Handling negative criticism - how do you all feel/react?
amnesiac jimmy
really good one of the same song. It was a song that is the best I can
do at this time, and I am really proud of it. How do you all handle
the "bad" stuff?
I try to give praise if I like a song - I know what people have been
through to get up the courage to post on here - and if I don't like it
I don't review it. On the other hand, it is a cruel hard world out
there in the commercial scene and the worst thing we can do on here is
cosy up to each other and praise each others' work just to make them
feel good. That is no good either imho.
Is there some sort of standard-ish form we could come up with? eg
Performance
Production
Catchiness
How likely are you to listen to the song again?
Lyrics
Music
Other comments
I used to go to Gods of Music to listen to stuff there a long while
back and they had a similar rating system. Anyone find that helpful?
Any ideas? (Apart from toughen up you wimp ;) >
Dave
Jimmy
I learned that everybody will have a different opinion to what yourself
would think would be the next smashing success on some chart somewhere. I
myself hold all my songs personally close and it pains me to hear comments
from people that may be true or untrue in a malicious nature, Professional
criticism is easier to handle,, barely :). Just believe in yourself.IF you
think it sucks it probably does suck. If you think it is good. it is....
Anything can sell out there just listen to have the crap on the radio!!!!
I listened to your music again. It does not suck! Not at quite Top 40
material production level yet either, but it is listenable and I liked it!
Jimmy
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Irene Jackson
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Hi Dave, it's nice to see you participating in here lately :-) Some people
in here will say exactly that...toughen up. They will also believe that
being hard on you is good for you. I agree to a point...there is "helpful
hard" and "nasty". Nasty doesn't help anyone except maybe the person who is
being nasty to feel holier than thou for awhile. I've seen a few of those
in here...trouble is that when you post something in a newsgroup, you take
the chance of one of those "nasties" targeting you.
I've been working a lot behind the scenes at Gods Of Music in the last
month, having been promoted to editor and "reviewer relations" there. One
of the advantages to being in that position is that I can see all of the
feedback that comes from artists...the most interesting emails are from
those artists who are so utterly defensive that they are blinded by it!
Whenever an artist complains that a reviewer has not been fair, or too hard,
etc., I go and read the review. You'd be surprised at how tame the reviews
often are. An artists' insecurity often makes them read all kinds of things
into a review that don't actually exist!
Many of the artists or bands are the opposite, they're greatful for some
unbiased feedback and always vow to use it to improve themselves. I think
the single most important thing to learn from feedback is what to listen to
and what to ignore. Anytime that I've had a brutal critique, I've gone
through the usual licking my wounds response...but AFTER that, when I feel a
little better, I try to look for the valid stuff. It is even more important
to look for more than one person saying the same thing. That is usually a
sign that there might be some truth to it.
Irene
PS...I wrote a couple of articles about rejection, and the pain of
separation:
http://www.irenejackson.com/rejection.html
http://www.irenejackson.com/pain.html
Sean Holland
at dave...@totalise.co.uk wrote on 5/20/03 3:58 AM:
> Hi there. Just had a couple of savage criticisms of a song, plus one
> really good one of the same song. It was a song that is the best I can
> do at this time, and I am really proud of it. How do you all handle
> the "bad" stuff?
(snip)
> Any ideas? (Apart from toughen up you wimp ;) >
If someone just typed "This sucks" I wouldn't pay too much attention. I
would certainly spend a moment considering whether it were true, but that
kind of criticism isn't particularly useful.
However, if the critic gives reasons for thinking a piece sucks, I would
feel grateful as well as a little disappointed. On the one hand, few people
would offer for listening a piece that they themselves thought sucked.
They've spent some time on their little creation, investing a bit of their
heart into it, and they hope other people will like it, so one is naturally
disappointed when that turns out not to be the case. On the other hand, if
some listener has devoted some precious moments of his or her life to
listening to something, despite it sucking, and has devoted further moments
to articulating a reaction to it, spending precious life energy thinking
about something that they think sucked, one would certainly be a tight ass
if one didn't feel gratitude.
Personally, if all I get is "cool" and "great" and nothing else, I feel a
little disappointed. I'm not kidding here. If everyone is just being nice
and giving you praise, it becomes hard to trust that praise. If you know
that there are plenty of people in the group who will tell you something
sucks if it does, you can take greater pleasure in NOT being told it sucks,
because that would be a more trustworthy indication that it did not, in
fact, suck.
If you get one person saying "boring" and others saying they really liked
it, you can probably overlook the one negative. If several say "boring" then
you may just have to face the fact and try not to be boring.
One last thing in my little sermon. There are some who always respond with
gushing thanks to praise, but seldom respond to negative critiques. I think
this is wrong. It takes much more effort to compose a useful negative
critique, and people who take the trouble to do so should be acknowledged
accordingly, I think.
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Dave
you need to be prepared for the fact that not everyone
is going to like your work. In fact, you might be surprised
that a piece you love is not liked by many at all. I have
personal experience here :-)
You really need a thicker skin, or don't post such questions
in the first place! At least don't say 'tell me what you think',
because it appears you may not like what you hear back,
if it's negative.
How about posting like this: "listen to my new song and tell
me what you think. But keep negative comments to yourself -
I only want to hear from people who like it"
Not trying to be flippant - but geez - if you don't want 'bad press'
then don't post a question asking for it. You know all the
clichés about heat and kitchens and rock throwers in fragile
houses and all that.
Not trying to offend - just my opinion.
Dave
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"amnesiac jimmy" <dave...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> really good one of the same song. It was a song that is the best I can
> do at this time, and I am really proud of it. How do you all handle
> the "bad" stuff?
Hi Dave,
Firstly, there has been alot of spiteful stuff here recently in general.
I have no problem with reasonable constructive criticism, but I will not
stand hecklers. I haven't listened to the song in question yet, but judging
by your other stuff it surely cannot be *that* bad. Personally I'd ask
myself if the critique comes from a man or a child. If it is a child, then
tell him to grow up. If it is a man, try to establish whether or not his
criticisms are subjective or objective. For example, is he saying "that's
crap" when he means to say "that's reggae, I hate reggae". If you believe it
to be a genuine criticism from a genuine musician take it on board but don't
take it to heart. I bear in mind many of the comments I get here for future
work and some of the tougher critters (Snabbu and Sean particularly) have
helped me muchly.
I am now intrigued by your song of course and will go and listen pronto.
I just hope after everything I said it isn't shit <big grin>
Lynn
suggested. I always try to comment on those things seperately. I actually
prefer to get my teeth into something that is in dire need of some
constructive advice, but unfortunately for me, there are too many people
here who's music is just great! Nothing much to say about those except that
I liked it!
I am probably the biggest critic of my own music. So should everyone be
their own biggest critic. My latest offering has raised a few unexpected
comments, but I put those down to personal preference rather than something
I feel would actually improve what I have already. That's not to say that
there aren't occasions when I have changed something because someone came up
with a good idea that I hadn't thought of. Very rare, but it happens!
The best way to deal with really scathing comments though, is to stand your
ground. Before you play it to anyone, think of some points that could be
criticised and then think of the reasons why you wanted it that way. That
way, you'd already be expecting most of the comments and would be able to
retaliate with the reasons why you settled on doing it that way. Then, think
of how your music would be if you heeded their suggestions. If you can see a
reason for their comments but still think your own way is best, then no
problem! At the end of the day, it is better to have something that you are
proud of, than concede to someone else's preference that you may not be
convinced about. My best grounding in taking harsh criticism came from when
I was a concert sound engineer. I quickly learned that sound is a very
personal thing and so long as I was happy with my efforts, and the band was
happy, then I would settle for pleasing some of the people all of the time
or all of the people some of the time. It's impossible to please all of the
people all of the time!
Lynn
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online newsgroup junkies who are devoted Dylan and Beatles fanatics who
offer their critique to a hard rock Biohazard-type tune, and obviously - it
doesn't jell.
If you get a bad review somewhere, and it's a tune you like: What The Hell?
The geek reviewing your tune is probably a homo ass-slammer. But if you are
gay you could think the reviewer was a spunkslut. It doesn't really matter;
take what you can get and drop the rest. You have to believe in yourself -
fuck everybody else.
Do what you do, and do it better next time. THEY don't matter. It is YOU
that matters.
Jon
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/zananakeyholesmusic.htm
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amnesiac jimmy
>
> PS...I wrote a couple of articles about rejection, and the pain of
> separation:
> http://www.irenejackson.com/rejection.html
> http://www.irenejackson.com/pain.html
cheers irene i will check these out later it is very late!
amnesiac jimmy
> If someone just typed "This sucks" I wouldn't pay too much attention.
fair dos
I
> would certainly spend a moment considering whether it were true, but that
> kind of criticism isn't particularly useful.
> However, if the critic gives reasons for thinking a piece sucks, I would
> feel grateful as well as a little disappointed.
i get it
we can most learn from considered criticism
On the one hand, few people
> would offer for listening a piece that they themselves thought sucked.
> They've spent some time on their little creation, investing a bit of their
> heart into it, and they hope other people will like it, so one is naturally
> disappointed when that turns out not to be the case. On the other hand, if
> some listener has devoted some precious moments of his or her life to
> listening to something, despite it sucking, and has devoted further moments
> to articulating a reaction to it, spending precious life energy thinking
> about something that they think sucked, one would certainly be a tight ass
> if one didn't feel gratitude.
true!
> Personally, if all I get is "cool" and "great" and nothing else, I feel a
> little disappointed. I'm not kidding here.
I'm with you on that one too
If everyone is just being nice
> and giving you praise, it becomes hard to trust that praise. If you know
> that there are plenty of people in the group who will tell you something
> sucks if it does, you can take greater pleasure in NOT being told it sucks,
> because that would be a more trustworthy indication that it did not, in
> fact, suck.
ok!
> If you get one person saying "boring" and others saying they really liked
> it, you can probably overlook the one negative. If several say "boring" then
> you may just have to face the fact and try not to be boring.
painful but true
> One last thing in my little sermon.
bless you father
There are some who always respond with
> gushing thanks to praise, but seldom respond to negative critiques. I think
> this is wrong. It takes much more effort to compose a useful negative
> critique, and people who take the trouble to do so should be acknowledged
> accordingly, I think.
> ---
OK! Lots of responses in this thread probably hit a nerve for a lot of us hey?
> http://www.nowhereradio.com/seanholland/singles
> http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/456/sean_r_holland.html
amnesiac jimmy
> I honestly think that if you post a 'what do you think' line
> you need to be prepared for the fact that not everyone
> is going to like your work. In fact, you might be surprised
> that a piece you love is not liked by many at all. I have
> personal experience here :-)
fair comment. It still hurts tho don't it? Part of me recognises that
other people are right but part of you still gets upset.
>
> You really need a thicker skin, or don't post such questions
> in the first place! At least don't say 'tell me what you think',
> because it appears you may not like what you hear back,
> if it's negative.
>
> How about posting like this: "listen to my new song and tell
> me what you think. But keep negative comments to yourself -
> I only want to hear from people who like it"
nice idea but it sounds a bit naff dont it? You'd never learn if you
put that would you? Not attacking you, on the contrary, you jsut
helped me realise something major here.
>
> Not trying to be flippant - but geez - if you don't want 'bad press'
> then don't post a question asking for it. You know all the
> clichés about heat and kitchens and rock throwers in fragile
> houses and all that.
>
> Not trying to offend - just my opinion.
no offence taken
thanks for taking the time to put in your 2 cents worth
dave
amnesiac jimmy
> to be a genuine criticism from a genuine musician take it on board but don't
> take it to heart.
most excellent words Miguel
I bear in mind many of the comments I get here for future
> work and some of the tougher critters (Snabbu and Sean particularly) have
> helped me muchly.
yeh i guess i was looking for heavy positive and negative criticism or
shd i say, constructive not destructive criticism all round.
>
> I am now intrigued by your song of course and will go and listen pronto.
> I just hope after everything I said it isn't shit <big grin>
Oh it is wonderful it will have you humming it non stop. :) Still
love that Gm blues btw...
d
amnesiac jimmy
me about 3 hours.... ;) Thanks again!
d
Sean Holland
> Nice comments Lynn. I fixed the drums on No Defence although it took
> me about 3 hours.... ;) Thanks again!
Three hours? LUXURY! In my day we would spend three YEARS on a drum track
and it would still suck! You live in a house? LUXURY! We didn't have a
house, let alone digital recorders and sequencers. You eat food? HAH!
LUXURY! We had TO dig holes in the dirt and stand in them in our bare feet,
extracting nutrients from the soil through our skin! Three bloody hours to
fix the drums? BLOODY LUXURY!
Snabbu
Hi Dave
Point number one, one of your negative savage crits was a troll, as I
recall he said something about Jesus Rock. I was tempted to rip him a
new one but I have a cold and couldn't find the energy.
So first learn to recognize Trolls and semi Trolls for example JD.
Ignore these people they have nothing to contribute to your development.
So when you read their negative post, take a deep breath then yell at the
screen at the top of your voice
" Fuck you and the Horse you rode in on you ignorant know nothing dip
shit"
Then feeling much better move on.:-)
With all critique you have to understand it is someone's opinion,
understand all opinions are not equal.
You must decide which opinions are worth listening to and which are not
and this has nothing to do with positive or negative. A critique of "
Cool song" when the work has issues of meter, structure, and prosody I
would submit to you is just as worthless as the Trollish " You suck" .
There is another issue here and that is this is a recreational group, and
as a result there are a lot of differing standards and intentions that go
through here, some write non commercial pushing the boundaries some write
commercial, some care a lot about the production, others like me don't
give a stuff. Some can sing some can't. Some produce workman like not
very original but well produced work. So that has to be taken into
account.
Also no one is perfect I true try to not comment unless I think something
is worth something, but occasionally I get my knickers in a twist about
something and attack a work, artistic types can be a bitchy bunch you
know. So probably toughening up would be a good move.
I haven't reviewed your song because I have run out of bandwidth for the
month and am capped at 56K till the 1st. Something to do with down
loading 6 mp3s of silence me thinks. Anyway I've upped my limit for
next month to 3 gig so that will not be a problem in the future. However
as I am sitting here with the lergie with nothing better to do I will do
the half hour down load and give you my sixpence worth later.
Cheers
Gary
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Irene Jackson
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> OK! Lots of responses in this thread probably hit a nerve for a lot of
us hey?
It's interesting, I get stats on people visiting my website and quite often
they use key phrases like "how do I handle rejection"...it certainly isn't
limited to the songwriting community :-)
Irene
Sean Holland
sna...@optushome.com.au wrote on 5/20/03 6:27 PM:
> I haven't reviewed your song because I have run out of bandwidth for the
> month and am capped at 56K till the 1st. Something to do with down
> loading 6 mp3s of silence me thinks.
(wee tiny voice) sorry! (Them silent mp3s, them's was me, weren't it?)
(Big Gruff Voice) There comes a time when one must wriggle onto the beach
and grow limbs. Get a broadband connection, yer foolish git.
Sean Holland
i...@nospamirenejackson.com wrote on 5/20/03 6:38 PM:
Yikes. The love forlorn are going to the internet for comfort? (shiver)
There's gotta be a song in it, anyway.
Snabbu
Oh I have broadband, but they brought in a new thing and what it was, was
really a disguised price rise. What it is is you get a choice keep paying the
old rate and you get 580 meg broadband when you have used all that your
connection slows down to dial up till the next month. I have now bitten the
bullet and changed my account to a 3 gig limit which is more sensible if we
are going to be doing this net band thing Mike and I have been talking
about. So next month I can down load all the silence you can play :-)
sings
" Hello darkness my old friend...............................
Antti Luode
I think that if you are honest with your music, ie, do not live in a fantasy
world, most of the time, you know the negative critisism coming your way
even before you read it. Which I gather is a good thing, I mean, it is
good to be aware of your weaknesses, so that you might work on them.
Then again, somebody just might hate your kind of music, which is
nothing one should be too concerned about.. We do our thing,
we do our thing, we do our thing, we do...
Antti
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> dave...@totalise.co.uk (amnesiac jimmy) lost his marbles in
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>
> > How do you all handle
> > the "bad" stuff?
> >
>
> I don't let it bother me. Constructive tips are great everytime - and you
> usually know who they're going to come from - but you always have the
> option to try and then use/not use depending on how you feel it works. At
> the end of the day you, the writer, are the arbiter of taste.
>
> I did get one 'critic' recently who just said 'the drums annoy me'. One
> line. No reason, just a subjective opinion. And when I asked why I got no
> reply. Clearly that kind of response is as invalid and worthless as the
> electrons that it wasted in getting to me. So I just shrugged it off and
> filed the poster in the 'asshole with nothing better to say' file. :) I
> think people who write stuff like that really do themselves a dis-service.
>
> --
> Paul Russell
> Muso, Producer, Songwriter, Renowned Wit and all round Egotist
> www.calamitypop.com
Richard Wilcox
> Hi there. Just had a couple of savage criticisms of a song, plus one
> really good one of the same song. It was a song that is the best I can
> do at this time, and I am really proud of it. How do you all handle
> the "bad" stuff?
We, at fakeshit, have noticed this tendency recently and consequently
we have started "The Serious Critiquers' Guild." Membership is free,
but there will be a charge of $500 dollars for anybody who posts a
sub-standard critique. i.e. "This is cool," "this is shit," copy and
paste critiques, I don't like rap, country, blues etc etc etc.......
Honcho has already had $2000 debited from his credit card!
Richard
(BTW Dave I've now seen them, I've had worse!)
Mark
just worked and re-worked a particular part of a song until you finally got
it and someone says " wow the song was good except for that part" you may
take it much more negative . Also what are your expectations from a critique
? Some people may know what they dont like but not understand why they dont
like it. As an example, I have heard so many singers in this group using way
way too much effects on their voice but I dont know how to point out which
effect. Is it too much flange, chorus ..? But I do know I dont like the
vocals in some songs. So if I said the vocals are too muddy someone may take
that "negative" . Just remember, the ones who point out things in your
songs are also the ones listening to your songs and that is very cool.
David F. Cox
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Negative criticism does not phase me. I do what I do to please me. It is the
only way I can be sure of pleasing somebody. I publish that I think may
amuse or inform someone else. If somebody thinks it is worthwhile reading
it, that is enough for me, at the moment.
David F. Cox
Lynn
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Ah, but Sean, you've gotta bear in mind that the drums he spent three hours
"fixing" was just 7 bars long! :o)
Lynn
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> dave...@totalise.co.uk (amnesiac jimmy) lost his marbles in
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>
> > the "bad" stuff?
> >
>
> usually know who they're going to come from - but you always have the
> option to try and then use/not use depending on how you feel it works. At
> the end of the day you, the writer, are the arbiter of taste.
>
> I did get one 'critic' recently who just said 'the drums annoy me'. One
> line. No reason, just a subjective opinion. And when I asked why I got no
> reply. Clearly that kind of response is as invalid and worthless as the
> electrons that it wasted in getting to me. So I just shrugged it off and
> filed the poster in the 'asshole with nothing better to say' file. :) I
> think people who write stuff like that really do themselves a dis-service.
>
> --
> Paul Russell
> Muso, Producer, Songwriter, Renowned Wit and all round Egotist
> www.calamitypop.com
I seem to remember submitting a crit along those lines, I am not sure if it
was your song.
All I can do is report how it strikes me. If it was that brief it was
because I was interrupted.
If I could not elucidate it is because I am no expert, not even a musician.
It matters not to me how much or little you value my contributions. If
nobody liked anything I did I would stop.
If it is constructive criticism that is being sought, all I can say is, if
it is not working then either do not do it, or do something else, or, all
else failing, do it more quietly.
But then, you knew that.
David F. Cox
amnesiac jimmy
> Online, you have to take everything with a fistfull of salt. There are
> online newsgroup junkies who are devoted Dylan and Beatles fanatics who
> offer their critique to a hard rock Biohazard-type tune, and obviously - it
> doesn't jell.
>
> If you get a bad review somewhere, and it's a tune you like: What The Hell?
> The geek reviewing your tune is probably a homo ass-slammer. But if you are
> gay you could think the reviewer was a spunkslut. It doesn't really matter;
> take what you can get and drop the rest. You have to believe in yourself -
> fuck everybody else.
>
> Do what you do, and do it better next time. THEY don't matter. It is YOU
> that matters.
>
> Jon
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/zananakeyholesmusic.htm
Thanks for the encouragement Jon! There are currently 22 messages on
this thread and it jsut brings home to me what a sensationally
supportive crowd most of you all are. You know who you are. Keep em
comin!
> > Dave
> >
> > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/theamnesiacsmusic.htm
amnesiac jimmy
> Point number one, one of your negative savage crits was a troll, as I
> recall he said something about Jesus Rock.
yeah i wondered about that cos it wasnt a song about Jesus!! Whatever
;)
I was tempted to rip him a
> new one
nice expression what does it mean??
but I have a cold and couldn't find the energy.
> So first learn to recognize Trolls and semi Trolls for example JD.
> Ignore these people they have nothing to contribute to your development.
> So when you read their negative post, take a deep breath then yell at the
> screen at the top of your voice
> " Fuck you and the Horse you rode in on you ignorant know nothing dip
> shit"
> Then feeling much better move on.:-)
lol
>
> With all critique you have to understand it is someone's opinion,
> understand all opinions are not equal.
OK
> You must decide which opinions are worth listening to and which are not
> and this has nothing to do with positive or negative. A critique of "
> Cool song" when the work has issues of meter, structure, and prosody I
> would submit to you is just as worthless as the Trollish " You suck" .
yeh right, we dont want a cosy situation where everyone praises
everything
>
> There is another issue here and that is this is a recreational group, and
> as a result there are a lot of differing standards and intentions that go
> through here, some write non commercial pushing the boundaries some write
> commercial, some care a lot about the production, others like me don't
> give a stuff. Some can sing some can't. Some produce workman like not
> very original but well produced work. So that has to be taken into
> account.
>
I just want to get better and better both production wise and
structure and song wise, the full 9 yards
> Also no one is perfect I true try to not comment unless I think something
> is worth something, but occasionally I get my knickers in a twist about
> something and attack a work, artistic types can be a bitchy bunch you
> know. So probably toughening up would be a good move.
I'll try. I never had a dad ;) so that macho stuff passes me by - tho
I have worked in the biggest maximum security prison in Europe...
>
> I haven't reviewed your song because I have run out of bandwidth for the
> month and am capped at 56K till the 1st. Something to do with down
> loading 6 mp3s of silence me thinks. Anyway I've upped my limit for
> next month to 3 gig so that will not be a problem in the future. However
> as I am sitting here with the lergie with nothing better to do I will do
> the half hour down load and give you my sixpence worth later.
most appreciated!
Sean Holland
wrote on 5/21/03 11:20 AM:
>
>
> "Sean Holland" <seanh...@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:BAF01353.195E1%seanh...@telus.net...
>> in article 7f91b19f.03052...@posting.google.com, amnesiac jimmy
>> at dave...@totalise.co.uk wrote on 5/20/03 4:41 PM:
>>
>>> Nice comments Lynn. I fixed the drums on No Defence although it took
>>> me about 3 hours.... ;) Thanks again!
>>
>> Three hours? LUXURY! In my day we would spend three YEARS on a drum track
>> and it would still suck! You live in a house? LUXURY! We didn't have a
>> house, let alone digital recorders and sequencers. You eat food? HAH!
>> LUXURY! We had TO dig holes in the dirt and stand in them in our bare
> feet,
>> extracting nutrients from the soil through our skin! Three bloody hours to
>> fix the drums? BLOODY LUXURY!
>> ---
>> http://www.nowhereradio.com/seanholland/singles
>> http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/456/sean_r_holland.html
>>
>>
> Ah, but Sean, you've gotta bear in mind that the drums he spent three hours
> "fixing" was just 7 bars long! :o)
7 bars? LUXURY!
Snabbu
>
> We, at fakeshit, have noticed this tendency recently and consequently
> we have started "The Serious Critiquers' Guild." Membership is free,
> but there will be a charge of $500 dollars for anybody who posts a
> sub-standard critique. i.e. "This is cool," "this is shit," copy and
> paste critiques, I don't like rap, country, blues etc etc etc.......
>
> Honcho has already had $2000 debited from his credit card!
>
> Richard
> (BTW Dave I've now seen them, I've had worse!)
LOL
Rick Norton
"Richard Wilcox" <richh...@aol.com> wrote in message
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sub-standard critique
$500 is cool. I don't like "The Serious Critiquers' Guild." copy country,
blues and paste rap. shit is free
Rec
amnesiac jimmy
> If it is constructive criticism that is being sought, all I can say is, if
> it is not working then either do not do it, or do something else, or, all
> else failing, do it more quietly.
or more loudly.. ;)
>
> But then, you knew that.
>
> David F. Cox
cheers dfc
dlc
Snabbu
.
The first thing is I spelt it wrong the correct spelling is Skerrick
The second thing is, and bad doos for you is that the word is a northern
English Dialect word.
now in use in the US and Australian as a Colloquialism, in a negative way as
in not a skerrick left so you better go see your Gran and get ye some lessons.
Don't be a mean act take her a dozen stout.
I think that's another round of old Perculiar you owe me eey bye gum
Cheers
Rollasoc
don't care. Some of it is funny as long as I like it I'm not bothered....
The best one was one of my songs being given the accolade of best dance
song... not bad for a rock track...
--
Chris
http://www.hairthieves.com
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/thehairthieves.htm
http://www.garageband.com/artist/hairthieves
"amnesiac jimmy" <dave...@totalise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Hi there. Just had a couple of savage criticisms of a song, plus one
> really good one of the same song. It was a song that is the best I can
> do at this time, and I am really proud of it. How do you all handle
> the "bad" stuff?
>
David F. Cox
"Rollasoc" <roll...@NOSPAMhairthieves.com> wrote in message
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> I've had good comments about my songs and a lot of bad comments and I
really
> don't care. Some of it is funny as long as I like it I'm not
bothered....
>
> The best one was one of my songs being given the accolade of best dance
> song... not bad for a rock track...
>
> --
> Chris
> http://www.hairthieves.com
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/thehairthieves.htm
> http://www.garageband.com/artist/hairthieves
>
Some of us oldies dance to rock
DFC
Sean Holland
roll...@NOSPAMhairthieves.com wrote on 5/23/03 12:55 PM:
> I've had good comments about my songs and a lot of bad comments and I really
> don't care. Some of it is funny as long as I like it I'm not bothered....
>
> The best one was one of my songs being given the accolade of best dance
> song... not bad for a rock track...
Some people complain about homosexuals absconding with the word "gay." That
doesn't bother me, but I am a little bothered by ecstasy munching techno
loop monkeys absconding with the word "dance." Johnny B. Goode is a "dance
song."
JD
> really good one of the same song. It was a song that is the best I can
> do at this time, and I am really proud of it. How do you all handle
> the "bad" stuff?
>
> I try to give praise if I like a song - I know what people have been
> through to get up the courage to post on here - and if I don't like it
> I don't review it. On the other hand, it is a cruel hard world out
> there in the commercial scene and the worst thing we can do on here is
> cosy up to each other and praise each others' work just to make them
> feel good. That is no good either imho.
>
> Is there some sort of standard-ish form we could come up with? eg
>
> Performance
> Production
> Catchiness
> How likely are you to listen to the song again?
> Lyrics
> Music
> Other comments
>
> I used to go to Gods of Music to listen to stuff there a long while
> back and they had a similar rating system. Anyone find that helpful?
>
> Any ideas? (Apart from toughen up you wimp ;) >
>
> Dave
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/theamnesiacsmusic.htm
It makes no difference. Songwriters, producers, record execs,
publishers etc have no upper-hand on rating songs then does the
general public. How many countless stories have you heard about this
record exec or that artist not liking a song yet it becomes a huge
hit, or loving a song and expecting it to be huge only to have it sell
zilch and get no airplay. Sure there are songs that a lot of people
will agree is good, but that does little to nothing for the cause.
There are many more terrible songs that become hits, are we supposed
to admire an insiders opinion when he thinks that song by Kid Rock and
Crow is great? (an interview I read), or what about when the big wig
from so and so records praises the Mutt Lange as being a great
songwriter? Have you guys heard that throw away garbage that his wife
recorded and he wrote? These my friends are the "informed opinions" of
the "insiders"... they count for nothing, they mean nothing, It's your
opinion that counts. I say, if they love it great, if they hate it,
what the hell do they know! In all seriousness, a song doesn't have to
be great or perfect or anything, people take it way to serious, there
will be no shortage of songs, just write and keep writing, don't try
to write a great song, try to write a good song, whenever you "plan"
it out it won't happen. Hopefully every so often one of your good
songs will turn out to be a great one... TO YOU! because even if
others thinks it's great you can bet your a$$ there are just as many
who think it's not, thus rendering other people's opinions useless.
JD
> I learned that everybody will have a different opinion to what yourself
> would think would be the next smashing success on some chart somewhere. I
> myself hold all my songs personally close and it pains me to hear comments
> from people that may be true or untrue in a malicious nature, Professional
> criticism is easier to handle,, barely :). Just believe in yourself.IF you
> think it sucks it probably does suck. If you think it is good. it is....
> Anything can sell out there just listen to have the crap on the radio!!!!
> I listened to your music again. It does not suck! Not at quite Top 40
> material production level yet either, but it is listenable and I liked it!
> Jimmy
> --
> Jimmy
>
Oh, and one more thing. As for as "insiders" and their opinions go,
90% of artists and albums lose money.. that means the labels are right
only 10% of the time. Now, why would anyone think they know what will
or wont sell?
Rollasoc
I've never tried to dance to my tunes though.... Maybe I should.
Talking of Johnny b Goode a mate of mine likes to heckle bands (between
songs) to play this. He just shouts it out at any quiet bits. You'd be
surprised about how many bands actually end up playing it just to shut him
up. You probably wouldn't then be surprised to find a shed load of people
will dance to it even though they haven't danced to any other song in the
set.
--
Chris
http://www.hairthieves.com
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/thehairthieves.htm
http://www.garageband.com/artist/hairthieves
"Sean Holland" <seanh...@telus.net> wrote in message
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amnesiac jimmy
all of you who have contributed to this thread, it has given me a lot
of confidence in what I do. We did a warm up set (3 songs) couple
nights ago on just acoustics for first time in 2 years and went down
really well, to the extent that one of the other main bands asked us
to do a full gig so they could support us - and that was after hearing
Summer Sun that 70s Christiain song (not!!)...I can laugh about it
now.
Keep em comin!
Dave
Seth Jackson
>just write and keep writing, don't try
>to write a great song, try to write a good song, whenever you "plan"
>it out it won't happen. Hopefully every so often one of your good
>songs will turn out to be a great one
Sounds like good advice.
- Seth Jackson
Songwriting & Music Business Info: http://www.sethjackson.net