www,saintchartier.com/ and then search
for accordions diatonics Borelli's address is there.
cheers Neil
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Jimattheboxofc
do they still market the Borelli in France? -
did you folks ever carry them?
Hobgoblin Music Crawley
As I understand they still market Borelli in France, but I
dont know who deals in them.We have never done them. On a personal note,I
have tried these at St Chartier ff and thought they were pretty average,some
reeds didn't speak very well,I know it was at a festival and lots of people
had tried them but none of the other makes suffered in the same way.
Cheers Neil
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denis rabourdin
Hello,
I know that Paris Accordeon in Paris is selling Borrelli
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Jeff Hildreth
Dear Mr. McRitchie (chief exexcutive pugwash)
Compared to your beloved Hohners..The Borellis must seem marginal.
My understanding is that many of the original (and may still be true)
Borellis were rebadged..reworked Mengascinis...
Alain Mignot is still making and selling the Borelli Brand..
the partners split..so ..who knows what is going on...
I have spoken with Alain and he has some very interesting ideas..
Jeff Hildreth
>
> Dear Jim,
> As I understand they still market Borelli in France,
but I
> dont know who deals in them.We have never done them. On a personal
note,I
> have tried these at St Chartier ff and thought they were pretty
average,some
> reeds didn't speak very well,I know it was at a festival and lots of
people
> had tried them but none of the other makes suffered in the same way.
> Cheers Neil
>
> Jimattheboxofc <jimattheboxofc@a...> wrote in message
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Hi,
Here is address in France :
BORELLI
RUE DU GENERAL LECLERC
21530 ROUVRAY
FRANCE
TEL: (...) 0 3 80 64 82 00
FAX : 0 3 80 64 73 50
M. Alain MIGNOT owner
HPE THIS HELP
Best regards
Daniel PALLESCO
France
Hobgoblin Music Crawley
Beloved Hohners? only kidding, they have their place,just nowhere
near me!.
cheers Neil
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Chris Moran
Dear list,
I, again, agree in with Jeff (Gee, I could play Al Gore in the inevitable
Y2K Election TV Mini-series!) with his assessment that the Borelli, which
Irish maestro James Keane was pictured with on his recordings, is a
re-badged Italian Mengascini. That particular model (the blonde wood,
two-voice) is actually an "Economy" model and is available only with "Super"
reeds, a commercial reed. This may explain this accordion's "subdued" tonal
quality. The manufacturer explained to me that, and I quote, "Super reeds
were good [enough] for beginners".
That model (the blonde wood, two-voice) of Borelli and all of the
Saltarelles which I have ever seen are Italian made with French names.
Maugein (Moh-xhin....soft "j" sound on the second syllable) whose accordions
are seen rarely outside of France is, indeed, a French made accordion. I
believe Hobgoblin still carries them.
All my best,
Chris Moran
THE ERIN BREEZE at http://www.buttonaccordion.com
(909) 624-9609
>From: "Jeff Hildreth" <man...@internetcds.com>
>Dear Mr. McRitchie (chief exexcutive pugwash)
>
>Compared to your beloved Hohners..The Borellis must seem marginal.
>
>My understanding is that many of the original (and may still be true)
>Borellis were rebadged..reworked Mengascinis...
>Alain Mignot is still making and selling the Borelli Brand..
>the partners split..so ..who knows what is going on...
Dennis Steckley
I have two "beloved Hohners" AND two "not so beloved Hohners!"
Dennis Steckley
"For I am possessed of a cat, surpassing in beauty, from whom I take
occasion to bless Almighty God."
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> Dear Jeff ( the shaker king )
> Beloved Hohners? only kidding, they have their place,just
nowhere
> near me!.
> cheers Neil
>
> Jeff Hildreth <man...@internetcds.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Dear Mr. McRitchie (chief exexcutive pugwash)
> >
> > Compared to your beloved Hohners..The Borellis must seem marginal.
> >
> > My understanding is that many of the original (and may still be true)
> > Borellis were rebadged..reworked Mengascinis...
> > Alain Mignot is still making and selling the Borelli Brand..
> > the partners split..so ..who knows what is going on...
> > I have spoken with Alain and he has some very interesting ideas..
> >
> > Jeff Hildreth
> > >
> > > Dear Jim,
> > > As I understand they still market Borelli in France,
> > but I
> > > dont know who deals in them.We have never done them. On a personal
> > note,I
> > > have tried these at St Chartier ff and thought they were pretty
> > average,some
> > > reeds didn't speak very well,I know it was at a festival and lots of
> > people
> > > had tried them but none of the other makes suffered in the same way.
> > > Cheers Neil
> > >
> > > Jimattheboxofc <jimattheboxofc@a...> wrote in message
> > > news:20001114231143.04416.00001138@n...
> > > > Niell,
> > > >
> > > > do they still market the Borelli in France? -
> > > > did you folks ever carry them?
> > > >
> > > > Jim C
> > > > http://members.aol.com/jimattheboxofc/
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Jeff Hildreth
Dear Neil,
(is it true in a previous life you were a pig farmer..or just a rumor)
I've owned lots of button accordions..the only brand so far, that has
never disappointed me was a Hohner...my favorites are pre 1960's
specifically Pokerworks and more specifically Blonde Pokerworks
with leather valving...and "horned" wooden keyboards..
Perhaps my lack of disappointment was that the Hohners deliver...
light weight, fast play, cheap..easy to fix and replace..a sound
all their own with no pretense of being anything but a serviceable
instrument..lots of great music played on Hohners..
I also have owned a Serenellini D/G Cloud (from the venerable
Hobgoblin) I thought this too was an excellent box and stupidly sold
it to buy another prestigious Italian accordeon..my expectations were
high..the price was high and my disappointment was high as well.
(ps ..it was not a Saltrelle..and not purchased from Hobgoblin)
Though I have not owned Saltarelles I have played a few and my opinion
is similar to that of others...spotty..in playability and workmanship
proof of the puddin" ..take a look at the John Williams "tutorial"
on B/C box...and he was at the time a dealer for Salt's ...when he
switched from his Conn III to play the Booby..the bass buttons were
sticking and he even made comment about it ..tacky..tacky tacky..great
advertising..and testifies to the commonality of experiences...
Note that the Salts and Srens are similar..however..the Sren is a Ply
box..and Salts are supposed to be "massif" or solid..and supposedly
the Salts reeds are better..hmmm....Salts others than 5 models
including the Booby and New-age are dural..sorry couple models have
machine reeds..Serenellini (mine was dural and some are coming thru
with better quality hand rectified reeds..ie "tipo a mano"..
Saltarelles are more money for parallel models..not here to make a
call on which is better..however..Saltarelles are made in Italy by a
well known maker ..then massaged by The French then wholesaled to a
dealer, then retailed..one more finger in the pie than other brands..
so is that where the money goes..
Maugein is indeed very French..they are proud that the majority of
their parts are made "in house" and the boxes are well..very French
I like em...but heavier than their Italian counterparts..
Alain Mignot is also in a similar position to Georges Roux on a
smaller scale...that may translate to fewer problems..more custom..
dont know..but still made in Italy
Gaillard..hmm...back ordered for years..expensive,,builds em his
way..few models..tall dollars and seem to attract professionals and
highly monied folk..but know of several that were offed shortly after
receipt..
What the world needs is a reliable builder..high quality..
modest prices....light weight,fast..small..void of embellishment
speaking of that..have you noticed how cheezy the latest Castagnaris
look with that new script and brass plaques and inlaid squares..yuck..
an how bout them there swell looking chromy grilles on the Salts and
specially the Rivage and Solstice....or the brillo pad behind the
Boooby grille..no clue..
Sorry folks...oh...any one have any opinion on the Cairdins??
Jeff H
(alias clueless)
jef...@earthlink.net
>
> Dear Jeff ( the shaker king )
> Beloved Hohners? only kidding, they have their place,just
nowhere
> near me!.
> cheers Neil
To Post a message, send it to: squee...@eGroups.com
Jimattheboxofc
>on B/C box...and he was at the time a dealer for Salt's ...when he
>switched from his Conn III to play the Booby..the bass buttons were
>sticking and he even made comment about it ..tacky..tacky tacky.
Jeff,
I was a bit surprised at that as well --
John should never have released the video like that -- would only take him 5
minutes to correct that sticky button..
Jimattheboxofc
>including the Booby and New-age are dural..sorry >couple models have machine
reeds.
That is not true -- the Nuage and Tara now have hand made reeds.. I dont know
if you are talking about the Irish Bouebe or the little booby -- the IB does
not have hand made reeds but is one of the best values on the market for a 2
voice irish tuned box..
Jimattheboxofc
parts are made "in house" and the >boxes are well..very French I like em...but
heavier than their Italian counterparts..
Jeff,
I had a Maugein Tenor II -- it was a nicely made box - very fancy register
switches (3on a 3 voice) on the back of the keyboard. I was surprised when I
got it that it had Abruzzi hand made reeds as I was led to believe they
manufactured their own reeds.
The one I had was a D/C# -- and I liked it but only one of the voices was
suitable for my style of playing Irish music. You can hear it if you get the
RCA CD - Cherish the Ladies "At home" track 8 opening set with myself on the
Maugein and my daughter Mary on Banjo.
They make a nice box.
Sorry to be replying to this post piecemeal but that is the way my mind works..
Jimattheboxofc
prices....light weight,fast..small..void >of embellishment
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/jimattheboxofc/welt.htm">Weltmeister
Irish-Tuned Accordions</A>
check this page out Jeff, fits your description..
>speaking of that..have you noticed how cheezy the >latest Castagnaris look
with that new script and >brass plaques and inlaid squares..yuck..
I just received a montmartre model -- witht he brass plaque -- i think it is
cool and classy myself..
As the first American Cairdin agent all i can say is I have sold a slew of them
this summer -- own two of them myself and can tell you they are well worth the
money for playing Irish music --
Jim C.
http:members.aol.com/jimattheboxofc/
Jeff Hildreth
Thanks for the update on the Nuage and Tara with handmade reeds...
I know that the Music Room in England was ordering them that way for a
while..glad to see they are now fitted "stock" with hand made
I like the IB..think it is a cool box and like this model some boxes
simply do not need the hand made..
I also think that in many cases A mano vs tipo a mano vs dural etc
is a Coke/Pepsi test at best..
Jeff
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Jimattheboxofc
I agree with your coke - Pepsi regards mano amano and tipo amano -- but i think
you need to do Dr Pepper as well for the Dural reeds..
Hobgoblin Music Crawley
At this rate you will be telling everyone my life story, I can't
remember if I've ever told you things I shouldn't have so I suppose I will
just have to watch this space!.
As I said before Hohners do have their place,they make a great
morris box,however the reasons I dont use one are twofold; firstly I dont
like my fingers dissapearing down a hole,I know you can pad from behind but
even the it's not enough,my fingers work faster than a Hohner enables me to
do comfortably. Secondly I don't like having a percussion instrument built
in,they are so noisy,bearing in mind I play in a band and have to amplify
all you would hear is a constant clacking. John Kirkpatrick loves Hohners
and he may get away with clacking but if you don't have to why have it.
cheers Neil
Jeff Hildreth <man...@internetcds.com> wrote in message
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>
> Dear Neil,
> (is it true in a previous life you were a pig farmer..or just a rumor)
>
> I've owned lots of button accordions..the only brand so far, that has
> never disappointed me was a Hohner...my favorites are pre 1960's
> specifically Pokerworks and more specifically Blonde Pokerworks
> with leather valving...and "horned" wooden keyboards..
> Perhaps my lack of disappointment was that the Hohners deliver...
> light weight, fast play, cheap..easy to fix and replace..a sound
> all their own with no pretense of being anything but a serviceable
> instrument..lots of great music played on Hohners..
>
> I also have owned a Serenellini D/G Cloud (from the venerable
> Hobgoblin) I thought this too was an excellent box and stupidly sold
> it to buy another prestigious Italian accordeon..my expectations were
> high..the price was high and my disappointment was high as well.
> (ps ..it was not a Saltrelle..and not purchased from Hobgoblin)
>
> Though I have not owned Saltarelles I have played a few and my opinion
> is similar to that of others...spotty..in playability and workmanship
> proof of the puddin" ..take a look at the John Williams "tutorial"
> on B/C box...and he was at the time a dealer for Salt's ...when he
> switched from his Conn III to play the Booby..the bass buttons were
> sticking and he even made comment about it ..tacky..tacky tacky..great
> advertising..and testifies to the commonality of experiences...
> Note that the Salts and Srens are similar..however..the Sren is a Ply
> box..and Salts are supposed to be "massif" or solid..and supposedly
> the Salts reeds are better..hmmm....Salts others than 5 models
> including the Booby and New-age are dural..sorry couple models have
> machine reeds..Serenellini (mine was dural and some are coming thru
> with better quality hand rectified reeds..ie "tipo a mano"..
>
> Saltarelles are more money for parallel models..not here to make a
> call on which is better..however..Saltarelles are made in Italy by a
> well known maker ..then massaged by The French then wholesaled to a
> dealer, then retailed..one more finger in the pie than other brands..
> so is that where the money goes..
>
> Maugein is indeed very French..they are proud that the majority of
> their parts are made "in house" and the boxes are well..very French
> I like em...but heavier than their Italian counterparts..
>
> Alain Mignot is also in a similar position to Georges Roux on a
> smaller scale...that may translate to fewer problems..more custom..
> dont know..but still made in Italy
>
> Gaillard..hmm...back ordered for years..expensive,,builds em his
> way..few models..tall dollars and seem to attract professionals and
> highly monied folk..but know of several that were offed shortly after
> receipt..
>
> What the world needs is a reliable builder..high quality..
> modest prices....light weight,fast..small..void of embellishment
> speaking of that..have you noticed how cheezy the latest Castagnaris
> look with that new script and brass plaques and inlaid squares..yuck..
> an how bout them there swell looking chromy grilles on the Salts and
> specially the Rivage and Solstice....or the brillo pad behind the
> Boooby grille..no clue..
>
> Sorry folks...oh...any one have any opinion on the Cairdins??
>
> Jeff H
> (alias clueless)
> jef...@earthlink.net
>
>
> >
> > Dear Jeff ( the shaker king )
> > Beloved Hohners? only kidding, they have their place,just
> nowhere
> > near me!.
> > cheers Neil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Jeff Hildreth
Dear Neil,
Your secret is safe with me : )!!!!
I agree with your assessment of Hohners...but as a "take out" or
"loaner" or practice box I htink they are great.
Castagnari appearance...Used to be elegant and attractive..looks like
they are making a feeble attempt at modernizing..nice try..no cigar
One mans Cheeze is another man's fromage..
Note that each change was also less expensive to produce..
Jeff H
(non PC)
> Dear Jeff
> At this rate you will be telling everyone my life story, I
can't
> remember if I've ever told you things I shouldn't have so I suppose
I will
> just have to watch this space!.
> As I said before Hohners do have their place,they make a
great
> morris box,however the reasons I dont use one are twofold; firstly I
dont
> like my fingers dissapearing down a hole,I know you can pad from
behind but
> even the it's not enough,my fingers work faster than a Hohner
enables me to
> do comfortably. Secondly I don't like having a percussion instrument
built
> in,they are so noisy,bearing in mind I play in a band and have to
amplify
> all you would hear is a constant clacking. John Kirkpatrick loves
Hohners
> and he may get away with clacking but if you don't have to why have
it.
> cheers Neil
>
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> >
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Jeff ( the shaker king )
> > > Beloved Hohners? only kidding, they have their
place,just
> > nowhere
> > > near me!.
> > > cheers Neil
> >
> >
> >
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Mitch Gordon
excellent action, high quality (and consistent), unembellished but nice looking
and sturdily crafted, plus a fair amount of flexibility when you order a custom
model. I think they're just great boxes, based on the ones I've tried. (Both
Jim Coogan and Chris Moran on this newsgroup carry them, at very low prices).
As for Weltmeister, I consider them more of a mass-production outfit. For a
beginner, I think their low-price boxes are an excellent choice (notably the
86W and 86M at about $650). For higher-end boxes, I'm unconvinced so far. I'll
be curious to try out the James Keane signature model at some point, and will
report back, as will, I hope, other folks. I also tried a $1000 or so
Weltmeister model at Cotati with a nice exterior and a reasonably nice action,
but why the loud machine-stamped German reeds??
Mitch Gordon
Guerneville, CA
p.s. I consider the appearance of the Castagnaris anything but cheezy - I think
many of their models are gorgeous myself.
Jeff Hildreth <man...@internetcds.com> wrote...
> What the world needs is a reliable builder..high quality..
> modest prices....light weight,fast..small..void of embellishment
> speaking of that..have you noticed how cheezy the latest Castagnaris
> look with that new script and brass plaques and inlaid squares..yuck..
> an how bout them there swell looking chromy grilles on the Salts and
> specially the Rivage and Solstice....or the brillo pad behind the
> Boooby grille..no clue..
>
> Sorry folks...oh...any one have any opinion on the Cairdins??
>
> Jeff H
> (alias clueless)
Crs smitty
>Dear Neil,
>Your secret is safe with me : )!!!!
>
>I agree with your assessment of Hohners...but as a "take out" or
>"loaner" or practice box I htink they are great.
>
>Castagnari appearance...Used to be elegant and attractive..looks like
>they are making a feeble attempt at modernizing..nice try..no cigar
>One mans Cheeze is another man's fromage..
>Note that each change was also less expensive to produce..
>
>Jeff H
>(non PC)
>
There has been considerable discussion of certain brand names of instruments as
being better than others and I'd like to suggest something other than brand
name as an identifier of the accordion because all manufacturer's make a low
line of instruments as well as a high line of instruments. I personally think
this was a mistake from the beginning as they all tried also to develop brand
loyalty at the same time. What happened to the accordion industry was no
different than what happened to automobile, tool, and appliance manufacturers.
They make one grade of instruments for the professional and another grade for
"home use" (also known as "'very little use") It has progressed to such an
extent with some companies that it literally ruined the name of good
manufacturers who can make a good instrument but choose to concentrate on the
mass market of "home use" items. Anyone who has owned a Hohner Morino or Gola
model understands the difference between these fine instruments and hohner's
low line of instruments which are mass marketed and hence much more ubiquitous
in the world! If these manufacturers wanted brand loyalty I believe they made
the wrong move by making a low line of instruments and marketing them with the
same brand name! The majority of tools mass-marketed in department stores
would cave in quickly if used heavily by a professional. Professionals use
good tools that are not advertised as "professional quality" but really are!
We have gotten so used to advertising lies we really don't recognize them
anymore. Like good restaurants never have to advertise "Fine Food" on their
signs ( the sure sign of a "greasy spoon" restaurant ) - the real professional
tools are not marketed that way. Same goes for automobiles - here in the USA
at least does anyone remember when Cadillac really meant a fine car? Now you
have to ask what "model" are you talking about? Most automobile manufacturers
now make low-line models in all the brand names which I always thought from the
beginning was a mistake as those low-line models gave the brand name a bad
flavor to those who encounter them! Apparently some short-sighted marketing
genius thought of using the brand name to market a line of junk and managed to
get the idea past management in the organization. Anyway I don't think that it
is fair to generalize in such fashion against a manufacturer! they *all* make
junk -- it's where the money is -- a wise man named P.T. Barnum once said " a
fool and his money are soon parted "
So what can we use as a yardstick to measure the quality of an instrument ?
I'm not sure there is something anymore as I know anyone could order and get an
accordion that looks just like their favorite artist's accordion but it
wouldn't be because we have progressed to that degree of "professionalism" in
marketing that we can make "looks" deceiving. Do I sound too cynical - maybe
so but I do believe there is at least some truth in this! I would order a JM
Artist ( that's a Joey Miskulin Model of Baldoni accordion ) from Baldoni
accordions tomorrow if I thought I would get as good a model as Joey himself
has but I know better! First you must achieve that *notoriety* in the
accordion world and *then* you can get that quality of an instrument from
Baldoni (or any other manufacturer for that matter) otherwise you will get an
imitation *look-alike* that only for a short while will satisfy you because it
isn't the "real thing" !!
Just my take on manufacturing in the modern world !!
Ron Smith, Montana Squeezer
Jimattheboxofc
>Weltmeister model at Cotati with a nice exterior and a reasonably nice action,
>but why the loud machine-stamped German reeds??
Mitch,
If you are talking about the model 511 - I have not witnessed their treble
reeds to be any louder than any other box -- If you are talking about a 3 voice
box for $1,000 (retail on the 511 is $1,180.) - are you really looking for
custom handmade reeds?
Jim C.
http:members.aol.com/jimattheboxofc/