Baldwin vs. Samick vs.....? What should I buy?!?!
joesao
I'm new to the world of pianos and I'm having a really hard time
deciding which one to buy, and I'd like to get some help from you
experts out there, so please bear with me.
A week ago I asked that question on whether the Samick WSU 121SD was
any good. Well today I went to another local dealer, Florida Piano, who
carries Baldwins.
The salesman wasn't making any effort to sell, and stressed the
construction of the Baldwin over and over when what I really wanted to
hear was the sound. In the end, I listened to an E250 Hamilton upright
which sounded lovely.
Let me first state my objectives: I want to play the piano very well. I
used to play but haven't played in over 10 years. I have to restart and
I only have room (and budget) for a good quality upright.
So I start searching the landscape and I'm completely lost: On one side
are the Yamahas and Korean pianos and on the other the Americans.
I've read that horrifying post "Beware of Baldwin" which really scared
the sh*t out of me. On the other hand, I really didn't read anything
really bad about the Samick.
This is the deal. The Baldwin, as far as I can tell (remember, I'm
nearly brand new to this) is the following:
1. #1 seller
2. Recommended by everyone, with an impressive list of artists
3. Crappy management
4. *UGLY* cabinets (this I saw for myself)
5. A lot of controversy out there
The Samick World Series WSU 121SD (I refer to this specific model
because it appears to be quite another beast when compared to other
Samicks) would be:
1. Unknown
2. Recommended by my salesperson who wants to sell it (at Hale Piano)
and Rick who likes Koreans ;-)
3. ?
4. *BEATUIFUL* cabinet
5. A lot of controversy out there
So I'm confused. I never thought buying a piano was this hard. I
thought it would be a no-brainer -- buy a Steinway, period. Thing is, I
can't find any Steinway uprights. A Boston? Sure. Nobody here (South
Florida) carries them, and dealers tell me the Koreans make them. So
what's the point.
I really didn't like the Yamahas. They sound too metallic, brassy --- I
want to learn to play Chopin, Debussy, and I want a fuller, more
classical sound.
The Baldwin dealer told me that the Samick doesn't have a solid
soundboard. He said it has a 3-piece reinforced soundboard, and that's
why it has a lifetime warranty. He also told me it doesn't have a
Renner Action, but rather a Renner TYPE action. In addition, he pointed
out that the Baldwin plate is SAND cast instead of injection molded,
and somehow that makes all the difference in the world. Then he told me
that Samick has to make a good-looking cabinet, better looking than
anybody's to be able to sell it (like it's putting on make-up).
So I'm confused. One friend of mine who's a near-pro cello player and
pianist tells me that all this is crap, that I should go with my gut
feeling. Of course there will be disgruntled buyers on both sides, but
I want to hear your expert opinions out there...I'm lost, dazed, and
this thing is turning out to be a lot more complicated than I expected.
No big problem, but it seems that the piano landscape is rugged, with
no signs, directions, or clearly marked paths... help, anyone?
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imports. They look good but have a short lifespan. Try Story & Clark
or Charles Walters or something. Buy American, or restore American!
Best quality and designs.
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DS
many dealers in the U.S now, and the clear, bell-like sound quality is
reminscent of fine German pianos. It depends on the kind of music you
play... but American pianos nowadays are expensive and not really of the
quality they should be, with the exception of Mason & Hamlin and Steinway.
At least this is what I have heard said, and I have found the Baldwin pianos
I've looked at heavy and unsatifsying. Samick is (now) an unfortunately
degraded make, entirely factory made. Petrof is made and regulated by hand,
yet cost is comparable to Kawai or Yamaha.
I'm sure these comments will engender controversy, but perhaps it will make
you look more, which is to the good. Don't respond to pressure. Listen and
feel... the piano itself will tell you if it's right for you.
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Rick Clark
>Personally, I would recommend a European piano, such as a Petrof.
Fair enough.
>There are
>many dealers in the U.S now,
Yup.
> and the clear, bell-like sound quality is
>reminscent of fine German pianos.
They don't sound like bells to me. Anyone should utterly reject any
piano that sounded like a bell. And since different German pianos have
different kinds of tone, how can a Petrof sound "German"? Do they
sound like Bluthner? Schimmel? Which German piano do they sound like?
>It depends on the kind of music you
>play...
Really? Different brands are capable only of playing certain kinds of
music?
> but American pianos nowadays are expensive and not really of the
>quality they should be, with the exception of Mason & Hamlin and Steinway.
What about Charles R Walter and Astin-Weight? You think they are not
of adequate quality? What's wrong with them?
>At least this is what I have heard said,
Ah.
> Samick is (now) an unfortunately
>degraded make, entirely factory made.
Samick improves every year, so they are the opposite of degraded.
All pianos are entirely factory made.
>Petrof is made and regulated by hand,
All pianos including Petrof are made by combination of industrial and
hand processes. How many are machine assisted or automated, and how
many are by hand tell you nothing of quality, because some of the
worse defects you will see in the world's cheapest pianos are a result
of "hand processes" done poorly. On the other hand, where robots are
used, the quality of the work tends to be consistently very high.
All pianos are regulated by hand.
>
>I'm sure these comments will engender controversy
Maybe that's because they are largely incorrect.
> but perhaps it will make
>you look more, which is to the good.
Maybe.
> Don't respond to pressure.
Agreed.
>Listen and
>feel... the piano itself will tell you if it's right for you.
He's new to pianos. He doesn't know how to judge them. That's why he's
here asking, and that's why I'm attempting to correct the bad info.
Rick Clark
Barrie Heaton
writes
>At least this is what I have heard said, and I have found the Baldwin pianos
>I've looked at heavy and unsatifsying. Samick is (now) an unfortunately
I was told that Baldwins were moving the main production to the Samick
factory and the US plant would be just a screw driver plant not a
manufacturing plant all the parts and most of the assembly done over
seas.
Barrie,
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Rick Clark
> I was told that Baldwins were moving the main production to the Samick
> factory
Hey! Then let me be the first one to say "BALDWICK"!!
I said it first! Everyone remember, now!
hehe.
Rick Clark
Don
wrote:
> In message <t9rsoge...@corp.supernews.com>, DS <io...@speakeasy.net>
> writes
>>At least this is what I have heard said, and I have found the Baldwin pianos
>>I've looked at heavy and unsatifsying. Samick is (now) an unfortunately
>
>
> I was told that Baldwins were moving the main production to the Samick
> factory and the US plant would be just a screw driver plant not a
> manufacturing plant all the parts and most of the assembly done over
> seas.
That will be a SAD day for the Baldwin name.
D*
"Government doesn't work. It doesn't keep our streets safe and it doesn't educate our children. Government is good at
only one thing: It breaks your legs, hands you a pair of crutches, and says, 'See, without us you wouldn't be able to walk.”
- - - - - Harry Browne
Larry
>> factory and the US plant would be just a screw driver plant not a
>> manufacturing plant all the parts and most of the assembly done over
>> seas.
>
>That will be a SAD day for the Baldwin name.
>
>
>D*
Does anyone know any of this to be for certain? I sure haven't heard anything
about it from any of my usual info sources.
Larry Fletcher
Pianos Inc
Atlanta GA
Dealer/technician
Doing the work of three men.....Larry, Curly, & Moe
Http://www.pianosinc.net
res097f2
Richard Galassini
>It was in Baldwin web site
>
>
Uuuhhh....Which website was that? I couldn't find it in Baldwin website.
BTW, I have heard this before in the form of Samick buying Baldwin, but it was
ONLY A RUMOR.
Did the original poster mean that many of the Baldwin products (Wurlitzer?) are
being made in Korea by Samick? This is true.
Richard Galassini
Cunningham Piano Co
Phila,. Pa.
1 (800) 394-1117
URL:http://www.hometown.aol.com/voce88/cunn.html
Barrie Heaton
Galassini <voc...@aol.comspammie> writes
The info I was given was that Samick was to take over production of
the finishing department for all uprights to start with, as it is
cheaper to do the polyester overseas because of US environmental laws
and labour cost. In the long term _all uprights_ will be
manufactured overseas.
res097f2
Duane Kimble Named President of Baldwin
February 28, 2001 1:00:00 PM ET
MASON, Ohio--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Feb. 28, 2001--Baldwin Piano & Organ Company
BPAO announced today that Karen L. Hendricks, chairman and chief executive
officer, plans to step down as CEO in November 2001.
She will, however, remain on Baldwin's board of directors. Ms. Hendricks,
who has led Baldwin since 1994, has overseen a complete restructuring of
piano manufacturing operations and the divestiture of several non-core
businesses.
The company also announced that Duane D. Kimble, 40, Baldwin's chief
financial officer, has been appointed to the additional post of president
effective immediately. The title of president was previously held by Ms.
Hendricks.
Baldwin said that the January 2001 divestiture of its Contract Electronics
Division gave Ms. Hendricks the contractual right to step down as chief
executive officer, and she has exercised that right. Ms. Hendricks also has
informed the board that she is prepared to extend her departure through
January 2002, should the board need additional time to facilitate this
transition.
Ms. Hendricks said, "Baldwin is once again focused solely on the business
that built the company's reputation as a maker and marketer of fine pianos
for nearly 140 years. The goal of restoring Baldwin to profitability is
close at hand, and the board and I agree that this arrangement provides
ample time to ensure a smooth, well-planned transfer of chief executive
responsibilities."
Ms. Hendricks noted that she is looking forward to spending more time with
her husband, who is retired, and devoting more of her time to public service
and educational responsibilities such as her position as a trustee of the
Ohio State University.
Commenting on Mr. Kimble's appointment, Ms. Hendricks added, "Duane Kimble
has been my strong right hand throughout the extraordinary transition
Baldwin has undergone over the past several years. He is the principal
architect behind Baldwin's efforts to sharply reduce the substantial debt
that has burdened this company. Today's appointment recognizes the important
contribution he continues to make to Baldwin's future success."
Mr. Kimble joined Baldwin in 1998 to oversee strategic planning and was
named CFO later that year. Before joining Baldwin, Mr. Kimble had been
director of financial and operations analysis for Texas-based Equistar
Chemicals. Prior to Equistar, he held a variety of key financial positions
with Cincinnati-based Millennium Petrochemicals, Inc. Mr. Kimble was a CPA
with Price Waterhouse and is a graduate of Miami University of Ohio.
Baldwin Piano & Organ Company, the maker of America's best selling pianos,
has marketed keyboard musical products for nearly 140 years.
"Safe Harbor" statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act
of 1995: This release contains forward looking statements that are subject
to risk and uncertainties, including, but not limited to, the impact of
competitive products and pricing, product demand and market acceptance,
reliance on key strategic alliances, fluctuations in operating results and
other risks detailed from time to time in the company's filing with the
Securities and Exchange Commission.
© 2001 BusinessWire
Msorgano
Korean or Japaese piano. Maufacturers themselves do not recommend them for
more than 20 years and technicians usually don't recommend them in heavy use
for more than 5 years.
As for the Petrof or new Eastern European piano-- they have no track record.
And for richness of sound and touch, nothing beats a Baldwin!
Larry
>No comparison. Any Baldwin vertical piano will outperform and out last any
>Korean or Japaese piano. Maufacturers themselves do not recommend them for
>more than 20 years and technicians usually don't recommend them in heavy use
>for more than 5 years.
>
It is obvious that you sell Baldwins by the propaganda you have written,
straight out of a Baldwin sales pitch. I hate to be the one to bring you into
the real world, but once you get past the outright lies (no Asian manufacturer
has ever said their pianos won't last past 20 years, and technicians don't
"usually" go around telling people they won't last more than 5 years) -once you
get past these outright lies, you are left with a few problems in your
statement. You see, unfortunately for your argument, your apparent choice
*does* have a track record, and it's been suffering from it as of late.
>As for the Petrof or new Eastern European piano-- they have no track
>record.
>And for richness of sound and touch, nothing beats a Baldwin!
>
Another piece of propaganda. They *do* have a track record. But what difference
does this make anyway? Is it your belief that until a piano has been around for
a hundred years or so it cannot be depended on? You'd better hope there is
better methods than this for determining the worthiness of a piano, else it
works against you. The only thing "old with a track record" in regards to
Baldwin is the name. One could just as easily say *your* pick jas no track
record, seeing as how the first pianos the current incarnation of the brand
ever built was in 1987. Nased on your logic, people shouldn't consider a
Baldwin for about another 86 years or so.
As for touch and tone, I see your opinion, and you are entitled to it. But this
is a very subjective area, and not one that any one piano can win. And a far
larger group disagrees with your opinion than agrees. You just cannot support
the rigid stance that *nothing* beats a Baldwin.
If you're *not* a salesman, stick around a while - you might learn something.
Dave Zappa
"Msorgano" <msor...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Let me give you some advice msorgano. First of all there are a number of
highly qualified and respected industry veterans who post here everyday.
There are even more who just "lurk" I suspect. Your committment to
representing the piano you sell is admirable, but the manner in which you
express that committment absolutely needs to be changed here in the group,
and I would hope your presentation of Baldwin would be changed on the floor
to consumers (take my advice, anyone who has done any reseach at all is
going to see right through this BS and you're going to lose more deals than
you gain).
Secondly, as a piano salesperson posting to this group you might want to
represent yourself as such in future posts, especially if you become a
regular contributer to this group. You are entitled to your opinions, the
great thing about this group is that there are enough knowledgeable people
here with valid opinions that a person wanting information about the piano
industry can gain it here. The above statement however is not opinion, it
is fabrication and exaggeration. Negative sales tactics do not work on the
salesfloor and they certainly don't work here. If you are fairly new to the
industry (which I suspect) you might want to stick around and you'll learn
some things about the industry and how to improve your presentations to
consumers to help you get more sales and earn more money.
If you want to represent Baldwin in it's best light tell us why Baldwin is a
good piano to consider, not why the other pianos that are available should
not be considered. The only statement in your entire post that I would even
consider an opinion worth considering is your last, and as Larry mentioned
tone and touch is subjective so what is true for you (if you do indeed
believe that) is not true for everyone.
Please take these comments as constructive critisism, and I hope that you
continue to participate in the group. Thanks! and welcome aboard.
Dave
dppeterson
D
"Dave Zappa" <dza...@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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Richard Galassini
I respectfully disagree.
ANY Baldwin upright will not outperform ANY Samick upright. IMHO, there are
several Samick uprights (verticals) that I would happily choose over some of
the current Baldwins - that goes for the Petrof and Estonia as well.
Were you aware that some Samicks now use Renner actions & Kluge keys?
my 2 cents.
Don
wrote:
>>
>>No comparison. Any Baldwin vertical piano will outperform and out last any
>>Korean or Japaese piano. Maufacturers themselves do not recommend them for
>>more than 20 years and technicians usually don't recommend them in heavy use
>>for more than 5 years.
>>
>>As for the Petrof or new Eastern European piano-- they have no track
>>record.
>>And for richness of sound and touch, nothing beats a Baldwin!
>
>I respectfully disagree.
>
>ANY Baldwin upright will not outperform ANY Samick upright. IMHO, there are
>several Samick uprights (verticals) that I would happily choose over some of
>the current Baldwins - that goes for the Petrof and Estonia as well.
How many 30-year old Samick uprights have you ever seen?
How many 30-year old Baldwin uprights have you seen, still in
wonderful condition? I know of MANY all across the USA, still being
used daily/weekly in homes, schools and churches.
(Educated guess follows) From what I have seen of Samick, even the
top-of-the-line will not be playable in 20 years.
I could be wrong but the Baldwins are still out there, still being
used daily.
D*
"We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society." (Hillary Clinton, 1993)
"Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all." (Nikita Khrushchev , February 25, 1956 20th
Congress of the Communist Party)
Dave Zappa
> How many 30-year old Samick uprights have you ever seen?
None, they just started importing 20 years ago. The 20 year old Samicks
were not as good as the Samicks from 10 years ago which aren't as good as
the Samicks of today.
> How many 30-year old Baldwin uprights have you seen, still in
> wonderful condition? I know of MANY all across the USA, still being
> used daily/weekly in homes, schools and churches.
Lots of them. 30 years ago Baldwin was building a respectable vertical
piano.
> (Educated guess follows) From what I have seen of Samick, even the
> top-of-the-line will not be playable in 20 years.
Biased opinion, based on some highly over-used and under-maintained pianos.
Put a M in a club, let someone bang on the thing night after night with a
tech out once a year and see what happens.
> I could be wrong but the Baldwins are still out there, still being
> used daily.
Yep, and 30 years from now you won't be saying that about Baldwin verticals
built today. I don't think I'll get much argument when I state that since
1980 Samick has improved their product exponetially while Baldwin has taken
a HUGE step backwards (esp. in their verticals).
> "We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is
best for society." (Hillary Clinton, 1993)
> "Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and
for all." (Nikita Khrushchev , February 25, 1956 20th
> Congress of the Communist Party)
I love that quote...what the F*** is that woman doing in the Senate??!!!
Are New Yorkers that friggin stupid??? Oh Jeez, stop me before I start
ranting.......
Pcaorwb
Baldwin fan, but really enjoyed their old studio uprights in school during the
60's. They were old warhorses to me and were fun to play. They seemed to go
downhill somewhat when they introduced that model (in the 70's?) where you
lifted the entire front, exposing the hammers and strings--I thought the action
was terrible and they were a bear to play.
About eight years ago, I did have a beautiful mint condition 7ft that
supposedly belonged to the Late Ozan Marsh, but the action was so heavy I only
kept it for about two years. The tone was awsome, though. Before I had some
regulation work done on it, it was somewhere around 80+ g.
I eventually traded it in on a new 9ft Concert Artist Grand and it seems to be
very good. Maybe it doesn't have that Steinway "mystique" and prestige, but
it's no slouch either. Not to be a snob, but to those of you who haven't
played on a 7ft or larger grand (no brand specified), you're in for a treat.
These larger monstrosities have a character all their own. The sustain, power
and sensitivity/response will just blow you away.
Mine's been covered for about the last two years, been to busy spanking
myHammond C3 and the B3 at church every Sunday. If I keep up with the threads
here, I'll uncover the piano and get back into the Scarlotti, Schubert, Haydn,
Debussy, etc (oops, can't forget Bach).
It's sad to see where Baldwin is heading. I haven't keep up with the threads
regularly, so I don't know if they've been "rescued" or not. The dealer here
in Tucson sold out to someone else, and I don't know if the new owners are even
carrying the Baldwin brand anymore.
Don
<dza...@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>"Don" <calldo...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
>> How many 30-year old Samick uprights have you ever seen?
>
>None, they just started importing 20 years ago. The 20 year old Samicks
>were not as good as the Samicks from 10 years ago which aren't as good as
>the Samicks of today.
I know that. Still, my point is that older Baldwins have a proven
track record. Samicks do not!
>> How many 30-year old Baldwin uprights have you seen, still in
>> wonderful condition? I know of MANY all across the USA, still being
>> used daily/weekly in homes, schools and churches.
>
>Lots of them. 30 years ago Baldwin was building a respectable vertical
>piano.
>
>> (Educated guess follows) From what I have seen of Samick, even the
>> top-of-the-line will not be playable in 20 years.
>
>Biased opinion, based on some highly over-used and under-maintained pianos.
Are you talking about MY opinion? Who said they are over-used and
under-maintained?
I havent played a Samick which I think will hold-up under even average
conditions for a long period of time.
>> "We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is
>best for society." (Hillary Clinton, 1993)
>> "Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and
>for all." (Nikita Khrushchev , February 25, 1956 20th
>> Congress of the Communist Party)
>
>I love that quote...what the F*** is that woman doing in the Senate??!!!
>Are New Yorkers that friggin stupid??? Oh Jeez, stop me before I start
>ranting.......
>
I think even some New Yorkers are beginning to regret it.
D*
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Larry
>conditions for a long period of time.
I have a customer who has a 7' Samick in a club. It gets played hard 4 nights a
week in a live jazz piano bar. He bought it new in the early '80s. It lasted
until about 6 years ago, when he had us bring it in and hang a set of Renner
hammers in it.
It gets tuned 4 times a year, regulation as needed, voiced as needed, twice so
far. Plays like a dream, and sounds great. The action has held up just fine,
and in spite of the hard use it gets, tuning stability is rock solid.
>I think even some New Yorkers are beginning to regret it.
>
>D*
I think we ought to kick New York out of the Union until they fix that mess....
Eric Gloo
>....what the F*** is that woman doing in the
>Senate??!!! Are New Yorkers that friggin
>stupid??? Oh Jeez, stop me before I start
>ranting.......
and Larry Fletcher wrote:
>I think we ought to kick New York out of the
>Union until they fix that mess....
OK! OK! You guys just wanted me to respond, didn't you?!!! If it's any
consolation, Hillary's approval rating in New York State is now at 33%
-- I beg your pardon.
So, kick us out of the Union. We'll take the rest of the north with us
and start Civil War II -- and, we'll win again. :)
Since this is a Baldwin thread, let me add this. Wasn't Baldwin doing
better when the Clintons lived in Arkansas?
Eric Gloo
Piano Technician
Don
I don't think you are aware that congress is already threatening to
remove Florida from the Union because of the election problems! <gr>
Also, remember that the Civil War was fought because of state's
rights. I don't think that New York can really be removed from the
Union based upon voter-stupidity...otherwise most of the USA would
have been removed after re-electing Klinton four-years ago.
Regarding the Klintons living in Arkansas, remember that inflation was
over 20% when Bill was the governor. I was living in Little Rock and
could not buy a car because the interest rate was 25% in the entire
state when Bill was the governor. Regarding Baldwin, Arkansas voters
were just glad to have Bill and Billary move AWAY from the state.
Baldwin had their own problems.
Andrew Davis
> were just glad to have Bill and Billary move AWAY from the state.
I forgot...why do we hate Hillary so much? Maybe I'm simply being naive,
but to me she seems like a decent, hard working, honest woman who has raised
a lovely daughter and kept her family together inspite of being married to a
philanderer. Am I missing something?
Tom Shaw
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Tim
Tim
> I love that quote...what the F*** is that woman doing in the Senate??!!!
"President Clinton all over again" ever occur to you? scary thought.
@#$@#$@#$%^$%#@
> Are New Yorkers that friggin stupid???
what do you think????
Dave Zappa
>
> Are you talking about MY opinion? Who said they are over-used and
> under-maintained?
>
> I havent played a Samick which I think will hold-up under even average
> conditions for a long period of time.
Yes, and I apologize for basing a counter point on my perception of what
your anti-Samick/Korean bias is based on. I am under the impression that
you are a pianist who plays lite gigs in resturants and the like. Most of
the Samicks (and quite frankly nearly every other piano I've ever been in
contact with) in that situation are under maintained and over-used.
I guess the meat of my point is you are correct, older Samicks do not have a
great track record - however, I think the tables are turning and you will
find the Samicks built today lasting longer and holding up better than the
Baldwin's of today (vertically speaking that is).
Ain't it "grand" to have such a open and "upright" discussion while
remaining adults?
:-) DZ
*I'm off to Napster now to get some music :::putting on bandana and eye
patch:::: Arrrgggg Maties! Prepare to be boarded!!!*
Dave Zappa
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Richard Galassini
>How many 30-year old Samick uprights have you ever seen?
>
>How many 30-year old Baldwin uprights have you seen, still in
>wonderful condition? I know of MANY all across the USA, still being
>used daily/weekly in homes, schools and churches.
>
>(Educated guess follows) From what I have seen of Samick, even the
>top-of-the-line will not be playable in 20 years.
>
>I could be wrong but the Baldwins are still out there, still being
>used daily.
>
>D*
>
>
>
Howdy - There were no Samick pianos (as far as I know - I was 5 then) in the
States 30 years ago, but I understand your point.
Unfortunately, Baldwin ISN'T the same piano as it was 30 years ago - also
Samick isn't the same piano as they were when their first instruments hit our
shores were either.
Good educated guess - but things change, Don. Don't shoot the messenger - I
just call it the way I see it.
Richard Galassini
>Dave Zappa, Caucasian, 180, Methodist, no affiliation except NOT Democrat OR
>Republican, I think most people drive like pussies, esophogial stricture, U1
Hmmm......rec.music.makers.piano.dating.service.4.Dave ?????
Don
Dave...I LOVE it!!!
D*
Not Demo or Repub either.
'Do not cip your hair at the temples, nor trim the edges of your beard"
leviticus 19:27
Don
wrote:
>>
>>Dave Zappa, Caucasian, 180, Methodist, no affiliation except NOT Democrat OR
>>Republican, I think most people drive like pussies, esophogial stricture, U1
>
>Hmmm......rec.music.makers.piano.dating.service.4.Dave ?????
>Richard Galassini
Sometimes LOVE just happens when you least expect it!
D*
Fritz Owens
Fritz Owens
President
Fritz Owens Studios, Inc.
4819 Walmsley Ave.
New Orleans, LA 70125
Phone: 504-865-7027
Fax: 504-865-9630
Web Site: http://www.owensstudios.com
http://www.owensstudios.net
http://www.owensstudios.org
E-mail: fritz...@home.com
fritz...@bigfoot.com
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Don
<dza...@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>"Don" <calldo...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:6547A905A38E9F35.B09F5661...@lp.airnews.net...
>>
>> Are you talking about MY opinion? Who said they are over-used and
>> under-maintained?
>>
>> I havent played a Samick which I think will hold-up under even average
>> conditions for a long period of time.
>
>Yes, and I apologize for basing a counter point on my perception of what
>your anti-Samick/Korean bias is based on. I am under the impression that
>you are a pianist who plays lite gigs in resturants and the like. Most of
>the Samicks (and quite frankly nearly every other piano I've ever been in
>contact with) in that situation are under maintained and over-used.
Yes...most of what you say it true. However, I played one YC for over
three years. It took monthly visits from he technician just to keep
it half-way playing. It, and several others in town like it, were all
junk pianos. They were consistently bad!!!
Currently I have been playing a low-end, short Yamahahaha grand (with
only two pedals) in a restaurant one night per week. The piano is
played over 4 hours seven nights each week by some heavy-handed
pianists who really give it a work-out. The piano is around
four-years old and has been played every night for four-years. The
piano has held its tuning and the action has been consistently
perfect. It is a joy to play...even as short as it is...it still
sounds really nice.
The YC would have fallen apart, much like the following example...
I also play a new Wurlitzer grand on Friday nights. The Wurlitzer is
only about one year old and is falling apart already. The action has
had to be worked on several times. The piano will NOT hold a tuning
over a couple of days. The owner is REALLY regretting spending the
money on it. His plans are to replace it with a S&S 7' grand.
>Ain't it "grand" to have such a open and "upright" discussion while
>remaining adults?
Please do NOT accuse me of being an adult. I am trying to hide
THAT!!!
Don
wrote:
>Why not BaldSam? Or Winick? <G>
>
>Fritz Owens
>President
>Fritz Owens Studios, Inc.
>4819 Walmsley Ave.
>New Orleans, LA 70125
>Phone: 504-865-7027
> Fax: 504-865-9630
>
>Web Site: http://www.owensstudios.com
> http://www.owensstudios.net
> http://www.owensstudios.org
>E-mail: fritz...@home.com
> fritz...@bigfoot.com
>
>COMING SOON! LIVE ONLINE POPULAR PIANO LESSONS
> BY THE ORIGINAL CHORD SYSTEM.
> GUARANTEED RESULTS!
>
"THE ORIGINAL CHORD SYSTEM???"
Can you document its originality???
I have been teaching "chords" (among other things) for over thirty
years. Was this system developed before that?
Don
wrote:
>On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 19:30:30 GMT, Fritz Owens <fritz...@home.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Why not BaldSam? Or Winick? <G>
>>
>>Fritz Owens
>>President
>>Fritz Owens Studios, Inc.
>>4819 Walmsley Ave.
>>New Orleans, LA 70125
>>Phone: 504-865-7027
>> Fax: 504-865-9630
>>
>>Web Site: http://www.owensstudios.com
>> http://www.owensstudios.net
>> http://www.owensstudios.org
>>E-mail: fritz...@home.com
>> fritz...@bigfoot.com
>>
>>COMING SOON! LIVE ONLINE POPULAR PIANO LESSONS
>> BY THE ORIGINAL CHORD SYSTEM.
>> GUARANTEED RESULTS!
>>
>"THE ORIGINAL CHORD SYSTEM???"
>
>Can you document its originality???
>
>I have been teaching "chords" (among other things) for over thirty
>years. Was this system developed before that?
>
Nevermind...I read the web site. Good job.
Now tell me why there is an interstate-highway in Hawaii?