Petrof quality
claudy
I want to buy a piano for house use and I hesitate
between a Boston 5' 10 ' ' a Petrof 5' 8 ' ' and a Yamaha
C3 6' 1 ' '. The 3 are offered to me at a similar price. I
like the tone of Petrof but I have somedoubts about the
quality of his manufacture. Yamaha offers good quality
but maybe has less musicaliry. Petrof is the less
expensive but is it as good as the others? The Boston
sounds great...
Should I trist the Petrof???
Thank you
P.S.: Sorry but english is not my native language, as
you can see...
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a...@abc.con
RX2 5'10" and RX3 6'1" equivalence quality and may be you can bargain a RX5 6'5" which is better quality for similar price.
BTW the Bostons are made by KAWAI. Forget about Petrof very unstable piano (personal opinion). Yams, Kawais and Bostons similar types of technical quality
but sounds a bit different, go with yours personal taste.
My suggestion at least try it out.
Peter (HK)
PETROF uprights can be great.
But their grands? I doubt it.
I'm not sure if PLEYEL makes grands now
but I love their uprights a lot more than
any YAMAHA, KAWAI, PETROF and even Boston.
Peter (Hong Kong)
Jory A. Olson
news:1e9b4e00...@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com...
> Hello.
> I want to buy a piano for house use and I hesitate
> between a Boston 5' 10 ' ' a Petrof 5' 8 ' ' and a Yamaha
> C3 6' 1 ' '. The 3 are offered to me at a similar price. I
> like the tone of Petrof but I have somedoubts about the
> quality of his manufacture. Yamaha offers good quality
> but maybe has less musicaliry. Petrof is the less
> expensive but is it as good as the others? The Boston
> sounds great...
> Should I trist the Petrof???
> Thank you
> P.S.: Sorry but english is not my native language, as
> you can see...
I've owned a Petrof III (6' 4") grand since February 1998. Once it was past
the break-in period it has been a very nice piano. I have not experienced
any stability problems as one poster to this NG suggested. In fact, my
piano technician is amazed at how stable it is. Petrof pianos come up over
and over again on this newsgroup. If you go to www.dejanews.com and do a
"power search" on the string "Petrof + piano" you will get hundreds of
opinions on Petrof.
Having said that, I think it is very odd that you can get a Petrof IV (5' 8"
grand), a Boston GP 178 or a Yamaha C3 for the same price. The C3 is by far
the most expensive piano on your list ($26,190 (USD)). Next is the GP 178
($19,360 (USD)). The Petrof IV is the least expensive at ($18,380 (USD)).
I'm assuming a polished ebony piano and using the "1998-1999 Annual
Supplement to The Piano Book". Even having said that, the Petrof is usually
much heavier discounted. Where I live the C3 would cost $24K, the GP178
around $22K, and the Petrof around $14K or $15K (all in USD). So the Petrof
is MUCH less expensive than either of the other two pianos. I think the
Petrof III (6' 4" grand) fits better into your list than the Petrof IV.
That also makes it the longest of the three, and still the cheapest.
I bought the Petrof because the sustain on the Yamaha, Kawai, and Boston
pianos was not very good and they were all too bright. I prefer the warm
singing tone of my Petrof.
If you like the sound of the Petrof then you might also want to try the
Schulze Pollman, Estonia, and Pleyel grands.
Jory
Kensei
claudy <croyNO...@globetrotter.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:1e9b4e00...@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com...
> Hello.
> I want to buy a piano for house use and I hesitate
> between a Boston 5' 10 ' ' a Petrof 5' 8 ' ' and a Yamaha
> C3 6' 1 ' '. The 3 are offered to me at a similar price. I
> like the tone of Petrof but I have somedoubts about the
> quality of his manufacture. Yamaha offers good quality
> but maybe has less musicaliry. Petrof is the less
> expensive but is it as good as the others? The Boston
> sounds great...
> Should I trist the Petrof???
What do you mean by quality?
Petrof has solid European spruce sound board; Yamaha I believe has ply, so,
I think, does Boston.
Petrof has thick solid hardwood rim; the others do not.
Petrof, if a newly made IV, has Renner action parts.
Yamaha and Boston may come from factory better adjusted. Petrof (like S&S)
may need technician prep before delivery. However, the most recently
manufactured Petrofs are arriving in great shape and need little prep.
Yamaha will last 30 or 40 years - Petrof more like 60+.
Petrof is less expensive only because it's built in Eastern Europe where
very skilled labor is less expensive and where you can buy spruce and maple
for much less money than you can in Japan. But if it will make you feel
better about the piano, there's a dealer in Portland who will charge you
more for the Petrof they you are being offered for the Boston.
Steve Bryson
I bought a Petrof 6'4" five and a half years ago and I am very happy with it. There were some small problems: It required a thorough regulation, the
castors had a clicking sound until the store I bought it from replaced them (at no charge), and very occasionally there used to be a slight buzz when the
piano was not played for a long time. But all these problems went away and I am absolutely delighted with the tone, in particular the tone's responsiveness
to varying touches. There is no question in my mind that there is no other piano it its price range with as nice a sound. It has a heavy action but I
easily got used to it.
On the other hand size matters and I'm not sure if a Petrof 5'8" will sound better than a Yamaha 6'1". It's up to your ear.
Good luck
steve
claudy wrote:
> Hello.
> I want to buy a piano for house use and I hesitate
> between a Boston 5' 10 ' ' a Petrof 5' 8 ' ' and a Yamaha
> C3 6' 1 ' '. The 3 are offered to me at a similar price. I
> like the tone of Petrof but I have somedoubts about the
> quality of his manufacture. Yamaha offers good quality
> but maybe has less musicaliry. Petrof is the less
> expensive but is it as good as the others? The Boston
> sounds great...
> Should I trist the Petrof???
> Thank you
> P.S.: Sorry but english is not my native language, as
> you can see...
>
Dave Zappa
<a...@abc.con> wrote in message news:391EDAAD...@abc.con...
> Why didn't you try the KAWAIs ?
> RX2 5'10" and RX3 6'1" equivalence quality and may be you can bargain a
RX5 6'5" which is better quality for similar price.
> BTW the Bostons are made by KAWAI. Forget about Petrof very unstable piano
(personal opinion). Yams, Kawais and Bostons similar types of technical
quality
> but sounds a bit different, go with yours personal taste.
> My suggestion at least try it out.
I just want to clarify the above statement. You are saying the RX5 is a
better quality piano than an RX2 or RX3, correct? Bostons are made by
Kawai, but they are not Kawai pianos (I think we've esablished that in the
past). Petrof is not necessarily an "unstable" piano, they just don't have
the precision of manufacture the Japanese pianos have (however, they do use
better rim materials which has also been pointed out countless times on this
group) I would never tell someone to "forget" a piano on a personal
opinion.
I would agree that they should try a Kawai.
DZ (back on the group after 2 weeks of friggin MS Outlook Express problems)
Darryl Greene
using laminated soundboards?
- Darryl
Larry Fletcher
>using laminated soundboards?
>
>- Darryl
Hi Darryl,
In grands, Samick is the only one I am aware of that uses a laminated board. In
verticals, some of the Kawais did, and I think still do. There may be a few
others who use laminated boards in low end verticals as well.
Larry Fletcher
Pianos, Inc.
Atlanta, GA
Dealer/Technician
Doing the work of three men..........Larry, Curly, and Moe.
Pianomoth
tried one, check it out. They make a 6'3" model that is very classy. Renner
actions and Abel hammers are standard. Definitely should belong in that list.
Dave Zappa
"Kensei" <harp...@nospam.2xtreme.net> wrote in message
news:8fnju...@enews4.newsguy.com...
> Petrof has solid European spruce sound board; Yamaha I believe has ply,
so,
> I think, does Boston.
> Petrof has thick solid hardwood rim; the others do not.
> Petrof, if a newly made IV, has Renner action parts.
Both Yamaha and Boston have solid spruce soundboards of similar quality to
Petrof.
> Yamaha will last 30 or 40 years - Petrof more like 60+.
I would disagree with that statement. The only advantage to the longevity
of Petrof over Yamaha or Boston is potential rebuildability.
DZ
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Before you buy.
ale...@my-deja.com
Consider the used market. Availability of used C3's
is pretty good. I recently bought a 10 yr old C3,
and it's a lovely instrument. You will spend substantially
less than the cost of a new piano anywhere near its
quality. As an added plus, you won't have to wait for
the tuning to stabilize.
If I were buying a NEW piano I would want to consider
the ease of resale in case I decided to later upgrade.
Petrof might be weaker than Yamaha or Boston because
it is lesser-known.
I've only played the Petrof once or twice -- I thought
it only ok. I like the Boston 178. Sounds like you're
getting the best deal on the C3, though, and it has
a more established track record for resale since the
Boston is so young.
Your primary consideration should be your gut, though!
alec
In article <1e9b4e00...@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com>,
claudy <croyNO...@globetrotter.net.invalid> wrote:
> Hello.
> I want to buy a piano for house use and I hesitate
> between a Boston 5' 10 ' ' a Petrof 5' 8 ' ' and a Yamaha
> C3 6' 1 ' '. The 3 are offered to me at a similar price. I
> like the tone of Petrof but I have somedoubts about the
> quality of his manufacture. Yamaha offers good quality
> but maybe has less musicaliry. Petrof is the less
> expensive but is it as good as the others? The Boston
> sounds great...
> Should I trist the Petrof???
> Thank you
> P.S.: Sorry but english is not my native language, as
> you can see...
>
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>
VOCE88
Just curious, are you drawn to pianos like a moth to a flame?
Richard Galassini
Cunningham Piano Co
Phila,. Pa.
1 (800) 394-1117
URL:http://www.hometown.aol.com/voce88/cunn.html
Rbgirl3121
A flutist friend of mine has a baby grand piano at home, she was telling me
about it and I asked her what brand it was. She said she didn't know and she
said she'd look. She came back and asked me,
"It's a Petrof, are they any good??"
(now how am I supposed to answer that unless you give me three hours?? Perhaps
I should just direct her to this NG.)
By the way, no one in her family plays piano. It's a decoration basically.
~Rbgirl~
"You think life is hard, try learning Gaspard de la Nuit!"
Brian
>Something amusing...
>A flutist friend of mine has a baby grand piano at home, she was telling me
>about it and I asked her what brand it was. She said she didn't know and she
>said she'd look. She came back and asked me,
>"It's a Petrof, are they any good??"
You're in Sydney, right? Where did they get it? Who in Sydney stocks
Petrofs? I would be interested in a look and play on my next business
trip if your friend can tell you which dealer (unlikely).
Regards
Brian
Downunder
hamn...@my-deja.com
> > Hello.
> > I want to buy a piano for house use and I hesitate
> > between a Boston 5' 10 ' ' a Petrof 5' 8 ' ' and a Yamaha
> > C3 6' 1 ' '. The 3 are offered to me at a similar price. I
> > like the tone of Petrof but I have somedoubts about the
> > quality of his manufacture. Yamaha offers good quality
> > but maybe has less musicaliry. Petrof is the less
> > expensive but is it as good as the others? The Boston
> > sounds great...
> > Should I trist the Petrof???
>
> What do you mean by quality?
>
> Petrof has solid European spruce sound board; Yamaha I believe has
ply, so,
> I think, does Boston.
> Petrof has thick solid hardwood rim; the others do not.
> Petrof, if a newly made IV, has Renner action parts.
>
> Yamaha and Boston may come from factory better adjusted. Petrof (like
S&S)
> may need technician prep before delivery. However, the most recently
> manufactured Petrofs are arriving in great shape and need little
prep.
>
> Yamaha will last 30 or 40 years - Petrof more like 60+.
>
> Petrof is less expensive only because it's built in Eastern Europe
where
> very skilled labor is less expensive and where you can buy spruce and
maple
> for much less money than you can in Japan. But if it will make you
feel
> better about the piano, there's a dealer in Portland who will charge
you
> more for the Petrof they you are being offered for the Boston.
>
> Does this hold true for their V (baby grand)?? Hows this model rate
vs Yamaha C1 or Kawai Rx-1?? Let me know since I'm still deciding..
Thanks, Hal
MsPiano4
newsgroup. Neither Yamaha or Boston use plywood sound boards. If you want to
make a case on one brand or another you should at least have your facts
straight. Many people take the advise given on the pages seriously and base
buying descions on that info. If we are not sure that our information is
correct perhaps we should not post at all.
Greg M.
James Boyk
> I get so tired of the amount of misinformation and outright lies on this newsgroup.... If we are not sure that our information is correct perhaps we should not post at all.
Amen!
James Boyk
Rbgirl3121
>Petrofs?
Not in Sydney... (forgive me if I don't disclose my actual location, I'd
rather not) don't know where she got it... perhaps I can ask... I'll get back
to you
Dale Mcmillen
for the world. Sounds better than my teacher's 7" Steinway (of course his
Steinway is many years old and gets several hours a day use). Added a Damp
Chaser which helps lots too. Can't speak to Petrof quality, but be careful
(from what I've heard).
Brian
>(forgive me if I don't disclose my actual location, I'd
>rather not)
ditto
> don't know where she got it... perhaps I can ask... I'll get back
>to you
ok, thanks.
Brian
James Boyk
Information on Petrofs: quality and choice of materials; air- or
kiln-drying of wood (and if air, for how long); quality and consistency
of workmanship; stability of adjustment and tuning; and likely lifetime.
James Boyk
VOCE88
>> don't know where she got it... perhaps I can ask... I'll get back
>>to you
>
>ok, thanks.
>
>Brian
>
Brian -
Are you no longer downunder?
Rich
Upover
Brian
voc...@aol.com (VOCE88) wrote:
> Brian -
> Are you no longer downunder?
>
> Rich
> Upover
> Richard Galassini
Richard
I am still very much downunder. Sometimes downunder the C7 checking the
acoustic foam under the soundboard. I am real down and under after a
few late-nighters working on the web site and skimping on piano practice
and RMMP.
Seriously, I occasionally leave out the "downunder" signature through
laziness.
I have not forgotten about your Stuart & Sons piano request, but am not
sure how to get more information. You will probably have seen all that
I could readily get.
Brian
You-know-where
p.s. perhaps I should send you one of those inverted world maps that
shows Australia at the top. The current orientation is hemispherist
(like racist).