Actors pretending to be pianists
Al Stevens
played young competitors in a piano competition. They both did credible jobs
of looking like they were actually playing those concertos. I think both
must have had some prior training. The camera didn't do the usual trick of
never showing the actors' hands. You could almost always see their hands
when they were "playing." Dreyfus was a more credible pianist in this movie
than he was a conductor in "Mr. Holland's Opus."
I remember Tyrone Power pretending to be a pianist in "The Eddie Duchin
Story." They filmed his hands in action, too, but he rarely came close to
hitting anything resembling the right notes. It was hard to watch. I recall
reading that he had no experience playing any kind of piano music at all
before playing this part.
Clive Raymond
> I watched "The Competition" on TV last night. Amy Irving and Richard
Dreyfus
> played young competitors in a piano competition. They both did credible
jobs
> of looking like they were actually playing those concertos.
Now, if we can just find a boy band/girly group on TV that look like they're
playing rather than just posing with the instruments!
Ooh... there goes that flying piglet again... ;-)
Kevin Dooley
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> I remember Tyrone Power pretending to be a pianist in "The Eddie Duchin
> Story." They filmed his hands in action, too, but he rarely came close to
> hitting anything resembling the right notes. It was hard to watch. I
recall
> reading that he had no experience playing any kind of piano music at all
> before playing this part.
This type of thing has always bothered me. It makes me wonder
why they don't just hire actors who can play the piano. Surely
Broadway is drowning in musically trained actors who would jump
at the chance. I know, the big names bring in the audiences, so they
can put the big name actors in supporting roles where they belong.
I mean, they don't cast a white actor to play a black character. So
why cast a non-musician to play a musician?
Of course some instruments are easier to fake credibly than others.
Some types of guitar music would be relatively easy to fake. You
just hold flutter the fingers of your right hand and, with a little
coaching,
keep your left hand in the right position to follow the music. But
I suspect that it would be almost impossible to fake the violin or
the drum kit if you didn't play the instrument. The different bow
strokes look and sound very different... and it's even more clear
when the drummer hits a cymbal that's not in the sound track.
K
Cy Shuster
"Al Stevens" <a...@alstevens.com> wrote in message
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Dreyfus
> played young competitors in a piano competition. They both did credible
jobs
> of looking like they were actually playing those concertos.
I agree, Al. I had to look closely before figuring out they were faking it.
Even that much would take lots of rehearsal!
--Cy--
Al Stevens
"Kevin Dooley" <kev...@manageablenetworks.com> wrote in message
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> This type of thing has always bothered me. It makes me wonder
> why they don't just hire actors who can play the piano.
I liked the way they pulled it off in The Fabulous Baker Boys. That movie
really captured the lounge act business.
I saw an actor in a commercial playing a clarinet player holding the
instrument with the left hand at the bottom half.
In Pete Kelly's Blues, Jack Webb never pushes the third valve of his cornet.
In Young Man With a Horn, Kirk Douglas keeps hitting the same note with
different valve positions.
Warren Vache Jr taught Richard Gere how to play Bix's solo on Singin the
Blues for The Cotton Club. Gere insisted on playing it himself for the sound
track. It was awful.
I saw a movie on TV not long ago with an actor playing Tommy Dorsey in a
brief scene about a radio broadcast. He not only looked like Dorsey, he
played the correct slide positions.
Rick DelSavio
actually played
those pieces. Take care, Rick Del Savio
Al Stevens wrote:
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countachl
I have read at least twice that Dreyfuss did study the piano to prepare
for the part, and that he became so interested that he continued after the
movie was finshed.
Knute Hestness
subjected to various talentless pubescent music machines. I have never
seen them actually pretending to play instruments. I think thats why
they do so much dancing around, it takes your mind (kids minds) off
the fact that they are just singing and not actually performing the
music.
It's so funny to me to think that kids will watch American Idol and
think that's the only way they can make it as a singer. True
musicianship is not a beauty contest where mindless masses vote you
in. It's about finding a passion and commiting yourself to the effort
it requires to do well.
A good example of this would be a non-formula talent, Vanessa Carlton.
She not only sings, but she plays piano, and writes(Gasp) her own
songs. So while the musical puppets seek better writers for their next
"Album", true musicians are writing the music for them.....
~ Knute
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Richard Hofheimer
In an old movie about Schumann ("Song of Love"?) Katherine Hepburn played
Clara. They used Rubinstein for the sound track. I remember seeing this
movie as a kid and being amazed at how good the faking was. If I saw it
again today I don't know how amazed I'd be.
In a bad movie called "The Mephisto Waltz" Alan Alda plays the part of a
pianist. The acting is poor but the piano faking is good. Alda practised
many hours a day to get it right. Jacob Lateiner provided the piano playing
for the sound track.
In "Hillary and Jackie" Emily Watson practised the cello for many hours to
be able to fake the cello playing. Great acting and good faking (but not a
good movie!)
Other examples?
Alan Young
That's because he was as much a pianist as an actor, although the sound
track actually used someone else's playing (I've forgotten the name).
OTOH, in "Kansas City" all the musicians you see playing on screen are
really musicians-- among the best in the business-- and the whole sound
track is based on what they actually played on the set. I think that
may be a unique creation in Hollywood history.
--
alan
+++++++++
"I wish I could play like Tatum's right hand!"
-- Charlie Parker
Frank H. Weeden
Steve Vai, as the devil, and in the
movie, Ralph Maccio(sp?) was actually
playing some simple pentatonic blues
riffs.
-Frank
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Robert S.
1. Dudley Moore (may he rest in piece)
2. Harry Connick, Jr.
pTooner
"Frank H. Weeden" <pla...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> How about the movie, "Crossroads"?
> Steve Vai, as the devil, and in the
> movie, Ralph Maccio(sp?) was actually
> playing some simple pentatonic blues
> riffs.
>
> -Frank
> --
I was considering that one two, but Steve Vai actually played most of the
music for both of them I believe.
Gerry
Frank H. Weeden
>
> I was considering that one two, but Steve Vai actually played most of the
> music for both of them I believe.
Man, Vai was incredible... (As always) Ralph *DID* learn
to play some guitar for the part, though. In the interview,
I think he said he was going to continue with it...
-Muddy Wolf <g>
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Richard Hofheimer
I recall seeing Dudlry Moore on a talk show in which he played a parody of
Beethoven sonatas - very "heavy" and always going to yet another ending,
complete with meaningful stares into the camera. It was a riot. Not long
ago (early 90's?) he played the Beethoven triple concerto with Itzhak
Perlman and Yo Yo Ma for some benefit concert. Brendel he wasn't but you
have to admire his versatility!
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Martin Paton
<pla...@charter.net> wrote:
>Man, Vai was incredible... (As always) Ralph *DID* learn
>to play some guitar for the part, though. In the interview,
>I think he said he was going to continue with it...
I have a Steve Vai Ibanez JEM 7BSB :) Which is currently in a case
gathering dust.
--
Martin J. Paton
Homepage address: http://pkl.net/~toasty
"I could put a quote here, but someone would just steal it"
Frank H. Weeden
I've got a Harry Connick Jr. CD, and he's great...
"Red Light, Blue Light"
-Frank
Frank H. Weeden
>
> I have a Steve Vai Ibanez JEM 7BSB :) Which is currently in a case
> gathering dust.
I have a Martin acoustic that's gathering dust. I sold
the Les Paul and the Fender Twin Reverb amp, and gave
my Strat to a musician friend in Nashville. My trumpet
from my high school days is sitting on the floor of my
study. I'm moving soon, to a home with a basement, and
then I'll probably begin practicing to get my lip back
into shape again.
-Frank
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
: Dooley Wilson in "Casablanca" did a great job of faking Sam's playing.
: That's because he was as much a pianist as an actor, although the sound
: track actually used someone else's playing (I've forgotten the name).
I hope you won't take this personally, but -- are you INSANE? That's the
only logical explanation I can think of. Dooley Wilson was a singer, not
a pianist, and his motions are so obviously not of what was being played
that even non-pianists can tell.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
It's a bird, it's a plane -- no, it's Mozart. . .
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
: Hi. Holly Hunter did a heck of a job on the film The Piano. Then again, she
: actually played those pieces.
Would that she had faked it to something that was actually worth listening
to. (Excepting the bar or two she did of Chopin's A major prelude.)
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You go on playing Bach your way, and I'll go on playing him *his* way."
-- Wanda Landowska
Mike Williams
doing an appalling job of mimicking any part of the highly repetitive piece
he was playing. The keyboard was at right-angles to the camera so the hands
were constantly visible.
Alan Young
wrote:
> I hope you won't take this personally, but -- are you INSANE?
Geez, why would i take a comment like that *personally*?
I mean, if I'd known you had an opinion, I wouldn't have bothered
expressing one. Nothing personal about that, is there?
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
: In article <amorm2$oas$5...@news.iucc.ac.il>, <sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il>
: wrote:
:> I hope you won't take this personally, but -- are you INSANE?
:
: Geez, why would i take a comment like that *personally*?
If you were just trolling, you might think that someone who thought that
you posted your comment because you couldn't help yourself was insulting you.
: I mean, if I'd known you had an opinion, I wouldn't have bothered
: expressing one. Nothing personal about that, is there?
You are welcome to your opinions. But when your opinion is idiotic, and
when your support for that opinion contains an error of fact, you have to
be prepared for the eventuality that someone will point out to you that
your opinion is idiotic and that your support for it contains an error
of fact. Not all opinions are created equal, you know.
-----
Richard Schultz sch...@mail.biu.ac.il
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
The gardener plants an evergreen whilst trampling on a flower. . .
robertandrews
I know a musician who can offer a loving home to neglected guitars.
Frank H. Weeden
>
> I know a musician who can offer a loving home to neglected guitars.
Well, I set my guitar aside after my daughter was born,
but eventually, I pick it up again. It's not being played,
but I have loosened the strings and it remains in the hardshell
case, so it will be in fine condition when I'm ready to go
back to it again. I know a musician who can offer a very loving
home to a high quality grand piano... (praying, "Oh please! Oh
please!") <g>
-Frank
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Frank H. Weeden
>
> I know a musician who can offer a loving home to neglected guitars.
Well, I set my guitar aside after my daughter was born,
Frank H. Weeden
>
> I know a musician who can offer a loving home to neglected guitars.
Well, I set my guitar aside after my daughter was born,
Al Stevens
>
> 1. Dudley Moore (may he rest in piece)
> 2. Harry Connick, Jr.
Also:
3. Michael Morarity
4. Jack Lemmon
5. Jimmy Stewart
6. Sam Kinison
7. Steve Allen
8. William Christopher
9. Richard Nixon
Tom Shaw
Just kidding, guys,
TSnews:2C_j9.19229$yB5.9...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
Mike Williams
>
> 1. Dudley Moore (may he rest in piece)
> 2. Harry Connick, Jr.
I think you've got that the wrong way 'round - they're pianists pretending
to be actors.
Dudley Moore was an organ scholar originally.
Van Bagnol
>
> This type of thing has always bothered me. It makes me wonder
> Broadway is drowning in musically trained actors who would jump
> at the chance.
...except that Broadway is on the opposite coast from where films are
made.
> I know, the big names bring in the audiences, so they can put the big
> name actors in supporting roles where they belong. I mean, they don't
> cast a white actor to play a black character.
Actually, (half-)white actors are cast to play black characters all the
time, as well as (half-)brown actors to play white characters.
> So why cast a non-musician to play a musician?
As Laurence Olivier once put it, "That's why they call it acting."
Besides, they can hire stunt musicians. Beats waiting on tables.
> Of course some instruments are easier to fake credibly than others.
> Some types of guitar music would be relatively easy to fake.
And nonetheless, actors still manage to play incredibly bad faux guitar!
Choking the neck, flicking their hands as if shaking the water off...
almost as painful as faux pianists playing nothing but ten-finger chords
during melodic runs.
> I suspect that it would be almost impossible to fake the violin or
> the drum kit if you didn't play the instrument. The different bow
> strokes look and sound very different... and it's even more clear
> when the drummer hits a cymbal that's not in the sound track.
I'd agree about the violin, but not as sure about the drums. Most of the
time the hands and feet are hidden behind the instruments and the
cymbals are practically the _only_ time strokes are clearly visible.
Van
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wrs...@yahoo.com (Robert S.) wrote:
This has got to be tongue in cheek. To which I should probably add:
3. Richard Gere
(Note the composer of the piece played in the piano scene in _Pretty
Woman_.)
Bonnie Granat
Bette Davis, but maybe Joan Fontaine, can't see her face. Anyway, she played
a pianist. The movie was good, but the faking wasn't. Anyone else know this
movie?
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Mike Williams
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> I recall a movie from the 1940s with James Mason and what's her name, not
> Bette Davis, but maybe Joan Fontaine, can't see her face. Anyway, she
played
> a pianist. The movie was good, but the faking wasn't. Anyone else know
this
> movie?
JM and JF were only together in "Island In the Sun" (1957)
http://us.imdb.com/Details?0050549
JM's 1940's films were:
1.. East Side, West Side (1949) .... Brandon Bourne
2.. Reckless Moment, The (1949) .... Martin Donnelly
3.. Madame Bovary (1949) .... Gustave Flaubert
4.. Caught (1949) .... Larry Quinada
5.. Upturned Glass, The (1947) .... Michael Joyce
6.. Odd Man Out (1947) .... Johnny McQueen
... aka Gang War (1947)
7.. Seventh Veil, The (1946) .... Nicholas
8.. They Were Sisters (1945) .... Geoffrey Lee
9.. Wicked Lady, The (1945) .... Capt. Jerry Jackson
10.. Fanny by Gaslight (1944) .... Lord Manderstoke
... aka Man of Evil (1944) (USA)
11.. Hotel Reserve (1944) .... Peter Vadassy
... aka Epitaph for a Spy (1944)
12.. Place of One's Own, A (1944) .... Mr. Smedhurst
13.. Candlelight in Algeria (1944) .... Alan Thurston
14.. Bells Go Down, The (1943) .... Ted Robbins
15.. Man in Grey, The (1943) .... Marquis of Rohan
16.. They Met in the Dark (1943) .... Cmdr. Richard Heritage
17.. Alibi (1942) .... Andre Laurent
18.. Night Has Eyes, The (1942) .... Stephen Deremid
... aka Terror House (1943) (USA)
19.. Secret Mission (1942) .... Raoul de Carnot
20.. Thunder Rock (1942) .... Streeter
21.. Hatter's Castle (1941) .... Dr. Renwick
22.. Patient Vanishes, The (1941) .... Mick Cardby
... aka This Man Is Dangerous (1941)
Edward
Kevin Kline is a pretty nifty keyboardist.
What about Geoffrey Rush in "Shine". I thought he did a damn good job
of miming - even the Flight of the Bumblebee scene (one of my
favourite scenes in recent films) he looked more or less right on the
note.
Edward
Tak-Shing Chan
> "Robert S." <wrs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> 1. Dudley Moore (may he rest in piece)
>> 2. Harry Connick, Jr.
>
> Also:
> 3. Michael Morarity
> 4. Jack Lemmon
> 5. Jimmy Stewart
> 6. Sam Kinison
> 7. Steve Allen
> 8. William Christopher
> 9. Richard Nixon
10. Jackie Chan, faking Fantaisie-Impromptu in one of his martial
arts movies.
Tak-Shing
Van Bagnol
<D89FF0A14EF2A945.D1172BA2...@lp.airnews.net>,
> "Al Stevens" <a...@alstevens.com> wrote in message
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> > "Robert S." <wrs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > I know two more actors who pretend to be piansts:
> > >
> > > 1. Dudley Moore (may he rest in piece)
> > > 2. Harry Connick, Jr.
> >
> > Also:
> > 3. Michael Morarity
> > 4. Jack Lemmon
> > 5. Jimmy Stewart
> > 6. Sam Kinison
> > 7. Steve Allen
> > 8. William Christopher
> > 9. Richard Nixon
>
So where do we put John Tesh?
Frank H. Weeden
>
> So where do we put John Tesh?
Personally? In the trash.
-Frank
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Sonarrat Citalis
actually Oscar Levant playing the notes, because his sound is
unmistakable, but Alda synchs it up flawlessly. The motions are
correct, the positions are correct and the notes pressed are correct
(and these aren't easy passages either); I've seen it three times now
and it still impresses me.
-Sonarrat Citalis.
Uncle Fred
v...@crl.com.invalid says...
> In article
> <D89FF0A14EF2A945.D1172BA2...@lp.airnews.net>,
> "Tom Shaw" <a000...@airmail.net> wrote:
> > "Al Stevens" <a...@alstevens.com> wrote in message
> > news:2C_j9.19229$yB5.9...@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
> > > "Robert S." <wrs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:c5511e32.02092...@posting.google.com...
> > > >
> > > > I know two more actors who pretend to be piansts:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Dudley Moore (may he rest in piece)
Dudley Moore *is* a pianist! OUCH. He's quite alive last
time I checked.
Was this supposed to be a critical comment? It failed.
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With Regards
Fred W.
Rick DelSavio
the last 6 months or so as I recall. He had lived for awhile across the
river in NJ. Very sad. Rick D
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Perhaps you should check more often. He's no longer in this time zone. ;-)
Gerry
>
Kevin Dooley
"Uncle Fred" <fred.willi...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Dudley Moore *is* a pianist! OUCH. He's quite alive last
> time I checked.
> Was this supposed to be a critical comment? It failed.
Dudley Moore died on March 27, 2002 in Plainfield, New Jersey, USA.
The official cause of death was listed as pneumonia as a complication of
progressive supranuclear palsy.
And yes, he was a pretty good pianist... better than me, anyway.
K
Uncle Fred
ch...@vangennip.nl says...
> later became a choirboy. He studied music at Oxford's Magdalen College on
> an organ scholarship. After that he performed many times as a jazz
> pianist before starting as an actor.
> He died of pneumonia 27 March 2002. Moore had been suffering from the
> degenerative brain condition Progressive Supranuclear Palsy.
>
>
Thank-you, and everyone who responded. It is sad to hear of
his passing. (What can I say; I live out here in the back woods
of Quebec province and even with the internet we don't get a lot of
news).
M. Slater
http://www.dpsinfo.com/dps/index.html#top
Type in a name, they tell you: dead or alive.
Mark
Knute Hestness
had been diagnosed with his disease. The saddest thing for me was that
he wanted so desperately to play like he used to and could not. I
can't imagine a greater torture to someone who could play well and
then could not.
~ Knute
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Helen P.
usually faking to their own recording -- which can be made of much higher
quality in a sound studio.
As for hiring real musicians to act, think about it a moment. How much of
the movie is actually spent closely observing the "player" performing? A
few minutes? And how much more time is spent acting? Added to that is the
box-office draw of a big-name actor.
Hmm, and which is better: a nonmusician who packs the theaters and excites
lots of folks about good piano music, or a real musician who only half-fills
theaters and creates the impression that piano is passe and uncool?
If you want really bad faking, though, we piano accordionists always get a
laugh when some fool appears in an ad with the entire instrument upside
down!
Then there was a actor/saxophonist a few years ago, who pretended to be a
president... ;-)
-- Helen
now changing keyboards from qwerty
to vertical or horizontal black&whites...
Frank H. Weeden
>
> I had seen a program about Dudley a few years back, shortly after he
> had been diagnosed with his disease. The saddest thing for me was that
> he wanted so desperately to play like he used to and could not. I
> can't imagine a greater torture to someone who could play well and
> then could not.
I feel the same way when I see interviews and video of
Mohammed Ali. Man... I grew up watching him box. I cried,
the night he was beaten so horribly by Larry Holmes...
-Frank
Kevin Dooley
"Helen P." <le...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Hey, even when the actor is an excellent musician or singer, they are
> usually faking to their own recording -- which can be made of much higher
> quality in a sound studio.
>
> As for hiring real musicians to act, think about it a moment. How much of
> the movie is actually spent closely observing the "player" performing? A
> few minutes? And how much more time is spent acting? Added to that is
the
> box-office draw of a big-name actor.
Given the way most of the current crop of big-name actors act, I'd like
to see somebody else give it a try, frankly.
K
Frank H. Weeden
>
> Given the way most of the current crop of big-name actors act, I'd like
> to see somebody else give it a try, frankly.
I agree. That's why I was glad to see Tim Roth get the
leading role in, "The Legend Of 1900." I think he did
a pretty good job except for one scene, where his right
hand is high off of the keys, but you can hear the
melody still being played. ;-)
-Frank
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: I agree. That's why I was glad to see Tim Roth get the
: leading role in, "The Legend Of 1900." I think he did
: a pretty good job except for one scene, where his right
: hand is high off of the keys, but you can hear the
: melody still being played. ;-)
I bet you wish that *you* could play that well!
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Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
It's a bird, it's a plane -- no, it's Mozart. . .
Frank H. Weeden
>
> In article <3D930CAF...@charter.net>, Frank H. Weeden <pla...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> : I agree. That's why I was glad to see Tim Roth get the
> : leading role in, "The Legend Of 1900." I think he did
> : a pretty good job except for one scene, where his right
> : hand is high off of the keys, but you can hear the
> : melody still being played. ;-)
>
> I bet you wish that *you* could play that well!
You are correct! LOL! I've got several MIDI files
from the movie, as well as the soundtrack... Phew!
My favorite scene is when they're rolling around
the ballroom. The song that he's playing is entitled,
"Magic Waltz," and I think it's the best song in the
whole movie. Excellent... I wonder who the real pianist
was. Does anyone know?
-Frank
Kevin Dooley
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The sound track album (I don't own it, I just found it on the net)
lists two pianists, Gilda Butta and Amedeo Tommasi. Apparently
Butta played the more classical tracks, and Tommasi played the
jazz material.
K
Frank H. Weeden
>
> The sound track album (I don't own it, I just found it on the net)
> lists two pianists, Gilda Butta and Amedeo Tommasi. Apparently
> Butta played the more classical tracks, and Tommasi played the
> jazz material.
Gilda Butta. That's the name I was trying to
remember. The sleeve for the soundtrack mentions
Tommasi, but I don't recall seeing Butta's name.
I wonder if Amedeo Tommasi has any solo albums or
if he's done other soundtracks. I really liked his
stuff in "1900"
-Frank
Marc Sabatella
> I was glad to see Tim Roth get the
> leading role in, "The Legend Of 1900." I think he did
> a pretty good job except for one scene, where his right
> hand is high off of the keys, but you can hear the
> melody still being played. ;-)
It seems likely to me that the actors are not generally hearing the
music they are supposedly miming in many cases; the soundtrack is added
later.
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Frank H. Weeden
>
> It seems likely to me that the actors are not generally hearing the
> music they are supposedly miming in many cases; the soundtrack is added
> later.
In that case, I'm doubly impressed, because Tim Roth
really did a good job, as far as I could tell, and in
fact, "The Legend Of 1900" is the very thing that inspired
me to get serious with learning to play piano.
-Frank
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Alan Young
<pla...@charter.net> wrote:
> "The Legend Of 1900" is the very thing that inspired
> me to get serious with learning to play piano.
It's getting harder and harder to find a cruise ship that will let you
stay on indefinitely. Good luck. 8-)
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alan
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-- Charlie Parker
Frank H. Weeden
>
> It's getting harder and harder to find a cruise ship that will let you
> stay on indefinitely. Good luck. 8-)
Everybody, all together now: "The LOOOOOOVE BOAT........." ;-)
sch...@gefen.cc.biu.ac.il
It's funny that you should mention that, because in the context of this
thread, I was thinking of one episode that (I am embarrassed to admit) I
saw some time ago. The plot was that a famous, now retired, pianist was on
board, and some rich Texan offered him $10,000 to play one concert for the
people on the cruise. The pianist refuses until he discovers that the
maid who makes up his room needs $25,000 for an operation on her leg. So
he goes to the Texan and says he'll do it for $25,000. It's only after that
happens that we discover that the reason that the pianist retired was that
he developed arthritis making playing so painful as to be basically
impossible. But he agrees to play through the pain in order to make the
$25,000 to give to the maid. The point of this is that when he gives the
performance, we hear him "playing" the Chopin Ab Polonaise, and he's actually
making the occasional mistake (just like a good pianist who couldn't
really play would do). I was surprised that a show like "The Love Boat"
would have that much verisimilitude -- given that they appeared to be
unaware of the concept of "income tax."
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-- Wanda Landowska
Frank H. Weeden
>
> It's funny that you should mention that, because in the context of this
> thread, I was thinking of one episode that (I am embarrassed to admit) I
> saw some time ago. The plot was that a famous, now retired, pianist was on
> board, and some rich Texan offered him $10,000 to play one concert for the
> people on the cruise. The pianist refuses until he discovers that the
> maid who makes up his room needs $25,000 for an operation on her leg. So
> he goes to the Texan and says he'll do it for $25,000. It's only after that
> happens that we discover that the reason that the pianist retired was that
> he developed arthritis making playing so painful as to be basically
> impossible. But he agrees to play through the pain in order to make the
> $25,000 to give to the maid. The point of this is that when he gives the
> performance, we hear him "playing" the Chopin Ab Polonaise, and he's actually
> making the occasional mistake (just like a good pianist who couldn't
> really play would do). I was surprised that a show like "The Love Boat"
> would have that much verisimilitude -- given that they appeared to be
> unaware of the concept of "income tax."
Wow! An episode with some actual substance to it! :-)
-Frank
Helen P.
> I had seen a program about Dudley a few years back, shortly after he
> had been diagnosed with his disease. The saddest thing for me was that
> he wanted so desperately to play like he used to and could not. I
> can't imagine a greater torture to someone who could play well and
> then could not.
Play some Beethoven, then
weep for the man trapped in silence, but
laugh for the genius that couldn't be silenced.
-- Helen
Helen P.
> Given the way most of the current crop of big-name actors act, I'd like
> to see somebody else give it a try, frankly.
<g> Good point! Saying they actually act *does* stretch the truth all too
often...
-- Helen
Helen P.
> It seems likely to me that the actors are not generally hearing the
> music they are supposedly miming in many cases; the soundtrack is added
> later.
Even if they mimed perfectly, edit cuts could destroy the picture-to-music
continuity. Sometime, we may be seeing bad editing, rather than bad
acting/miming.
Julie Andrews tells an amusing tale about running all over town with huge
speakers blasting the music when she and the kids were filming the "local
color" parts of "The Sound of Music".
-- Helen
Helen P.
> So where do we put John Tesh?
"Frank H. Weeden":
> Personally? In the trash.
Or perhaps in the "deposit" line at the bank. ;-)
Frank H. Weeden
>
> Play some Beethoven, then
> weep for the man trapped in silence, but
> laugh for the genius that couldn't be silenced.
>
> -- Helen
This is really profound...
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dw...@cix.compulink.co.uk
playing to gain $25,000 for ailing maid on board ship:-
> I was surprised that a show like "The Love Boat"
> would have that much verisimilitude -- given that they appeared to be
> unaware of the concept of "income tax."
1 The ship was presumably in international waters. No tax.
2 The pianist had declared himself an agent of the maid before he
started. So if anyone, she would be the one taxed, except that
medical expenses would be deducted, so no tax.
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guy f klose
>1 The ship was presumably in international waters. No tax.
I've known a couple musicians that have played cruise gigs,
and neither had to pay tax since they weren't employed by
US corporations and weren't employed in the US.
There's also the matter of ex-pats employed by US corporations
outside of the US can earn a certain amount (the threshold used
to be US$75k about ten years ago) tax-free.
--
Guy Klose
g...@world.std.com
Frank H. Weeden
This is correct, Guy. Actually, it pertains to any US citizen
working for ANY corporation. For the four years that I worked
for a Japanese corporation, I was still required to file,
although no taxes would be assessed.
-Frank