Slow-speaking reeds when opening the bellows
Isidro Castineyra
Continental model. It is not a converter. It has three separate rows
of buttons for the free-bass). The lower-pitch left-hand notes are
relatively slow to speak when opening the bellows. When closing the
bellows they are reasonably fast. The bellows are reasonably tight.
I have taken it to a local shop where they did not know if it could be
fixed. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Isidro
fred veenschoten
the bellows can be "opened" easier and more forcefully than in "closing". so
it may be that the reeds in question have been sprung that is to say the
tongue is not in it's proper setting relative to the reed frame. this causes
it to respond more slowly.
Fred
"Isidro Castineyra" <isid...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dbcb95af.01111...@posting.google.com...
Accoal
it's already late evening here in Italy but tomorrow morning I will have a
word with our tuner to knwo what can be done on your instrument
(manufactured by us) , I will let you know then .
Have a nice day !
Alessio
ZERO SETTE Accordion Factory
60022 Castelfidardo - ITALY
Fax : +39 071 7822845
E-mail : ze...@tiscalinet.it
Isidro Castineyra <isid...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Crs smitty
A Giulietti accordion with a free bass is a nice accordion so don't sell it
because of this problem -- or contact me first! ;-)
The reeds can be fixed to speak quickly. Usually it has to do with the "set"
of the reed over the slot in which it moves, but your statement about the
problem being greater on the draw suggests something else is wrong - maybe
leathers being restricted by something or even missing! A good accordion shop
could fix it for you! It's not something you should probably attempt yourself!
Find a good accordion repairman - not just a music store!
Ron Smith, Montana squeezer
w.d.
> >
> >I have taken it to a local shop where they did not know if it could be
> >fixed. Any ideas?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Isidro
> A Giulietti accordion with a free bass is a nice accordion so don't sell it
> because of this problem -- or contact me first! ;-)
> The reeds can be fixed to speak quickly. Usually it has to do with the "set"
> of the reed over the slot in which it moves, but your statement about the
> problem being greater on the draw suggests something else is wrong - maybe
> leathers being restricted by something or even missing! A good accordion shop
> could fix it for you! It's not something you should probably attempt yourself!
> Find a good accordion repairman - not just a music store!
>
> Ron Smith, Montana squeezer
Ron is right! There are very good accordion tecnicians even with
college technical degrees who are involved in accordion repairs part
time or as a hobby after retirement.
The trick to the whole matter is to find very good leads to proper
resources.
Some of these retired wizards are much better technically than those
others who spent lifetime around accordions. These newest accordion
technical wizards know how to fix most difficult problems including
MIDI mulfunctioning, basses and many other things.
The problem stated by Isidoro is simple to fix it, however, it has to
be pinpointed correctly and there might be few compounded problems
that seem to cause one thing but after exact check up seem to be
multiple compounded problems that needed to be repaired one thing
leading to another. However, no person will look at it or give any
definite solutions without certain incentives.
It has been proven that giving mixed suggestions on this forum might
lead to bigger disasters and more extensive accordion repairs. Many
of such accordions are on sale at eBay nowadays.
At East Cost from Boston to Baltimore is very simple way to reach me
by car. Many times I am willing just to help for nothing if solving
of the particular problem do not involves some major prolong
extensive work.
Enjoy it,
W.D.
w.d.
> crss...@aol.com (Crs smitty) wrote in message news:<20011115001945...@mb-cr.aol.com>...
> > >
>
> > >I have taken it to a local shop where they did not know if it could be
> > >fixed. Any ideas?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Isidro
>
> > A Giulietti accordion with a free bass is a nice accordion so don't sell it
> > because of this problem -- or contact me first! ;-)
> > The reeds can be fixed to speak quickly. Usually it has to do with the "set"
> > of the reed over the slot in which it moves, but your statement about the
> > problem being greater on the draw suggests something else is wrong - maybe
> > leathers being restricted by something or even missing! A good accordion shop
> > could fix it for you! It's not something you should probably attempt yourself!
> > Find a good accordion repairman - not just a music store!
> >
> > Ron Smith, Montana squeezer
>
> college technical degrees who are involved in accordion repairs part
> time or as a hobby after retirement.
> The trick to the whole matter is to find very good leads to proper
> resources.
> Some of these retired wizards are much better technically than those
> others who spent lifetime around accordions. These newest accordion
> technical wizards know how to fix most difficult problems including
> MIDI mulfunctioning, basses and many other things.
> The problem stated by Isidoro is simple to fix it, however, it has to
> be pinpointed correctly and there might be few compounded problems
> that seem to cause one thing but after exact check up seem to be
> multiple compounded problems that needed to be repaired one thing
> leading to another. However, no person will look at it or give any
> definite solutions without certain incentives.
> It has been proven that giving mixed suggestions on this forum might
> lead to bigger disasters and more extensive accordion repairs. Many
> of such accordions are on sale at eBay nowadays.
> by car. Many times I am willing just to help for nothing if solving
> of the particular problem do not involves some major prolong
> extensive work.
>
> Enjoy it,
> W.D.
Thanks! Got a couple e-mails already. I am located between
Philadelphia and Atlantic City. Just drop accordion, drive to
Casino in Atlantic City, and pick it up on the way back home. If
you loose all your money and have no payment for the service
-accordion stays.
Play but do not loose your money! Hard core gamblers do not get
discounts or accordions back just for "thank you!"
Enjoy it,
W.D.
w.d.
> I'll give it a shot.
> the bellows can be "opened" easier and more forcefully than in "closing". so
> it may be that the reeds in question have been sprung that is to say the
> tongue is not in it's proper setting relative to the reed frame. this causes
> it to respond more slowly.
> Fred
>
chambers, and if your suggestion is correct, Isidoro would have to
set all these reeds to proper responses himself or aks his repairman
to do the job for him. It would be very costly and time consuming. It
could cost as much as 1/4 - 1/3 of the price he paid for it at eBay.
Since this accordion is very old probably all these reeds have had
their good days for a long time already so Isidoro should be
satisfied with what he has at the moment or order new acordion from
ZeroSette and live happy ever after.
Enjpoy it,
W.D.
Bruce Metras
That's surprising advice from someone who states they have repaired
accordions for years....
That advice might be satisfactory for a cheapie, 40 year old, student, 2
reed accordion that never sounded good even when new.......but NOT for a
Giulietti Continental with some of the finest reeds ever put in an
accordion, bringing it to a qualified tech is warranted...If it were
purchased on ebay (and it makes little difference)....the price paid was
probably less than the worth of *those* reeds alone....
Now to the problem.....as Isidro describes....only low bass notes are
affected and in only one direction.....that means probably *1* reedblock is
the culprit..... a good tech would pull the bellow pins (6) in order to
remove the #1* reedblock (usually a screw and nail secures it).....total
time to this point might be around 10 min.....at this point I would make
sure that the bass reedblocks had not shifted in transit (again assuming an
ebay purchase and delivery by common carrier) a shifted reed block will not
seal properly and all the air available will not make it to the reeds (also
the lowest reed block is the heaviest and most likely to shift).....if the
reedblocks are aligned and sealing properly, then you take the reedblock to
your tuning fixture and test it....testing might take you 10 min if you are
enjoying it, but can be done in much less time.....from your testing you can
determine if you indeed have slow speaking reeds or not.....if the reeds on
the inside of the block need resetting, this can be done without removing
them from the reed block....but....I would probably go ahead and remove and
replace the inner leathers and apply fresh wax while I'm there....and the
chances are good that it will not be all 12 of the reeds on the 1 reed block
that are out of adjustment!!.....but if it were, this job can be done easily
in under 2 hours....back to the tuning fixture to check/adjust and then back
in the accordion for testing....that whole job would take well under 4 hours
(at a leisurely pace) for someone familiar with all aspects of repair, and
at the $30 to $50 per hour figures I see in the SF Bay area, is certainly
affordable and warranted for that very high quality accordion......
As to an old accordion with old reeds, I would venture to say the reeds in
that 30 to 40 year old Giulietti Continental will surpass most anything you
would care to buy in today's market.....regardless of how much you would
care to spend.....
br
Bruce (San Francisco)
w.d.
> W.D.
This message is from Bruce Metras from CA. Ihad to copy it from
Newsgroup and putinto this thred. My computeris very old but yiunger
that that old Giulietti but after my contract expires with IPN I wil
leave you alone. In meanwhile I want to stir up some trouble.
<<<<I disagree with W.D.
That's surprising advice from someone who states they have repaired
accordions for years....>>>>
You are very, very wrong Bruce. I never claimed that I repaired
accordions for years even as a hobby. If you find "my quote stating
that I worked on accordions for years "' I will own you big Thanks
and appology for pointing me in right direction. So far you acting
like you lost someting... may be it was yours Giulietti since you
know so much abou it.
It is true that I I have been involved with fixing accordions that I
bought on eBay or locally as a hobby for less than 3 years but I know
that I am good and lots of other people know that. I also do not have
to fix even one extra accordion in my life. I do it for pleasure and
if there is no pleasure for me I even do not point my finger in that
direction. I reality I don't give a sh.... about accordions of any
kind and problems that these accordions bring to the world.
I play accordions only for my own pleasure and keep it for myown
pleasure and I would never advice anybody to spend their young years
to be good at it.
But I am telling you that I can compete as a fixer with any one in
this NG not because I am so good but because I have good work ethics,
honesty and I would never sell even give away accordion to anybody
without disclosing what is wrong with it or that that thing is not
good enough for me.
<<<<That advice might be satisfactory for a cheapie, 40 year old,
student, 2
reed accordion that never sounded good even when new.......>>>>>
I understand your point. It was not an advice from me, I just
responded to advice of other person that it seem to bethe right
direction from not seeing that accordion..
<<<<<<but NOT for a
Giulietti Continental with some of the finest reeds ever put in an
accordion, bringing it to a qualified tech is warranted...If it were
purchased on ebay (and it makes little difference)....the price paid
was
probably less than the worth of *those* reeds alone....>>>>>
I agree that those reeds were good but it is possible that these reeds
are worned out and have bad rivets and need serious attention. If one
- two reeds are in that situation - more of them are getting very
bad.
<<<<Now to the problem.....as Isidro describes....only low bass notes
are
affected and in only one direction.....that means probably *1*
reedblock is
the culprit.....
I could be or may not be.
Very cheap labor down there. It would be worthwhile to send
accordions to fix there. Down East Coast I heard from many people
that they were charged $80 for installing or rplacing one treble reed.
Above might be very good advice but I don't think that these people -
repairmen did not know what is going on inside accordion. But as for
me I would never take such as a serious job on accordion from eBay.
I am reminding you again that I worked on accordin just like you as a
hobby but I have seen some bad work coming from so called
"professional" shops and I was able to correct it.
<<<<As to an old accordion with old reeds, I would venture to say the
reeds in
that 30 to 40 year old Giulietti Continental will surpass most
anything you
would care to buy in today's market.....regardless of how much you
would
care to spend.....>>>>
It is up to an individual. I do not like the sound of Giulietti reeds
from 1953-54 and I would not pay big money for any Giulietti accordion
from that era. I used only one "professional" Giulietti that I have
been playing on. The one that this discussion goes about it is for
sure very good accordion if it wil be fixed properly.
<<<br
Bruce (San Francisco)>>>>>
So Bruce again, please find my statement from way back - anyplace you
can find - a statement that I worked on accordions for years,
otherwise , I might think that it was your Giulietti that changed
hands and brought above response.
Enjoy it,
W.D.
Bruce Metras
> This message is from Bruce Metras from CA. Ihad to copy it from
> Newsgroup and putinto this thred. My computeris very old but yiunger
> that that old Giulietti but after my contract expires with IPN I wil
> leave you alone. In meanwhile I want to stir up some trouble.
Great!!
I (Bruce) wrote:
I disagree with W.D.
That's surprising advice from someone who states they have repaired
accordions for years....
>W.D writes:
> You are very, very wrong Bruce. I never claimed that I repaired
> accordions for years even as a hobby. If you find "my quote stating
> that I worked on accordions for years "' I will own you big
Ok....here's something from over 3 years ago....Sept 1998....written by you:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3681762315d&hl=en&rnum=8&selm=70ueif%
24asf%241%40nnrp1.dejanews.com
W.D (Walter) writes in 1998:
"I am the new "repairer" but I am the
expert already. Why? Because I think
what I do and I do better job for
myself that my former repairer so "
called expert."
That seems to sum it up....I won't go on with everytime you have mentioned
repair techniques or given repair advice since you made that *statement*,
but suffice to say many, many times.
> W.D. continues:
> Thanks and appology for pointing me in right direction. So far you acting
> like you lost someting... may be it was yours Giulietti since you know so
> much abou it.
Wrongo, wrongo......I have consistantly refused to sell mine, even with
offers over $3k!!....Ask Dan L what it would take to pry his Giulietti out
of his hands....Ask Steve N what they are worth....
> W.D continues:
(snip)
> I reality I don't give a sh.... about accordions of any
> kind and problems that these accordions bring to the world.
That's swell......and if true, then don't give advice to those seeking help!
....or maybe just before giving advice say "I reality I don't give a
sh...about accordions of any kind". That way, those seeking advice will have
a better understanding as to the "giver" of said advice....
I wrote:
> That advice might be satisfactory for a cheapie, 40 year old,
> student, 2 reed accordion that never sounded good even when new.......
> W.D. continues:
> I understand your point. It was not an advice from me, I just
> responded to advice of other person that it seem to bethe right
> direction from not seeing that accordion..
Here is your advice I was initially responding to...
> W.D. wrote:
> Good thinking Fred. Since these tongues are inside bass block
> chambers, and if your suggestion is correct, Isidoro would have to
> set all these reeds to proper responses himself or aks his repairman
> to do the job for him. It would be very costly and time consuming. It
> could cost as much as 1/4 - 1/3 of the price he paid for it at eBay.
> Since this accordion is very old probably all these reeds have had
> their good days for a long time already so Isidoro should be
> satisfied with what he has at the moment or order new acordion from
> ZeroSette and live happy ever after.
What I read from this, is that you, W.D. are advising Isidro to live with
the problem or dump the accordion for a new one because of a "few slow
speaking bass reeds" on the draw....because it would be cost prohibitive to
repair....I merely pointed out that a few "slow speaking low bass reeds" is
something a good repairer can ascertain and probably rectify in short order
and at minimal cost.....and in the case of a Giulietti Continental, would
certainly be warranted..
I wrote:
> but NOT for a Giulietti Continental with some of the finest reeds ever put in
> an accordion, bringing it to a qualified tech is warranted...If it were
> purchased on ebay (and it makes little difference)....the price paid was
> probably less than the worth of *those* reeds alone...
> W.D. wrote:
> I agree that those reeds were good but it is possible that these reeds
> are worned out and have bad rivets and need serious attention. If one
> - two reeds are in that situation - more of them are getting very
> bad.
Sure anything is theoretically possible but your scenario is HIGHLY
unlikely....those bass reeds are double riveted and low note is probably G
....they are oversize and fantastic....and probably only need adjustment...
(large snip)
I wrote:
> As to an old accordion with old reeds, I would venture to say the reeds in
> that 30 to 40 year old Giulietti Continental will surpass most anything you
> would care to buy in today's market.....regardless of how much you would care
> to spend...
> W.D. responded:
> It is up to an individual. I do not like the sound of Giulietti reeds
> from 1953-54 and I would not pay big money for any Giulietti accordion
> from that era.
What does your personal preference to the sound of Giulietti reeds have to
do with anything???....the discussion is what avenue to take to remedy the
complaint of "a few slow speaking low bass notes" on the draw....The fact
remains that a Giulietti Continental is a sought after accordion, worth good
money....and certainly worth fixing a few "slow speaking bass notes" on the
draw....
> W.D requests:
> So Bruce again, please find my statement from way back - anyplace you
> can find - a statement that I worked on accordions for years,
> otherwise , I might think that it was your Giulietti that changed
> hands and brought above response.
Ok.....here you go Walter !!........again from 1998 (almost 3 years ago to
the day), you are disagreeing with and telling Steve Navoyoski (Steve's
Accordion Shop) how to tune reeds ....now that's really humorous to me as
Steve has MADE reeds and studied with Giulietti....the implications seem so
obvious.......:-)))
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=w.d.&start=180&hl=en&group=rec.music.maker
s.squeezebox&rnum=189&selm=71tft2%24qs1%241%40nnrp1.dejanews.com
Oh and Walter....my Giulietti is still not for sale......I may have it
tossed in the coffin with me.....:-))
Bruce (San Francisco)
wjd
Bruce, if you understand that simple American English of mine as a
second language which I learned after age of 25 , there is nothing above
in my statement above that I said that I am repairemr for many
years. It just states in "quotation mark" and you should know what
quotation mark is and what it represents. It simply underlines that I
do not claim to be a professional repairer who worked on accodions for
many years as you tried to say it.
I am just stating that after doing a job at the beginning for myself I
was so proud of myself that I did not need any help from any so called
"professional experts."
I knew it that I am better and I know that I have talent to figure it
out. I asked one time Mr. N. to answer one question and he scolded me
even for asking that because it took him so long to get it in hard way
and I wanted just like that. I admire him for that scold and I think
that he did very good thing for me, however, from that point on any
advice from that direction did not have any meaning for me.
I understand that some people might work on something for years and
they do not know really too much. They are just robots doing the same
thing from day one till they gone. I am different. I think and
experiment and try new things or figure it out in a better way that
somebody might show it to me. That is why I am better than few
people in this NG who are claiming or advertise their services here
to be "professionals."
You yourself Bruce talked and advice people on reeds many times
before and somebody could think that yiu are professional. Well, I
will not search for those past statements anyway. I have no time for
it but this had to be done. It was too much. It coul d be called by
somebody a personal attack. I hope that you do not regret deep down
your mind after so long that you bought accordion from me. It was your
choice anyway and you were proud of it at the time.
I do not need no work from anybody and I do not need to sell any
accordions anymore.
I am here for my pleasure and I am assuriong you and all who reed this
that I will not give any advice whatsoever from now on even if
somebody would pay me $25 for an answering sentence. I do this for my
own pleasure only.
How about that? Only do not accuse me that I said something that do
not exist or interpret my words in such a way that would feet your
scheme of things.
See, anybody, including myself that thinks that this NG exists soleely
for soliciting questions is wrong, however, saying to somebody that
buying new accordion is very good thing. It is very good advice
providing somebody has money to spend on new accordion. Thes old junks
are detrimental to development of accordin industry and inmy opinion
are final death blow to the accordion as a whole, so why not recommend
to somebody a new accordion?
See, I was ready t o buy new Zero Sette four years ago but they
wanted to sell me only Giulietti and I did not wanted it to buy it
because I do not liked Giulietti sound. If you love it, it is fine with
me. I am used to certain sounds and I like that way. Also, I have a
right to state my opinion but you have no right to give
mirespresentation of my postings or bring something that do not
belong to me and never did. Actually, go forward and look for it so
more and be really on a witch hunt. May be you find something but I
will not look nothing on you. It is not worth the trouble. I rather
spend better my time practicing accordion than waste my time on
stupidity like this.
Its really shows me that we are in wrong camps and it would be better
for me to ignore further responses on that topic.
Since you also pointed out to some other WD postings that were from
different group and some other person(s) that was or were using the
same initial as mine of W.D. My name is Walter D. and I prefer to
secure my privacy , and since my name is very long I have been using
W.D., however, please do not accuse me of saying something that I did
not said or use it in conjunction with some other http adress and
postings that are not mine.
I resent something that looks and feels like vendetta and real
fabrication of facts. Well, if you love your Giulietti so much it
might be understandable. Also I do not mix up Mr. N. into this. I
stated once that I and Mr. N. are also in wrong camps and have
different philosophy on learning accordion repairs and nothing more
than that. So let it be the way it is. I will not respond to any more
posting regarding this topic and on further statements from you
whatever they might be.
Enjoy it,
W.D.
Accoal
the last days , anyway I was able to have a word with our tuner and with a
couple of other technicians about your old Giulietti .
Probably the best thing is that some professional technician takes away the
reeds from the reedblock and "forces" a little bit the reed tongue in order
to change its dynamic (a professional repair man will know how) .
It will make the reeds start playing differently and giving a better
response .
In case you have more questions let me know directly .
Have a nice week-end .
Alessio
Bruce Metras
>> W.D (Walter) writes in 1998:
>>
>> "I am the new "repairer" but I am the expert already. Why? Because I think
>> what I do and I do better job for myself that my former repairer so " called
>> expert."
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3681762315d&hl=en&rnum=8&selm=70ueif%
24asf%241%40nnrp1.dejanews.com
> From: wjd <w...@snip.net> Bruce, if you understand that simple American English
> of mine as a second language which I learned after age of 25 , there is
> nothing above in my statement above that I said that I am repairemr for
> many years. It just states in "quotation mark" and you should know what
> quotation mark is and what it represents. It simply underlines that I do not
> claim to be a professional repairer who worked on accodions for many years as
> you tried to say it.
>
No, the point is you were posting that you were "expert" (presumably in
repairs) in 1998 over 3 years ago...so my assumption that you consider
yourself a repairer for years (over 3) (from then 'til now) seems valid...
(snip)
> wjd(w...@snip.net) continues:
>
> I am different. I think and experiment and try new things or figure it out
> in a better way that somebody might show it to me. That is why I am better
> than few people in this NG who are claiming or advertise their services
> here to be "professionals."
>
If the above is so, I would think advice from you would go to the obvious,
to address the probable minor problems of "a few slow speaking bass reeds"
on the draw......not say to live with the problem or buy a new one because
it would be cost prohibitive to attempt repairs...on an accordion like the
Giulietti Continental.....
> wjd(w...@snip.net) continues:
>
> You yourself Bruce talked and advice people on reeds many times before and
> somebody could think that yiu are professional.
>
People could erroneously think that, but over and over again I have claimed
myself as a hobbiest....and in this instance, I was simply disagreeing with
your advice and offering my reasons why....
> wjd(w...@snip.net) continues: I am here for my pleasure and I am assuriong you
> and all who reed this that I will not give any advice whatsoever from now on
> even if somebody would pay me $25 for an answering sentence. I do this for
> my own pleasure only.
>
We are all here for the pleasure of sharing ideas and bantying around
opinions (a forum)...your opinion is as valid as mine or others...again, I
simply disagreed with yours and offered reasons why...
(snip)
> wjd(w...@snip.net) continues:
> It is very good advice providing somebody has money to spend on new
> accordion. Thes old junks are detrimental to development of accordin
> industry and inmy opinion are final death blow to the accordion as a whole,
> so why not recommend to somebody a new accordion?
Nothing wrong with advice to buy a new accordion to replace a junk one, in
this instance, Isidro has a Giulietti Continental which his only concern is
with "a few slow speaking bass reeds" on the draw.....to replace that box
with a comparable 172 bass stradella/freebass system, as new, would be well
over $10k!!....certainly spending up to few hundred to address "a few slow
speaking bass reeds" seems to be warranted and good advice....
(snip)
> wjd(w...@snip.net) continues:
> Since you also pointed out to some other WD postings that were from
> different group and some other person(s) that was or were using the same
> initial as mine of W.D. My name is Walter D. and I prefer to secure my
> privacy , and since my name is very long I have been using W.D., however,
> please do not accuse me of saying something that I did not said or use it
> in conjunction with some other http adress and postings that are not
> mine.
Here it is again, sent to the squeezebox newsgroup (same group) in 1998:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=w.d.&start=180&hl=en&group=rec.music.maker
s.squeezebox&rnum=189&selm=71tft2%24qs1%241%40nnrp1.dejanews.com
it is signed W.D. and is sent from: wjd(w...@snip.net).....if that is not
you, then I apologize, for it is a remarkable coincidence, wouldn't you say!
And again the point, other than being asked by you to provide documentable
information as to your repairing accordions for years, was only to show a
time line....that indeed you have been repairing for "years" (over 3)....
> wjd(w...@snip.net) continues:
> I resent something that looks and feels like vendetta and real fabrication
> of facts.
Sorry you feel that way.....there is no vendetta and no attempt at character
assainations.....and no fabrication....I simply disagreed with your advice
and provided reasons why....
btw.....read what Zero Sette factory representative writes as to the problem
of "a few slow speaking bass notes" on the draw!!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/squeezebox/message/18135
Best Regards,
Bruce (San Francisco)
Joseph Kesselman
and the rest of us don't really need to witness the spat.
Walter now states that he isn't an expert repair technician. Whatever he
said in the past isn't really relevant; let's accept this most recent
statement as our baseline and go on.
Let's refocus on the question on the repair itself.
Slow-speaking reeds can usually be adjusted to improve matters. If it's
a good instrument, that's worth doing. In simple cases, it's sometimes
possible to improve matters yourself if you know what you're doing.
However, if it's a particularly good instrument and/or you don't know,
it's probably worth having it done by a professional; the reeds are a
large part of the instrument's value and you don't really want to do
anything blatently stupid with them.
If there is anyone who disagrees with that summary (and if so, exactly
what point(s) and what do you suggest instead), or are we "agreeing at
the tops of our voices" again?
Bruce Metras
> Could the two of you possibly take it offline? It's turning personal,
> and the rest of us don't really need to witness the spat.
It's over (I think - I hope)....certainly for me....
(snip)
> Let's refocus on the question on the repair itself.
>
> Slow-speaking reeds can usually be adjusted to improve matters. If it's
> a good instrument, that's worth doing. In simple cases, it's sometimes
> possible to improve matters yourself if you know what you're doing.
> However, if it's a particularly good instrument and/or you don't know,
> it's probably worth having it done by a professional; the reeds are a
> large part of the instrument's value and you don't really want to do
> anything blatently stupid with them.
I mentioned that a couple of days ago following on the footsteps of Ron in
Montana who posted similiarly on 11/14....
>
> If there is anyone who disagrees with that summary (and if so, exactly
> what point(s) and what do you suggest instead), or are we "agreeing at
> the tops of our voices" again?
The one other thought that I posted was the possibility of the bass
reedblock having shifted during transit, which might partially block air
flow to some of the reeds....other than that, I disagreed with the advice of
a "repairer" who suggested living with the problem or buying a new
instrument because it would be cost prohibitive to attempt repairs...that
was all......and whispered ever so softly.........
Bruce (San Francisco)
w.d.
> assainations.....and no fabrication....I simply disagreed with your advice
> and provided reasons why....
>
> btw.....read what Zero Sette factory representative writes as to the problem
> of "a few slow speaking bass notes" on the draw!!
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/squeezebox/message/18135
>
> Best Regards,
> Bruce (San Francisco)
slow and does not follow well newest changes, therefore I have to
give this last response.
I know that people have a ball reading all of the above all over the
world but this entertainment will be over on my part.
I just want to say that I have nothing against that you disagree with
me but I feel that nobody in my place would like the way you shoot
from the side without thinking. It is the way you said it first time
created the whole problem. You do not have to say much to get the
painful spot.
See Bruce, accordion has to be not only beautiful outside but inside
components are even more important for the beautiful sound.
I already send in my final posting and I am out of this group.
Farthermore, if you are not able to make connections what Fred said,
what I said and what Alessio said I just feel sorry for you and
there is no point for me to continue my association with this unit if
I would encounter frequent bottles and unthouthful events of
umbarassment in front of the world.. I have nothing out of this and
I live in this great society that values things that I value
muself. Just five years in this group is enough. I served my time
and I am tired of it. I have read and heard many things and this is
the history as far as I am concern.
You might be good in point by point arguments but not good enough to
figure out the logics behind all those postings.
You just don't understand that it is nothing wrong with buying new
accordion. The person do not have to do or follow anything that has
been said here. I remember that long time ago some repairer adviced
people to clean rusty reeds in vingar. Did you do it?
I was a learner and did not know nothjing about it but I tried only
one old reed and found out all about it. Somebody might cleaned whole
set of Giulietti reeds in vinegar but I did not. By the way
Giulietti reeds have problems early on with shifting of rivets. Why?
Becaue Giulietti used different manufacturers to make accordions. I
know that very well. Yours might be fine and Isidoro might be fine so
be it.
Just read again and again what Alessio said and think, think and
think. Do not make own interpretations for anybody. People will
figure that themselves.
He said very shortly, consisely and to the point what the problem is
and if people read Freds advice and my comments they would know who is
correct. I think that you just got PO because your Giulietti would
loose value in case of sale. Sorry for that . I did not know that you
have that kind.
In meanwhile, nobody has to pay attention to my advice. Anyway, thare
will be no more advice from me.
I just have no time for it no more and I am tired of it.
Enjoyit,
W.D.
srbarete
> I have a Giulietti free-bass and stradella accordion. ...The lower-pitch left-hand notes are relatively slow to speak when opening the bellows.... Any ideas?
Hello Isidro,
Your Giuiletti is definitely worth taking it to a qualified
professional repair technician. The supposed repair person you took
it to initially, should have been able to fix the problem if they knew
what they profess to know about fixing accordions. So don't take it
back to that person. It's a nice accordion, so keep it that way.
Since it sounds like you got it from an EBay auction, you have no way
of knowing if it has been serviced properly and regularly. If you
tell me where you are located, perhaps I can give you a name of a
certified and properly trained repair tech who will certainly be able
to take care of this instrument's problems.
Chances are it needs several things. Most importantly, it will likely
need to be thoroughly cleaned. We recommend that an instrument be
cleaned on a yearly basis, just as you regularly service your car. At
the time of cleaning a properly trained and reputable tech will check
out everything and can then tell you what else, if anything, might
need to be done immediately or in the near future, and can help you
prioritize based on your needs and budget.
The cleaning is paramount because if you keep the instrument clean,
the reeds will sound like they should in this instrument. While it is
true that part of the problem might be that the reeds need to be
adjusted relative to the plates, most of that should be taken care of
in a properly conducted routine cleaning.
Bruce's suggestion that the reed blocks may not be proper seated may
have merit under other circumstances, but if the the reed block is
displaced, you should hear a "whooosh" of air along with whatever reed
sounds you hear. Since you hear the outside reeds on the push just
fine, but not the inside reeds on the pull, and since you have not
mentioned the typical air escaping sound, then this is not your
problem.
A proper cleaning from a certified tech should cost you $50-$75 give
or take a bit based on geographic location, etc. Anything else will
cost you extra, based on a set fee per job or on an hourly basis, if
it is more involved.
Best of luck,
Lynda Griffith
Certified Accordion Family Repair Technician
"Look for the certificate on the wall."
Gary Dahl
...I hope you will consider a public "thank you" to Bruce for saving
your ownership of that fine accordion. :)
Bruce, you did a magnificent common sense service for all
accordionists cutting through that verbal upside down gobbledegook!!
LOL!!! I could say more but children might be reading the ng!! LOL!!!!
I imagine you had to have a few drinks to stay sane after that tirade.
whew!!!
watch your Bach :)
gd
Isidro Castineyra
opportunity of playing a new Italian converter accordion (of a
well-considered brand). While its reeds were as fast as one could
expect, I much prefer the sound of the old Giulietti.
Isidro
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w.d.
It is so much fun now that I cannot quit. I look in translation
dictionary for word "tirade" and other invented "gabbles" but there
is no full explaination what that mean.
Isidoro would do better if he sends or takes his accordion to Bay
Area and ask for proper attention. Instead in additoin , let me
thank publicly to Bruce for putting me in right direction. After
all I own Bruce other thanks for buying antique Soprani accordion
from me for the very good price that Bruce could effot as a Ferrari
mechanic. I aslo heard that Bruce has nice accordion workshop better
than me and that Bruce is also very good accordion mechanic. Yet ,
at the time of sale of this antique accordion Bruce demaded that my
accordion which was sold be in excellent shape. And it was. So if
guy like Bruce would disagree with me I would not even write one
sentense in self defence. I have seen connection from way back. I did
like it but if was ouf of my range anyway.
Who knows? He might drank that night with you and may be you gave him
that idea and that is what I suspected from the beginning. It is
always better to think together.
Gary, when comes to you I own you nothing. Nothing at all, not thanks
not applofy, nothing , because after I was contacting first by you
with solicitation to buy your materials I refused your offers with my
appropriate statements. It was privite anyway but under these
circumstances I have to disclose that such communications existed.
Why? Since , I just secured one of your copies of not copywritten
and non-authorized arrangements of songs by owners prior to
solicitation. These were so bad that I would not want them for
nothing. I rather play from the ear than waste my time on learning
wrong way.
Oh Boy! What I got from you for that refusal. Whatever you have now
or plan to do in your 'evil" dictionary would not change a thing.
Already people have a ball reading these postings so you can write as
much you want after you pass 3/4 of a bottle of "juice."
Now you know, why I never commented on anything you said here in this
NG but now is the good time to respond from me and for all those
before who are met sarcasm from the "evil accordinist" I mean you
and suffered so much.
Yes you can use these words. I have some of them somewhere on the
disk of your e-mails sent to me. If I lost them you are just plainly
lucky guy! Do you want me to place them here?
What you care about children anyway? You have ruined 100"s of them
if this is the truth that you had any students before? I did not
ruined anybody accordion so far and I do not send solicitations and
use free advertisemts of my web commercial page on account of this
group. You have a selfish reason but I am not. I am not engaged as
yet in commercial enterprice.
It is fine with me. Do whatever you want. It is up to your. I said
that I will lurked for interesting news and see what is going on and
you thought that I quit this NG in shame.
Enjoy it,
W.D.
Ike Milligan
Either the reeds are bent too high or too low. But there are various other
causes. Most common is the sudden choking of reeds when a lot of are is
applied. that will stop the sound before it gets started. If the reed is
bent too high above the slot in the plate, it will require a lot of air
before it sounds. It will alos sound faint and suddenly snap louder when the
reed leather or valve is loose or curved and the air sucks it down on the
plate. Another problem may be sometimes inferior reeds are used in the bass,
compared to the quality of the treble reeds. Everyone is guessing what the
problem is, unless it is seen in person it can't be determined. I have
mentioned the by far most common reasons for the problem.
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