Difference in sampling between Yamaha Clavinova CLP 840 and CLP 860 nothing worth?
Darryl Greene
>Dynamic Sampling just a wordphrase? Nobody can hear the difference?
I don't know if it's "Dynamic Sampling" but my P-80 has different
samples that corresponds to differing keystrike velocities - I guess
that's Dynamic Sampling. Anyway, yes, it works and very noticeable
and beneficial.
>I'm not interested in the P80, it might have a good sound, but it's
>more like a keyboard.
As compared to what - are you going strictly by appearance? Consider
that the P-80 only weighs 35 pounds - that means you can put it in
your car and bring it along to a friend's house to do some music (of
course, you'd also tote along some amps - Yamaha MS20S, for example).
- Darryl
pTooner
Jorgen Lyng wrote:
>
> Yamaha claims that the Clavinova CLP 860 is using a special Dynamic
> Sampling, but I get the impression in this newsgroup, that nomatter
> what model of Clavinova I buy, it will be no way near the keyboard
> P80, in the sound quality.
Probably the major reason for this is that piano sounds require huge
dynamic range from an amplifier and to do that the amp has to have a lot
of power available. That just doesn't happen in the Clavinovas. I am
not certain whether the samples are the same or not. (I own a P80)
> Some mentioned a comparison between Yamaha
> P80 and Yamaha Clavinova CLP 840, and here I mentioned that the CLP
> 860 is considered to have a better sampling, but am I naive here? Is
> Dynamic Sampling just a wordphrase? Nobody can hear the difference?
Listen yourself. If you can't hear it then it isn't there. ;-))
>
>
> As I said I'm no pro, but I do practise every day, and because I live
> in a flat I consider buying CLP 860, instead of a real piano. I like
> the look of it, and I like the feel of it, and not least the sound of
> it. It reminds me of a real piano. Should I look for another brand
> also?
If you like it, then that's all that's important. I think Roland makes a
much superior home product although I am not up to date on their latest
models. They had a KR570 that I like a lot but I think it may be
superseded by perhaps the KR575? Really, the only thing that matters is
what you like.
>
>
> I'm not interested in the P80, it might have a good sound, but it's
> more like a keyboard.
Yep, it IS a keyboard. It is intended for an entirely different use and
it is quite good at that.
Gerry
Mike Berro
I'm new to this newsgroup, and a rank amateur with 30 years experience.
(I'm almost a professional amateur.)
I recently purchased an 860, and it is certainly better in all respects
than my 20 year old Thomas upright. It does *not* sound as good as the $25K
Steinway grand I once played in a recording studio (until the horrified
engineer shooed me away.)
It certainly sounds great for the dough (I paid $2500), and great for
being electronic. Nothing (to me) will beat a finely-tuned acoustic, but
then few household pianos, even grands, are finely tuned.
My understanding is that the "graded hammer action" keyboard is identical
to the P80, so feel should be the same. I would be surprised to find that
the 860 has lower-quality sound reproduction circuits than the P80, but not
shocked. Certainly the cabinet, while looking nice, could not cost very much
(unless perhaps you get the fine wood for $1000 extra.) The amplifier
built-in to the 860 is a bit wimpy for when I'm feeling rambunctious (and no
one is around), but I haven't hooked it up to an external amp yet. If you
compare a P80 through a good amp with the 860 raw, the P80 should easily
win. Through headphones the 860 sounds great, and 75% of my playing is
through them, as my spouse prefers to watch TV.
I bought a used EMT-1 sound expander on Ebay for $20, and while it is fun,
the sound quality is very poor indeed compared to the 860. If you absolutely
needed the best sound, you could easily add an external sound device,
although a good one will cost more than the piano.
I considered the P80, but I wanted something "permanent"; as soon as I
would move the keyboard, something else would immediately take its place.
<grin> Also, the extra amplifier I'd need would not fit into the "decor" of
my living room, such as it is. Finally, I didn't think 35 pounds was all
that portable. I have a Yamaha P330 for knocking around.
The 860 has a surprising (to me) number of options and settings, but
because there are few panel controls, I have to refer to the manual every
time I want to use them. Not really a problem for me, since I mostly leave
it on "grand piano", and sometimes "jazz piano" for a crisper sound. I feel
no need to minutely adjust the amount of reverb or delay, but it can be
done.
---Mike
"Jorgen Lyng" <jl...@ziname.com> wrote in message
news:u975hssihqb9litcb...@4ax.com...
> I'm absolute no pro, but I can understand that Yamaha Clavinova is
> considered a bad choise between the pro's in this newgroup.
>
> Yamaha claims that the Clavinova CLP 860 is using a special Dynamic
> Sampling, but I get the impression in this newsgroup, that nomatter
> what model of Clavinova I buy, it will be no way near the keyboard
> P80, in the sound quality. Some mentioned a comparison between Yamaha
> P80 and Yamaha Clavinova CLP 840, and here I mentioned that the CLP
> 860 is considered to have a better sampling, but am I naive here? Is
> Dynamic Sampling just a wordphrase? Nobody can hear the difference?
>
> As I said I'm no pro, but I do practise every day, and because I live
> in a flat I consider buying CLP 860, instead of a real piano. I like
> the look of it, and I like the feel of it, and not least the sound of
> it. It reminds me of a real piano. Should I look for another brand
> also?
>
> I'm not interested in the P80, it might have a good sound, but it's
> more like a keyboard.
>
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> With Kind Regards
> Jorgen Lyng
> Denmark