Tokiwa vs. Renner action
Tom and Luanne
remanufactured). This includes having an entirely new keyboard and action
installed since the piano, an 1895 Bosendorfer, originally had a
single-escapement action. The rebuilder asked me if it would be OK for him
to use a Tokiwa action instead of Renner because he's having difficulty
getting Renner parts right now. My questions are these:
1) Is anyone else having trouble getting Renner parts? My rebuilder says
that Renner isn't returning phone calls, is stalling, etc. The rebuilder
that is working on my piano comes with laudatory recommendations by everyone
I've corresponded with, including folks on this newsgroup and the head of
Bosendorfer USA.
2) Is there any practical difference between Renner and Tokiwa actions? I
know nothing other than what I read in advertisements about Renner, so I am
hardly in a position to make an objective choice in this matter. My
concerns are around ultimate quality, serviceability, etc.
Any and all comments and help would be REALLY appreciated.
Tom Etheridge
toma...@attbi.com
Rick Clark
response, as I recall. Didn't you read the responses?
Regards,
Rick Clark
Tom and Luanne
Yes, I asked this question last November and I read the responses. The
reason that I'm asking it again is that a caveat was placed on the first
response. The caveat, as I remember, was that there would be no apparent
difference if the rebuild just involved changing parts rather than
installing an entirely new action. Since I still don't have my piano, this
rebuild does indeed involve and complete replacement of the action, and my
rebuilder still hasn't been able to get a response from Renner, I thought
that I'd repost the question with a little more detail.
I have tried to go back to see if there have been any new posts to my
original question but I can't get the question to reload. Is there any way
to check on a post that's that old?
Also, I didn't ask the question in November about whether anyone else had
been having a problem getting response and/or parts from Renner.
Best Regards,
Tom Etheridge
"Rick Clark" <pianodoctor@mindspr*ng.com> wrote in message
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pianoguy
> I have tried to go back to see if there have been any new
> posts to my original question but I can't get the question to
> reload. Is there any way to check on a post that's that old?
If you wish to find your old messages/replies....
Go to Google Groups:
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Type in...Tom and Luanne...press enter...
I have a question for you...you say your rebuilder is highly respected...why
do you not accept his/her recommendations? Fact is...parts do not make a
piano perform...the technician does!
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Rich Pierro
contact.
Renner USA 480-575-1700 (leave a message)
Rick Baldassin 801-936-4441
Ask them about the delay on your parts, then call your tech and tell him you
want Renner parts. Don't let him cheap out on the Bosie!
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Rich Pierro
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Jonathan Gibbs
Not sure if this is relevant (I'm in the UK), but the restorer working on my
1891 Steinway last October had a lot of trouble getting the new action
delivered. It turned out they had moved factory, without letting their
customers know, and just hit a load of operational problems. It eventually
came through about six weeks after it was expected.
Worth the wait, though!
Jonathan Gibbs
Mark Mandell
and I have had using the Tokiwa parts. The local piano supply house here
imports them after they've been modified to meet his standards. And the
results sound excellent in any piano we've installed them on, Steinways,
Mason & Hamlin, etc.
Even Abels would be suitable with the possible exception of the
"Performance" brand which didn't work so well with a '67 B we installed them
in. The sound was too confining in fact so we replaced with the Tokiwas and
there was a noticeable improvement.
Now with respect to the wippens, it might be the case that the Renner parts
are better but even here the Tokiwas have proved fine. They didn't result
in any action weight gain where we used them.
So in the final analysis, I'm just saying that while Renner is of course
respectable, I wouldn't sacrifice something that could do the same job
equally well.
Mark Mandell
www.pianosource.com
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Richard Galassini
be the motivation of any tech. concerned with their reputation.
I have heard better things about Tokiwa, but IMHO Renner and Abel are both
better choices.
At Cunningham we have had no problems with supply, however we order LOTS of
actions. I don't know if this would make a difference.
As others have stated, it really boils down to your relationship and trust in
your rebuilder. If the parts are on spec. and he can make the piano perform,
where is the problem?
My 2 cents.
Richard Galassini
Cunningham Piano Co
Phila,. Pa.
1 (800) 394-1117
URL:http://voce88.tripod.com/richspianopage
Rick Clark
>As others have stated, it really boils down to your relationship and trust in
>your rebuilder. If the parts are on spec. and he can make the piano perform,
>where is the problem?
This was my point originally, 2 months ago. But this argument about
Brand A vs Brand B parts continues......
I'll say this- Renner has done a great job building their brand name.
When consumers are requesting certain piano parts by brand name-
that's says a lot for their marketing efforts.
Wouldn't it be funny if one day it was discovered that Brand B was
simply a Brand A with a different name and distribution?
Regards,
Rick Clark
Barrie Heaton
<pianodoctor@mindspr*ng.com> writes
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>Wouldn't it be funny if one day it was discovered that Brand B was
>simply a Brand A with a different name and distribution?
More like brand "A" outworking to brand "B" because of demand Yamaha
comes to mind with pearl river plant and you could stretch it to S$S
with the Boston a lot of owners are under the impression that they are
made in the same factory as S&S, but this is down to marketing good or
bad depending what side of the cash till you are on.
Barrie,
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rasw
open the top of the case and show me the words "Steinway" on the plate.
Maybe Samick should put "not made by STEINWAY" on their plates (with the
STEINWAY big, and the "not made by" small) to sell more pianos!
"Barrie Heaton" <pi...@a440.co.uk> wrote in message
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Radu Focshaner
> Maybe Samick should put "not made by STEINWAY" on their plates (with the
> STEINWAY big, and the "not made by" small) to sell more pianos!
But they DO sell more pianos than Steinway ! "Imperial Scale ",
"Armagedon Enhanced Sound".
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