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SHANIA RIPPED OFF AEROSMITH???

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Thunder

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May 24, 2003, 3:07:56 PM5/24/03
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Here are two sound bites. One is Aerosmiths 'Uncle Salty' running into
Shania Twains 'Man, I Feel Like A Woman'. The other is a mix of both
together. They are quite small.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mudbone61/songs/both2.mp3
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mudbone61/songs/mix3.mp3

If George Harrison could get nailed for 'My Sweet Lord' then she oughta be
coughin' up some bucks to Aerosmith.

You don't know how painful it was working on this. 'Man, I Feel Like A
Woman' has got to be one of the worst songs ever written or recorded. It
screams out "WE HAVE NO IDEAS". The synth is way over done as well, and the
drum machine is horrible. Just a bad, bad song. The staccato synth horn
part is really jammed in there also.

Take that bitch! :)

Irene Jackson

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May 24, 2003, 3:36:21 PM5/24/03
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You know, I was almost interested in listening myself until I read the last
line of your post.


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David Beardsley

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May 24, 2003, 4:27:33 PM5/24/03
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This is news?

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Thunder

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May 24, 2003, 6:01:42 PM5/24/03
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Boo-hoo Irene.


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Niles Standish

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May 24, 2003, 6:58:55 PM5/24/03
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My wife is a country fan, I like some songs. Pretty often when I hear a new
country tune, I can pick out something that sounds like some other famous
song. I'm not surprised that there are some matches, but I am not convinced
that a song was copied either...

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quisling

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May 24, 2003, 7:51:48 PM5/24/03
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Spot on! And has anyone ever listened to the Stones' "Angie" and followed it
directly with the Eagles' "Hotel California"?

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the Boogie Man

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May 24, 2003, 8:12:59 PM5/24/03
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Wow! A real lady's man!

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feklar

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May 24, 2003, 9:03:19 PM5/24/03
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I play rock and metal.

But seriously, if Shania would come over and jump my bones I would seriously
have to consider learning how to play country...

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Sonny

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> Spot on! And has anyone ever listened to the Stones' "Angie" and followed
it
> directly with the Eagles' "Hotel California"?
>
Give up pal. your wrong. You don't have an ear. Play the chords for one song
while singing the words to the other and Vice verse. There's not a clue of
plagiarism there. You lose. Good by..Killfile for another
as.h.l...........................(_!_)
Sonny ( and to think people read this shit to learn stuff)


quisling

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May 24, 2003, 9:20:06 PM5/24/03
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No ear, huh? I guess I should give my Bachelor of Music in Instrumental
Music Education and Master of Science in Theory back to to the universities
I got them from. Did I SAY they were identical? No. I said they are very
similar. And by the way, I have killfiled you, too, Sonny Boy.

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JD

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May 24, 2003, 9:43:35 PM5/24/03
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"Niles Standish" <rwa...@homail.com> wrote in message news:<POSza.75685$_e6.4...@news2.east.cox.net>...

We ALL borrow and steal a little here and there. There are no new
chord combinations to come with, only different ways to phrase them.
Take away the melody lines to 90% of songs and the music underneath
has been done time and time again. Look at Blues, country and Jazz ..
the undertone to this music is almost always very very familiar, it's
the melody on top that changes the way the chords interact. With Jazz
you often have musicians with all the technique in the world but with
little taste making 75% of jazz songs interchangeable. The walking
bass line is used by every jazz musician but no one excuses them of
stealing. AS for George Harrison, My Sweet Lord was almost exactly
like He's so fine... I'm sure he didn't do it on purpose but he did
infringe.

JD

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We ALL borrow and steal a little here and there. There are no new

feklar

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May 24, 2003, 9:45:32 PM5/24/03
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Jacques

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May 24, 2003, 10:38:55 PM5/24/03
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I never get tired of the video, if I turn the sound down.
And...if no one has volunteered to "nail" her yet...well.

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feklar

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May 24, 2003, 10:45:28 PM5/24/03
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Someone said she is married to Mutt Lange? If that's true then I'd still
jump her bones once or twice, but I wouldn't see it in the long term, or
worth giving up rock for...

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Jacques

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May 24, 2003, 10:47:16 PM5/24/03
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I guess it took a woman.

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dt king

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"feklar" <fek...@rock.com> wrote in message
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> I play rock and metal.
>
> But seriously, if Shania would come over and jump my bones I would
seriously
> have to consider learning how to play country...

Shania is beautiful and talented. But, considering that she and Mutt
kicked the crap out of Nashville, I'm thinking the only reason you can call
her a country artist is because country tried so hard to sound like her.
She did to country what Colbain did to rock.

Silver lining: Nashville labels got too distracted to screw with the real
country elite so they were left alone to crank what they do best.

dtk

feklar

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May 24, 2003, 11:03:27 PM5/24/03
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Is that the same Robert John "Mutt" Lange who did Aerosmith, Supertramp, Def
Leppard, AC/DC?

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quisling

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May 24, 2003, 11:06:08 PM5/24/03
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yep. One and the same.

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feklar

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May 24, 2003, 11:37:43 PM5/24/03
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Well, he's lucky I wasn't charging a penalty of spiritual servitude for
lamers who pulled shit back then in the early 80s, like I started in 1992
and do now.

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feklar

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May 24, 2003, 11:41:40 PM5/24/03
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I used to drive taxi back in my younger days in St. Paul. I had that joker
in my cab one night. Sometime in the winter, about two weeks or two months,
something like that, after AC/DC stopped in the Twin Cities on their "Fly on
the Wall" tour. He came in on "the Pineapple", first plane into the
Minneapolis / St. Paul Intl Airport in the morning, Honolulu - Los Angeles -
Minneapolis.

Picked him up at the airport in Minneapolis, and took him to the AMTRAK
depot in St. Paul, he was taking the train the rest of the way, going to
some wedding in Wisconsin.


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feklar

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May 25, 2003, 1:06:05 AM5/25/03
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I always did wonder what camp Mutt was in though, back in the early 80's,
one of the chumps suckered into helping the Russians run their faggot
religious scam in the USA by unknowingly running part of it for them, one of
the Russians or their flunkies who were running the scam, or someone in the
know from the "Son of Hughes" people, or maybe just a spectator to the soap
opera.

(Although somehow I doubt the last possibility, anything is possible, and if
that were true it would probably automatically place him in the first group
anyway.)

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David F. Cox

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She is also well up in the "good to dance to" ratings.

David F. Cox


Keith Adams

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May 25, 2003, 1:21:35 PM5/25/03
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If the bitch wasnt good looking you would have never even of heard of
her.Sounds like she copied the hell out of Aerosmith though.

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Snabbu

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May 25, 2003, 6:59:01 PM5/25/03
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quisling wrote:

> Spot on! And has anyone ever listened to the Stones' "Angie" and followed it
> directly with the Eagles' "Hotel California"?

I can hear a similarity in the harmony setting and the opening structure of the
songs. Which I am sure someone can explain. I don't think there is a problem
though. I would be interested to know what it is technically that gives that
similar vibe, if it's a mode or whatever.

Cheers

Gary

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Snabbu

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May 25, 2003, 7:12:32 PM5/25/03
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feklar wrote:

> Is that the same Robert John "Mutt" Lange who did Aerosmith, Supertramp, Def
> Leppard, AC/DC?

Yes and it is fascinating what Def Leppard had to say about Mutt, ( or Mr.
Cross fades to some). Basically they were forced to use another producer for
their third album I think it was because Mutt was busy, they hired Tod Rungren
or someone like that who had been producing Meatloaf. It was a complete
disaster after working with Mutt and then working with this guy who couldn't
even hear that a guitar was out of tune. They abandoned the sessions and the
project sat on the shelf until Mutt was available to rescue it.

I greatly admire Mutts work it sounds pretty strong to me.

Snabbu

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May 25, 2003, 7:18:31 PM5/25/03
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Keith Adams wrote:

> If the bitch wasnt good looking you would have never even of heard of
> her.Sounds like she copied the hell out of Aerosmith though.
>

I don't believe that is valid, she sound just fine to me.
What might be a more valid statement would be. If the internet hadn't been
invented
we would have never heard of you.
Oh well there is a down side to everything I suppose.

Cheers

Gary

dt king

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"Keith Adams" <keith...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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> If the bitch wasnt good looking you would have never even of heard of
> her.Sounds like she copied the hell out of Aerosmith though.

Yes, I'm sure that was her master plan.

"If I could just sound like Aerosmith, then I'll finally have fame and
fortune beyond my wildest dreams."

Oddly, this plan somehow failed for thousands of garage bands. It's enough
to make one quite bitter.

Always worth a shot. There's nothing like a good Dream On cover.

dtk

Mike

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"Thunder" <no...@mofo.com> wrote:
> Here are two sound bites. One is Aerosmiths 'Uncle Salty' running into
> Shania Twains 'Man, I Feel Like A Woman'. The other is a mix of both
> together. They are quite small.
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mudbone61/songs/both2.mp3
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mudbone61/songs/mix3.mp3
>

Well, there's without a doubt a similarity. The chord progression and the style is an
extremely common one I'd say, but the progression and the end of the riffs where the
melodies go up a couple of semitones are *so* similar.

It's very hard for song writers these days to write original songs that are simple enough
to become hits. If the chord progressions are too complicated, then it won't become a hit
because it won't appeal to the large audience that do prefer simple stuff. And if it's too
simple then somebody might claim it's a rip off, because it's very likely that someone has
composed the same simple melody before.

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Jacques

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May 26, 2003, 7:10:14 AM5/26/03
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Until Shania, I'd never heard of "Uncle Salty"

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Linda Dachtyl

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in article RjWza.14281$rO.12...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net, dt king
at thoug...@hotmail.com wrote on 5/24/03 10:58 PM:


>
> Shania is beautiful and talented. But, considering that she and Mutt
> kicked the crap out of Nashville, I'm thinking the only reason you can call
> her a country artist is because country tried so hard to sound like her.
> She did to country what Colbain did to rock.
>
> Silver lining: Nashville labels got too distracted to screw with the real
> country elite so they were left alone to crank what they do best.
>
> dtk
>

Really? Lots of beautiful talents are sell-outs.

I always heard freshness in Cobain's music at least compared to the corp
rock of the 80's. All I hear in new country is bad imitations of 80's corp
rock with watered down chord progressions or remakes of 60's/70's tunes that
were once good when they were rock tunes with the obligatory steel licks and
lead singer with a cowboy hat and a twang.

I have never been a country music fan. But give me some honest George Jones
over this corp new country crap anyday.

The only reason I ever listen to new country is if one of my cover bands
wants to play a tune from this plastic genre.

I am a prog rocker and a jazzer, so I have never followed trends after I
quit listening to the Partridge Family. But at least the Wrecking Crew were
on those disks!!

Linda

Linda Dachtyl

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in article eXiAa.11415$dP1....@newsc.telia.net, Mike at Mi...@nospam.com
wrote on 5/26/03 2:59 AM:

> "Thunder" <no...@mofo.com> wrote:
>> Here are two sound bites. One is Aerosmiths 'Uncle Salty' running into
>> Shania Twains 'Man, I Feel Like A Woman'. The other is a mix of both
>> together. They are quite small.
>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mudbone61/songs/both2.mp3
>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mudbone61/songs/mix3.mp3
>>
>

> It's very hard for song writers these days to write original songs that are
> simple enough
> to become hits. If the chord progressions are too complicated, then it won't
> become a hit
> because it won't appeal to the large audience that do prefer simple stuff.

There is the problem. Tin Pan Alley didn't seem to have this problem.

7th, 9th, 11th, and 13th chords aren't a sin. Neither is mixed meter.

The media has brainwashed people into thinking the public will only buy
drivel.

I know of no one who eats at McDonald's everyday even though this is all
over the media.

And I know of many people who will not listen to corp radio at all when
given a choice. Not all are musicians with degrees either who can tell WHY
most of corp radio is crap.

Linda

Mike

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> > It's very hard for song writers these days to write original songs that are
> > simple enough
> > to become hits. If the chord progressions are too complicated, then it won't
> > become a hit
> > because it won't appeal to the large audience that do prefer simple stuff.
>
> There is the problem. Tin Pan Alley didn't seem to have this problem.
>
> 7th, 9th, 11th, and 13th chords aren't a sin. Neither is mixed meter.
>
> The media has brainwashed people into thinking the public will only buy
> drivel.
>

Well you certainly have a point there. But I think the problem is that the major labels
think that this is the only thing the consumers want to hear and consequently they
force the artists to produce that kind of easy listening stuff. You know, it has
happened more than once that a band plays the latest studio session mix for the
A&R and he/she says it's not commerical enough. IIRC that was the case with
Aerosmith a couple of years ago, when they'd had a long break from the business
and planned their comeback. They were asked to go back into the studio to record
material that was less "experimental" and appealing to a larger audience, including
the commerical radio stations. You know, there *is* a recipe to get airplay and the
record companies are so aware of that. I'm not saying that it's the only recipe though.

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quisling

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May 26, 2003, 9:45:32 AM5/26/03
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My opinion is that you are exctly right. The music business is just that -
a business. Someone is sitting behind a desk somewhere asking an artist
'how much money can you make for me today'. I had an indie producer tell me
that anyone with $100k to spend could have a major label contract (the
example she used was Capitol). And then there's the promotion......

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Smak186..

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Mike wrote:

> Well you certainly have a point there. But I think the problem is that the major labels
> think that this is the only thing the consumers want to hear and consequently they
> force the artists to produce that kind of easy listening stuff. You know, it has
> happened more than once that a band plays the latest studio session mix for the
> A&R and he/she says it's not commerical enough. IIRC that was the case with
> Aerosmith a couple of years ago, when they'd had a long break from the business
> and planned their comeback. They were asked to go back into the studio to record
> material that was less "experimental" and appealing to a larger audience, including
> the commerical radio stations. You know, there *is* a recipe to get airplay and the
> record companies are so aware of that. I'm not saying that it's the only recipe though.

That was after Aerosmith had already come back and had new hits on MTV
and the radio.. Of course you sign those big money deals with the record
companies they ARE going to get involved in making that money back.

Outt..
Jeff.

Jimmy

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May 26, 2003, 11:47:54 AM5/26/03
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Yeah I listened--

She probably had no clue.
I wish I had her and Mutt's money too.


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> Here are two sound bites. One is Aerosmiths 'Uncle Salty' running into
> Shania Twains 'Man, I Feel Like A Woman'. The other is a mix of both
> together. They are quite small.
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mudbone61/songs/both2.mp3
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mudbone61/songs/mix3.mp3
>

Larry A. Tilander

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May 26, 2003, 1:09:19 PM5/26/03
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And that idiot Up song doesn't sound like Should I Stay Or Should I Go
Now? And I'm Gonna Get Ya Good doesn't sound like One Way Or Another by
Blondie? As a Canadian country music artist I'm awfully glad that
Shania is no longer Canadian or country.

Larry A. Tilander

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May 26, 2003, 1:10:29 PM5/26/03
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They sren't the slightest bit alike.

Mike

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Yup, of course. They do take risks. Recording videos and doing promotion isn't really
cheap these days. In most cases they need deals with the radio stations as well, to get
airplay. And the radio stations are in the same boat. "Strange" music won't get played
because they reason the same way as the record companies. Loosing money just
because the song writer wanted to be more "experimental" might be annoying as h*ll :-)

Jimmy

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May 26, 2003, 4:05:34 PM5/26/03
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Mutt's work is fine toothed combed so many times by him
!
He is a perfectionist in the studio any the only one who can get great
music out of bands that other producers seem to have trouble pulling out.

Def Leppard for example
Brian Johnson AC/DC listen to his vocal work with Mutt and without Mutt
(Huge difference)

I wrote a song for Shania to sing --right ups Mutt's alley to produce---
contacted one of her publisher's but never got any response ...oh well...


Jimmy
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feklar

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May 26, 2003, 4:21:55 PM5/26/03
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Like Aerosmith is a risk, gimme a break

Snabbu

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May 26, 2003, 6:02:41 PM5/26/03
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feklar wrote:

> Like Aerosmith is a risk, gimme a break
>

Yea well lets play real safe and record a Diane Warren song just to be
absolutely sure. :-)

Cheers

Gary

quisling

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May 26, 2003, 7:39:46 PM5/26/03
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Thanks for quoting me. I don't see that I said anywhere in the quote that
they are the slightest bit alike. But if that's my opinion, that's my
opinion.

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Mike

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"feklar" <fek...@rock.com> wrote:
> Like Aerosmith is a risk, gimme a break
>

Heh. Well, don't underestimate the risks. They shell out *big* bucks for promotion and the
deals that artists of that kind sign up with the record companies are *fat*. That leaves plenty
of room for a potential loss of money. Think: advertising, videos, events, remixes, studio time,
sponsoring contests on radio stations, A&R salaries, administrative staff salaries (booking,
planning, radio contacts etc), travelling expensis, band royalties etc. Add the amount of cash
upfront in addition to the royalties that these artists require. Everything costs and record
companies sometimes loose money on some artists you know. I read about a major label and
they only had a 10% margin. Not too impressive for a company. It's not cheap to promote an
artist and have people who take care of all the administrative tasks. I'm not defending the
record companies. I'm just saying that they indeed take risks.

David

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May 27, 2003, 9:10:28 AM5/27/03
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That's funny, they are the same song

David

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The same

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> Is that the same Robert John "Mutt" Lange who did Aerosmith, Supertramp,
Def
> Leppard, AC/DC?
>
> dt king <thoug...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "feklar" <fek...@rock.com> wrote in message
> > news:rDUza.3373$4G.13...@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...
> > > I play rock and metal.
> > >
> > > But seriously, if Shania would come over and jump my bones I would
> > seriously
> > > have to consider learning how to play country...
> >

JD

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I've read up alot on the subject and the general consenses is that all
major labels lose money and/or break even on about 90% of the albums
they release. People gungho against the record companies fail to
realize this fact. I'd like to say something about CD prices as well,
I don't doubt that they are inflated, but to what degree is debatable.
To me, $15 to buy a new CD with 10+ songs on it is not a bad price,
you have an album to enjoy for years and years for a lousy $15 bucks,
I don't see that as highway robbery. You spend almost that much to go
to a movie and see it ONCE! but no one complains about that. Sure the
record company makes a lot per CD sold, but how's to say what's fair.
A lousy pint of Ben&Jerry's Ice cream ia cloase to $4.00, Bottled
water is inflated thousands of times ocer what it costs, lets all
boycott them too. You go out to dinner and it costs you $30 bucks,
putting things in perspective I don't see $15 for a CD you'll own
forever as a big ripoff.

feklar

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May 27, 2003, 12:27:52 PM5/27/03
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Hey don't look at me, I won't debate any of those points... well maybe
except what you said about CDs lasting for years and years. If you make a
legal backup copy then that is another matter, but even CDs wear out. I say
once you have paid for the right to own the license to the copyright, you
own the right to listen to the music anytime you fell like listening to it,
even after the media it was sold on ends up in the landfill. The law
agrees.

And the other thing, about Aerosmith. I won't deny anything else you said,
but I still say Aerosmith is not a risk. They could produce an album that
bombed so bad you'd think the second world war had restarted, and the record
company would at least still break even on them, vast hordes of Aerosmith
fans buying the album up on faith. Damn thing would go gold before the
first review ever made it to the internet. Of course, after that, Aerosmith
would be a serious risk, the next time they wanted to put out an album. Of
course, given their talents, that they would produce such a monstrosity in
the first place is highly unlikely.

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RonSonic

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May 27, 2003, 12:55:01 PM5/27/03
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On Sat, 24 May 2003 13:07:56 -0600, "Thunder" <no...@mofo.com> wrote:

>Here are two sound bites. One is Aerosmiths 'Uncle Salty' running into
>Shania Twains 'Man, I Feel Like A Woman'. The other is a mix of both
>together. They are quite small.
>http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mudbone61/songs/both2.mp3
>http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mudbone61/songs/mix3.mp3
>
>If George Harrison could get nailed for 'My Sweet Lord' then she oughta be
>coughin' up some bucks to Aerosmith.

Ahhh, plagiarism in rock. The trick is where to draw the line, 'cause I'll bet
cash money that a bit of research will find some old black guy that they both
owe money.

The worst case ever was the Huey Lewis / Ghostbusters suit. The Bar-Kays never
got a dime and they are the ones who invented that riff.

>You don't know how painful it was working on this. 'Man, I Feel Like A
>Woman' has got to be one of the worst songs ever written or recorded. It
>screams out "WE HAVE NO IDEAS". The synth is way over done as well, and the
>drum machine is horrible. Just a bad, bad song. The staccato synth horn
>part is really jammed in there also.
>
>Take that bitch! :)

Shania, over-produced????!??!!!!! Open it up in pro-tools and look for the cuts.

Ron

Mike

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May 27, 2003, 2:16:55 PM5/27/03
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> And the other thing, about Aerosmith. I won't deny anything else you said,
> but I still say Aerosmith is not a risk. They could produce an album that
> bombed so bad you'd think the second world war had restarted, and the record
> company would at least still break even on them, vast hordes of Aerosmith
> fans buying the album up on faith.

Yeah, they're big, but when a group is that big, they can easily walk away to
the next record company if the deal isn't good enough (unless they're tied up
to some slave deal of course). The record companies know that and consequently
they have to offer them enough cash so they won't leave. That's when things
are getting risky for the record companies. Take the latest album with Wacko
Jacko. He got tons of money and the album failed. Take Mariah Carey's latest
album (or was it her previous one?), she got zillions of bucks for it and then it
failed and it put the record company into financial difficulties that year.

So no matter if the group is an established super group or a newbie, the
record companies take risks. With the big ones, they have to pay them insane
amounts of money and with the newbies they might not sell enough.

Cheers

feklar

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May 27, 2003, 2:22:17 PM5/27/03
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Ah point well made. Just biatch-slap me if you ever see me getting that
ignorant around here again

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Boyd Williamson

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May 25, 2003, 2:27:39 AM5/25/03
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in article c7c2dba3.03052...@posting.google.com, JD at
angs...@yahoo.com wrote on 5/24/03 8:44 PM:

> We ALL borrow and steal a little here and there.

As John Mellencamp said, "show me someone who's totally original, and I'll
kiss his ass!"

Zoid

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May 31, 2003, 12:13:07 PM5/31/03
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My deepest sympathy for your shania experience.

I had a similar incident with the corrs.

It's gonna be O.K.

magmike

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Jun 2, 2003, 5:37:45 PM6/2/03
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With only 12 notes, "Thunder", one would expect to hear some nuances.
Sometimes even the chord progressions are the same, but there is alot more
to a song than that.

magmike

ps - what kind of name is 'thunder' anyway?


"Thunder" <no...@mofo.com> wrote in message
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> Here are two sound bites. One is Aerosmiths 'Uncle Salty' running into
> Shania Twains 'Man, I Feel Like A Woman'. The other is a mix of both
> together. They are quite small.
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mudbone61/songs/both2.mp3
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mudbone61/songs/mix3.mp3
>
> If George Harrison could get nailed for 'My Sweet Lord' then she oughta be
> coughin' up some bucks to Aerosmith.
>

magmike

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Jun 2, 2003, 5:44:07 PM6/2/03
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> > Someone said she is married to Mutt Lange?
>
> Who cares?

Well, since Mutt Lange produced AC/DC, Def Leopard, The Cars, Foreigner and
Bryan Adams, as well as others, he IS kind of a big deal.

magmike


feklar

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Jun 3, 2003, 3:37:25 PM6/3/03
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Hey, who ran sound for Aerosmith and Styx back in the first half of the
1980s?

I have seen over 100 concerts. I saw Styx 3 times, and I saw Aerosmith 5
times. Every single time, their sound system royally sucked. (Except with
Styx the one time, when I saw Rush, Styx, and Starcastle and they used
Rush's sound system.)

Musically, the band did OK (so the stage mix must have been OK), but the
sound system really sucked, and I mean totally sucked. The worst was the
one Aerosmith show at the St. Paul Civic Center where they had those
triangle reflector things around the top of the stage. (Actually the worst
was Styx at the Minnesota State Fair Grandstand, but they have to be
forgiven for that to some small degree because of the limited stage size and
having to use the house sound system. But still, I went to other concerts
there, and the sound was better even through that piece of shit house
system.)

Styx always had not enough bass, distorted mids, and tinny clipped highs,
and Aerosmith was all one narrow band of midrange and a few clipped nasty
sounding highs.

And I roamed all over the damned stadium most every time, it didn't matter
where you went or were located. Those shows (those entire road trips most
likely) were a total waste of really excellent bands.

They should have handed out refunds for that shit. Discounts, at least...

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magmike

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Jun 3, 2003, 4:39:16 PM6/3/03
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I don't know who ran sound. My guess, is it could have been different
everytime. I have a buddy in Houston who has done some pretty big shows.
Some of them just hired him locally, and he has toured with others, but
never the whole tour, I think.

Nonetheless, I've rarely been to a show where I thought the sound was great.
And rarely does the singer sing decent on stage it seems. I realize that
there is a lot going on, and he is trying to give a good show by moving
around alot (jumping, dancing, shaking hands, signing shit, and peeing on
stuff), but I'm not much of a concert goer cuz I usually get disappointed.

magmike

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JD

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"feklar" <fek...@rock.com> wrote in message news:<VN6Da.990$eY3.30...@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>...
> Hey, who ran sound for Aerosmith and Styx back in the first half of the
> 1980s?
>
> I have seen over 100 concerts. I saw Styx 3 times, and I saw Aerosmith 5
> times. Every single time, their sound system royally sucked. (Except with
> Styx the one time, when I saw Rush, Styx, and Starcastle and they used
> Rush's sound system.)
>
> Musically, the band did OK (so the stage mix must have been OK), but the
> sound system really sucked, and I mean totally sucked. The worst was the
> one Aerosmith show at the St. Paul Civic Center where they had those
> triangle reflector things around the top of the stage. (Actually the worst
> was Styx at the Minnesota State Fair Grandstand, but they have to be
> forgiven for that to some small degree because of the limited stage size and
> having to use the house sound system. But still, I went to other concerts
> there, and the sound was better even through that piece of shit house
> system.)
>
PA sound depends on so much, not the least of which is where you
happen to be sitting in the arena or club etc. I saw VH at the
Spectrum in Phili in 85, sounding terrible, I was in the 12 row.. a
couple years or so later saw them at JFK (outside) and they sounding
fantastic, as good or better than their records.

ripos...@gmail.com

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On Saturday, May 24, 2003 at 3:07:56 PM UTC-4, Thunder wrote:
> Here are two sound bites. One is Aerosmiths 'Uncle Salty' running into
> Shania Twains 'Man, I Feel Like A Woman'. The other is a mix of both
> together. They are quite small.
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mudbone61/songs/both2.mp3
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mudbone61/songs/mix3.mp3
>
> If George Harrison could get nailed for 'My Sweet Lord' then she oughta be
> coughin' up some bucks to Aerosmith.
>
> You don't know how painful it was working on this. 'Man, I Feel Like A
> Woman' has got to be one of the worst songs ever written or recorded. It
> screams out "WE HAVE NO IDEAS". The synth is way over done as well, and the
> drum machine is horrible. Just a bad, bad song. The staccato synth horn
> part is really jammed in there also.
>
> Take that bitch! :)

I think that a lot of people noticed, most of them old Aerosmith fans. It hit my hard the first time I heard the "rip off." I wonder if Steven Tyler and the boys even broke a sweat...or maybe, they got paid in advance for the use of the lead line? I don't know, but I was listening to the ST version, and the first 16 notes are a direct rip off from "Uncle Salty." It only takes six notes to be plagiarism according to the common law rule. So, it's kind of an open and shut case.
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