rayburn cyber tuner vs sat
bruce melzer
has any piano tuner had experience with either the rayburn or the
sanderson accu tuner?
please tell me the pros and cons of each...
thanks, bruce
Mark Mandell
Couldn't tell you about the Rayburn cyber tuner(if that's connected with
Dean Rayburn, this is the first time I've heard that he came out with a
tuning device; I have his tuning hammer chord that I use with the SAT).
The SAT is a marvelous tuning aid well worth it's price(though maybe I
can say that having bought mine ten years ago when they were naturally
cheaper). In spite of certain glitches during this time and the
periodic maintenance needed, it's the accuracy and the storage tuning in
the computer's memory which I like. However, I've been aware for some
time that Yamaha too has an electronic tuning device. I'm sure it's
accurate(and in fact has certain models already supplied in the
memory)but I'm still partial to the SAT.
The models in recent years have an FAC feature where you plug in the
values of three notes as opposed to the one with my machine.
The one time I tried it by calling the Sanderson family in Mass. to give
them those values based on my SAT and they in turn gave me what's called
the "stretch number", I was rather disappointed in the beat rates in the
temperament section as compared to what I get with my pre-FAC model.
Also I like the freedom of determining on my own what the lower bass and
high end trouble cents values will be as opposed to having it all
pre-determined via the FAC feature.
Hope all that helps,
Mark Mandell
pTooner
Michael John Holme wrote:
> Sorry I haven't used or even heard of the Rayburn, but I have tuned
> hunrdreds of pianos with the SAT. The SAT is special because it
> adjusts
> itself to each piano, unlike say the Yamaha PT100. This means that you
>
> get a decent stretch tuning for any piano you come across. I would be
> interested to hear from anybody who has used the Rayburn, e.g. does it
>
> have an system similar to the SAT FAC. I have only ever had one
> complaint in all the pianos I have tuned with the SAT, and that was
> from
> a very fussy musician. I've had compliments from conservatoire piano
> teachers about my SAT tunings, so if they are good enough for them
> then
> they can't be bad can they ?
>
> Mike Holme
Mike, I agree that the SAT does an excellent job. I have played with
the Rayburn system only a little after seeing it demonstrated.
Basically it uses very similar software to the Sanderson, but it runs on
an Apple Laptop. It has rather unique and interesting graphics on the
screen to tune to, and I see no reason it wouldn't be just as good a
tuner as the SAT with the additional advantage of being easy to add
other tunings from disk. The drawback to me was that it is large,
heavy, and has to be plugged in. Many customers think that the machine
does the work now, and we are just there to collect the money. I
wouldn't want to do anything to heighten this impression which I think
using a laptop to tune would tend to do.
Gerry
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Keith McGavern
Michael John Holme wrote:
>
> bruce melzer wrote:
> >
> > has any piano tuner had experience with either the rayburn or the
> > sanderson accu tuner?
> > please tell me the pros and cons of each...
> > thanks, bruce
>
> Sorry I haven't used or even heard of the Rayburn, but I have tuned
> hunrdreds of pianos with the SAT. The SAT is special because it adjusts
> itself to each piano, unlike say the Yamaha PT100. This means that you
> get a decent stretch tuning for any piano you come across. I would be
Keith A. McGavern
kam...@ionet.net
Registered Piano Technician
Oklahoma Chapter 731
Piano Technicians Guild
USA
Glenn Grafton
> Michael John Holme wrote:
> >
> > bruce melzer wrote:
> > >
> > > has any piano tuner had experience with either the rayburn or the
> > > sanderson accu tuner?
> > > please tell me the pros and cons of each...
> > > thanks, bruce
> >
> > Sorry I haven't used or even heard of the Rayburn, but I have tuned
> > hunrdreds of pianos with the SAT. The SAT is special because it adjusts
> > itself to each piano, unlike say the Yamaha PT100. This means that you
> > get a decent stretch tuning for any piano you come across. I would be
> > interested to hear from anybody who has used the Rayburn...
>
> http://www.reyburn.com/
>
> Keith A. McGavern
I use the Reyburn Cyber Tuner. It's a computer program that works on a
Macintosh. It's fairly expensive, but it is the most sophisticated tuning
aid that's available. It differs from the Sanderson Acutuner in a number
of ways. The Acutuner is a small device with a circle of LED's that
"rotate" to indicate how much the tone is out of tune.
The Cyber Tuner makes use of the computer display and has a higher
resolution. There are many features that I could elaborate on, but you'd
probably be better off visiting the reyburn web site listed above. It has
quite a few nifty features, including "pitch raise" which calculates the
amount of "overpull" the note should be tuned sharp, so it will settle in
closer to the correct pitch after it settles.
Cyber Tuner runs on most Macintosh models. Most tuners use a Macintosh
laptop. I picked up a used DUO 2300 for a good price. It was developed for
the Mac due to the built in features for sound input found on all Macs.
Glenn Grafton
Grafton Piano & Organ Co.
Souderton PA
(between Philadelphia & Allentown)
(800)272-5980