THE BILL OF SALE
Michael Sayers
of sale for the prototype C-8, and to play and experience the piano
first hand. Multiple participants are welcome. A piano length
measurement device may be brought.
This person (or, the persons) can then report the what was observed to
rmmp.
No doubt someone (other than myself) who reads this group has friends
in Dallas?
M.S.
Brothermark
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regards,
Mark
Al Stevens
if that works). If you have no way or do not know how to post it, send the
scanned image to someone who does. Then tell us where it is. Then maybe all
this flapdoodle goes away.
Al Stevens
http://www.alstevens.com
"Michael Sayers" <m_sa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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John Inzer
> this flapdoodle goes away
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Sounds like an old Willie Nelson song.
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Michael Sayers
> Scan it in and post the image on a website (or attach it to a newsgroup post
> if that works). If you have no way or do not know how to post it, send the
> scanned image to someone who does. Then tell us where it is. Then maybe all
> this flapdoodle goes away.
>
> Al Stevens
> http://www.alstevens.com
It is important that the truth on all points in regard to this piano
be observed: the bill of sale, the length of the piano, the brand of
the piano (which is molded into the frame, not merely stenciled on as
some have alleged) and the model (C-8), and the tone/touch. These
things can only be done in person.
Larry P.'s and "Darius Noir"'s attestations have already been
expressed on the magnificance of the instrument, and Andrys has stated
that in the years before the piano was for sale I had consistently
described its amazing tonal qualities, but it now will take a regular
poster (or an associate of a regular poster) at rmmp to visit the
piano in person, and issue a report.
Fletcher has claimed that I bought the prototype Bernhard Steiner C-8
both "new", and for less than 15K - neither of which assertion is true
- but since Fletcher has withdrawn the claim that he spoke to Ivan
Kahn, and the claim that I was discussed, it is no longer relevant.
It is important that the truth come to light, one way or another, on
all aspects of this instrument, which can only be done in person.
This is what must now transpire, as my attempts to work around it (via
the attestations of friends) were rejected.
M.S.
Larry
>It is important that the truth on all points in regard to this piano
>be observed: the bill of sale, the length of the piano, the brand of
>the piano (which is molded into the frame, not merely stenciled on as
>some have alleged)
You seem to be having difficulty understanding the term "stencil brand". This
does not mean the brand name is "stenciled" onto the piano, in fact, most all
of them in fact do cast the brand name into the plate, and into the fallboard.
That is not what is meant by "stencil". The word "stencil" is an industry term
used to describe pianos that are built on contract by one company for another,
or for a retailer. Hyundai for example, is a stencil brand, but the name is
cast into the plate and into the fallboard. There is no Hyundai piano factory,
only a distributor selling Samick pianos under the name Hyundai. The same is
true for Bernhard Steiner. There is no Bernhard Steiner factory, only a
retailer in Texas who used to buy Samick pianos with the name Bernhard Steiner
on them.
>These things can only be done in person.
You have a website. You have a scanner. It should be no problem for you to post
the bill of sale directly onto your website, if you are so willing to show it
to potential buyers of your Samick.
>Fletcher has claimed that I bought the prototype Bernhard Steiner C-8
>both "new", and for less than 15K - neither of which assertion is true
Ah!! They didn't tell me you bought it used! I never said one way or the other
whether you bought it new or used. But thanks for telling us this.
> but since Fletcher has withdrawn the claim that he spoke to Ivan
>Kahn, and the claim that I was discussed, it is no longer relevant.
Excuse me - I never said I did or did not speak to Ivan Kahn. It was also
pointed out to you by others that it wouldn't have made any difference, since
you posted the serial number. I can do an amazing amount of research with that
alone - and it of course limits things very nicely to one specific piano. That
being of course, a grand piano built by Samick for Kahn's piano with the
stencil brand name Bernhard Steiner on it.
Stick to the facts, Sayer.
>It is important that the truth come to light, one way or another, on
>all aspects of this instrument, which can only be done in person.
>This is what must now transpire, as my attempts to work around it (via
>the attestations of friends) were rejected.
The truth has already come to light, Sayer. You may in fact be enamored with
your piano. You well may have bragged about it like this for years. My issue
with you is not whether or not you are impressed with the sound of your piano -
my issue is the fact that you have and continue to lie about the value of it,
and what it is. I know the truth, and so do many others here who have spent
most of our lives in the piano industry. Your piano was built in Korea by
Samick. It did not sell for 46K even when new, even at full list. This piano
was sold by the thousands under a variety of brand names - all cast into the
plate and into the fallboard, each stencil brand name using its own unique
model number, but standard, sequential Samick serial numbers - for around
12-14K brand new.
Stick with the truth, and I'll let you crow about how much you like the tone
all you want. Tone is subjective. Everything else is not.
Larry Fletcher
Alex Maas
> The truth has already come to light, Sayer. You may in fact be enamored with
> your piano. You well may have bragged about it like this for years. My issue
> with you is not whether or not you are impressed with the sound of your piano -
> my issue is the fact that you have and continue to lie about the value of it,
> and what it is. I know the truth, and so do many others here who have spent
> most of our lives in the piano industry. Your piano was built in Korea by
> Samick. It did not sell for 46K even when new, even at full list. This piano
> was sold by the thousands under a variety of brand names - all cast into the
> plate and into the fallboard, each stencil brand name using its own unique
> model number, but standard, sequential Samick serial numbers - for around
> 12-14K brand new.
>
> Stick with the truth, and I'll let you crow about how much you like the tone
> all you want. Tone is subjective. Everything else is not.
>
>
> Larry Fletcher
Larry, he is not interested in the truth. He is only interested in
selling his piano for an inflated price. I have to admit he is
persistent, if nothing else.
It certainly seems like he would have better luck trying to sell it
outside of this newsgroup. Everyone here knows the piano is a Samick.
Maybe somebody loves Samicks enough to want this piano.
For the life of me, I cannot understand why someone cannot understand
what a stencil brand piano is. Geez, if I wanted to, I bet even I
could order a minimal set of pianos from a manufacturer and have my
name engraved on the name plate from certain Chinese piano makers.
Maybe I could even just order one--that would be sort of cool. I need
to write to the Heintzman factory.
Why anyone could think there would be a buyer for this Samick piano at
this price, I have absolutely no idea. For the same money, one can
buy tons of good pianos from reputable dealers. I cannot understand
why someone who posts chess moves in a piano newsgroup has such a hard
time understanding his piano has little value.
Then again, one who cannot understand comparing Yamaha pianos to
Korean pianos in general must have a hard time with a lot of concepts.
Dave Zappa
"Alex Maas" <a.m...@att.net> wrote in message
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> Larry, he is not interested in the truth. He is only interested in
> selling his piano for an inflated price.
I don't thing that's it Alex. He's interested in trolling the newsgroup and
putting his "word a day" desk calendar to good use. I, much like Gerry, get
entertainment value only from these posts. I believe Larry derives more
entertainment value than most and must thank him for allowing the show to go
on. I wouldn't go to a piano recital of Michaels, but if he ever were to
debate someone.. anyone, on ANY topic.. I am THERE!
DZ
Cy Shuster
"Dave Zappa" <dzappaS...@kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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I'm with you. What was it about bringing a "piano dimensional measuring
device"? Does he write for the military or something?
ptooner
> what a stencil brand piano is. Geez, if I wanted to, I bet even I
> could order a minimal set of pianos from a manufacturer and have my
> name engraved on the name plate from certain Chinese piano makers.
> Maybe I could even just order one--that would be sort of cool. I need
> to write to the Heintzman factory.
and have any name you wanted put on them. That was when Kamann distributed
them.
Gerry
Thomas Seay
"Cy Shuster" <c...@example.com> wrote:
> I'm with you. What was it about bringing a "piano dimensional measuring
> device"? Does he write for the military or something?
Could be, since he priced his piano in the same fashion that the
military prices hammers and toilet seats.
tc3
Jolly
Beijing Piano, I believe. Your choice, grand or vertical.
Tom Shaw
products based on the extensive Qualification Testing and paper work which
is required by the Military Procurement guys. AFAIK the only company which
got away with selling a non-militarized product to the military was
Hewlett-Packard.
TS
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ptooner
"Tom Shaw" <a000...@airmail.net> wrote in message
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> Not quite. He made up the price. The military suppliers price their
> products based on the extensive Qualification Testing and paper work which
> is required by the Military Procurement guys. AFAIK the only company
which
> got away with selling a non-militarized product to the military was
> Hewlett-Packard.
> TS
improved it's procurement system. However, I have to tell this story.
Approximately 30 years ago I was involved in developing the automatic
carrier landing system for the Navy. I spent quite a while on an aircraft
carrier where I ran into this problem. The ACLS system used lots of common
chips, one I remember being a dual jk flipflop. Now the difference between
a Milspec flipflop and a radio shack flipflop was that the milspec one was
tested. There were two different sources for the milspec chip depending on
which aircraft type it was ordered for. One source was approximately $70
and the other was nearly $700. Radio Shack was $1.99. (Same manufacturer)
Now we had an onboard coffee group that made a small profit on coffee and
snacks. We had great difficulty in getting the chips through the normal
sources due largely to cost. Eventually we devised a system that when
anyone went on leave they took a shopping list for chips from radio shack
which was funded out of our coffee mess. The really strange thing is we had
the multi-million dollar testing equipment in our lab on the ship to do the
same testing that the government was paying such a high price to the
supplier to do.
Gerry
John Miller
> Not quite. He made up the price. The military suppliers price their
> products based on the extensive Qualification Testing and paper work which
> is required by the Military Procurement guys. AFAIK the only company
> which got away with selling a non-militarized product to the military was
> Hewlett-Packard.
I would imagine, and only half joking, that the old-line HP stuff was pretty
much mil-spec in its civilian version.
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John Miller, N4VU
My email address: Domain, n4vu.com; username, jsm
You can't break eggs without making an omelet.
H. Emmerson Meyers
regarded as a trademark infringement.
"ptooner" <no...@yourlife.com> wrote in message
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Cy Shuster
"H. Emmerson Meyers" <vkr...@starpower.net> wrote in message
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> Would it be ok to put a label with thename Stineway on it or would this be
> regarded as a trademark infringement.
Don't know, but Estonia had to remove the lyre from their first logo: too
similar.
--Cy--