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seer...@my-deja.com

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Apr 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/14/00
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Hi,
I know nothing about accordions (learning though) but I just purchased
a LaScala Minuetto for fun. I can't find ANY information on the web
about this maker.
Can anybody tell me anything about this model as far as intended use,
quality, etc? It is a piano accordion with 120 bass buttons, 41 keys,
three voices (bassoon, clarinet, master). It's a very flashy red and
looks good if nothing else...I had to free some sticky keys, but the
parts including the leathers and bellows seem in good shape.
The straps are awfully short which makes me think maybe it's a child or
student model, but I have never before strapped one on. It is fun,
though and I would like to know more about it's history. It came in a
good leather bound hard case.
Don't worry about hurting my feelings if it's a cheap model, I didn't
pay much and seems good enough to learn on at least.
Thanks,
Ron


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Before you buy.

Ike Milligan

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Apr 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/14/00
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I am getting a lot of questions privately about brands, and will quit
answering those. You need to learn to play your accordion well, and will
then be able to tell a good accordion from a common accordion. Every
accordion is a little different, and every player likes one kind vs. another
kind. Once you are a virtuoso, you should be able to afford the best!

--
G. I. Milligan
http://accordiondoc.home.mindspring.com
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Stephen Navoyosky

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<< "Ike Milligan" accord...@mindspring.com
Date: Fri, Apr 14, 2000 12:09
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I am getting a lot of questions privately about brands, and will quit answering
those. You need to learn to play your accordion well, and will then be able to
tell a good accordion from a common accordion. Every accordion is a little
different, and every player likes one kind vs. another kind. Once you are a
virtuoso, you should be able to afford the best! >>

Excellent point! It seems everyone wants the pro instrument even if they're a
beginner.
Rarely do I hear of someone with a driver's permit buying a Rolls Royce first.
They will never truly appreciate the quality.
Just not prudent thinking, but based on other's opinions.

Steve Navoyosky





Saramac

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Apr 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/15/00
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> Once you are a
> virtuoso, you should be able to afford the best! >>

Or get a really well paying job, or win the lottery :)

>
>
> Excellent point! It seems everyone wants the pro instrument even if they're a
> beginner.

I think this applies to any large purchase, be it accordions, cars or furniture:
buy the best thing you can afford.

Sister eX


Stephen Navoyosky

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<< Saramac sar...@teleport.com
Date: Sat, Apr 15, 2000 22:23
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Sister eX
>>

But that wasn't the point. Your statement is sound when it comes to cars and
furniture as those items were commonplace and necessities as you grew and used
them. But a later-in-life commodity like an accordion should be approached
carefully in the beginning to determine if progress will be made, and if so,
the advancement of quality in degrees will allow one to appreciate and seek the
finest quality commensurate with one's skills.

I've experienced young and old students coming in with new top grade
accordions, only to find that they were not really interested, and/or they
viewed the instrument as "commonplace" [one is as good as another]. Their
investment dwindled.

I'm looking at this as a long time teacher and retailer and I found it to be
very true. I blame the retailer and/or teacher of the person for encouraging
the high sale for monetary gain, rather than assisting with concern.

Steve Navoyosky





William.Daum

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Apr 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/16/00
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Hi Ron,

Congratulations on your purchase of an accordion. I will apologize for
the rude comments by Ike and Steve. I don't think they read your email
carefully. It seems to me that you need straps and to know if the
instrument is adequate to learn on. There can be a number of things
that you should look for in an instrument. Is it in tune, are the
bellows tight, etc., etc. Then if all things are right about the
instrument, you can proceed to learn. However since you don't know much
about accordions, you will have to get some help. This is somewhat
dependent on where you live and if you can take the accordion to a
knowledgeable person for an opinion. I would recommend that you do this
if possible. You might let us know where you live and maybe we can
steer you to the person you need.

I stand at 180 degrees opposite of these two guys when it comes to
learning on an instrument. I also have many pretty successful years of
experience in teaching of playing and making of instruments. There is a
school of thought that goes back 100's of years that one can never have
too good an instrument to learn on. The idea that people learn to care
for an instrument and then you get them a good one is not in my book.
Some people take good care of things and some don't and it does not have
a lot to do with if they are virtuosos or not. It has to do with their
personal habits and there are virtuosos who are slobs and amateurs that
are fastidious. I'd rather see a plethora of fine instruments out there
than so many cheap junky ones as there are.

A fine instrument with tight quick sounding reeds, tight bellows, good
action and tone will help any student a lot more than any old thing off
Ebay or what ever.

Fine instruments do get sold on Ebay, but a beginner can spend a lot of
money before they get one. Luck will play a big part in this. But the
beginner is better off to go to a reputable dealer to find a good
instrument, even if they have to pay more. My own value system is such
that I will drive an old car and invest thousands in a beautiful
instrument rather than the other way around. I get a lot more happiness
out of the instrument. Fine instruments are usually a good investment
for many reasons, the first and most important is the satisfaction that
you get playing them, whether you are a beginner or not. I believe one
should always get the finest you can afford. I sold a lot of Ramirez
guitars to beginners and everyone who bought one from me years ago had
the pleasure of owning one of the finest and they all were in a position
to make money if they ever sold the instrument.

There are so many used accordions around from the 60's and 70's that you
should never buy one unless it is in excellent condition. Fixer uppers
should be spurned as they usually take more time and effort to bring
them up to snuff than they are worth. Leave these for the
dealer/repairers if they want them. Stay away from mustiness as you
will smell the dreadful odor every time you play it and it usually means
internal problems anyway.

I'm saying all this least newbies get put off by put downs. I am a
pilot and I remember years ago visiting a retiring American Airline
pilot. My wife asked the man something about how airplanes fly and the
man gave her a very careful well thought out explanation. Not for a
minute did he seem impatient about her question or roll his eyes (like I
imagine some of this news group "oracles" do). When I flew with him he
was a wonderfully smooth pilot and I wish that I could get a dose of his
smoothness and love of what he did for some of the abrasive
personalities that hang out on this news group. He had a lot of class,
some of these guys have none. Believe me I've seen plenty of nerds
around airports too. It's disgusting.

Good luck with your new instrument, if the instrument is good, then all
it takes is practice and a good teacher if you can find one.

Regards,
William

seer...@my-deja.com

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Apr 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/17/00
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Actually, I appreciate all the comments and take no offense. I just
picked this up locally for a price I could not get hurt on to learn
what the accordion was all about and if I wanted to pursue it.
The controversy about student vs pro models is not new to me, so I'll
add some fuel in a general way. When I learned the sax, I rented a
student model which was fine, but I didn't know the difference. After
a while, my instructor let me play his and suddenly I did know the
difference. I knew I didn't want to play that rental again. I bought
the best used "pro" model I could afford and still have it.
With this and my experiences with buying acoustic and electric guitars,
I know that any student new to an instrument can get quickly bored or
discouraged if their instrument is problematic in any way, difficult to
keep in tune, has poor action, etc. The right instrument is also quite
personal and has to feel right. What has worked for me is to first
determine if you are even serious by borrowing or renting, then get
expert help in buying a good quality instrument which will last you a
while until you have the experience to get the perfect instrument for
you.
I'm old enough that I feel comfortable taking a chance now and then and
I like to learn things on my own, even if sometimes it's also the hard
way. I also like to take things apart and see how they work and fix
them when possible, but I don't want to experiment on something
valuable either.
Anyway, thanks for the comments.
Now if someone could tell me something about LaScala. It must either
be too awful to talk about or just not very well known. It's okay, I
can take it...
Thanks,
Ron

In article <38FA2B19...@ashland.baysat.net>,

bme...@my-deja.com

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Apr 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/17/00
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In article <8ddplo$73g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

seer...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Actually, I appreciate all the comments and take no offense. I
just picked this up locally for a price I could not get hurt on to learn
what the accordion was all about and if I wanted to pursue it.

Now if someone could tell me something about LaScala. It must


either be too awful to talk about or just not very well known. It's
okay, I can take it...
> Thanks,
> Ron

Hi Ron,

In answer to your question, check out Wendy Morrisons's book.

http://www.hmtrad.com/wendy/sbx-list.html

If you don't see your accordion on Wendy's page, chances are, it
was either an obscure brand unto itself, or a student/beginner
model from a "known builder" which had been renamed and sold
through discount channels either here or abroad.

It's dollar value will be commensurate with the amount of
enjoyment you receive from it.

Have Fun,
Bruce

bme...@my-deja.com

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Apr 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/17/00
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In article <8ddplo$73g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
seer...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Actually, I appreciate all the comments and take no offense. I
just picked this up locally for a price I could not get hurt on to learn
what the accordion was all about and if I wanted to pursue it.

Now if someone could tell me something about LaScala. It must


either be too awful to talk about or just not very well known. It's
okay, I can take it...
> Thanks,
> Ron

Hi Ron,

In answer to your question, check out Wendy Morrisons's book.

http://www.hmtrad.com/wendy/sbx-list.html

If you don't see your accordion on Wendy's page, chances are, it
was either an obscure brand unto itself, or a student/beginner
model from a "known builder" which had been renamed and sold
through discount channels either here or abroad.

It's dollar value will be commensurate with the amount of
enjoyment you receive from it.

Have Fun,
Bruce


srbarete

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Apr 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/21/00
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William.Daum wrote to Ron:

> Congratulations on your purchase of an accordion. I will apologize for

> the rude comments by Ike and Steve. ... It seems to me that you need


> straps and to know if the instrument is adequate to learn on. There can be
> a number of things
> that you should look for in an instrument. Is it in tune, are the
> bellows tight, etc., etc. Then if all things are right about the
> instrument, you can proceed to learn. However since you don't know much

> about accordions, you will have to get some help. ...You might let us know
> where you live and maybe we can steer you to the person you need. ...I


> stand at 180 degrees opposite of these two guys when it comes to learning
> on an instrument. I also have many pretty successful years of experience

> in teaching of playing and making of instruments. ... Fine instruments do


> get sold on Ebay, but a beginner can spend a lot of

> money before they get one. ... My own value system is such that I will


> drive an old car and invest thousands in a beautiful instrument rather than
> the other way around. I get a lot more happiness out of the instrument.
> Fine instruments are usually a good investment for many reasons, the first
> and most important is the satisfaction that
> you get playing them, whether you are a beginner or not. I believe one

> should always get the finest you can afford. ... There are so many used


> accordions around from the 60's and 70's that you should never buy one
> unless it is in excellent condition. Fixer uppers should be spurned as
> they usually take more time and effort to bring them up to snuff than they

> are worth. ... I'm saying all this least newbies get put off by put
> downs. ... Not for a minute did he seem impatient about her question or
> roll his eyes (like I imagine some of this news group "oracles" do). ...He


> had a lot of class,

> some of these guys have none. ... It's disgusting...

Hello all,

For quite awhile now, I have been reading various well-delivered and
superficially effective responses from Will to other members of the NG
(especially newbies) and I think this one finally pushed me over the edge of
tolerance.

Will, you come on to the group as if you are an expert at things accordion -
giving advice as though it was coming from a wise old accordion sage. Don't
you think it's time you came clean with the group?

I cannot let this charade continue without comment. Will pretends to be an
accordion repair technician and now intimates to the group, in the above
post, that he is an accordion builder. If you read his posts carefully, he
has never actually said he is a repairer and builder of accordions, but he
does imply this by his very carefull constructed wording.

In fact, Will is a luthier, or professes to be. I've never actually seen any
of his instruments.

Will does not play the accordion. His daughters and wife are rank beginners.
What he knows about playing accordion family instruments, he has learned by
listening to his family members learn at the book 1 level (maybe book 2 level
now). I don't believe he has indeed ever had a lesson from an accordion
teacher.

What he knows about the construction and repair of the accordion, he has
learned by reading posts on this NG.

And now, he professes to have an informed opinion about what to buy, about
the instrument's construction, value and state of repair, of the
responsiveness of the reeds and from whom one should seek out to have repairs
performed. Without playing any accordion family instrument, one does not
have any basis on which to judge the responsiveness of a reed or keyboard.
Indeed, playing at book one level, one has not learned any of the subtlties
of this instrument. It takes experience and years to gain this type of
knowledge and to belittle those of us who have played for a lifetime by this
type of a sham is intolerable.

Will, with all due respect, stop this game. Don't pretend anymore and please
don't give opinions about things for which you have no practical expertise.

Lynda Griffith,
Certified Accordion Family Instrument Repair Technician
Minnesota

Orest T Lechnowsky

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Apr 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/21/00
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Now wait a minute here....what is the problem? I fail to see it. Is
anything that Will said "wrong"? If so, what is it, exactly, that is
incorrect? It seems to me that all the advice he has offered is general
in nature and follows mostly from common sense....nothing wrong with
that, and a person doesn't need to be an accordion expert to offer
general advice and opinions.
I know next to nothing about guitars and I don't play one, but I can say
with pretty good certainty that when looking for a used guitar, you
should avoid one with a warped neck or soundboard, solid tops are
generally better than plywood, and that good used ones are available on
ebay. Am I wrong to say that?
As far as Will masquerading as an accordion builder/repair tech, we read
what we want to in his comments, don't we? Has he ever lied about what
he does? If we read between the lines of his comments, and do so
incorrectly, who's fault is that?
Last but not least, what is wrong with learning from this newsgroup and
using that knowledge to help others? Isn't this newsgroup all about
learning and sharing? What differance does it make if he is learning
from an accordion teacher or from this newsgroup? There are plenty of
accordion teachers out there who could stand to learn a thing or two on
this list as well. There are plenty of people on this list who have
absorbed a lot of knowledge from reading the postings (for, the ones who
haven't, I question the purpose of wasting your time reading this list),
digested it, synthesized it, and regurgitated it in a form that is useful
to themselves or to others. If that is what you are accusing Will of
doing, then I say "more power to him!"
He did not say, "Tell me where you are and I will steer you in the right
direction". He DID say "You might let us know where you live and maybe
we can steer you to the person you need." That seems a perfectly
acceptable offering of the newsgroup's collective help.
Lynda said "...to belittle those of us who have played for a lifetime
by this type of a sham is intolerable." Who is being belittled? In the
post below, the only people mentioned by Will were called out for rude
comments. It doesn't take a lifetime accordion expert to recognize a
rude comment. Whether he is right about the comment being rude is
another matter which each individual reader can decide for themselves. I
pass no judgement on that whatsoever. IMHO, there IS some belittling
behaviour going on here, but it is that we are being told that someone on
this list is too inexperienced and too much of a beginner to offer any
sort of advice or opinion, and that anybody who isn't "qualified" has
nothing to contribute to the discussion at hand. Maybe we should ask for
a resume and curriculum vitae from everybody before they are allowed to
contribute....that ought to make for a fascinating, vibrant and diverse
newsgroup.
Maybe we could institute a rule that only Certified Accordion Repair
Technicians can answer repair questions, only degreed (like a masters or
Phd from an accredited school) accordion historians can answer questions
on antique instruments, only accredited accordion teachers can answer
questions on learning to play, only lifetime players can comment on the
proper way to play, and only jazz players can answer questions pertaining
to chords and theory. The rest of us will just sit back and read and
shut up and keep our stupid opinions to our selves. Whaddya say gang,
doesn't that sound like fun? I'm pumped!

Orest

PS this is kind of like a new topic, I say we schedule it in for the last
half of April every year. Is that spot still open on our calendar of
rants?

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Dennis Steckley

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Lynda, I must say (gently and nicely) that I lean more toward Orest's
viewpoint. I am not an expert at playing or repairing or any of the free
reed family. But I have learned tons of information from this newsgroup and
from the instruments I have purchased. I don't try to deceive anyone, but I
always felt I was doing people a favor in responding to their messages,
especially when no one else was. We have some true experienced experts on
the group of course, but we are all busy people and if I can give a decent
answer to basic newbie questions, then the experts can cover the tougher
areas and things of more personal interest to them. I don't think that's
such a bad thing.

But having more or less agreed with Orest, Lynda, please know that I
appreciate your contributions to the group!

Dennis S.


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>Now wait a minute here....what is the problem? I fail to see it. Is
> anything that Will said "wrong"? If so, what is it, exactly, that is
> incorrect? It seems to me that all the advice he has offered is general
> in nature and follows mostly from common sense....nothing wrong with
> that, and a person doesn't need to be an accordion expert to offer
> general advice and opinions.

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srbarete

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Dennis Steckley wrote:
Lynda, I must say (gently and nicely) that I lean more toward Orest's
viewpoint.

Orest T Lechnowsky wrote:
Now wait a minute here....what is the problem?

Hello Orest, Dennis and all,

Thank you for your replies. I'm not out to argue with anyone about this. I have
prior and personal knowledge of Will's behavior and expertise. In my opinion he was
leading the group to think that he is something I know he is not. I wanted to point
this out before someone trusted in his knowledge and abilities.

What someone doesn't say is often just as important as what the person does say.
Will has alluded to his expertise and knowledge of the accordion family of
instruments and given advice in the past as if he really does have years of
experience behind him. He does not. I have read him quoted by other NG members as
an expert.

Will wrote, "...I also have many pretty successful years of experience in teaching
of playing and making of instruments..." What he did not say, conveniently, is that
he does not teach accordion, he does not play accordion and he does not make
accordions, yet he implies this by his choice of words. What he (supposedly)
**does** make is lute's. We are afterall, a squeezebox NG, not a lute NG. Readers
of this NG assume that we are all writing about squeezeboxes, not lutes. He then
goes on to offer advice about "fine" accordions. Someone who does not play
accordions and someone who does not have any knowledge of accordions should not be
offering opinions to anyone about what a "fine" accordion is.

Chromatic accordions have been ranked in the following categories:
Beginner:
reduced pitches in treble and bass sections
1 or 2 reed-banks in treble
no shifts
low quality reeds (machine made)
minimum bellows folds (about 3/4" deep)
rough construction, few details
Advanced:
may be full-sized instrument
2 or 3 treble reed banks, or maybe 3 or 4 bass reed banks
few shifts
low-medium quality reeds (uneven responses)
limited dynamic range
minimum bellows folds (about 3/4" deep)
rough construction, few details
slow action, noisy machine
Professional:
usually full-size
4/5 reed banks
12+7 shifts
medium to fine reeds (hand-finished)
larger rivet-heads
wider dynamic range
more bellows folds (about 1" deep)
detailed reinforced construction
medium to fast action, reduced machine noise
all pitches respond at about 30 mm/Ws
Fine:
usually full-size
4/5 or 5/5 to 5/8 reed banks
near-maximum shifts
convertor or free bass
wide dynamic range
all pitches respond at about 20mm/Ws
full-size rivet heads, hand-set
maximum bellows folds (about 1" deep)
detailed, reinforced construction
super-fast action, much reduced reduced machine noise
more perfect and unique reed-plate and tongue sizes per pitch
overtones are clear and pleasing
super low basses
predictable/reliable and even partial-depression of key control
World Class:
incrementally more and better than fine
all pitches respond at about 10mm/Ws

These categories are based on very definite criteria, as you can see above. Someone
who cannot play accordionat even a book one level will not have the touch required
to appreciate the subtlties of a "fine" accordion. Will would not even know what a
fine accordion is, by definition, but for the list of criteria provided above.

> As far as Will masquerading as an accordion builder/repair tech, we read
> what we want to in his comments, don't we? Has he ever lied about what
> he does? If we read between the lines of his comments, and do so
> incorrectly, who's fault is that?

It's his fault when he deliberately leads you in that direction. We are talking
about integrity and honesty. There is potential harm that comes from advice
distributed by the uninformed, as if it were expert advice. I would think that the
members of this group are choosey about finding a repair technician for their
instruments. If someone purports to be an expert and does harm by poor advice, then
that is a problem. Will didn't say anything wrong, but he did lead the group to
think that he is something he is not - this is what I take issue with. It's
possible that someone in the group has not read my warning post and now has set in
his/her mind that Will is an expert - a teacher and builder and may believe most
anything Will writes in the future, either publically on the NG or in private
emails. This is a problem.

That I know better and do not expose the ruse, would be a disservice to the NG.

> Lynda said "...to belittle those of us who have played for a lifetime
> by this type of a sham is intolerable." Who is being belittled?

When someone without even basic rudimentary skills and knowledge purports to be an
expert in the face of people who have spent a lifetime studying the accordion,
developing and honing their skills - this cheapens the real expert's craft and
skill.

When amateurs share ideas and techniques with full disclosure that they are
amateurs, then I have no quarrel.

There is a definite difference of style and intent in these two situations.

Best regards,

Toby Hanson

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Apr 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM4/22/00
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In article <20000421.08365...@juno.com>, Orest T Lechnowsky
<or...@juno.com> wrote:

>PS this is kind of like a new topic, I say we schedule it in for the last
>half of April every year. Is that spot still open on our calendar of
>rants?

I think we can *squeeze* it in somewhere...

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Lugene DiJoseph

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I know I may be a bit late on this as I am just starting to catch up
on some old mail and past postings that I have put aside to
read later...but I am really surprised at the negativity thats some
people bring into this wonderful newsgroup...and sometimes it
is way out of line. Orest, what a gentleman you are in taking a
stand and worded in a reasonable and humorous way. I am also
surprised at the lack of other responses to this kind of slash and
burn to the ground slandering towards William or anyone else in
this newsgroup. There is no need for me to say too much more
than Orest has already said...except that some people need to
know that you don't HAVE to be "certified" or "lifetime" anything to
speak here...as long as what is being said is true and
reasonable and spoken as one would speak in a public forum.
WE ALL COME HERE FROM DIFFERENT PLACES IN
LIFE...WITH DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS, EXPERIENCES,
EXPERTISE, OUTLOOKS AND VIEWS. .....all of us love the
accordion/squeezebox/bellowsdrivenfreereedthingie/concertina..
..@%$&**%.....and we ALL...I say ALLLLLLL...have something to
offer....wether it be humor, support, knowledge, friendship,
musicianship. You "certified" people need not publically ridicule
those who are willing to help (as long as what they are saying is
reasonable and true which it was!)...and should keep your
personal dirty underwear out of this public forum. It is out of line
to drag families into this...no matter what the story. And for your
information, I have never even looked at a "book 1" and have not
been a lifetime player and still can play like a run away train...and
will not stand for any "certified" windbag to tell me that I am not a
valid player. BUT I have a great love and respect for the
instrument...along with a great love and respect for the lifetime
players and masters and classical players and instrument
repairers....that's why I'm here...to catch the vibe and learn
something from those of you who are lifetimers and masters at
what you do.
I am not just speaking for William...although if I were him...I'd be
pretty upset. I'm speaking for anyone here who is tired of this
"certified" power crap being tossed through the fan here. As
Orest said, one reads what one wants to read here and as long
as it's reasonable, who cares what "certifications" one
posseses. What may have been in better taste for the "certified"
people is to respond to the original posting by EXPANDING the
answer with your lifetime "certified" knowledge and let the
slandering go.
You may be a "certified" accordion repair technician, but you will
never get your hands on MY accordion with an attitude like THAT.
Thank you Orest for your good vibe,
Thanks William for helping others when they asked,
Thanks newsgroup for being there when I personally needed
you and for listening to me when I was saying something,
Lugene
The Bluegrass Accordion Girl

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>I am not just speaking for William...although if I were him...I'd be
pretty upset. I'm speaking for anyone here who is tired of this
"certified" power crap being tossed through the fan here. As
Orest said, one reads what one wants to read here and as long
as it's reasonable, who cares what "certifications" one
posseses. What may have been in better taste for the "certified"
people is to respond to the original posting by EXPANDING the
answer with your lifetime "certified" knowledge and let the
slandering go.<

A nice point Lugene.
On the same vein.
I had a really nice conversation with Dr. Djorge Gajic at
this weekends UK Accordion championships.
I was showing him the list of adjudicators in the programme, and
mentioned that I felt embarrased at being listed between one
gentleman that had the letters LTCL(perf),LTCL(GMT) LTCL(CMT) A.Mus. TCL
and another with BSC(hons) FLCM,amus TCL,LBCA(TD)ABCA(TD)LBCA.
When mine was plain old ''Gary Blair''.
He said that he felt that the letters were irrelevant and pointed out that
the principle violin teacher and the priciple piano teacher at the Royal
Academy
of music only use their names.
I did feel better after this and then pointed out that I did actually have
letters after
my name.......PIA...........Pain in the Ass! ;-)
BTW Djorde is one of only two Piano Accordionists I know that can actually
hold his
own against the Chromatic players.
A really nice guy to boot.
I asked him why he moved to Glasgow from London to which he replied that it
was
Madonna's fault. It turns out that his Glaswegian wife taught at the
Mennuin school in
london and was teaching Madonna to play Violin for and a new film. Madonna
then
contacted her from LA and asked her to go over and give her some more
tuition.
On arriving in Glasgow on route to LA she received a phone call from
Madonna telling
her that she has walked off the set of the film and is no longer involved.
( she had a fall out
with Wes Craven). So they decided just to stay in Glasgow and not bother
going
back down to London.
Funny old world.
Regards
Gary Blair P.I.A. (Scotland) ;-)

Http://come.to/garyblair

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Thanks Gary...nice story too. Stories are (in my opinion) one of the best
things about this newsgroup...accordion stories. As a journalist, I think
the stories "bring home" our collective loves for the
accordion/squeezemachines.

On the other thread...although I did not respond to you personally, Lynda, I
just wanted to say that your thoughts concerning the squeeze and ideas ARE
top notch and I do highly respect them and are greatful that you take the
time to educate those who ask.
However as a reminder to all in the newsgroup...
(1) personal business needs to be dealt with personally and privately. No
need for public humiliation here.
(2) We all come from different backgrounds and places in life to this one
particular spot on the universe all with the same purpose. It doesnot matter
wether we be bus drivers, computer heads, masters of the squeeze,
carpenters, music teachers,newbie learners, full time pros and jammers,
waitresses, squeezebuilders., tinkerers...as long as what we have to say is
reasonable and true, then our backgrounds can remain annonymous if we chose.
If someone makes a statement you do not agree with, then make the opposing
one and expand it with your knowledge and tell why. We are all very
intelligent people here...and can make up our own minds as to what makes
good sense.
(3) If someone makes a statement...for example...not preferring a particular
teaching method...then please recognize that as an opinion and please offer
YOUR opinion so those of us with intelligent minds can see both sides. They
are just opinions...some opinions are more popular than others...but
opinions nontheless. BTW: I go thru this a LOT being a MACINTOSH lover!! :-)
(4) Keep family members who are not part of the newsgroup out of it.

Gee, can you tell I work with children...their safety being my first
priority?
I love you guys...
Steve...we'll miss you...
Lugene
The Bluegrass Accordin Girl

LUGENE DIJOSEPH

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and one more thing...always try to take the opportunity to say something
positive when that moment comes up!
Lugene


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