Who is the Best Perfomer?
Michael Barry
pick and why? I am just curious.
I think I would pick Van Cliburn myself.
Michael
Jim Smitherman
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>If you could see anyone live at a concert at Carnegie Hall who
would you
>pick and why? I am just curious.
>
Anyone? Beethoven, before he went deaf, improvising.
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> If you could see anyone live at a concert at Carnegie Hall who would you
> pick and why? I am just curious.
> Michael
Glenn Gould, preferably without any sort of amplification near his mouth.
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>
>If you could see anyone live at a concert at Carnegie Hall who would you
>pick and why? I am just curious.
>I think I would pick Van Cliburn myself.
>Michael
Unfortunately he is dead, but I would say
Artur Rubinstein.
Time Magazin once had an article on him and I think summed it up well in a some
words like this ;;
" He may not have the technical wizardry of Horowitz, nor the intensely
cerebral approach of R Serkin, nor the mystical flights of S Richter" , nor I
might add the genius of G Gould, , all of the pianist above who I admire much,
but Rubinstein, had something that can only be thought of as being a "sum
greater than its parts".
For sure, there are many more pianists who could outplay him, or understood
certain styles better, etc, etc, etc, . But I still think no pianist has really
appeared that could stride out to a piano and play it like it was the most
natural thing in the world, unfussily done, but with full attention to music
making just the same, and achieve things that most pianists devote their every
thought, and time just to have a piece of.
I think this was the same whether he was playing for a video at his own house,
playing chamber music, talking, or being recorded in a live Carnegie
performance, playing among friends or playing while being almost blind.
I do not think I have encountered in any single pianist that same sense of
BEING a musician and pianist , in harmonious balance in any piece that he
plays, while always being fully aware that he is in fact playing BECAUSE there
ARE people with whom he wants to share his joy in playing, rather than
"proving" how something "ought" to be played, which I find a rather corrupting
thing in itself.
So, for me it would be Rubinstein , if I had to choose only one , as much as I
adore the others I mentioned.
ted
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Ludwig Van Beethoven. Just my opinion.
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His played the Chopin's Ballades will pure tone,
unmatchable technique and style...
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have never witnessed a more brilliant, dynamic or excitingly unique
concert pianist. Van has that other-worldly musical brilliance that is
so beautiful and so very rare. It's the kind of over-the-top, God-
given talent that comes around perhaps once, maybe twice, a century.
One word that especially describes Van Cliburn is "unique." Mr. Cliburn
has a gorgeous tone that's all his own. His sound is one of power,
clarity, and heart-touching sensitivity. There is a very beautiful and
elegant nobility to the Cliburn sound and it stands out far and away
from the others. And never is Mr. Cliburn's playing harsh to the ear.
It's always warm, golden and sings straight from the heart. To me, Van
is the indisputable poet of classical piano. Many music critics and
fellow musicians have commented on Van's unique communicative ability.
So few concert performers have that - and Van has it more than any
other. Whether he is performing on stage or just talking to fans at a
reception, Van has an aura about him that is palpable - it takes one's
breath away and leaves one shaking. Simply put, there will never be
another concert pianist like Van Cliburn. He is one of the truly
Greats. Long may he reign!
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"Jon Parker" <jonatho...@DONTSPAMMEhotmail.com> wrote:
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> "Michael Barry" <gettysb...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> > If you could see anyone live at a concert at Carnegie Hall who
would you
> > pick and why? I am just curious.
> > I think I would pick Van Cliburn myself.
> > Michael
>
> Glenn Gould, preferably without any sort of amplification near his
mouth.
>
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> Michael Barry <gettysb...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
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> > If you could see anyone live at a concert at Carnegie Hall who
would you
> > pick and why? I am just curious.
> > I think I would pick Van Cliburn myself.
> > Michael
> >
> >
>
>
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"George Gilliland" <g.gil...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> His Chopin recordings simply cannot be bettered. Every measure is a new
step into
> the unknown. . . he seemed to almost be listening to himself in amazement,
like he
> was on a voyage of discovery as he played. . . If ever there was a child
of the
> universe, it was Rubenstein.
Didn't he have a dream in which he said that Chopin spoke to him and told
him the HE was the one to interpret his music for the 20th century? I think
it was something like that.
Michael Barry
a little dull, like he is sight reading. But his Scherzos and Ballades are
INCREDIBLE!
Yogi Panda
>
> And indeed he was a child up to his ninties
He must be one of my previous incarnations, no wonder that my piano
playing sounds less alive ... Yogi
George Gilliland
DSPRESENTS wrote:
> >Artur Rubinstein.
>
Yes. For all the reasons you stated, and more. . . you heard him live?
His Chopin recordings simply cannot be bettered. Every measure is a new step into
the unknown. . . he seemed to almost be listening to himself in amazement, like he
was on a voyage of discovery as he played. . . If ever there was a child of the
universe, it was Rubenstein.
Sorry, I guess I'm getting into navel-gazing here. . . this can't be put into
words. It's silly. . . His playing represents my personal, musical ideal. . . not
that I'll ever attain it, at least not in this life. Never hearing play him play
Chopin live is one of my really big regrets.
Of course I was a teenager, and had too many other dumb things on the agenda.
G.G.
P.S. Re: Cliburn, he must be something altogether different live than in his
recordings, because I simply don't hear any of the rapture described above. Great
technique and very tasteful shading, but not as musical as many others. . . He
probably need the electricity of an audiance.
Radu Focshaner
>
> DSPRESENTS wrote:
>
> > >Artur Rubinstein.
> >
>
> Yes. For all the reasons you stated, and more. . . you heard him live?
RUBINSTEIN
And indeed he was a child up to his ninties
> P.S. Re: Cliburn, he must be something altogether different live than in his
> recordings, because I simply don't hear any of the rapture described above. Great
> technique and very tasteful shading, but not as musical as many others. . . He
> probably need the electricity of an audiance.
Brendel also said that more recordings should be made in live
performance.
DSPRESENTS
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>
>
>DSPRESENTS wrote:
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>> >Artur Rubinstein.
>>
>
>Yes. For all the reasons you stated, and more. . . you heard him live?
>
>into
>the unknown. . . he seemed to almost be listening to himself in amazement,
>like he
>the
>universe, it was Rubenstein.
>
>words. It's silly. . . His playing represents my personal, musical ideal. . .
>not
>that I'll ever attain it, at least not in this life. Never hearing play him
>play
>Chopin live is one of my really big regrets.
>
>Of course I was a teenager, and had too many other dumb things on the agenda.
>
>G.G.
>
>recordings, because I simply don't hear any of the rapture described above.
>Great
>technique and very tasteful shading, but not as musical as many others. . .
>He
>probably need the electricity of an audiance.
>
HI .
NO, unfortunately I have never heard Rubinstein live, nor for that matter many
of the famous pianists and only know them from their recordings, since LP days,
on radio, and on to reissues on CD's and on to the original CDs by other
pianists.
Having said that, I can consider that my measurement of all their performances,
at least those I am familiar with, is more or less on an even keel since they
all were processed through either the airwaves, or through a playing machine,
just like for most people on the planet.
However, I have since watched some videos of quite a number of performers , and
we know that is not so impossible anymore to do.
My opinion is this, about Rubinstein, that what I heard of him in general was
borne out by what i eventually saw, many , many years later.
I can not truly say the same thing with others, unfortunately, which is why I
think he was rather unique.
We each might agree or disagree with this or that particular treatment or
approach of his or any other performer to a piece, but on the whole, my
listening and learning experience from Rubinstein seems not to have been
surpassed by any other pianist, in the over-all sense of having gone to a feast
and been treated well.
My preious post , I think mentioned about his Ballades, and if not, I want to
support my view of him , most particularly because of his set of Ballades. I do
not even think he surpassed himself elsewhere, but I am thoroughly satisfied in
a way that I can not find with other pianists, no matter that they might have
more accomplished levels in particular departments of performing or making
music.
I just find that with the very best of himself, such as I think , in the
ballades, Rubinstein really exemplified a kind of playing that did not depend
on spectacle but is spectacular, did not depend on "proof" of probing
intelligence or " structuraist " mastery, but lived with full appreciation of
structure, did not depend on iconoclastic or "personality" laden playing but
was full of personality, and did not depend on "studying" life and how music is
supposed to express that, because it expressed something that could only be
called LIFE.
I must admit however that there have been times when I would be surprised that
I would hear on the radio, what I would say is a BAD performance, only to find
out it is Rubinstein.
That only means I can not profess to know even enough about his playing, nor
even that I SHOULD agree with everything he, did or maybe simply that my own
predilections have changed through the years.
I will then just say, that even today, when I sometimes listen again, just to
reacquaint myself with his Ballades playing, I am once again convinced by and
refreshed at such playing. And I find myself wishing , as before, that I heard
him onstage playing with that kind of musical world all his own, really.
As for other pianists of the same name recognition in the last 50 years, I have
only heard Cliburn play, i think the Liszt Sonata and the Tchaikovsky, done
very nicely too.
He did sound much like my impression from his records, which was nice to know
actually.
I once heard John browning, strangely enough, with the same Liszt in Carnegie
Hall.
Vaguely too, I remember Brendel play an all-Liszt recital in Carnegie as well.
Bob Mace
Michael Barry wrote:
> If you could see anyone live at a concert at Carnegie Hall who would you
> pick and why? I am just curious.
> I think I would pick Van Cliburn myself.
> Michael
I saw him when I was going to Interlochen. Not bad. :-)
Bob Mace