Walter piano serial number
Sam Am
Anyone that has a copy of Pearce's Piano Atlas, would you please tell me
when a Charles R. Walter model 1520 upright with a serial number of 521982
was manufactured?
Thank you,
Sam
Richard Galassini
>Hello,
>
>Anyone that has a copy of Pearce's Piano Atlas, would you please tell me
>when a Charles R. Walter model 1520 upright with a serial number of 521982
I don't have my atlas in front of me, but Walter is currently shipping 527xxx
serial numbers. Based on the fact that they build about 1800 upright pianos per
year, I would put the piano at between 4 and 6 years old.
Richard Galassini
Cunningham Piano Co
Phila,. Pa.
1 (800) 394-1117
URL:http://www.hometown.aol.com/voce88/cunn.html
Sam Am
and was told it was a year old. Hearing the 4-6 is kind of making me worry,
but I'll wait until I get the absolute date. I bought it as "new", because
the tech that sold it to me had it in his house for a year, but never
actually played it. If it is 5 years old, I'm going to have a bone to pick
with him! :-)
-Sam
"Richard Galassini" <voc...@aol.comspammie> wrote in message
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Larry
>and was told it was a year old. Hearing the 4-6 is kind of making me worry,
>but I'll wait until I get the absolute date. I bought it as "new", because
>the tech that sold it to me had it in his house for a year, but never
>actually played it. If it is 5 years old, I'm going to have a bone to pick
>with him! :-)
>
>-Sam
Better get your bone pick, Sam, if being lied to about the age is important to
you. Your piano was built in the mid 90's. I don't have my Atlas handy either,
but Rich and I are both Walter dealers, and 521 numbers were either 94 or 95.
Depending on what you paid, you may have still got a good deal, but getting
lied to about the age would make me doubt the guy's honesty, and make it hard
for me to trust anything else he had to say about its history. Also, unless the
tech is a Walter dealer (which I seriously doubt he is) you couldn't "buy it as
new" (implying he was offering you a factory warranty). While the warranty *is*
transferrable, you must know when, where, and who purchased it new.
Sounds like you and your tech need to have a good "come to Jesus" meeting.
Larry Fletcher
Pianos Inc
Atlanta GA
Dealer/technician
Doing the work of three men.....Larry, Curly, & Moe
Http://www.pianosinc.net
Dave Zappa
of ~522000 around 1992. I would say with Rich and Larry's guess and with
that fact you've got a piano that is more like 6-7 years old, and quite
possibly a year or two older than that.
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Sam Am
He hasn't come for the first tuning/voicing/regulation, but when he does, he
is supposed to bring the warranty papers. He said that it is a full 12
year. I'm really upset know, because I was under the impression that it was
from 1999. I have noticed that it does not have agraffes, but another one I
saw does. When did they first start putting these on? I paid $5750 for the
piano, which included a damp chaser, two free tunings, delivery, tax, and
free voicing and regulation for the next five years. If this piano is from
'94, '95, whatever, should I make a big deal about it? When he comes to work
on it, I am definitely going to bring this up. I am upset now, if not mad.
Is there anything I can really do? Does it really matter? Would it be
possible to get a "real new" one off of him now, or am I stuck with this
one? The reason I first wondered is because there is a slight patch of
copper oxide on the second bass string (green corrosion). Also, the sustain
pedal has a spot where it was obviously used, and the one caster has some
tarnish on. Being that he told me this piano was in his house for ONE year,
I figured that was the cause of it, but if it was in deed in his house for
five years... Well, I'm in a bit of a pickle...
Thank you all,
Sam Am
I'm going to confront him with it...
Thanks everyone,
Sam-I-Am LOL
Dave Zappa
and call the guy on the issue. If it is a good dealer he should admit the
mistake and give you some compensation. If they are a scumbag you have some
legal recourse, but if they are willing to lie to you they probably are
willing to lie in court and it would be your word against theirs.
I wouldn't sit on it for a "confrontation" when they come to do the
technical work, deal with it now.
Dave
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Richard Galassini
>519000 Was shipped in 1990. At 1800 per year that puts the manufacture date
>of ~522000 around 1992. I would say with Rich and Larry's guess and with
>that fact you've got a piano that is more like 6-7 years old, and quite
>possibly a year or two older than that.
That would work, Dave, but they weren't shipping 1800 in the early Nineties.
Thats why Larry and I placed it where we did.
pianoguy
voicing and regulation for five years" sounds like sales hype to me, this is not
something that a dealer would normally do for free.
--
pianoguy
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Rick Clark
>If he lied about the age of the piano...what else will he lie about? And "Free
>voicing and regulation for five years" sounds like sales hype to me, this is not
>something that a dealer would normally do for free.
I gather this seller is a tech who sells Walters as a sideline. As
such I don't find it unusual he would offer the above, as that is sort
of a "this is the benefit of dealing with a tech" kind of thing.
It also may be that the dampp-chaser that came with this piano is not
just a rod, but a complete system, and that is definitely worth some
money (and is a good thing to have). If you cut this out of the deal,
the price is a lot less than the $5750, meaning this may not be such
an unreasonable deal if one assumes the following:
My take on this whole scenario is, this tech invested in these pianos,
then found himself stuck with them for a number of years simply
because he's a tech, not a marketer or salesperson and he has no good
retail location. He wants to call the piano "new" because it wasn't
previously sold to another person. In his desperation he fudges on the
age, because he is afraid if it is known how old they are, the
customer may detect the stink of a white elephant.
All this is conjecture, of course. I have no idea if I'm right. But
others here seem to think this deal was a cynical rip off, and I think
it might be a little more in the grey zone, if I'm right about the
above.
But if I am right about the above, I can still see Sam-I-Am pushing
for some kind of partial rebate for the "sort of" fibbing, and the
additional years, even if it they were "undriven", no-previous-owner
years. And if I am right about the above, this seller should be
grateful to have a way out of not losing his ass in a business venture
that may be beyond his abilities, by selling at little or no profit,
rather than losing out completely.
Regards,
Rick Clark
Richard Galassini
>If he lied about the age of the piano...what else will he lie about? And
>"Free
>voicing and regulation for five years" sounds like sales hype to me, this is
>not
>something that a dealer would normally do for free.
>
The only way a dealer would promise that is if he wasn't planning on being
around to fulfill it.
pianoguy
in he shouldn't lie in order to make a sale. One lie usually leads to another and as
Rich points out...a dealer offering free regulation and voicing for 5 years is
probably not planning on honoring it. Once a guy lies to me I don't believe anything
else that he says.
As for the Dampp Chaser...I personally wouldn't add any value for it. Thing is...the
value of the piano was not as much of an issue as the fact that the age was
misrepresented.
--
pianoguy
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Sam Am
come to tune the piano. He charges about 60 for that, but he has a sort of
a long drive, so that's understandable for a tuning. Then, he'll do any
voicing/regulation I ask him to. Yes, he is a tech who sells pianos on the
side.
-Sam
John Barns
I recently called the Charles Walter factory to find the age of the Walter
piano I just purchased. Took less than a minute for them to tell me the date
it was sold from thier factory to the dealer, and the dealer's name and
address. I nice young lady answered, I stated I had a question about their
warranty and wanted to find out if there was any left on mine. She put me on
hold, a gentleman picked up, answered my questions, and looked up my serial
number.
Turned out mine was 8 years old, and originally sold to a large dealer near
me. I was told I did not need any warranty paperwork, they went by the
serial number record, and warrantied the piano for twelve years to whomever
currently had possesion of it.
And here's their number: (219) 266-0615
John Barns
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pianoguy
> They shipped it in '95... When the tech comes to work on it in two weeks,
> I'm going to confront him with it...
Since the factory referred you to this person it seems to me that they would/should
help you sort out this deal.
