Estonia or Schulze-Pollmann?
Yukon Cornelius
both polished ebony.
Which would you buy, and why?
ptooner
"Yukon Cornelius" <guhmin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> New 6'3" Estonia ($18,600) or new 6'3" Schulze-Pollmann ($19,600),
> both polished ebony.
>
> Which would you buy, and why?
and you/re only getting $5k off on the Estonia you don't even need to go to
the relatively quality of the pianos to make a decision.
Gerry
Jory
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Agreed. The Schulze-Pollman is the better made of the two instruments as
well.
Jory
David Dalle
looking at their website and the largest seems to be 197cm (6'4"). I
looked through the Google archive and there are mainly posts about the
uprights.
thanks,
David
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Larry
>Hello, what are the opinions on Schulze-Pollmann grands? I was
>looking at their website and the largest seems to be 197cm (6'4").
They also build a 6'7". SP is a top notch piano, a lot of piano for the money.
Materials and designs are superb, workmanship is impeccable. While there may
not be but 3" difference between them, they are totally different sounding
pianos. The 6'3" is more crisp sounding, the 6'7" is a piano you can simply get
lost in (in a good sense of the word).
Touch and tone is always a personal preference thing, but the SP grands are
excellent in that regard, with my personal choice being the 6'7". You can buy
better, but you'll have to dig a seriously deep pocket to do it.
Larry Fletcher
Yukon Cornelius
Schulze-Pollmann? Steinway? Bluthner?
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Jory
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> Schulze-Pollmann? Steinway? Bluthner?
Mason and Hamlin BB, Steinway B, Steinway C, Fazioli. Some might add
Seiler, Sauter or even Schimmel to the list, but I would not. Certainly
Bechstein belongs on the list. At that level of piano it becomes all about
preference. The SP has a more European tone than the Steinways or M&H so if
you want to stick with a European sound then the Fazioli or Bechstein is
probably a good choice. The Bluthner's tend to have a darker more complex
tonality than the SP, Bechstein or Fazioli.
The M&H Model BB is probably the best value in a high-end instrument, but it
does have an "American sound".
For the record I have a M&H BB, but tried the others.
Jory
Yukon Cornelius
on a Schimmel; that's why I'm asking.
Larry
>You wouldn't rank Schmimmel higher? I found a really excellent deal
>on a Schimmel; that's why I'm asking.
Not really. Schimmel is a fine piano, but I don't think it is a "better" piano
than the SP. I like the SP better than the Schimmel myself. I think Schimmels
sound like a Japanese piano.
Larry Fletcher
Doogle333
>From: guhmin...@yahoo.com (Yukon Cornelius)
>Date: 11/16/2003 10:46 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <5b9a0f46.03111...@posting.google.com>
>
>You wouldn't rank Schmimmel higher? I found a really excellent deal
>on a Schimmel; that's why I'm asking.
I find it odd -- so many salesmen and techs, including my own tuner, praise
Schimmels highly and call them fine pianos, but every time I have played a
Schimmel grand in a showroom I have been disappointed in the tone quality or
the responsiveness of the action or both. I listen to the accolades, sit down
and play, and then wonder if these pianos are like the emperor who had no
clothes. Perhaps I have just had terrible luck in never finding one that is
well prepped.
Doogle
David Dalle
>
>
> Not really. Schimmel is a fine piano, but I don't think it is a "better" piano
> than the SP. I like the SP better than the Schimmel myself. I think Schimmels
> sound like a Japanese piano.
> Larry Fletcher
This was exactly my impression from playing several Schimmel's (for
the 1st time) a couple of months ago. I found it felt like I was
playing a Yamaha (and for the record, I don't mind Yamahas, but I'm
not going to spend big bucks on one).
David
Jonathan Phua
what we're getting today.
Jon
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Alex Maas
I was going to buy a Schimmel upright about ten years ago, but the
price was too high. Later, the dealer called and had lowered the
price buy over 1/3, since high-priced uprights are a hard sell.
Unfortunately, I had already bought a different piano.
The same Schimmel uprights today do not seem of the same quality
tone-wise. One I looked at was REALLY bright like one of the poorer
Yamahas, something I have never experienced with the European pianos I
have looked at. It hurts your ears to play it.
I would imagine it may be the same with the grands. Maybe Yamaha is
subsituting wood from their pianos? I was really disappointed. I am
not sure how that translates to the grands.
Jonathan Phua
schimmels. Some german paino's aren't german nowadays. They use inferior
russian parts and poorer craftsmenship. Seiler is one of them.
Jon
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Larry
>Some german paino's aren't german nowadays. They use inferior
>russian parts and poorer craftsmenship. Seiler is one of them
That's news to me. Can you show some proof of that? Unless they started doing
that just lately, the last Seilers I saw were pretty well made.
Larry
Doing the work of 3 men - Larry, Curly, & Moe
Caution: I do not brake for sales weasels
H. Emmerson Meyers
Larry
>Are you sure that youd didn't mean Steiner instead of Seiler?
Uh...... I hope you don't mean a Bernhard Steiner....... I don't feel up to
that one again...... ;-)
Jory
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> on a Schimmel; that's why I'm asking.
No I wouldn't. I can't explain the effusive praise Schimmel pianos get from
some technicians and especially in Larry Fine's "The Piano Book". I usually
agree with Mr. Fine or at least understand his point-of-view, but in the
case of Schimmel I cannot even get on the same page with him. I have to
believe that they've changed radically over the past few years. For me and
my money Schimmel's are just very expensive Yamaha's. That is, overly
bright, shrill and over-hyped. Add to that that their dealer network in the
US is just horrible.
I think that the "really excellent deal" you're being offered is a
reflection of the state of affairs with Schimmel.
As always this is just my opinion. YMMV.
Jory
H. Emmerson Meyers
Bechstein--definetely better quality then the Yamaha. They are not in the
same class!!
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Yukon Cornelius
Just made a deal on a Schulze-Pollmann, so let's hope you're right.
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Jonathan Phua
cheaper pianos. He orders a few 'german' pianos and sells it under his
company's name. OEM pianos.
Jon
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Larry
>My dealer told me that. Perhaps the seiler dealer in Singapore orders the
>cheaper pianos. He orders a few 'german' pianos and sells it under his
>company's name. OEM pianos.
The Seiler dealer in Singapore is buying OEM Chinese built pianos and *telling*
you they were built in Germany. Lying, in other words.
Jonathan Phua
name on ronisch pianos and sell it for a cheaper price. That's a small print
at the corner saying made by rosnich.
Jon
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