Yamaha Piano
Rich
$5200 delivered(including tax and one tuning) here in Central
Virginia.
My quesiton is: is this a fair price today in 2003. I read some
threads here posted in 1999 saying $4500 is the market price for a
T121. But not sure if the price has gone up?
Thanks,
Richard
Brothermark
You and he have a similar taste in pianos..... and a similar budget..... now
that I think about it, I've never seen you 2 in the same room together!!
Larry
>I am in the market for a Yamaha T121 and the quote i got is about
>$5200 delivered(including tax and one tuning) here in Central
>Virginia.
>
>My quesiton is: is this a fair price today in 2003.
That sounds awfully high for an entry level price point piano. The T121 has
particleboard behind the pinblock, a Chinese action, and is built to compete
with Chinese pianos. Every corner that can be cut is cut. I've watched them
being built. For 5200 bucks, you aren't far off from getting a quality piano.
I'd do a little more research, and shop around some more.
Larry Fletcher
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entry level piano, it is still made with quality that the tuners that have
seen it said.
I did pay $3400 brand new though.
Not much help but here is some info that may help.
Steve
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Rich
The salesman told me that the T121 are 100% made in Japan. The
information is a little different from what Larry and other folks
mentioned in some previous threads.
It seems a little confusing with all the different information. Buying
a piano is more complex than I have thought. (Two of my friends bought
this one and recommend it to me.I know little about pianos). I liked
it becuase I thought it is low maintenance. Did anyone purchase this
piano recently? What is a reasonable price? Larry, could you shed
some light on it?
Thanks
Larry
>The salesman told me that the T121 are 100% made in Japan.
He lied.
>I liked it becuase I thought it is low maintenance.
It isn't going to be any lower maintenance than any other piano in the price
range you've been quoted. A little more and you could buy a Charles Walter, or
a Petrof, or Bohemia, to name just a few. Maybe I'm misinformed as to where it
is built, but I don't think so. I went through the factory in Thomaston, GA
several months ago and watched the T pianos being built. I saw the
particleboard panel being glued up behind the pinblocks, and saw the Chinese
actions being installed in them. The actions are built at the Yamaha/Pearl
River joint venture factory in Guanzho (sp?) China. They ship them to Thomaston
(and I was told that many of the pianos being assembled in Japan use this
action now also). Not that there's anything wrong with that, but this is not a
top of the line model by any stretch of the imagination. I couldn't bring
myself to pay anywhere close to 5K for it, having seen it being built. In fact,
I wouldn't buy any piano with a particleboard spacer behind the pinblock.
Larry Fletcher
H. Emmerson Meyers
American piano.
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Rich
told me if serial# of the T121 is 7 digits, then the it is made in
Japan. If it is 6 digits, then it is in Georgia. All the cabinet
though are from Taiwan. It appears YAMAHA made T121 before in Georgia
and has shifted that back to Japan in recent years. He did tell me
T116 is made in Georgia. Hopefully this can clarify the issue a little
bit here.
The comment below is a little bit oddly strong. Do you have bad
experience with T121?
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It has the same quality in all directions, is insensitive to parasites, will
not rot. It will not crack as easy as solid wood either.
The only setback is that it doesn't look as good, but who looks at it
anyway. Probably only the casual visitor in a factory or a tuner.
And to say that something is of low quality only because it comes from China
is a bit condescending too.
Aaron Goldenbaum
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james
As long as it isn't a load-bearing component, and as long as it does not
have to hold a screw, then nothing.
But. Do no charge me Solid Oak prices for Particle Board Parts.
I don't imagine that's happening, but, I wonder if the cost savings to
the manufacturer has a fair correspondence to the price difference to
the consumer.
Larry
>What's wrong with particleboard?
>And to say that something is of low quality only because it comes from China
>is a bit condescending too.
I think you're getting your panties in a wad over nothing there, dude.
If I wanted to knock a Yamaha piano because of particleboard, I wouldn't have
much trouble. This is an upright we're talking about, so the entire case on the
thing is made of particleboard. I am referring to a strip of particleboard
being used as filler behind a pinblock. If you don't understand the purpose of
a pinblock, or if you don't understand the literal tons of torque involved in
this area, I am not about to take the time to give you a lesson. Particleboard
in case panels is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the use of
particleboard behind the pinblock. This is not a place to use particleboard.
When asked why they were doing it, they admitted it was a cost cutting move
(one of many) employed to try to get the price down so it would compete with
Chinese built pianos.
That brings us to your crack about "condescending" in regard to what I said
about Chinese pianos. If you take the time to learn about someone before you
jump them, you'll find that I have long supported Chinese piano builders,
defending them *in their price point*. That is an important point, *in their
price point*. Once again, take the time to learn about something before you
jump someone. It is a reality of life that in China the labor rates are peanuts
compared to most countries where pianos are built. Given that labor accounts
for a large chunk of the cost of any piano, this is a significant factor. It
has nothing to do with the quality or lack of quality of anything.
Now with *that* said, there is a learning curve to overcome as well. China is
still in a learning curve. The Japanese had to go through it, the Koreans had
to go through it, and now China is going through it. The quality of their
pianos is improving rapidly. But they *still* aren't building pianos in any
quality range other than entry level. That isn't condescending, that's just
fact.
Next time you decide to jump my ass, get your facts straight first. Learn
something about pianos and piano manufacturing before you decide you're some
kind of "expert".
Larry Fletcher