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Is Kawai a "lower" brand than Yamaha?

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Frank

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Nov 6, 2003, 9:57:47 PM11/6/03
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Yamaha dealer said so, of course. How about the general opinion among
musicians and techs? What are the corresponding model in Kawai for
Yamaha U1, T121 and P22?

Thanks a lo!

Frank

ptooner

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Nov 6, 2003, 11:08:10 PM11/6/03
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"Frank" <youn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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They don't correspong exactly, but in the order you list I'd say the UST-10,
UST-7, and UST-8 although the UST-8 is much larger than the P22.

Gerry


Larry

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Nov 7, 2003, 1:51:36 AM11/7/03
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>From: youn...@yahoo.com (Frank)

>Yamaha dealer said so, of course.

Of course he did.

Yamaha has the best marketing program, and the most name recognition due to the
broader variety of products offered (there are no Kawai motorboats,
motorcycles, etc) - Kawai has the best piano of the two.

Larry Fletcher

Dave Zappa

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Nov 7, 2003, 8:33:37 AM11/7/03
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Of course the Yamaha dealer will say he's better. And I am not surprised in
the lease Larry says Kawai is better. There are many models spread
throughout the Yamaha and Kawai lines, each designed to compete with the
other. It's like saying whats better, Honda or Nissan?

I would disagree that Yamaha has better marketing, they just have more
marketing and brand recognition due to their product diversity.

I personally would save up a little extra money and buy a hand-built German
piano. Maybe something I could get a real steal on, like a one-of-a-kind
prototype that is say, 25% of what the piano should really sell for...

(Frank, never mind that last comment - that was purely for Larry's
amusement)

DZ

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jonas aras

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Nov 7, 2003, 10:41:29 AM11/7/03
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The basic "problem" with Kawai is that they make many pianos that are the
same size, but the level of quality varies. In other words, they may have a
premium 45", semi-premium, mid-level, and econo version. They all look
alike on the outside.

One needs to be ver familiar with their model numbers to ensure that you're
really getting the instrument you want. That said, I'm sure that they make
something that's as good as Yamaha's pianos...just read up!


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Alex Maas

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Nov 8, 2003, 5:04:13 AM11/8/03
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Some very good techs say there is little difference in quality. What
I experience is that the Yamaha pianos normally sound brighter and
sometimes unbelievably bright. Supposedly this can be voiced down, but
I am not sure this really always lasts. I think that the Kawai
actions MAY last longer because of the ABS parts which are made of a
plastic that lasts for a very long time. But this is debatable.
However, I believe that it is probably superior to wood in terms of
needing adjusting--until it brittle, mettles, or some other
catastraphe happens to it.

H. Emmerson Meyers

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Nov 8, 2003, 10:18:56 AM11/8/03
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Isn't that a rather close call??

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Larry

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Nov 8, 2003, 8:57:02 AM11/8/03
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>From: "H. Emmerson Meyers"

>Isn't that a rather close call??


Yes, actually it is. You are right in correcting me. 5 areas of quality - 3
are objective: materials design and workmanship, 2 are subjective: touch and
tone. I should have stated that my preference for touch and tone is the Kawai.
That said, in the areas of materials, Kawai holds a slight edge in some models,
particularly in grands. In design, both are well designed, though I personally
think the Kawai has better designs. In workmanship, it's a definite toss up.

Larry Fletcher

Richard Schultz

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Nov 9, 2003, 5:23:55 AM11/9/03
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In article <20031108085702...@mb-m10.aol.com>, Larry <larryin...@aol.composer> wrote:

: Yes, actually it is. You are right in correcting me. 5 areas of quality - 3

: are objective: materials design and workmanship, 2 are subjective: touch and
: tone. I should have stated that my preference for touch and tone is the
: Kawai. That said, in the areas of materials, Kawai holds a slight edge
: in some models, particularly in grands. In design, both are well designed,
: though I personally think the Kawai has better designs. In workmanship,
: it's a definite toss up.

I realize that this is not a direct comparison, but I grew up playing a
Kawai baby grand, and now own a Yamaha upright. I prefer the touch and the
tone of the Yamaha; whenever I visit my parents and sit down to play their
piano, I feel the Kawai to be much stiffer and to have a less resonant
tone, even though it's a larger instrument. No doubt that's partially due
to the relative placements of the two pianos (the Kawai being in a more
acoustically "dead" space), but still, it's just further proof of the
old Usenet maxim that YMMV.

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Patrick L.

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Nov 11, 2003, 5:39:52 AM11/11/03
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The Yamaha might be a few inches higher, I haven't measured the height in a
while.

All kidding aside,

Having played both, and I don't recall which models, but they were both
expensive grands, I liked the Kawaii, personally.

If I can't get a Mason & Hamlin, my first choice, I would go for the Kawaii,
but such things are very personal, your mileage may vary.


Patrick


Henry A. Pasternack

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Nov 11, 2003, 10:07:54 PM11/11/03
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> Having played both, and I don't recall which models, but they were both
> expensive grands, I liked the Kawaii, personally.

Is a Kawaii made in Hawaii?

-Henry


ptooner

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Nov 12, 2003, 9:15:29 AM11/12/03
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"Henry A. Pasternack" <hpast...@rcn.dot.com> wrote in message
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Yes, I believe their factory is on the island of Kauai.

Gerry


Tom Shaw

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Nov 12, 2003, 12:22:49 PM11/12/03
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Henry A. Pasternack

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Nov 12, 2003, 9:42:45 PM11/12/03
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"ptooner" <no...@yourlife.com> wrote in message
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> > Is a Kawaii made in Hawaii?
>
> Yes, I believe their factory is on the island of Kauai.

I'm not so sure. Oahu told you that? Maybe you need to do Samoa
research on the subject.

-Henry


Henry A. Pasternack

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Nov 12, 2003, 9:44:53 PM11/12/03
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"Henry A. Pasternack" <hpast...@rcn.dot.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not so sure. Oahu told you that? Maybe you need to do Samoa
> research on the subject.

OK, I admit that's stretching the joke a bit thin...

-Henry


Richard Schultz

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Nov 13, 2003, 5:40:13 AM11/13/03
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In article <bouqut$kmp$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>, Henry A. Pasternack <hpast...@rcn.dot.com> wrote:
: "ptooner" <no...@yourlife.com> wrote in message
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I Guam Midway through that project.

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