Rönisch pianos
Michael S. Caldwell
the piano brand Rönisch? Friends are considering purchasing one and I
thought it looked and -- more importantly -- sounded, beautiful, at least in
the showroom.
R. Martin
trademark of the Piano factory of Dresden, and I'm not even sure if they
have a Renner action or not.
I too recently considered buying one but changed my mind towards a "real
brand" such as Schimmel, Sauter, Grotrian-Steinweg, Seiler which have a
"history".
When you own a Ronisch, you own nothing while when you own a Sauter you have
2 or 3 centuries of history on your keyboard.
They do sound well, but nothing to compare with the other brands I
mentioned. I eventually bought a Schimmel. My preference went to the
Grotrian Steinweg though but it was too expensive.
Rönisch is not cheaper than Schimmel.
Regine
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Eting
>Does anyone have any thoughts, positive, negative, or neutral, concerning
>the piano brand Rönisch?
Steinert's in the Boston area carries them. They are very well made, even
overbuilt. Check out the size of the cheek blocks, for example. The sound
(based on only 30 seconds worth of playing, I have to caution) is classically
"European" - light and lean.
-Ed
Radu Focshaner
> When you own a Ronisch, you own nothing while when you own a Sauter you have
> 2 or 3 centuries of history on your keyboard.
Regine, I thought you are a psychologist, not a salesman. Which piano
factory can have 3 centuries of history ? Do you know when Cristofori
invented the cembalo with piano and forte ? Sauter was founded in 1819
by Johann Grimm (a relative of our friend Dwain Lee, Coumbus, Ohio).
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I really have no life...
I go around reading posts and,without having any original thought,
or adding anything to the subject,simply make short simpleminded
remarQs.
Larry
>by Johann Grimm
Didn't he have a brother? They wrote some interesting books......
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I really have no fife....I go around weeding Radu's posts and without any
aboriginal thought or padding anyone in the subject, simply take short
sampleminded potshots.....
Larry Fletcher
Pianos Inc
Atlanta GA
Dealer/technician
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R. Martin
> Regine, I thought you are a psychologist, not a salesman. Which piano
> factory can have 3 centuries of history ?
OK let's put it to 200 years:-)
How do you know my job BTW ?
Regine
Tom Shaw
R. Martin
> Radu has ESP
What is ESP ?
Regine
Radu Focshaner
>
> How do you know my job BTW ?
>
> Regine
I know everything and a lot more !
In fact I came to planet Earth in year 2987423 from planet Xerxes (I
wrote the Largo, you know). I read minds and make things happen. I know
where Osama is hiding, but nobody asked me , so far...
Radu Focshaner
Is a lethal combination of perfect sight-reading, perfectly absolute
pitch and clairvoyance.
R.
...and modesty (as in Modest Popovich Moussorsgky).
--
Tom Shaw
you question; ESP stands for extra sensory perception. You must become
used to the idea that not all posts on this ng make sense :-).
TS
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Lawrence Brown
Larry Brown here from Steinert's. After look at all those "real
brands" at every NAMM show for the past umpteen years, we decided to
directly import the Ronisch. (you have an edge on me here because I
don't know how to do the umlauted "o" in Agent software). Why? Many,
many reasons. First of all, we directly import them, which saves about
40% at retail because there's no importer in the U.S. marking up the
German wholesale by 30% or more. I remember Frau Seiler saying to me,
"I just wish I could get my pianos into your country at a reasonable
price!"
Ronisch is a real brand. It is owned by a gentleman from Stuttgart. I
don't know where you got the idea of a Dresden connection. Ronisches
do have Renner actions And Abel hammers.
Ronisch is the second-oldest piano company on earth still in
existence--so much for "history." Please correct one other "mistake"
in your message. Grotrian is just that. The last "Steinweg" associated
with them was during the Civil War. No connection to modern-day
"history" whatsoever.
I don't want to take away from your enjoyment of your piano (Schimmel
does not make a "bad" piano), but you should get a copy of the
September, 2001, "The Music Trades" magazine and read about the
wonderful computer-CAD-CAM programs which build the modern Schimmel.
That's their new history.
We would consider Herr Sauter a friend also, but, when he entered into
an agreement with a Florida distributor, his prices went up over 30%
to us. He has been in our store for private meetings and is a most
charming man.
In short, the German piano market is desperately trying to improve
their lot in the U.S. and Canada because grand pianos are the profit
point. In Europe, 80% of sales are verticals (space and the attitude
that "I don't deserve a grand" -- something I learned from Herr
Sauter.) The U.S. and Canada are almost 80% grand piano sales, so they
want to succeed here so they can improve their profit margins.
We have delivered many, many Ronisches and have had only one service
call on any of them. And ALL of our Ronisch customers are happy.
Larry
R. Martin
You do know much more about pianos than I do; in fact, I had never had any
idea of anything about a piano until I had to buy one for my son because the
one we rented only had a 2 years lease so we HAD to buy one.
The piano dealer who wanted to sell me the Ronisch spoke exactly the way you
did about Schimmel, and I believe he was not wrong. The Schimmel guy told me
what I wrote about Rönisch and I believe he was not entirely wrong either.
As a European I have never considered buying a grand piano anyway, I have no
idea how I could have put it in a 15 square meters bedroom:-)
You might also correct me but it's my understanding that a Grand and an
upright piano are almost 2 different things. Over, here, in Europe if you
buy an upright Yamaha, or Kawai, or wose Young Chang or Samick it means that
you are so poor that these are the only pianos you can afford ( even if some
of them are very expensive ). OTOH we have in schools many grand Yamaha and
Kawai and they sound really nice.
As far as Rönisch are concerned they are definitely built in ex-East Germany
( I made a mistake it's Leipzig instead of Dresden ). They are owned by
Pfeiffer Stuttgart since 1997, such as Zimmerman is owned by Bechstein.
Rönisch is one of the brands of the Pianofortefabrik in Leipzig, or their
flyer
lies:-) This does not mean they are not good, definitely not, Zimmerman have
also turned to be very good pianos, but in European eyes there is a
difference between owning an "eastern" or a "Western" piano, just like
Skodas might be excellent cars, but you sell a Mercedes better than a Skoda
or a Lada .... and for me this was to be taken into consideration because my
son is 8 and nobody knows if he will still be playing the piano within 3 or
4 years. IF he does not I will sell a Schimmel better than a Rönisch even if
they are just as good as one another.
Background
Founded in 1862 in Stuttgart by Joseph Anton Pfeiffer, two of his four
brothers and his young son Carl. They built their 1,000th piano by 1872.
Carl visited Brinsmead, London, and Steinway, New York, during his early
training. The company produced its 5,000th piano around 1900 and renamed
itself Carl A. Pfeiffer in 1905. The company famously made a copy of the
Paul de Wit built 'Bach's grand piano' for the German Museum in Munich, thus
contributing to the renaissance of the harpsichord.
Walter Pfeiffer made improvements to the actions of the pianos thus ensuring
the firm's survival in the 30s. He also published widely on the subject.
The factory was destroyed by fire bombs in 1943 and Helmut Pfeiffer
undertook the reconstruction and a new factory opened in 1961 making
instruments redesigned taking full advantage of modern technology.
Exports commenced in 1964. The 122 upright won a Diapason Golden Tuning Fork
award in 1985. The company moved to Leonberg, approximately 15km west of
Stuttgart, in 1994, the new premises incorporating a showroom and concert
hall.
In 1997 Pfeiffer took over the Pianofortefabrik Leipzig which produces the
Rönisch and Hupfeld pianos.
Piano range
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Mason Clark
>you have an edge on me here because I don't know how to do the
umlauted "o" in Agent software
Alt-148 may dö it för yöu. Ör för upper çäsë úsé Alt-153.
bachch...@my.com
manufacturer...Broadwood? Pleyel? Bosie?
BTW, here's what the "official" Rönisch history from
http://www.roenisch-pianos.de/en/index.html
" From 1845 to this day RÖNISCH remains one of Germany`s venerable
piano houses, meticulously handcrafting its superb instruments for
discerning buyers.
Represented through a select international network of premier piano
dealerships, RÖNISCH is prized in Europe, Australia, New Zealand,
Japan, Asia, North America and South Africa."
"In 1845, when Carl RÖNISCH ifirst began building pianos in Dresden,
capital of Saxony, it Would not be long before the young composers
Richard Strauss, Anton Rubinstein and Edvard Grieg would declare their
respect and admiration for the RÖNISCH piano later joined by the
worldrenowned Puccini and Rachmaninoff."
Andrew
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:06:00 GMT, pian...@mediaone.net (Lawrence
Brown) wrote:
Larry
>manufacturer...Broadwood? Pleyel? Bosie?
Ibach.
Radu Focshaner
>
> Radu has ESP
This afternoon I was walking the streets during my kids piano (On Topic)
lesson. My wife called me on my mobile phone to tell me that our friend
I. just phoned her that because he is tired he is leaving the work early
and he can give her a ride to the photo shop . Unlike other times , this
time I vehemently shouted at my wife to drop the offer "what, do you
want to get killed ? It's late, it's dark and he is too tired and
drives like a crazy". Well she did not listen to me and said that she
would not wait until I'll return, to get the car. When I arrived home
she was there. After the usual greetings , I asked her why is she still
at home. "I. took a bad turn and stoped into a tree". He was trapped
into the smashed car, in the middle of nowhere, for 40 minutes until the
ambulance arrived. Now he is in hospital and my wife is fine. Spooky...
Tom Shaw
TS
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