32 note polyphony
Jan Nijhuis
digital pianos say in the fine and not-so-fine print that "64 note maximum
polyphony" or words to that effect. Indeed, a piano like the Yamaha P-200
has "64 note max" -- each of the stereo piano samples are (you guessed it)
32. That does not make this a bad instrument, but it is a limitation. I
think pretty much any serious digital piano on the market today will have 64
note max. But what I'd be more concerned about is how does it sound. If you
had a piano with 128 note poly, but the sound was "somewhat lacking" would
you want to play that instrument?
By the way, the Clavinova CLP-30 I had before the P-200 had a _remarkable_
16 note poly. -- and I was impressed. Well, it served me well for 12 years,
but boy did I notice the dropouts!
Simon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am a novice piano player looking for a digital piano for the usual
> reasons. I am curious as to what is a reasonable number of notes that a
> average pianist can play. There are digital pianos touting 32 note
> polyphony to 128 but I wonder if a average person really needs anything
> more than 32. We only have 10 fingers & even with the damper pedal
> depressed, is it possible to hold 32 notes ? On this subject, is there
> any way for a novice player to test a claim that the piano supports say
> 32 note polyphony. I have tried using the damper pedal & playing a
> scale up & down but I doubt I even reached 15 notes before the first few
> notes start to fade off.
>
> If I can find a good pianist to test, is there any recomended piece that
> can test a digital pianos polyphony level.
>
> Regards
--
Jan Nijhuis
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Simon
Bob Cardone
In Today's market I wouldn't buy anything new less than 64
Bob Cardone
Michael Brago
still had it in me to practice. It served that function, but was
frustrating when I discovered that, at least for the Suzuki, that meant that
I could scarcely use the damper pedals through even a measure without the
sound disappearing--the notes one has already struck counted as part of the
32 notes! Just playing a single note tune with chordal accompaniment, you
won't need more than the usual number of fingers (ten, except for Lazar
Berman) to exceed your limit fast. When I found myself leaving notes out
just so I could get the correct sustaining effect, I knew it was time to
move up, equipment-wise. Playing is fun, and you won't remain a novice
long. If you plan to play classical music or jazz, get 128 note (or more if
you can find it) polyphony. --Michael Brago
jag...@webtv.net
About the 32 note polyphony, you are right. A person may never come
NEAR the 32 note maximum. We only have 10 fingers.
If you are a composer working with music software, however, it is
then that you might be concerned with reaching the maximum. Lets say you
wanted to write an orchestral piece. Well, you need a violin 1 part, a
violin 2 part, viola, trumpet, etc. All those notes together might reach
max polyphony.
But if you are simply playing a piano, 32 note poly is more than
enough. Although, I think the standard for many keyboards made these
days is becoming 64 np. Good luck.
jag
jag...@webtv.net
jag
Larisa Migachyov
> Hi Simon,
> About the 32 note polyphony, you are right. A person may never come
> NEAR the 32 note maximum. We only have 10 fingers.
And 10 toes, and a nose, and ...
--
Larisa Migachyov http://www.stanford.edu/~lvm
Don
>Hi Simon,
> About the 32 note polyphony, you are right. A person may never come
>NEAR the 32 note maximum. We only have 10 fingers.
That is IRRELEVANT.
When you run a simple scale and HOLD THE PEDAL DOWN, you will quickly
run out of notes. If you run the scale in octaves, you will run out
of notes in TWO octaves.
> But if you are simply playing a piano, 32 note poly is more than
>enough.
OBVIOUSLY you have NEVER played on a digital piano. Or you play only
very simple tunes. 32 note-poly is NOT enough for most music. Even
64 note-poly suffers.
My first digital piano was a WERSI which had 64 note polyphony YEARS
at the time Japanese pianos had 15 and occasionally 32. It was very
good at playing notes MOST of the time. I have a module with only 32
note polyphony. I can always hear the difference.
D*
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beginner -- and you'll find that only the beginner instruments have
32-note polyphony. It's unfortunate that you can't buy a 32-note
polyphonic instrument and add memory to it as your skills advance.
However, my Yamaha CVP-96 has 64-note polyphony. I do a LOT of work
with MIDIs. I also play some pretty advanced pieces with orchestra
accompaniment, and I've NEVER heard notes drop out prematurely. I would
agree that in theory 64-note polyphony would seem to be marginal, but
I've not experienced any problems with it.
Wally
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no hands.
Al Stevens
>run out of notes. If you run the scale in octaves, you will run out
>of notes in TWO octaves.
>OBVIOUSLY you have NEVER played on a digital piano.
Well, I've owned several and played many more. Obviously you've never played
a Roland RD-500. My RD-500 claims to have 28-note polyphony, and it does not
exhibit the behavior you describe. What exactly do you mean by "run out of
notes?" All the notes keep sustaining and are audible during a sustained
gliss. Or, if they aren't, Roland has developed an interesting algorithm for
creating the illusion that they are.
>Or you play only very simple tunes. 32 note-poly is NOT enough for most
music. Even
>64 note-poly suffers.
I play what is possible given one pedal, 88 notes, ten fingers, and whatever
ability I can muster. What do you mean by "most music?" Surely not "most
piano music."
I think the mistake many people make is to try to take the multitimbral tone
generator feature of their keyboards seriously. I've yet to see a digital
piano with good action and good piano samples and yet that does a decent job
with the other nonpiano samples. If you want to sequence a symphony, get a
good external tone generator.
Bob Cardone
layering string with it and using the sustain pedal, I never hear any
dropout. Now the 64 poly is actually 32 note because most of the
acoustic stereo piano samples are 2 voice samples, meaning that each
not uses 2 out of the 64. Still no drop out.
Bob Cardone
Mark
jag...@webtv.net wrote:
> Hi Simon,
> About the 32 note polyphony, you are right. A person may never come
> NEAR the 32 note maximum. We only have 10 fingers.
Try holding down the sustain pedal and doing some arpeggios. This could take
you to the limit.
Bob Snyder
Larisa Migachyov wrote:
> jag...@webtv.net wrote:
> > Hi Simon,
> > About the 32 note polyphony, you are right. A person may never come
> > NEAR the 32 note maximum. We only have 10 fingers.
I'll offer another perspective.... If you use the sustain pedal much at all,
those 32 notes get used up in a hurry. I have a 64 note polyphony keyboard..
and if I play straight piano sound, it's pretty much ok... but if I layer
anything... or use a stereo (two channel) patch... or worse, if I layer TWO
stereo patches... I have to be *very* careful. Also.. if you're using this
unit for any sequenced multi-track work, you'll find that those 32 notes
disappear very fast. I'm not satisfied with 64.
Bob Snyder
Sr. District Manager
Steinway and Sons
David Greene
: Well, I've owned several and played many more. Obviously you've never played
: a Roland RD-500. My RD-500 claims to have 28-note polyphony, and it does not
: exhibit the behavior you describe. What exactly do you mean by "run out of
: notes?" All the notes keep sustaining and are audible during a sustained
: gliss. Or, if they aren't, Roland has developed an interesting algorithm for
: creating the illusion that they are.
Well, one would hope that the "less important" notes are dropped.
You wouldn't want notes on the extreme ends of the keyboard
to drop out, because they're very audible over other notes. However,
the notes around the middle could be dropped without most players
noticing (this of course assume you're playing a lot of other notes
"near by" the dropped ones).
-Dave
Lepis
effects, you'd want more than 32 note polyphony...(I apologize if someone has
suggested this already; I didn't want to wade through all the replies).
Don
>Or if you are REALLY, REALLY good, you can play One Note Samba standing up,
>no hands.
>
>
Hey...and if you have REALLY, REALLY REEEEAAAAALLLLY good muscle
control, you can play One Note Samba while doing a hand stand!
Now THAT would get you a shot on STAR SEARCH!!!
Don
strings, on rhodes...ONE SOUND patches.
If you play Bach exclusively, you will probably be satisfied with 32
not polyphony. But if you play pop, jazz or classical piano of the
classical or romantic era or later, you will appreciate at least 64
note polyphony.
Any sustained playing which involves scales or mulitple-note runs of
any sort will rapidly consume all 64 notes and you will experience
drop-out of the earlier played notes.
Some readers here has said that they cannot hear it.
I CAN HEAR IT! It is VERY noticable to me. I can hear the drop-out
and it is annoying. It is also one of the reasons which:
1. I have never recorded with a digital piano
2. I bought a WERSI piano at 64 note polyphony several years ago.
I still wish the WERSI were 128 note rather than 64.
D*
"Al Stevens" <alst...@midifitz.com> wrote:
>>When you run a simple scale and HOLD THE PEDAL DOWN, you will quickly
>>run out of notes. If you run the scale in octaves, you will run out
>>of notes in TWO octaves.
>
>>OBVIOUSLY you have NEVER played on a digital piano.
>
>Well, I've owned several and played many more. Obviously you've never played
>a Roland RD-500. My RD-500 claims to have 28-note polyphony, and it does not
>exhibit the behavior you describe. What exactly do you mean by "run out of
>notes?" All the notes keep sustaining and are audible during a sustained
>gliss. Or, if they aren't, Roland has developed an interesting algorithm for
>creating the illusion that they are.
>
>>Or you play only very simple tunes. 32 note-poly is NOT enough for most
>music. Even
>>64 note-poly suffers.
>
>I play what is possible given one pedal, 88 notes, ten fingers, and whatever
>ability I can muster. What do you mean by "most music?" Surely not "most
>piano music."
>
>I think the mistake many people make is to try to take the multitimbral tone
>generator feature of their keyboards seriously. I've yet to see a digital
>piano with good action and good piano samples and yet that does a decent job
>with the other nonpiano samples. If you want to sequence a symphony, get a
>good external tone generator.
>
>
Recently described as:
Al Stevens
>not polyphony. But if you play pop, jazz or classical piano of the
>classical or romantic era or later, you will appreciate at least 64
>note polyphony.
I play jazz mostly, stride, swing, bebop, and beyond. I do not experience
the dropout problems you mention. I believe that they do not exist even
though you are convinced that they do. (I play classical music only on
acoustic pianos.)
Don
>>If you play Bach exclusively, you will probably be satisfied with 32
>>not polyphony. But if you play pop, jazz or classical piano of the
>>classical or romantic era or later, you will appreciate at least 64
>>note polyphony.
>
>
>I play jazz mostly, stride, swing, bebop, and beyond. I do not experience
>the dropout problems you mention. I believe that they do not exist even
>though you are convinced that they do.
Then you don't understand how digital pianos work.
Playing stride, swing, etc. you rarely have long sustained passages.
That would explain why you never experience drop out of notes. You
never have that many notes playing at one time.
D*
George Gilliland
Don wrote:
>
>
> Playing stride, swing, etc. you rarely have long sustained passages.
> That would explain why you never experience drop out of notes. You
> never have that many notes playing at one time.
>
> I've played keyboards with both 64 and 32 note polyphony and neither even
> begin to approach the sound of a real piano. Even the best models are
> toy-like at best. They've got a long way to go before they're suitable
> replacements for the real thing.
> I'd love it if someday a digital came along that I thought came close
> enough in tone to a real instrument. It would spare me from the 800-lb tank
> sitting in my living room and demanding constant voicing, regulating and
> tuning. It's more spoiled than my cocker spanial (and that's pretty bad).
> I think you'd need more than just good sampling and processing. You'd also
> need an expensive, high quality amp, and expensive speakers to deliver the
> sound. By then, you've got nearly the same fuss as an acoustic instrument
> probably. They do have the keyboard feel refined to a high degree though.
> The Clavinovas have a very realistic touch, IMO.
George
Don
George,
I usually play my piano with headphones for several reasons:
1: Headphones help me isolate the piano from surrounding sounds, to
concentrate on the sound of the piano
2. I can tweak the piano sound and the reverb to get the "concert"
sound which I like.
BOY, I sound REALLY good even when I play not so good!
Comprende?
Al Stevens
Of course I understand how they work.
>Playing stride, swing, etc. you rarely have long sustained passages.
>That would explain why you never experience drop out of notes. You
>never have that many notes playing at one time.
Please refer to my earlier posting on this subject in this thread and read
what I said about sustained glisses.
"All the notes keep sustaining and are audible during a sustained
gliss. Or, if they aren't, Roland has developed an interesting algorithm for
creating the illusion that they are."
Now what part of that didn't you understand? You are more than welcome to
come to my studio and give a listen and tell me which notes you think have
have dropped out.
Bob Cardone
As an owner of a Roland DP, I agree with you 100%
Bob Cardone
Mark Bonnington
and hold it for any given time, regardless of polyphony, by simply using a
sustain effect on the output (such as the Boss CS-3 compressor/sustainer box used
for sustaining infinite sound from electric guitars). This is probably what the
Roland is doing.
Don wrote:
> OK... I will talk slowly so you can understand what I am saying.
>
> A digital piano...Roland, Yamaha, etc. has a limited number of notes
> which will PLAY (sound) at one time. A digital piano can ONLY sound
> the maximum number of notes. After the 16 or 24 or 32 or (whatever)
> max number of notes sound, if you continue to play you will hear the
> earlier notes "drop out."
>
> Roland has no great algorithm for creating any illusions. Roland
> drops out like all of the others do.
>
> I can hear the drop out of the notes on Roland digitals and any piano
> with 32 or even 64 mote polyphony. If you cannot hear the notes which
> drop out, I submit that the problem is in your hearing.
Don
Bob Cardone
depressed , so that the sustain level decays much more slowly. The
note dropping is done with an algorithm, in other words a computer
type of program that decides which note to drop out when you reach the
maximum number of notes. This algorithm is designed to make the
dropouts much less noticeable.
Bob Cardone
Mark Bonnington <ma...@CrystalShip.com> wrote:
>It is possible for a digital piano to take its output (sound) at any given point,
>and hold it for any given time, regardless of polyphony, by simply using a
>sustain effect on the output (such as the Boss CS-3 compressor/sustainer box used
>for sustaining infinite sound from electric guitars). This is probably what the
>Roland is doing.
>
>
>Don wrote:
>
Bob Cardone
Unless you are playing by placing your entire arm on the piano, I
doubt if you can hear dropout on my RD-600 using a piano sound alone,
and I assure you my hearing is excellent.
The dropout is calculated by the person that designed the tone
generator, and it would be an algorithm.
Bob Cardone
Tom Shaw
you cant hear them. Well I cant hear the 17+Kc tone in the horizontal
oscillator of my TV anymore but I know it is there. Sorry to have to
say this but Cardone's inexplicable paranoid reaction to any positive
statement about any dp except Roland is totally predictable, post after
post.
TS
Bob Cardone wrote:
>
> The sustain pedal changes the shape of the waveform when it is
> depressed , so that the sustain level decays much more slowly. The
> note dropping is done with an algorithm, in other words a computer
> type of program that decides which note to drop out when you reach the
> maximum number of notes. This algorithm is designed to make the
> dropouts much less noticeable.
>
> Bob Cardone
>
> Mark Bonnington <ma...@CrystalShip.com> wrote:
>
> >It is possible for a digital piano to take its output (sound) at any given point,
> >and hold it for any given time, regardless of polyphony, by simply using a
> >sustain effect on the output (such as the Boss CS-3 compressor/sustainer box used
> >for sustaining infinite sound from electric guitars). This is probably what the
> >Roland is doing.
> >
> >
Bob Cardone
First of all Mr Shaw, why don't you try getting your facts straight.
The tone that you get from a horizontal oscillator in a TV set is
15,734 hz if it is a color broadcast and 15,750 hz if it is Black and
White.
Second of all, I didn't say that there was no drop outs which shows
that you either can't read well or your reading comprehension sucks.
( Sorry, but you started hurling the insults). I said the way that
the Roland does it makes it much less noticeable and usually if I use
just a piano sound on my RD-600, no matter how I play it, it is very
difficult to detect at all.
I have played all of the DP's and most of them Suck, in my opinion.
Sorry, but that is the way I feel and I have been playing Electronic
Keyboards professionally since the late 50's.. I have even modified
some of them. ( I also teach Electronics ).
Bob Cardone
Al Stevens
>drops out like all of the others do.
Apparently, I'm using big words. Take the last word, of any size, if you
wish, but it will probably be wrong, too.
MidiOpera Co.
The illusion is low note priority. The Roland pianos sustain the lowest
note no matter how many notes you put on top. It robs from the next
notes played. Roland FP8 is 28 voices, it works ok but 28 or 32 is
occasionally not enough.
Since it's no trouble finding 64 or 128 voice digital pianos/modules or
linking a few older modules together for increased polyphony....where's
the beef??? More is better, illusions of more is not.
--
Robert Steinberg
MidiOpera Co.
http://www.evcom.net/~midiopra/
http://www.tcol.net/~midiopra/
Bob Cardone
>Too bad about the frequency of the horizontal oscillator mistake. I was
>depending on my memory and had no ready access to the facts. But then I
>was only off by about 12%. My faulty memory also tells me that for
>several posts you did in fact say there were no drop outs but, then, in
>the face of a lot of statements which claimed drop outs, you finally
>admitted they were there but that you didn't notice them, or whatever.
>
Your memory is faulty. It would be ridiculous to state the dropouts
do not occur. What I said was, that they were almost impossible to
detect, and it would be very difficult to get to the point were a
dropout happened if you had a 64 note poly keyboard and were not
layering 2 or more voices.
>While discussing what sucks I think your attitude does. There is no dp
>on the market which is half as good as the Roland whatever, according to
>you, and you always bring it up no matter what question is being asked
>by a poster. If a poster asks specific questons about any particular
>dp, you always tell him to try your choice ad infinitum. And again, if
>my memory serves, you also think your Roland is better than acoustics.
My Roland is better than many acoustics that I have played.. Oh , BTW,
try the Roland FP-9 and then tell me you have a DP with a better piano
sound. <G>
>
>FWIW, a lot of people who have played the piano longer than you have
>played professionally think all dps suck...so what? All I am saying is
>that your posts sound like you work for Roland.
>
>TS
Yes, I am President of the Corporation. Found out at
last.......sigh!!!!
LOL
Bob Cardone
>> >> >> Roland has no great algorithm for creating any illusions. Roland
>> >> >> drops out like all of the others do.
>> >> >>
Tom Shaw
depending on my memory and had no ready access to the facts. But then I
was only off by about 12%. My faulty memory also tells me that for
several posts you did in fact say there were no drop outs but, then, in
the face of a lot of statements which claimed drop outs, you finally
admitted they were there but that you didn't notice them, or whatever.
While discussing what sucks I think your attitude does. There is no dp
on the market which is half as good as the Roland whatever, according to
you, and you always bring it up no matter what question is being asked
by a poster. If a poster asks specific questons about any particular
dp, you always tell him to try your choice ad infinitum. And again, if
my memory serves, you also think your Roland is better than acoustics.
FWIW, a lot of people who have played the piano longer than you have
played professionally think all dps suck...so what? All I am saying is
that your posts sound like you work for Roland.
TS
Don
>
>Your memory is faulty. It would be ridiculous to state the dropouts
>do not occur. What I said was, that they were almost impossible to
>detect,
NOT at all. I hear drop outs easily when I play most digital pianos.
That's why the WERSI is the only one I have found to date with which I
would record.
>and it would be very difficult to get to the point were a
>dropout happened if you had a 64 note poly keyboard and were not
>layering 2 or more voices.
Wrong again!
It depends on
1. Your style of piano playing
2. The type of music you are performing
I can easily hear the drop out on a 64 note poly digital piano. I
have a good ear. It is not miracle....I can tell it.
>My Roland is better than many acoustics that I have played.. Oh , BTW,
>try the Roland FP-9 and then tell me you have a DP with a better piano
>sound. <G>
>
I have played the FP-9 plenty of times while considering buying one.
I will tell you that the WERSI has a MUCH better piano sound!
You can quote me!
>
>Yes, I am President of the Corporation. Found out at
>last.......sigh!!!!
Which means virtually NOTHING.
No offence but being "President of the Corporation" is really only a
matter of paper work and little else.
It proves NOTHING!
Johann
trick makes the note dropping clearly audible on my P100 (32poly):
Play ff the middle c and hold it with the middle pedal (it would fade
out in 10 seconds normally), then put both flat hands on the keys
gradually, about 1 octave below/above the c - the c clicks off ;-)
Johann
Guenter Nagler
> reasons. I am curious as to what is a reasonable number of notes that a
> average pianist can play. There are digital pianos touting 32 note
> polyphony to 128 but I wonder if a average person really needs anything
> more than 32. We only have 10 fingers & even with the damper pedal
> depressed, is it possible to hold 32 notes ? On this subject, is there
> any way for a novice player to test a claim that the piano supports say
> 32 note polyphony. I have tried using the damper pedal & playing a
> scale up & down but I doubt I even reached 15 notes before the first few
> notes start to fade off.
If you play quick a scale up then many notes are started and since a
note delays some time till it is off it will occupy the a tone generator
for this time. So a 32 notes limit is soon reached.
But usually they react with intelligence on this limit by stopping
older notes that are nearly off, so the limit is not noticed in many
cases. New instruments should support at least 64 notes polyphony.
I guess the limit is more important for other features of a digital
piano, probably most dig. pianos can also play other sounds from a
general midi sound set (e.g. flute, strings, trumpet, ...) and play midi
files from a floppy disk.
This can be used to play midi songs as background orchester to practice
the piano parts alone.
Guenter
Bob Cardone
>cardone!@!mindspring.com (Bob Cardone) wrote:
>
>>
>>Your memory is faulty. It would be ridiculous to state the dropouts
>>do not occur. What I said was, that they were almost impossible to
>>detect,
>
>NOT at all. I hear drop outs easily when I play most digital pianos.
>That's why the WERSI is the only one I have found to date with which I
>would record.
>
I was not talking about " Most Digital Pianos". I was talking about
the Roland DP's.
>>and it would be very difficult to get to the point were a
>>dropout happened if you had a 64 note poly keyboard and were not
>>layering 2 or more voices.
>
>Wrong again!
>
>It depends on
>
>1. Your style of piano playing
>2. The type of music you are performing
>
>I can easily hear the drop out on a 64 note poly digital piano. I
>have a good ear. It is not miracle....I can tell it.
Again, it depends on what DP you are talking about. On my RD-600,
suing piano sounds only I find it almost impossible to detect, and I
venture to say that my ear is as good as anyone, having been a
Professional Musician and recording engineer, for many decades.
>
>>My Roland is better than many acoustics that I have played.. Oh , BTW,
>>try the Roland FP-9 and then tell me you have a DP with a better piano
>>sound. <G>
>>
>I have played the FP-9 plenty of times while considering buying one.
>I will tell you that the WERSI has a MUCH better piano sound!
I cannot make a statement about the " Wersi". I have never met anyone
that owned one, or played one, or I have never heard one.
>
>You can quote me!
>
>>
>>Yes, I am President of the Corporation. Found out at
>>last.......sigh!!!!
>
>Which means virtually NOTHING.
>
>No offence but being "President of the Corporation" is really only a
>matter of paper work and little else.
>
>It proves NOTHING!
>
>D*
>
Gad!!! ........
Don
>Al Stevens <alst...@midifitz.com> wrote:
>
>> >Roland has no great algorithm for creating any illusions. Roland
>> >drops out like all of the others do.
>>
>>
>> Apparently, I'm using big words. Take the last word, of any size, if you
>> wish, but it will probably be wrong, too.
>
>The illusion is low note priority. The Roland pianos sustain the lowest
>note no matter how many notes you put on top. It robs from the next
>notes played. Roland FP8 is 28 voices, it works ok but 28 or 32 is
>occasionally not enough.
>
>Since it's no trouble finding 64 or 128 voice digital pianos/modules or
>linking a few older modules together for increased polyphony....where's
>the beef??? More is better, illusions of more is not.
How are you supposed to "link them" together? They do not all "link"
in the same way, certainly not in series, like an auto battery.
The "MicroPiano" allows you to receive odd note numbers on one module
and even on another. But the piano sound is not realistic. I don't
know of another one which allows that. You can't just "link a few
older modules together for increased polyphony." They don't work like
that. If they did everybody would have already done it.
D*
Don
>calldo...@airmail.net (Don) wrote:
>
>>cardone!@!mindspring.com (Bob Cardone) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Your memory is faulty. It would be ridiculous to state the dropouts
>>>do not occur. What I said was, that they were almost impossible to
>>>detect,
>>
>>NOT at all. I hear drop outs easily when I play most digital pianos.
>>That's why the WERSI is the only one I have found to date with which I
>>would record.
>>
>
>I was not talking about " Most Digital Pianos". I was talking about
>the Roland DP's.
>
I finally went to MARS last Friday afternoon to play it.
1. I really did not have enough time to spend.
2. MARS is an IMPOSSIBLE place to actual "listen" to anything, it is
SO noisy.
3. I did not have my headphones to help the situation.
My first impression was that the overall sound still sounded very
digital. I will try to find another dealer where I can hear it
without dozens of credit-card-loaded wannabe rockstar teenagers
around!!!
Know what I mean???
Bob Cardone
>midi...@tcol.net (MidiOpera Co.) wrote:
>
>>Al Stevens <alst...@midifitz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >Roland has no great algorithm for creating any illusions. Roland
>>> >drops out like all of the others do.
>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently, I'm using big words. Take the last word, of any size, if you
>>> wish, but it will probably be wrong, too.
>>
>>The illusion is low note priority. The Roland pianos sustain the lowest
>>note no matter how many notes you put on top. It robs from the next
>>notes played. Roland FP8 is 28 voices, it works ok but 28 or 32 is
>>occasionally not enough.
>>
>>Since it's no trouble finding 64 or 128 voice digital pianos/modules or
>>linking a few older modules together for increased polyphony....where's
>>the beef??? More is better, illusions of more is not.
>
>How are you supposed to "link them" together? They do not all "link"
>in the same way, certainly not in series, like an auto battery.
>
>The "MicroPiano" allows you to receive odd note numbers on one module
>and even on another. But the piano sound is not realistic. I don't
>know of another one which allows that. You can't just "link a few
>older modules together for increased polyphony." They don't work like
>that. If they did everybody would have already done it.
>
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Most piano modules have piano sounds that are dismal at best. I have
never heard a good one.
Bob Cardone
Al Stevens
>in the same way, certainly not in series, like an auto battery.
I'm not sure you'd want to do this, but it's possible. You can send one
keyboard into a PC and, with a bit of software you'd have to write (trivial
when you know how), redirect the notes in small clusters to different
channels. Send MIDI OUT to the first module, send its MIDI THRU to the
second module, and so on. Set up each module to process only one of the
channels. If each module has 32 note polyphony, you can effectively multiply
the polyphony by the number of modules. But why?
One reason would be to give each channel a different pan value and generate
surround-sound from a single MIDI IN channel..
<nitpick>
Don't link auto batteries "in series" unless you want to increase the
voltage to 12 times the number of batteries, which will burn up most of the
circuits in your automobile. It is more common to link them in parallel to
support greater amperage at 12 volts for a load that needs more watts. They
do that for heavy vehicles such as RVs. Or trucks that carry pianos (just to
stay on topic).
</nitpick>
Mark Bonnington
I've seen just as many older and experienced people play inconsiderately
loud in the music stores I've been to.
Don wrote:
>
> My first impression was that the overall sound still sounded very
> digital. I will try to find another dealer where I can hear it
> without dozens of credit-card-loaded wannabe rockstar teenagers
> around!!!
>
> Know what I mean???
>
Don
>Let's have a little respect for younger people that are learning to play.
>I've seen just as many older and experienced people play inconsiderately
>loud in the music stores I've been to.
>
The stores are LOUD even if no one is playing. They are loud stores.
D*
>Don wrote:
>
>>
>> My first impression was that the overall sound still sounded very
>> digital. I will try to find another dealer where I can hear it
>> without dozens of credit-card-loaded wannabe rockstar teenagers
>> around!!!
>>
>> Know what I mean???
>>
Mark Bonnington
stores make as much noise as loud stores.
Don't even ask where I'm going with this one, because I have no idea.
Al Stevens
and have no idea. I've seen as many people who do know where they're going
who have no idea.
Mark Bonnington wrote in message <37A01A01...@CrystalShip.com>...
Don
>Let's have a little respect for loud stores. I've seen just as many quieter
>stores make as much noise as loud stores.
>
>Don't even ask where I'm going with this one, because I have no idea.
>
Let's have a little respect for older people complaining. I have seen
as many younger people complain inconsiderately as older people...who
usually complain with some style.
D*
>Don wrote:
>
>> Mark Bonnington <ma...@CrystalShip.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Let's have a little respect for younger people that are learning to play.
>> >I've seen just as many older and experienced people play inconsiderately
>> >loud in the music stores I've been to.
>> >
>>
>> The stores are LOUD even if no one is playing. They are loud stores.
>>
Bart
>>How are you supposed to "link them" together? They do not all "link"
>>in the same way, certainly not in series, like an auto battery.
>
>
>I'm not sure you'd want to do this, but it's possible. You can send one
>keyboard into a PC and, with a bit of software you'd have to write (trivial
>when you know how)
Are you the Al Stevens that writes for Dr. Dobbs magazine?
Al Stevens
Yes.