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Lu R

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Oct 27, 2009, 6:32:21 PM10/27/09
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Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do
I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
promote my music. Any suggestions people?

Cheers,
Luke

www.soundclick.com/pentultima


dugjustdug

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Oct 27, 2009, 7:15:04 PM10/27/09
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Luke:

There are serveral in this group who offer pretty decent criticism/
comment for tunes posted here - RichL amung them. You could always
load it, let us have a listen, then, take it back down if you are
looking for comment from us masses. Being the fine experts we
are. ;-)

I, for one, would love to hear your rendition of it. Why not scratch-
track it and post?

RichL

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Oct 27, 2009, 7:27:28 PM10/27/09
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If he really thinks he's got a killer tune *AND* he wants to make money
from it, I wouldn't go that route if I were him. Even if he leaves the
song up for a day and doesn't allow downloads, there's a chance some
enterprising and amoral soul will rip it and later claim it as his own.


:-)

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Oct 27, 2009, 7:42:41 PM10/27/09
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On Oct 27, 3:32 pm, "Lu R" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>

What Leavitt says in several posts -except for crossposting- I don't
personally give a fat baby's dick whether people crosspost or not.

Yeah Luke, keep writing. Set it aside temporarily- it's yours and
it's original. Hold on man. The entire music industry began to rot
MANY
years before 12/07 when This Great Recession began. This POS is
going to be with us for several more years while _______'s watch a
pot boil...

IMO, it'll take the emergence of a hot new CD replacement technology
combined with the emergence of the entire US economy from this
turd, FURTHER combined with the emergence of an energizing,
positive upswing FRESH sound in music that gets people back out
on dance floors party'n like it's 1945 baby! A triumverate
convergence
if you will. Timing *IS* everything once the *OTHER* "things" are
in place. Keep going man and if you need a break-breather for creative
shed purposes, there's NO better time than THESE DAYS.

Good luck! :-) M

Lu R

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Oct 27, 2009, 7:45:08 PM10/27/09
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"RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Exactly Rich..a lifetime of writing experience gone in a minute of download.
This one I want to push to where I think it belongs..Im going to try
publishers first in Australia but am quite shocked at the inital responses
I've received or read online..."we dont accept new works , havent since
2005" wt?? or...dont send us your works..we will contact YOU if we want to
sign you up"...well yeah I get your drift..lol..


Lu R

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Oct 27, 2009, 7:48:36 PM10/27/09
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"dugjustdug" <prestig...@yvn.com> wrote in message
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Luke:

Hi dug ty for your interest but this one I cant share sorry..all I can say
is it sounds like a cross between, Cream, Led Zep and Mark Knopfler...I hope
that helps..

Cheers,
Luke

Lu R

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Oct 27, 2009, 7:49:42 PM10/27/09
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":-)" <lafaex...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Good luck! :-) M

Thanks, M. Good Luck to you too.

Cheers,

Luke :)


Les Cargill

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Oct 27, 2009, 9:11:56 PM10/27/09
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I think you have to rent Headley Grange to record it in. I'd
skip all the Alistair Crowley nonsense.

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Les Cargill

Lu R

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Oct 27, 2009, 8:20:48 PM10/27/09
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"Les Cargill" <lcarg...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Lol nice tip Les but unfortunately...

"Today the house is a private residence."


Steve at fivetrees

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Oct 27, 2009, 9:01:21 PM10/27/09
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":-)" <lafaex...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> What Leavitt says in several posts -except for crossposting- I don't
>> personally give a fat baby's dick whether people crosspost or not.

Yeah Luke, keep writing. Set it aside temporarily- it's yours and it's
original. Hold on man. The entire music industry began to rot MANY years
before 12/07 when This Great Recession began. This POS is going to be with
us for several more years while _______'s watch a pot boil...

IMO, it'll take the emergence of a hot new CD replacement technology
combined with the emergence of the entire US economy from this turd, FURTHER
combined with the emergence of an energizing, positive upswing FRESH sound
in music that gets people back out on dance floors party'n like it's 1945
baby! A triumverate convergence if you will. Timing *IS* everything once the
*OTHER* "things" are in place. Keep going man and if you need a
break-breather for creative shed purposes, there's NO better time than THESE
DAYS.

Good luck! :-) M <<

You're either very drunk or on strong meds, right?

Oh wait - you're American.

Steve
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http://www.fivetrees.com


:-)

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Oct 28, 2009, 12:36:24 AM10/28/09
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On Oct 27, 6:01 pm, "Steve at fivetrees" <st...@NOSPAMTAfivetrees.com>
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> ":-)" <lafaexami...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Nah, no drink, no drugs. I DID jerkoff in the shower yesterday-
Does that count?! C'mon man- does it? OK That's it- I confess.
I'm an American. One of us catches you slimin' in w/out
documentation, and swear by God, you'll be washing dishes
and blowing leaves until California runs a budget surplus-
Do you feel me son? Ack ack ack. :-) M

Michael

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Oct 28, 2009, 4:14:12 AM10/28/09
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If you're talking about "placing" a song, it is no easier now than it
was ten years ago - far from it, as there are less opportunities and
generally less cash floating around (which means less investment in bands).

Traditionally, you'd ask yourself what groups could cover it and then
contact their publishers or managers. But I think you might want to find
an up-and-coming band, and try and bend their arms. You'll need one that
gigs a lot, has an enigmatic frontman and seems destined to great
things. If you hold onto the publishing, you could bet on successive
horses if the chosen one falls at the first hurdle. In other words, you
have to become the publisher that you are looking for.

However, you might as well know that I consider a good song as a
lifelong blessing/curse. You'll be pitching, promoting and (hopefully)
tracking usage for the rest of your life. Make sure you really like it
before you start!


Michael
http://www.a-lyric.com/

Adrian Clark

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Oct 28, 2009, 5:28:37 AM10/28/09
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On Oct 27, 10:32 pm, "Lu R" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do
> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
> promote my music. Any suggestions people?

One song is not going to be enough. Write some more, and you'll have a
better chance of getting the attention of more people. Get your songs
on Bandcamp, ReverbNation or even (hopeless but it gets attention)
Myspace. Bandcamp is probably the best, as you've got so much
flexibility with regard to selling your music. Make lots of friends
and be nice to people :)


adrian

Lu R

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Oct 28, 2009, 9:14:33 AM10/28/09
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"Adrian Clark" <sfo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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adrian

Thanks Adrian I joined Bandcamp. Man I hate registering and all the bs that
goes with it lol..

Cheers,
Luke


Grip

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Oct 28, 2009, 9:37:17 AM10/28/09
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Put the bucks into self publish, produce, distribute.....or get a
music lawyer, lables will shitcan anything not represented by such.
Unless your uncle owns matchbook records A.D.D. RULES!

Lu R

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Oct 28, 2009, 12:33:50 PM10/28/09
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"Michael" <nswr...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Thanks Michael. Its pretty tough feeling high about something you create
then facing the ugly realities of what lies ahead to get it "up there"...I
think I may just see how it goes online rather than chase the "dark
horse"...

Cheers, Luke


Gill Smith

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Oct 28, 2009, 12:50:16 PM10/28/09
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"Lu R" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Congrats

the good news is writing it

the bad news is 'now'!

guitars are kind of retro.......

--
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Sean

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Oct 28, 2009, 12:57:43 PM10/28/09
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Gill Smith wrote:

> Congrats
>
> the good news is writing it
>
> the bad news is 'now'!
>
> guitars are kind of retro.......

Really? Do you listen to current pop/rock radio at all? I do for a
number of reasons: My kid puts that station on when she uses my car, so
I get blasted with it when I start up in the morning. I hear that stuff
coming out of her room. I run a little rock band as an extra-curricular
activity at the school where I teach (not music), and I listen to the
stuff the kids want to play. Current pop/rock music is everwhere.
And what do I hear? Guitar, guitar, guitar.
Can I find a bass player or a drummer for the school rock band? It's
always difficult. Keyboard players are around 'cause of all the kids
with piano lessons. And the creative, learn-on-their-own and
write-their-own-songs kids? Guitar, guitar, guitar.

Richard Heathfield

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Oct 28, 2009, 1:28:05 PM10/28/09
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In <bK_Fm.50588$PH1.4320@edtnps82>, Sean wrote:

<snip>

> I run a little rock band as an
> extra-curricular activity at the school where I teach (not music),
> and I listen to the stuff the kids want to play. Current pop/rock
> music is everwhere. And what do I hear? Guitar, guitar, guitar.
> Can I find a bass player or a drummer for the school rock band? It's
> always difficult. Keyboard players are around 'cause of all the kids
> with piano lessons. And the creative, learn-on-their-own and
> write-their-own-songs kids? Guitar, guitar, guitar.

And guitar, of course. (I can't imagine why you left that out.)

In my own experience, drummers are easy to find - but that may be
because one of my sons is a drummer. Bassists, though...

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Adrian Clark

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Oct 28, 2009, 6:04:07 PM10/28/09
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On Oct 28, 4:50 pm, "Gill Smith" <gill.smith....@googlemail.com>
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> guitars are kind of retro......

Do you live in 1982?


adrian

Lu R

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Oct 28, 2009, 7:07:13 PM10/28/09
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"Gill Smith" <gill.sm...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Are you Gary Numan by chance?


Les Cargill

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Oct 28, 2009, 8:14:22 PM10/28/09
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Adrian! Yo, Adrian!

"Winter Thames Sunset" sounds awesome. Nice work.

--
Les Cargill

Lu R

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Oct 28, 2009, 7:29:29 PM10/28/09
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adrian

Well so much for bandcamp..uploaded 1 song there...it wont let me limit the
playing time to demo length at all..then my real player can dl the clip as a
flash video!! So much for getting anyone to buy music on that
site...soundclick is MUCH better sorry...


Sean

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Oct 28, 2009, 7:31:02 PM10/28/09
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Richard Heathfield wrote:
> In <bK_Fm.50588$PH1.4320@edtnps82>, Sean wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I run a little rock band as an
>> extra-curricular activity at the school where I teach (not music),
>> and I listen to the stuff the kids want to play. Current pop/rock
>> music is everwhere. And what do I hear? Guitar, guitar, guitar.
>> Can I find a bass player or a drummer for the school rock band? It's
>> always difficult. Keyboard players are around 'cause of all the kids
>> with piano lessons. And the creative, learn-on-their-own and
>> write-their-own-songs kids? Guitar, guitar, guitar.
>
> And guitar, of course. (I can't imagine why you left that out.)
>
> In my own experience, drummers are easy to find - but that may be
> because one of my sons is a drummer. Bassists, though...
>

It's an all girls school. Drummers come along, but not as often as when
there are boys around.

Richard Heathfield

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Oct 28, 2009, 11:48:56 PM10/28/09
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In <Wu4Gm.49728$Db2.1416@edtnps83>, Sean wrote:

> Richard Heathfield wrote:

<snip>

>> In my own experience, drummers are easy to find - but that may be
>> because one of my sons is a drummer. Bassists, though...
>>
>
> It's an all girls school. Drummers come along, but not as often as
> when there are boys around.

Sorry to hear that. I'm a bit more fortunate than you, I think. If we
only count people I know personally and have current telephone
numbers for (i.e. people who, at a pinch, might be prepared to do a
gig for me at short notice), I know four drummers (excluding those
for whom it is not their primary instrument). They are all under the
age of 20, and two of them are girls.

Steve M. Mann

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Oct 29, 2009, 8:29:11 AM10/29/09
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On 10/28/2009 6:29 PM, Lu R wrote:

[...]


> Well so much for bandcamp..uploaded 1 song there...it wont let me limit the
> playing time to demo length at all..then my real player can dl the clip as a
> flash video!! So much for getting anyone to buy music on that
> site...soundclick is MUCH better sorry...

There's a way on SoundClick to limit the length of a song to 'demo'?
I've always just uploaded snippets of the songs when I needed this
feature. Am I over looking something?

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jtees4

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Oct 29, 2009, 1:53:43 PM10/29/09
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:32:21 +1100, "Lu R" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do
>I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
>promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>

>Cheers,
>Luke
>
>www.soundclick.com/pentultima
>

Worthless until we can hear it.


--
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Gill Smith

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Oct 29, 2009, 6:23:16 PM10/29/09
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"Sean" <se...@fakemail.con> wrote in message
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my Sunday homework is the chart show

sure there's guitars in the mix

but the age of guitar heroes is long past

guitars - live acts, even! - are all but extinct on R1, BBC yoof music radio

--
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Lu R

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Oct 29, 2009, 8:44:09 PM10/29/09
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"Andy" <no@spam> wrote in message
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> On 10/28/2009 6:29 PM, Lu R wrote:
>> Well so much for bandcamp..uploaded 1 song there...it wont let me limit
>> the
>> playing time to demo length at all..then my real player can dl the clip
>> as a
>> flash video!! So much for getting anyone to buy music on that
>> site...soundclick is MUCH better sorry...
>
> Don't know if this has been thought about, but....
>
> Why not just trim the recording to a shorter length _before_ uploading
> it?
>
> Andy.

Problem then is when someone wants to maybe buy the song they end up with
the shortened version. On soundclick, you can turn ON EXCLUSIVITY in the mp3
store to limit all songs to 2 mins but they will still sell as full length
music when bought. Luke


dvaoa

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Oct 30, 2009, 6:23:45 AM10/30/09
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On Oct 27, 6:32 pm, "Lu R" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do
> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
> promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> www.soundclick.com/pentultima

If you feel strongly about this, you could always copy write it, put
together a *real* video, load it up everywhere you can & go
viral...give yourself the best chance for exposure & possible
interest. Odds aren't in your (or anyone's) favor going the
traditional record contract route anymore.

-d

Sean

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Oct 30, 2009, 11:17:46 AM10/30/09
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That might work, but I'd recommend copyrighting it instead.

Adrian Clark

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Oct 30, 2009, 1:22:42 PM10/30/09
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On Oct 29, 12:14 am, Les Cargill <lcargil...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Adrian! Yo, Adrian!
>
> "Winter Thames Sunset" sounds awesome. Nice work.

Hi Les! Thanks Les!


adrian

Adrian Clark

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Oct 30, 2009, 1:26:57 PM10/30/09
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On Oct 29, 10:23 pm, "Gill Smith" <gill.smith....@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> my Sunday homework is the chart show


>
> sure there's guitars in the mix
>
> but the age of guitar heroes is long past
>
> guitars - live acts, even! - are all but extinct on R1, BBC yoof music radio

There's such a HUGE musical gulf between the "age of guitar heroes"
and the current Top 40. I wouldn't use either as a reliable indication
of anything.


adrian

Les Cargill

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Oct 30, 2009, 7:04:23 PM10/30/09
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A real video isn't that hard, either. Dunno what it'd
cost, but if you can "design" it (what, storyboarding?)
you can usually find some guy locally that'll being out
three or four HD cameras and mash it all up for ya.

And there's software to DIY, too.... been goofing around with
this meself, on little digital camera vids...

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WeReo_ScoTTy

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Oct 31, 2009, 2:46:27 AM10/31/09
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"Lu R" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what
> do I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present
> to promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> www.soundclick.com/pentultima
I hate that fucking song.


Adrian Clark

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Oct 31, 2009, 7:24:37 AM10/31/09
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On Oct 28, 11:29 pm, "Lu R" <wh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well so much for bandcamp..uploaded 1 song there...it wont let me limit the
> playing time to demo length at all..then my real player can dl the clip as a
> flash video!! So much for getting anyone to buy music on that
> site...soundclick is MUCH better sorry...

That's a new one to me... hearing Soundclick described as "better"
than anything ;)

Don't take this the wrong way, but with just one song, are you really
in the position to start insisting on "demo only" clips? At the
moment, your primary job is to get people listening to what you've
done, so let them hear it! Give them the full whack and you'll make
more musical friends.


adrian

Stephen Cowell

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Oct 31, 2009, 9:56:06 AM10/31/09
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"Adrian Clark" <sfo...@gmail.com> wrote

My advice... publish the whole thing, at lower-res... then make
the hi-res version available for sale. We really don't know if
you're any good unless we can hear the whole song.
__
Steve
.

Lu R

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Oct 31, 2009, 10:12:05 AM10/31/09
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"Stephen Cowell" <stephenleeN...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I found out that soundclick do play the whole song in lofi, sorry about
that. Dont sound too bad either :) Luke


Gill Smith

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Oct 31, 2009, 11:15:59 AM10/31/09
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"Stephen Cowell" <stephenleeN...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>

I've yet to like anything in hi-fi I didn't like in lo-fi

Motown's success in the 1960's was built on the tinny mono sound coming
out of a transistor radio speaker

A good tune, well-played, overcomes all obstacles, even language barriers

--
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Stephen Cowell

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Nov 1, 2009, 1:03:34 AM11/1/09
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"Gill Smith" <gill.sm...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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Exactly... you'll be able to tell you like it, and you can get
the hifi version for bux, since you know you'll be listening
to it. Used to be that the reason companies didn't care that
much about copying was that every generation brought degradation...
with perfect digital copying, the whole game is changed.
You have to give it away at low res, and offer the higher res
version over iTunes, etc.
__
Steve
.


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