Gretsch vs. Sonor...your votes please
Tom Betka
I am obsessing about a new maple drum kit. I cannot decide between a
Gretsch or a Designer kit. I've talked to everyone I can think--on
both sides and in the middle. Trouble is, I have no drum shop near to
play these drums in. I think there may be a shop in the Twin Cities (2
hours drive), but finding the time to go has been difficult.
So.... I'm taking a survey. Please give me your votes for either kit.
But first some background: The drums will be used to play mainly
rock/pop/country type gigs (you get the idea of the tuning required.)
They will most likely NOT be used for Jazz, as it's been so long, I've
forgotten HOW to play it...
Sizes are 10, 12, 14, 16 & 16x22. May buy a snare too--I don't know
yet. Money's not an issue... they both cost LOTS, but the prices are
actually within 10% of each other.
So what do you think--give me your votes, buy e-mail, post, phone,
whatever. I'll keep track for however long it takes for this thread to
die away. Oh....please don't suggest other drum brands--it's Sonor or
Gretsch, only.
BTW, Mark Polis, Rev and Rob--I've got you marked down for Sonor.
Pat McDonald and George (drumguru) for Gretsch. If any of this is
inaccurate, please advise.
So, that's 3:2 Sonor. I'll keep you posted, and THANKS for the help.
Tom
DSNORTHRUP
over Sonor.
Good Luck and Good Drumming
David Northrup
Jay Epstein
Tom,
I have to even up the tally by voting for the name on 4 of my sets:
Gretsch.
Jay
"Jazz is only what you are." - Louis Armstrong
Scott Hoffman
Cheers!
Scott Hoffman, Philly
Until next time, keep time.
DSNORTHRUP wrote in message
<19991102004501...@ng-fm1.aol.com>...
Robert Schuh
> Hey all,
>
> I am obsessing about a new maple drum kit. I cannot decide between a
> Gretsch or a Designer kit. I've talked to everyone I can think--on
> both sides and in the middle. Trouble is, I have no drum shop near to
> play these drums in. I think there may be a shop in the Twin Cities (2
> hours drive), but finding the time to go has been difficult.
>
> So.... I'm taking a survey. Please give me your votes for either kit.
> But first some background: The drums will be used to play mainly
> rock/pop/country type gigs (you get the idea of the tuning required.)
> They will most likely NOT be used for Jazz, as it's been so long, I've
> forgotten HOW to play it...
>
> Sizes are 10, 12, 14, 16 & 16x22. May buy a snare too--I don't know
> yet. Money's not an issue... they both cost LOTS, but the prices are
> actually within 10% of each other.
>
> So what do you think--give me your votes, buy e-mail, post, phone,
> whatever. I'll keep track for however long it takes for this thread to
> die away. Oh....please don't suggest other drum brands--it's Sonor or
> Gretsch, only.
>
> BTW, Mark Polis, Rev and Rob--I've got you marked down for Sonor.
> Pat McDonald and George (drumguru) for Gretsch. If any of this is
> inaccurate, please advise.
>
> So, that's 3:2 Sonor. I'll keep you posted, and THANKS for the help.
>
> Tom
Tom,
Why gamble on the quality control on new Gretsch's? They don't give a fuck
about you or quality control. Get some older ones. I just don't hear that
killer sound in the new ones and their ludicrous pricing is for the rep
only. The fact that they are as much if not more than the Sonors is a
testament to this. The Sonors are a fucking work of art. You can sit them
in ANYONE's living room and people can appreciate them even before you hit
them. I promise you man, this is a once in a lifetime thing. There is
nothing like these German made beauties. The steel alone is worth the
price of admission. They both will sound great, but in different ways. I
am getting a bit cliché with my car analogies, but here goes anyway.
Referring to speed as sound, you may be able to get an American made Vette
that can hang with a Ferrari 360 Maranello, but the difference in class
and workmanship is light years apart. Now can you imagine Chevy having the
hubris to charge $150,000.00 like the 360 for a fucking Vette?
Vette/Gretsch, American classics. Sonor/Ferrari, WORLD classics! :-)
--
Robert Schuh
"There Can be Only One!"
Stevie, Trane, Jaco, Jimi and Bird are GODS!
Donate your organs. Save a life.
Proud Endorser of Spaun Drums
Robert Schuh
> NoSPAM...@discover-net.net (Tom Betka) wrote:
> >Hey all,
> >I am obsessing about a new maple drum kit. I cannot decide between a
> >Gretsch or a Designer kit. I've talked to everyone I can think--on
> >both sides and in the middle. Trouble is, I have no drum shop near to
> >play these drums in. I think there may be a shop in the Twin Cities (2
> >hours drive), but finding the time to go has been difficult.
> >So.... I'm taking a survey. Please give me your votes for either kit.
> >But first some background: The drums will be used to play mainly
> >rock/pop/country type gigs (you get the idea of the tuning required.)
> >They will most likely NOT be used for Jazz, as it's been so long, I've
> >forgotten HOW to play it...
> >Sizes are 10, 12, 14, 16 & 16x22. May buy a snare too--I don't know
> >yet. Money's not an issue... they both cost LOTS, but the prices are
> >actually within 10% of each other.
> >So what do you think--give me your votes, buy e-mail, post, phone,
> >whatever. I'll keep track for however long it takes for this thread to
> >die away. Oh....please don't suggest other drum brands--it's Sonor or
> >Gretsch, only.
> >BTW, Mark Polis, Rev and Rob--I've got you marked down for Sonor.
> >Pat McDonald and George (drumguru) for Gretsch. If any of this is
> >inaccurate, please advise.
> >So, that's 3:2 Sonor. I'll keep you posted, and THANKS for the help.
>
> Tom,
> I have to even up the tally by voting for the name on 4 of my sets:
> Gretsch.
>
> Jay
>
> "Jazz is only what you are." - Louis Armstrong
Jay,
He is referring to new Gretsch here, not the works of art that you own.
PeriscopeR
We spoke at length about you buying my Slingerland Studio Kings. By the end of
our conversation, we both agreed Gretsch was probably the one...
but after reading your post, and realized that "money was not an issue", I
think it's insane to order a kit that you have never checked out. Also, I
can't remember if you actually ever tried a current Gretsch or Sonor Designer..
I would recommend flying to either LA or NY or the nearest store.. and trying
them out in person. Often times the good stores have the super high end shit
out there, and ready to move, cause they have so much invested in them.
I personally have never owned a kit that was "the kit" in every way, though I
have been trying for over 20 years.. the last two Gretsch kits I've scored
used (one a 50's, one a 70's) are the closest I've come.. AND, i payed less
than 1000 for each of these kits!
I have owned Sonor (rosewood/beech), DW, Ayotte wood hoop, Slingerland Studio
Kings, and even had a custom kit made for me by Greg Keplinger in '92. I'm
still searching, but my Gretschs are the most satisfying of them all.
good luck!
later,
evan
http://www.seanet.com/~bigdog/drumgeeks
Mark Polis
that have never seen nor heard Sonor Designers in the flesh, but you'll get
their opinions anyway. They just don't seem to be carried in many places
that'll handle the other more widely distributed drums such as Yamaha, Tama,
Pearl, Mapex, Premier, Slingerland and even Gretsch. Perhaps it's because
the price is prohibitive, I don't know.
The fact is I had played the drums for many years before I serendipitously
stumbled upon a set of African Bubinga Sonor Designers this past summer. I
was struck by their beauty, design and workmanship immediately. Like Rob
says - it was like seeing a Ferrari. Then I sat down and played them - I'd
NEVER played drums that sounded like this. Wow. I looked at the price, and
went home. Lord knows I didn't need another kit. But I just couldn't get
'em out of my head. I've owned two Gretsch kits (I still have one, and it's
a round badge beauty). Gretsch drums have a sound all their own. Yes,
they have a rich history in bebop jazz. And they've become enveloped in
some sort of mystique - it's almost a cult now, despite the fact that
quality issues have come up over the years, whether they're justified or
not. Lookit - I love Gretsch drums (and I'm not even a Vinnie freak). But
if I could have any ONE kit - the all-purpose kit of my choice? Sonor
Designers.
Sonor Designers and Gretsch drums are two different animals. To compare
them from the standpoint of QUALITY is absurd. There's simply no contest.
To compare them from the standpoint of sound and feel? THAT's valid,
because they are both phenomenal there. To compare them from the standpoint
of which brand turns you on more? A poll here in r.m.m.p. will only get you
a bias from a very limited sector of the drumming world. That schmuck Bill
Clinton's taught me to be allergic to opinion polls anyway.
So in the final analysis, don't be dreaming about buying expensive drums
that you never even examined nor played, Tom. Rob's right - get off your
duff, and GO SEE THEM, EXAMINE THEM, HEAR THEM, PLAY THEM! (THEN you'll buy
Sonor designers, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA).
--
o-----« Mark Polis mjp...@csrlink.net »-----o
--
Robert Schuh wrote in message <381E9B94...@yahoo.com>...
>Tom Betka wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I am obsessing about a new maple drum kit. I cannot decide between a
>> Gretsch or a Designer kit. I've talked to everyone I can think--on
>> both sides and in the middle. Trouble is, I have no drum shop near to
>> play these drums in. I think there may be a shop in the Twin Cities (2
>> hours drive), but finding the time to go has been difficult.
>>
>> So.... I'm taking a survey. Please give me your votes for either kit.
>> But first some background: The drums will be used to play mainly
>> rock/pop/country type gigs (you get the idea of the tuning required.)
>> They will most likely NOT be used for Jazz, as it's been so long, I've
>> forgotten HOW to play it...
>>
>> Sizes are 10, 12, 14, 16 & 16x22. May buy a snare too--I don't know
>> yet. Money's not an issue... they both cost LOTS, but the prices are
>> actually within 10% of each other.
>>
>> So what do you think--give me your votes, buy e-mail, post, phone,
>> whatever. I'll keep track for however long it takes for this thread to
>> die away. Oh....please don't suggest other drum brands--it's Sonor or
>> Gretsch, only.
>>
>> BTW, Mark Polis, Rev and Rob--I've got you marked down for Sonor.
>> Pat McDonald and George (drumguru) for Gretsch. If any of this is
>> inaccurate, please advise.
>>
>> So, that's 3:2 Sonor. I'll keep you posted, and THANKS for the help.
>>
>> Tom
>
>Tom,
>Why gamble on the quality control on new Gretsch's? They don't give a fuck
>about you or quality control. Get some older ones. I just don't hear that
>killer sound in the new ones and their ludicrous pricing is for the rep
>only. The fact that they are as much if not more than the Sonors is a
>testament to this. The Sonors are a fucking work of art. You can sit them
>in ANYONE's living room and people can appreciate them even before you hit
>them. I promise you man, this is a once in a lifetime thing. There is
>nothing like these German made beauties. The steel alone is worth the
>price of admission. They both will sound great, but in different ways. I
>am getting a bit cliché with my car analogies, but here goes anyway.
>Referring to speed as sound, you may be able to get an American made Vette
>that can hang with a Ferrari 360 Maranello, but the difference in class
>and workmanship is light years apart. Now can you imagine Chevy having the
>hubris to charge $150,000.00 like the 360 for a fucking Vette?
>Vette/Gretsch, American classics. Sonor/Ferrari, WORLD classics! :-)
>
>
Russell Lane
I play Gretsch drums, and love them. However, just last weekend I heard a
set of Designers (birch, not maple) for the first time. They are also an
outstanding, exceptional instrument -- definitely the equal of Gretsch in
quality of tone. Not the *same* sound, but easily of comparable quality.
Whichever brand you buy, you will get a superb instrument. Which one is
better? Sonor definitely has the edge in hardware quality (dig those
space age BD spurs!), but the bottom line is which one *sounds* better *to
you*. Everyone else's opinion in that area is just that -- their
opinion. If you can, you should let *your* ears make the decision for
you.
Before you drop the $$$, you should try to play both. Here are some
thoughts:
o You're two hours from the Twin Cities. There are several guys on this
list who are in that area, and could point you to some good shops.
o You may consider spending some time and/or $$$ on a visit to a city
(NYC, Nashville, ???) where you could easily play both.
o You might find guys within a reasonable distance who own one or the
other, and who would be willing to let you play them. This list might be
a good place to start looking.
All of this takes time and/or $$$, but you're gonna be spending thousands
(yikes!) before you're done. Think of it as an investment in getting
exactly the sound you're after.
Other details:
o If you decide to go with Gretsch, you should call around to some of the
larger Gretsch dealers (Fork's, Pro Percussion, etc.) to see what they
have in stock. You might save yourself a multi-month wait, and maybe also
get a better deal (they like to move on-hand stock!).
o If you decide to go with Gretsch, you may want to swap out some
hardware components (BD spurs, tom mounts) for better versions made by
other companies. Talk to your drum dealer about this.
Anyway, you're in the enviable position of having to choose between two
excellent options. Have fun!
Good luck!
Tom Betka wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I am obsessing about a new maple drum kit. I cannot decide between a
> Gretsch or a Designer kit. I've talked to everyone I can think--on
> both sides and in the middle. Trouble is, I have no drum shop near to
> play these drums in. I think there may be a shop in the Twin Cities (2
> hours drive), but finding the time to go has been difficult.
>
> So.... I'm taking a survey. Please give me your votes for either kit.
> But first some background: The drums will be used to play mainly
> rock/pop/country type gigs (you get the idea of the tuning required.)
> They will most likely NOT be used for Jazz, as it's been so long, I've
> forgotten HOW to play it...
>
> Sizes are 10, 12, 14, 16 & 16x22. May buy a snare too--I don't know
> yet. Money's not an issue... they both cost LOTS, but the prices are
> actually within 10% of each other.
>
> So what do you think--give me your votes, buy e-mail, post, phone,
> whatever. I'll keep track for however long it takes for this thread to
> die away. Oh....please don't suggest other drum brands--it's Sonor or
> Gretsch, only.
>
> BTW, Mark Polis, Rev and Rob--I've got you marked down for Sonor.
> Pat McDonald and George (drumguru) for Gretsch. If any of this is
> inaccurate, please advise.
>
> So, that's 3:2 Sonor. I'll keep you posted, and THANKS for the help.
>
> Tom
--
Russell Lane "You can't think and hit at the same time"
rus...@mediaone.net - Yogi Berra
Mike
a company which is riding on the back of its legacy. Heck, if you want to
do that, just buy Ludwig. :-)
Or, you can buy from a company that is still putting out the highest quality
and best sounding drums, period.
-MIKE-
13612
handmade by Mr. Brian SPAUN!
www.spaundrums.com
--
Best Regards,
13612
Bill Ray
http://home.earthlink.net/~drum13612
Mike <radc...@ohio.edu> wrote in message
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Cherie
kits
period.
Cherie
Glenn Dowdy
Tom Betka wrote in message <381f8cbb...@n9.supernews.com>...
>
>New Gretsch, or new Sonors..... thanks for your votes.
>
If money is no object, what's wrong with Pearl Masterworks? You can really
get what you want.
--
Glenn Dowdy
Buy your percussion needs from Steve Weiss - not A-V Music
215-659-0100
Mark Polis
Was this a serious post? I didn't think so.
--
o-----´ç Mark Polis ç mjp...@csrlink.net çª-----o
--
Glenn Dowdy wrote in message <7vn8aa$1vj$1...@hpcvnews.cv.hp.com>...
Jeffrey Speegle
I won a 5 x 12 and it is the most incredible drum that
I've ever played! PERIOD!
I'll order the rest of my Designer set in about 6 months. ;-)
...Just my $00.02 worth.
Jeffrey
Tom Betka wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I am obsessing about a new maple drum kit. I cannot decide between a
> Gretsch or a Designer kit. I've talked to everyone I can think--on
> both sides and in the middle. Trouble is, I have no drum shop near to
> play these drums in. I think there may be a shop in the Twin Cities (2
> hours drive), but finding the time to go has been difficult.
>
> So.... I'm taking a survey. Please give me your votes for either kit.
> But first some background: The drums will be used to play mainly
> rock/pop/country type gigs (you get the idea of the tuning required.)
> They will most likely NOT be used for Jazz, as it's been so long, I've
> forgotten HOW to play it...
>
> Sizes are 10, 12, 14, 16 & 16x22. May buy a snare too--I don't know
> yet. Money's not an issue... they both cost LOTS, but the prices are
> actually within 10% of each other.
>
> So what do you think--give me your votes, buy e-mail, post, phone,
> whatever. I'll keep track for however long it takes for this thread to
> die away. Oh....please don't suggest other drum brands--it's Sonor or
> Gretsch, only.
>
> BTW, Mark Polis, Rev and Rob--I've got you marked down for Sonor.
> Pat McDonald and George (drumguru) for Gretsch. If any of this is
> inaccurate, please advise.
>
> So, that's 3:2 Sonor. I'll keep you posted, and THANKS for the help.
>
> Tom
--
Jeffrey
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256-864-3461 | spe...@sgi.com
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Robert Schuh
> Tom Betka wrote in message <381f8cbb...@n9.supernews.com>...
> >
> >New Gretsch, or new Sonors..... thanks for your votes.
> >
>
> If money is no object, what's wrong with Pearl Masterworks? You can really
> get what you want.
>
> --
> Glenn Dowdy
> Buy your percussion needs from Steve Weiss - not A-V Music
> 215-659-0100
Glenn,
Put down the pipe my man!! Pearl is like buying an Chevy Impala! :-)
Jim Dwyer
and save some $. They are out there. The designers would be very hard to
find used. You can listen to my Gretsch kit by following this link. All of
the wav files were played on the Gretsch rosewood kit:
http://members.home.net/jmdwyer/jimsdrum.htm
--
Jim Dwyer
London Ontario Canada
Tom Betka <NoSPAM...@discover-net.net> wrote in message
news:381f1ac2...@n9.supernews.com...
Glenn Dowdy
Mark Polis wrote in message ...
>Glenn,
>Was this a serious post? I didn't think so.
>--
>>get what you want.
>>
Yeah, it was serious, if maybe a bit naive. Why wouldn't the Masterworks be
in the class of new Gretsch or Sonors? I'll try to filter through all of the
emotional responses I know I'll get from the G&S crowd, but if there are any
technical/measureable reasons, I'd love to hear them. I just picked up the
new Masterworks catalog, and I would think that being able to pick out shell
size, thickness, wood (including composites of multiple woods) would let
someone pick the exact drums they were looking for.
Tom betka
wrote:
>Get a used Gretsch kit. That way you can check on the quality for yourself
>and save some $. They are out there. The designers would be very hard to
>find used. You can listen to my Gretsch kit by following this link. All of
>the wav files were played on the Gretsch rosewood kit:
>
>http://members.home.net/jmdwyer/jimsdrum.htm
>
>--
Jim,
I checked it out.... COOL!!!
I like the looks of your Gretsch kit. I have always enjoyed the looks
of the Gretsch stuff, over the Sonor. But now the Designers are
starting to grow on me.
Bottom line--everyone says I gotta play these two kits to decide. I
think that's impossible to really do. I mean I've owned my RC kit for
about 9 years now, and I'm still learning about different head
combinations, tuning, etc... I'm sure that both of these kits would be
awesome--like so many of you have pointed out.
I think that if you buy a great kit, you'll like it--no matter what. I
think that there are alot of awesome kits out there; the DW's, the
Pearls, the sonors, the Gretschs, the Tamas...even the Spauns, the
Pork Pies, and the Gaithers. However, with so many great kits you
really have to buy what your heart is set on. Trouble is...I have
always dug the Sonor stuff as I'm a huge Steve Smith fan, AND I've
always been intigued by that Gretsch mystique. But until now I haven't
had to decide between them.
It's ironic though--this post has really illustrated the similarities
between a drummer's personality and their choice in drums. For
example, I have heard the Mercedes vs. Corvette analogy several times
when describing the Sonor vs. Gretsch debate. And knowing guys like
Mark Polis and Pat McDonald, I can understand *why* they have chosen
the drums they have--that's what *they're* like; that's what their
preferences are.
So....I guess I don't have to figure out what drums I want anymore--I
just gotta figure out what kind of guy I am... Now what'd I do with
that Psychiatrist's number.....?? Anybody got a couch???
Thanks everyone....
Tom
Tom betka
poll update, as of 5pm CDT 11/2/99:
For Gretsch:
1) Pat McDonald
2) Drumguru
3) David Northrup
4) Jay Epstein
5) Scott Hoffman
6) Evan (PeriscopeR)
For Sonor:
1) Rev. Poindexter
2) MarkoPolis
3) Rob Schuh
4) "Mike" (sorry don't know the last name)
5) Jeffrey Speegle
For I don't know who--or...I can't seem to follow instructions and
vote either Gretsch or Sonor... :>)
1) Russell Lane
2) "Cherie"
3) 13612 (damn Billy...even Schuh can make up his mind on this one--I
won't tell Brian Spaun which way you voted!!!)
4) Jim Dwyer (Love that website, BTW)
5) Glenn Dowdy
Thanks again to all of you who are participating. Oh, and don't
worry--I will still be making the decision. Just because the vote is
in favor of one or the other, doesn't mean that's what I'm buying.
This is FOR THE FUN OF IT!!! Hey, at least it got your attention off
the Schuh vs. 'the guy with the woody for him' contest for awhile...
Tom
Cherie
After another few hours of thought I've summized :
I would have to say you'd be better off with the Sonors over the Gretsch
They're both damn nice drums and you should be able to choose just by the
feel of sitting at them.. : ) sure...
I'll for go the hardware issues and etc.
Basically The resale holds stronger on The Sonors
There are def. fewer Sonor sets available vs the Gretsch
And you did probably think you'd keep those Yamaha's longer than you did
no?
Personally, I feel there are just too many nice drums out there for one
to be contented for very long. many many different flavors...
Cherie
http://www.repercussions.org/
Robert Schuh
> Mark Polis wrote in message ...
> >Glenn,
> >Was this a serious post? I didn't think so.
> >--
> >o-----´ç Mark Polis ç mjp...@csrlink.net çª-----o
> >--
> >
> >Glenn Dowdy wrote in message <7vn8aa$1vj$1...@hpcvnews.cv.hp.com>...
> >>
> >>If money is no object, what's wrong with Pearl Masterworks? You can really
> >>get what you want.
> >>
>
> Yeah, it was serious, if maybe a bit naive. Why wouldn't the Masterworks be
> in the class of new Gretsch or Sonors? I'll try to filter through all of the
> emotional responses I know I'll get from the G&S crowd, but if there are any
> technical/measureable reasons, I'd love to hear them. I just picked up the
> new Masterworks catalog, and I would think that being able to pick out shell
> size, thickness, wood (including composites of multiple woods) would let
> someone pick the exact drums they were looking for.
>
> --
> Glenn Dowdy
> Buy your percussion needs from Steve Weiss - not A-V Music
> 215-659-0100
Comparing ANY Pearl kit to Sonor is like comparing a Pontiac to a Rolls! :-)
Pearl is bad, just plain bad.
strat81
>worry--I will still be making the decision. Just because the vote is
>in favor of one or the other, doesn't mean that's what I'm buying.
>This is FOR THE FUN OF IT!!! Hey, at least it got your attention off
>the Schuh vs. 'the guy with the woody for him' contest for awhile...
If you are buying a new set, then go with Sonor. I'd say Gretsch if
you were gonna get an early 60's kit. BTW, what's wrong with Pearl,
Tama, Spaun, DW, et al. for maple sets?
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I love to hear you cry.
I love to see you die.
I'll be the first to watch your funeral.
And I'll be the last to leave.
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Rich '99 SL1
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Gene Miller
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Jay Epstein <x@x.x> wrote in message
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> NoSPAM...@discover-net.net (Tom Betka) wrote:
> >Hey all,
> >I am obsessing about a new maple drum kit. I cannot decide between a
> >Gretsch or a Designer kit. I've talked to everyone I can think--on
> >both sides and in the middle. Trouble is, I have no drum shop near to
> >play these drums in. I think there may be a shop in the Twin Cities (2
> >hours drive), but finding the time to go has been difficult.
> >So.... I'm taking a survey. Please give me your votes for either kit.
> >But first some background: The drums will be used to play mainly
> >rock/pop/country type gigs (you get the idea of the tuning required.)
> >They will most likely NOT be used for Jazz, as it's been so long, I've
> >forgotten HOW to play it...
> >Sizes are 10, 12, 14, 16 & 16x22. May buy a snare too--I don't know
> >yet. Money's not an issue... they both cost LOTS, but the prices are
> >actually within 10% of each other.
> >So what do you think--give me your votes, buy e-mail, post, phone,
> >whatever. I'll keep track for however long it takes for this thread to
> >die away. Oh....please don't suggest other drum brands--it's Sonor or
> >Gretsch, only.
> >BTW, Mark Polis, Rev and Rob--I've got you marked down for Sonor.
> >Pat McDonald and George (drumguru) for Gretsch. If any of this is
> >inaccurate, please advise.
> >So, that's 3:2 Sonor. I'll keep you posted, and THANKS for the help.
>
>
Gordy Gale
2. 1969 Ludwig Clear Vistalite
3. 1971 Pearl White Wood/Fiberglass
4. 1973 Gretsch Walnut stain
5. 1975 Tama Imperialstar Silver wrap
6. 1976 Slingerland Chrome over wood
7. 1978 No name japanese set (I was broke)
8. 1980 Camco "with Yield Sign" Yellow finish
9. 1982 Gretsch Wine Red stain
10. 1985 Ludwig White Marine Pearl wrap
11. 1986 Ludwig Chrome over Wood (from Randy Castillo)
12. 1988 Pearl MLX Black Lacquer (1st endorsement kit)
13. 1990 Tama Art Star II Amber Maple gloss
14. 1992 Tama Rock Star (broke again)
15. 1992 Pearl All Maple Fire Engine Red Lacquer
16. 1994 Darwin Black lacquer (2nd endorsement kit)
17. 1999 Darwin White Marine Pearl wrap
I also WON a Remo Gold Mirror finish kit at the GC Mark Craney Benefit
Raffle, I traded it back to the store. I bought a PTS kit too, for
casuals, yuk!
more to come...
--
Gordy Gale
Mark Polis
owned 'em would let 'em go!!!!!!
Jim Dwyer wrote in message ...
>Get a used Gretsch kit. That way you can check on the quality for yourself
>and save some $. They are out there. The designers would be very hard to
>find used. You can listen to my Gretsch kit by following this link. All
of
>the wav files were played on the Gretsch rosewood kit:
>
>http://members.home.net/jmdwyer/jimsdrum.htm
>
>--
>Jim Dwyer
>London Ontario Canada
>
>Tom Betka <NoSPAM...@discover-net.net> wrote in message
>news:381f1ac2...@n9.supernews.com...
Mark Polis
Powertone *and* COB Dynasonic (EXC) snare: $1,850.00.
The condition of the original wrap and chrome are ridiculous, the original
bass drum hoops were re-shot to gorgeous perfection. It's all original, all
COMPLETE. It's simply BEAUTIFUL, and sounds awesome.
Includes 60's Rogers "swan-legged" stands (2 swivo cymbal stands, mounted
swivo bass
drum L-arm, bass drum mounted swivo single tom arm and swan-legged snare
stand, hi-hat stand, SwivoMatic BD pedal and BD clip), all in EXC+
condition, both snare drums included, along with an extra Dyna snare frame,
and extra collets, set screws, etc. Original bass drum hoop inlays.
For PICK UP ONLY - will not ship.
Gene? You there? I saw Jonas Aronson (Amanda's Texas Underground) buy this
EXACT kit (but in WMP) and hardware package last Saturday at the PA Drum
Show for $1900 . Wonder what he'll SELL them for...
--
o-----´ç Mark Polis ç mjp...@csrlink.net çª-----o
--
Gene Miller wrote in message <7vo3tm$a...@news.or.intel.com>...
>I'll out tally. SEVEN Rogers sets. All maple. All great drums.
>
>Gene Miller
>http://www.rogersdrums.com
>
>Jay Epstein <x@x.x> wrote in message
>news:381e7824...@news.tcinternet.net...
>> NoSPAM...@discover-net.net (Tom Betka) wrote:
>> >Hey all,
>> >I am obsessing about a new maple drum kit. I cannot decide between a
>> >Gretsch or a Designer kit. I've talked to everyone I can think--on
>> >both sides and in the middle. Trouble is, I have no drum shop near to
>> >play these drums in. I think there may be a shop in the Twin Cities (2
>> >hours drive), but finding the time to go has been difficult.
>> >So.... I'm taking a survey. Please give me your votes for either kit.
>> >But first some background: The drums will be used to play mainly
>> >rock/pop/country type gigs (you get the idea of the tuning required.)
>> >They will most likely NOT be used for Jazz, as it's been so long, I've
>> >forgotten HOW to play it...
>> >Sizes are 10, 12, 14, 16 & 16x22. May buy a snare too--I don't know
>> >yet. Money's not an issue... they both cost LOTS, but the prices are
>> >actually within 10% of each other.
>> >So what do you think--give me your votes, buy e-mail, post, phone,
>> >whatever. I'll keep track for however long it takes for this thread to
>> >die away. Oh....please don't suggest other drum brands--it's Sonor or
>> >Gretsch, only.
>> >BTW, Mark Polis, Rev and Rob--I've got you marked down for Sonor.
>> >Pat McDonald and George (drumguru) for Gretsch. If any of this is
>> >inaccurate, please advise.
>> >So, that's 3:2 Sonor. I'll keep you posted, and THANKS for the help.
>>
>>
amwatts
--
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http://users.erols.com/amwatts/
Tom Betka <NoSPAM...@discover-net.net> wrote in message
news:381f1ac2...@n9.supernews.com...
amwatts
2. 1979 - Pearl Export
3. 1984 - Gretsch - ebony stain and still using them
4. 1989 - Yamaha Recording custom
5. 1991 - Pearl Export - My excuse is that my road crew was abusing the
Gretsch
6. 1995 - Pearl Masters Customs
7. 1998 - Gretsch - mid 70's kit
8. 1999 - RBH Custom made kit - www.rbhdrums.com
Tom Betka
Betka) wrote:
>BTW, Mark Polis, Rev and Rob--I've got you marked down for Sonor.
>Pat McDonald and George (drumguru) for Gretsch. If any of this is
>inaccurate, please advise.
>
>So, that's 3:2 Sonor. I'll keep you posted, and THANKS for the help.
>
>Tom
>
Tally update as of 11/2/99 at 7am Central:
Sonor 3
Gretsch 6
As for the drums--I've checked both kits out, 'superficially.' By that
I mean, held them, caressed them, viewed bearing edges... However, no
store that I've been to was willing to allow me to tune them as I
prefer, and then jam out. Anyway, I've picked the dealer to buy the
kit from--maybe I should fly to Fresno for the final test... Problem
is, he dosn't have the exact sizes, colors and configuration I would
order.
The reason I picked these two is that I'm sure of the quality of each.
I know, I know... Gretsch has had it's problems--all drum companies
have. But I think Gretsch has fixed alot of theirs--I tell you the
three gretsch kits I looked at 2 weeks ago were nearly perfect. The
ONLY thing I could find wrong with any of the kits was the gray paint
on the inside of one of the toms had some 'irregularities' in it. this
did not affect the sound of the tom, IMO. Otherwise the drums were
simly awesome--the edges, finish, chrome plating--everything was as
good as I've seen it.
BTW, I wanted to look at Slingerland seriously, but they are NOT
making drums anymore. They are supposedly moving from Nashville to
Memphis, but won't be shipping kits until probably the middle of next
summer. No one is even taking orders for them--a few people told me
they didn't think Slingerland would ever make drums again, but a
factory guy said may or June was when production would start, he
thought...
As for used drums--been through all of that. No thanks. Unless you
find someone with the sizes you want, in great condition, it won't
work. You end up not getting exactly what you want--then you're always
wondering if you chould have ordered a kit... been there, done that.
New Gretsch, or new Sonors..... thanks for your votes.
Tom
John Van Ness - DW
either the Gretsch or the Sonor...and a few years from now when you are still
curious about the one you didn't buy, you can sell the one you decided on and
get what you think you want. Got it?
To further demonstrate my point, here's a brief history of drumsets I've owned
in the order I've owned them (though I'm sure I'm forgetting some). I'll not
include cymbals in this because I owned Zildjian/Paiste/Sabian/UFIP at various
times.
Kit 1 - Leedy and Ludwig - White Marine 4-piece kit.
Kit 2 - 60's Slingerland - Various different sparkle colors
(eventually stripped, sanded, and painted Red Krylon).
Kit 3 - 70's Ludwig double-bass drums in Black wrap and Chrome Roto-toms
8/10/12/14/16/18 (early Bozzio influence!!!) I owned this kit for two weeks,
then was told by a band I auditioned for that I'd get the gig, but only if I
bought a "real" kit. I caved and got the gig. Doh!!!
Kit 4 - early 80's Tama Swingstar Black Wrap - This started out as a basic
6-piece and started growing shortly afterward. Two 22" kicks,
10/12/13/14/16/18, clear acrylic octobans, AND timbales. Premier Heavy Rock
Nine snare (I was in my Neil Peart phase about this time, and when I moved into
my Stewart Copeland phase after that, I sold some of it and kept just his basic
6-piece setup with Octobans)
Kit 5 - DW 6-piece in Cherry Sunburst (painted by Pat Foley actually), Tama
Tower Power Rack (not the full "cage" but damn close)
Kit 6 - Sonor "Sonorlite" Birch in Yellow Lacquer with Black hardware (the
stands were all black too. 2 18"x22" kicks, 8/10/12/13/15/18, 5x14 and 8x14
matching snares (eventually sold as 2 kits by the guy that bought it from me).
Kit 7 - DW 6-piece 22/10/12/14/16, 8x14 matching snare in Dark Purple Lacquer
with Mirra flakes and chrome HW (with may mics installed) and a Collarlock Rack
system.
Kit 8 - GMS in Fender's Seafoam Green (actually color-matched to a Jeff Beck
strat) with chrome HW 22/10/12/14/16 with a Solid Brass 6.5 x14 GMS snare with
Black HW.
Kit 9 - DW Transparent Purple fade over Birdseye with black HW -
22/8/10/12/14/16/18/7x14S, and a 5x13 matching Edge snare.
Kit 10 - DW Sea Green Metallic w/chrome - 16x22/10/12/15/5x14
Kit 11 - DW Purple to Magenta Fade over Silver Sparkle with chrome HW (This kit
was AWESOME!) 18x20, 5x8/7x10/9x12/11x14/5x14 matching snare with May mics
installed.
Kit 12 (current kit) Workshop Series in Cranberry Oil - 18x22, 10/12/14
w/matching 5x14 snare.
Okay so if you read this far, it's only fair of me to ask, what kits have other
RMMP shriners owned?
"Never accept someone else's inability to do something
over your ability to get it done"
Tom betka
wrote:
>Okay Tom
>After another few hours of thought I've summized :
>I would have to say you'd be better off with the Sonors over the Gretsch
>They're both damn nice drums and you should be able to choose just by the
>feel of sitting at them.. : ) sure...
>I'll for go the hardware issues and etc.
>Basically The resale holds stronger on The Sonors
>There are def. fewer Sonor sets available vs the Gretsch
>And you did probably think you'd keep those Yamaha's longer than you did
>no?
>Personally, I feel there are just too many nice drums out there for one
>to be contented for very long. many many different flavors...
>Cherie
> http://www.repercussions.org/
>Tom betka wrote:
>
No you got me all wrong..... I'm never selling the Yams. I don't think
the Sonors or the Gretsch will sound better than they do. However,
they will be probably be better-built, at least in the case of Sonor,
(which I expect several of you to point out.)
It's all about sound, though. The only reason I have ever gotten rid
of a kit is cause I didn't get into playing it--they just didn't "do
it" for me. They all sounded great though. I've heard other drummers
playing each of them, and they all sounded great. But if I don't get
that magic woody when I play them (figuratively, work with me here...)
then why own them??? There are so many great kits out--like you
pointed out. Find one that does it for you and stick with it. I hope
to never buy another kit after buying this one. I don't know if it'll
happen, but I hope it does.
Believe me, even though there's the thrill of getting a new kit
involved, I don't enjoy the pre-buy process much.
Tom
Chris Milillo
> 2. 1969 Ludwig Clear Vistalite
Me too! Don't know about the year though...Got 'em used.
> 5. 1975 Tama Imperialstar Silver wrap
Me too, again not sure of the year... used.
> 6. 1976 Slingerland Chrome over wood
> 7. 1978 No name japanese set (I was broke)
> 8. 1980 Camco "with Yield Sign" Yellow finish
> 9. 1982 Gretsch Wine Red stain
> 10. 1985 Ludwig White Marine Pearl wrap
> 11. 1986 Ludwig Chrome over Wood (from Randy Castillo)
> 12. 1988 Pearl MLX Black Lacquer (1st endorsement kit)
> 13. 1990 Tama Art Star II Amber Maple gloss
> 14. 1992 Tama Rock Star (broke again)
> 15. 1992 Pearl All Maple Fire Engine Red Lacquer
> 16. 1994 Darwin Black lacquer (2nd endorsement kit)
> 17. 1999 Darwin White Marine Pearl wrap
>
> I also WON a Remo Gold Mirror finish kit at the GC Mark Craney Benefit
> Raffle, I traded it back to the store. I bought a PTS kit too, for
> casuals, yuk!
>
> more to come...
>
> --
> Gordy Gale
--
Chris
Time for a new sig, but no time to think of one...
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http://www.bestweb.net/~cmilillo
Delete "SPAMOFF" from my return address to reply.
Jim Dwyer
--
Tom > For I don't know who--or...I can't seem to follow instructions and
> vote either Gretsch or Sonor... :>)
> 1) Russell Lane
> 2) "Cherie"
> 3) 13612 (damn Billy...even Schuh can make up his mind on this one--I
> won't tell Brian Spaun which way you voted!!!)
> 4) Jim Dwyer (Love that website, BTW)
> 5) Glenn Dowdy
Thanks for visiting the site!
I have owned quite a few drumsets and if you can afford it buy and try as
many as possible! It takes time to get used to tuning, playing, and
tweaking a kit and you get fond of some and frustrated with others. (BUT
they are easier to figure out than women!)
Owned: (kits and snares)
Pearl (1). Ludwig(3), Gretsch(4), Sonor(1), Yamaha(1), DW(1), Rogers(2),
Premier (1), Coronet (the first), Pyramid(1), etc.
Want to own/try: (kits and/or snares)
Aoytte, Spawn, Pork Pie, Gaither, Sonor, Olchtree, that titanium snare drum,
etc.
I wish I had the time and money to just buy all of this stuff and wood shed
on them to my hearts content!
Tom betka
wrote:
>
>poll update, as of 11:30pm CDT 11/2/99:
>
>For Gretsch:
>1) Pat McDonald
>2) Drumguru
>3) David Northrup
>4) Jay Epstein
>5) Scott Hoffman
>6) Evan (PeriscopeR)
7) amwatts
>
>For Sonor:
>1) Rev. Poindexter
>2) MarkoPolis
>3) Rob Schuh
>4) "Mike" (sorry don't know the last name)
>5) Jeffrey Speegle
6) "Cherie"
>
This is getting interesting. Actually, I think I've made up my
mind--but I'm not going to say anything now. Let's wait and see how
the final tally turns out.
What I did was sit down with all the catalogs of G&S I could find,
then spend several hours on the internet searching. Then, I pulled out
as many videos of TV concerts, videos, CD's, etc... as I have and
tried to listen for the differences. You know what I found??? Not much
difference in the sound of the drums. Like we've all been saying for
some time--buy a great set of drums and you can tune them for a wide
variety of sounds, depending on head selection.
We'll see what the final count is--I'm surprised that it's so close,
given the bad rap that Gretsch has been getting lately. I'd figured it
would be a landslide for Sonor...
Tom
Scott Hoffman
You know what I found??? Not much
>difference in the sound of the drums. Like we've all been saying for
>some time--buy a great set of drums and you can tune them for a wide
>variety of sounds, depending on head selection
Hey Tom, if this really is the case here, and you feel that the price and
sound and quality are so close, I'd like to give you my sage advise and the
really shallow but to me sensible solution:
Buy the kit that looks the coolest! Really, I'm serious. Find out what
finish by either company really turns you on the most, and the one that you
would really be kicking yourself for not getting because you let this poll
really get to you and caused you to overrationalize your purchase... and
just F%$&ING BUY THOSE! :=)LOL!
Seriously though, I know I really searched high and low for the Gretsch kit
I wanted in Burnt Orange lacquer. I found it in my sizes and have just loved
every aspect of them. Now of course they sound great, but I look at it this
way too, I may play them about an hour or so a day and a couple hours on the
gig, but for the most part I'm NOT playing them. The other 20-22 hours a day
I am LOOKING at them, and realisticly if I did not find them aestheticly
pleasing to my eye, I just would regret having them after a while and wish I
had something that really looked great too. By the way, it won't hurt to
have a really hot looking kit that you can take to your gigs and be proud of
the sound and look too.
Cheers!
Scott Hoffman, Philly
Until next time, keep time.
Allan
Well I have been a proud Sonor player for 14 years and nothing I have
played can compare to my Sonor's I have 4 Sonor snares and 2 kit's, one
is a Signature 7pc. and the other is a 10pc Phonic plus High Tech,
Bolth of these ktis are over 13 years old and they still look and sound
great, Even after hundreds of set-ups and tear downs the hardware is
still in great shape,this proves Sonor's build quality, And the look
and the sound is un-matched in my book, An the drums keep there value
well..
And when was the last time you said Wow!.... look at that cool Gretsch
kit?.. I don't think I have ever heard that?..( Allans getting ready
for a big stink over this..)
Allan
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Rev. Poindexter incognito
<DRUM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
If that's the case Scott, then the Sonor wins hands down with its hardware.
Speaking of hardware, the Gretsch hardware is a mediocre Tama Titan copy at
best. I've owned several Gretsch stands for years - they haven't changed
the design on the current ones at all. I got rid of them once I got enough
Sonor Phonic and Signature stands to replace them with. The Sonor stands
wipe the floor with the Grestch - no question. Just one more variable to
add to the mix.
RP
--
Poindexter the Xenophonic
poind...@subgenius.com
RTOABSONAFOR
Rev. Poindexter incognito
>
> Glenn,
> Put down the pipe my man!! Pearl is like buying an Chevy Impala! :-)
Chevette. A rusted 1984 model at that...
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "There Can be Only One!"
> Stevie, Trane, Jaco, Jimi and Bird are GODS!
> Donate your organs. Save a life.
> Proud Endorser of Spaun Drums
--
Rev. Poindexter incognito
<amw...@erols.com> wrote:
Simple tastes. Like cars, I buy kits and keep them forever.
1966 Ludwig Super Classic (had 'em since 1978 or so)
60's Pearl - looked a lot like Ludwig Standards only built cheaper. I
bought them in Alaska for $250 - kept the Zildjian cymbals & Ludwig
hardware and sold the drums for $150 a couple months later.
1984 Sonor Phonic Plus - awesome kit - too big for the work I do now. I
"living willed" them to one of my best friends a few months ago.
1986 or 87 Sonor Performer - nice little kit especially for the price I paid.
On the radar screen: Either a Sonorlite Birch finish kit or a Designer
Series white sparkle lacquer kit with split lugs. Just arranging the
financing...
RP
PeriscopeR
I have never played the Sonor Designer, and if $ was not an issue, i might opt
for the Sonors. The hardware is a little overkill though, wouldn't you say?
c'mon- nobody plays that hard! They do put more thought and finesse into their
drums than anyone, i have to admit. the craftsmanship is unmatched. but then
again, I have a thing about drums being "too precious"- sometimes i don't even
like to take a lacquer kit on a gig cause it could get all banged up!
e
Glenn Dowdy
Robert Schuh wrote in message <381F8BCB...@yahoo.com>...
>Glenn Dowdy wrote:
>
>> Mark Polis wrote in message ...
>> >Glenn,
>> >Was this a serious post? I didn't think so.
>> >--
>> >
>> >Glenn Dowdy wrote in message <7vn8aa$1vj$1...@hpcvnews.cv.hp.com>...
>> >>
>> >>If money is no object, what's wrong with Pearl Masterworks? You can
really
>> >>get what you want.
>> >>
>>
>> Yeah, it was serious, if maybe a bit naive. Why wouldn't the Masterworks
be
>> in the class of new Gretsch or Sonors? I'll try to filter through all of
the
>> emotional responses I know I'll get from the G&S crowd, but if there are
any
>> technical/measureable reasons, I'd love to hear them. I just picked up
the
>> new Masterworks catalog, and I would think that being able to pick out
shell
>> size, thickness, wood (including composites of multiple woods) would let
>> someone pick the exact drums they were looking for.
>>
>> --
>> Glenn Dowdy
>> Buy your percussion needs from Steve Weiss - not A-V Music
>> 215-659-0100
>
>Comparing ANY Pearl kit to Sonor is like comparing a Pontiac to a Rolls!
:-)
>Pearl is bad, just plain bad.
>
Remember, Rob, you're writing to a mathematician, here. I need more evidence
than "bad, just plain bad". Has anyone here ever actually heard or played a
Pearl Masterworks kit? What were your impressions? The main reason I'm
asking is that I'm planning on pulling a Schuh and winning the Drum!
magazine contest. Wait a minute, that's Rob's angle - badmouth them and
win'em. Hey, only one per customer.
Scott Hoffman
2. 1971-Rogers-Mahogany
3. 1984-Gretsch-Carpathian Elmwood w/chrome (not an Anniversary kit)
4. 1965-Gretsch-Burgundy Sparkle
5. 1951-Radio King-WMP
6. 1968-Rogers-Red Sparkle Londoner V (still own)
7. 1972-Hayman-Silver Showman (still own)
8. 1996-Pork Pie-Red Slop
9. 1968-Ludwig-Mod Orange
10.1969-Ludwig- Psyche Red
11.1968-Lugwig-Oyster Black Ringo kit (still own)
12.1961-Ludwig-Black Galaxy (still own, and is for sale!)
13.1997-Pearl Masters Maple-Silver Sparkle Anniversary kit
14.1996-GMS-Champagne Sparkle lacquer
15.1965-Gretsch-Champagne Sparkle (still own)
16.1988-Sonorlite-Scandanavian Birch
17.1998-Ayotte woodhoop-Arizona Sunrise
18.1998-Gretsch-Burnt Orange (still own)
19.1998- Pearl Masters Mahogany Ltd. (still own, and is for sale!)
20.........Who knows????
Dr. Speed
2: early 60's Gretsch, 3D Gold Swirl finish
3: 19?? Scott, Blue Plastic finish (POS)
4: 19?? Purecussion w/tunable heads
5: 1979 Ludwig Rockers Red Plastic finish
Dr. Speed
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experience with those drums.
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13612
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Tom betka <tcb...@discover-net.net> wrote in message
news:381f694...@n9.supernews.com...
>
> poll update, as of 5pm CDT 11/2/99:
>
> For Gretsch:
> 1) Pat McDonald
> 2) Drumguru
> 3) David Northrup
> 4) Jay Epstein
> 5) Scott Hoffman
> 6) Evan (PeriscopeR)
>
> For Sonor:
> 1) Rev. Poindexter
> 2) MarkoPolis
> 3) Rob Schuh
> 4) "Mike" (sorry don't know the last name)
> 5) Jeffrey Speegle
>
> For I don't know who--or...I can't seem to follow instructions and
> vote either Gretsch or Sonor... :>)
> 1) Russell Lane
> 2) "Cherie"
> 3) 13612 (damn Billy...even Schuh can make up his mind on this one--I
> won't tell Brian Spaun which way you voted!!!)
> 4) Jim Dwyer (Love that website, BTW)
> 5) Glenn Dowdy
>
>
> Thanks again to all of you who are participating. Oh, and don't
> worry--I will still be making the decision. Just because the vote is
> in favor of one or the other, doesn't mean that's what I'm buying.
> This is FOR THE FUN OF IT!!! Hey, at least it got your attention off
> the Schuh vs. 'the guy with the woody for him' contest for awhile...
>
> Tom
>
Robert Schuh
Evan,
The most perverse thing is that there is little price difference between the two.
That is just further proof to Gretsch being a bunch of con artists. Tell me, how in
the fuck could those drums with shit hardware, bought shells and no shipping
charges cost as much as ALL in house hardware, shells meticulous quality control
and shipping across the ocean?
JB
2. '78 Slingerland 9 piece in Black Chrome, 26" kick
3. '70something Slingerland 18kick, 12,13 16 nice kit
4. 1986 Eames still have. Great kit 16 ply snare kicks ass
5. Pearl World Series, Black
7 1994 Pearl Prestige Session in Cherry Sunburst, still have, great
kit.
Bondo36980
>kit?.. I don't think I have ever heard that?..( Allans getting ready
>for a big stink over this..)
>
>Allan
my gigs. I have had four Gretsch kits in the last few years and it did not
matter if I was playing my satin flame round badge kit or the 50's kit with the
18" BD, I get tons of praise for the cool look and the killer sound. Gretsch is
the drum of choice if you want the cool jazz historical aura and vibe.
Allen
"Elvin played Gretsch and K's and so do I"
Mark Polis
(ugly). He tuned them up, then he played them for me so proudly. I acted
impressed. They sucked. They really sucked.
Glenn Dowdy wrote in message <7vpt1j$lbi$1...@hpcvnews.cv.hp.com>...
>Has anyone here ever actually heard or played a
>Pearl Masterworks kit? What were your impressions?
>--
>Glenn Dowdy
strat81
>way too, I may play them about an hour or so a day and a couple hours on the
>gig, but for the most part I'm NOT playing them. The other 20-22 hours a day
>I am LOOKING at them, and realisticly if I did not find them aestheticly
You look at your drums 22 hours a day? Don't you have a job? Don't u
sleep at all? =)
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Masters (not Masterworks) in Plat Mist also that sounded wonderful. Now ,I
have to admit that Dennis Chambers was playing them. But, I did hear the
same set a week previous to that being played by Dave DiCenso giving a
clinic and they sounded great then. I do play a Sonor-Phonic kit too and to
me the Pearls sounded as good.
ED W
> From: "Mark Polis" <mjp...@csrlink.net>
> Organization: Newscene Public Access Usenet News Service
> (http://www.newscene.com/)
> Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.percussion
> Date: 3 Nov 1999 17:56:04 -0600
> Subject: Re: Gretsch vs. Sonor...your votes please
>
> My friend just bought a set in that Platinum Mist color, or whatever it is
> (ugly). He tuned them up, then he played them for me so proudly. I acted
> impressed. They sucked. They really sucked.
> --
> o-----´ç Mark Polis ç mjp...@csrlink.net çª-----o
Bermuda Schwartz
Ludwig Standard 5-pc (c1969)
Yamaha Stage series 5-pc (c1980)
Corder 5-pc
Remo PTS 5-pc (2 kits)
Remo PTS Jr. 4-pc
Simmons SDS-8
North 6-pc (kick & toms only)
Sonor Phonic-Plus 5 pc
Simmons SDS-9
Impact 8-pc
Impact 7-pc (3 kits)
Impact 5-pc (3 kits)
Impact 4-pc
Staccato 6-pc
Ludwig Super Classic 4-pc
Gretsch 4-pc (early 50s)
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Currently, I have the Corders, Simmons 8's, Remo PTS Jr, and about 6
Impact kits.
Bermuda
Jonathan Peirce
2. Reuther 5 piece...sorry shuh, theyre sold :-)
3. 13 piece Tama Imperialstars, silver, all concert toms...sold
4. Ludwig 4 Piece Butcher Block finish...24/13/18 nice kit...sold to
church
5. Tama Rockstars 5 piece. [for rehearsal studio]... sold
6. Pearl MX Maple kit, 18/12/14 my Berklee jazz kit...sold
7. Pearl Professional DX 25 anniversary in MIRROR BALL finish, a great
kit, and just amazing under lights...SOLD...SHIT SHIT SHIT I WANT IT
BACK!!!!!!!!!!!
8. Sonor Phonic Phonic Plus...LOTS of them.
22/8/10/12/13/14/15/16/16/18/8 snare
9. Sonorlite Scan Birch, great kit, Robb W has them.
10. DW in Purple with Gold Hardware, May mics, STM mounts
24/13/16/18/6...sold
I know theres more, but these ones came to mind!!!
oh wait...
simmons SDS8 sold
simmons SDS7 sold
Roland TD7 Turbo, just got yesterday!
and over 20 years of collecting cymbals [last count 44] snares,
hardware percussion etc etc...
jp
In article <poindexter-ya024080...@enews.newsguy.com>,
Glenn Dowdy
Mark Polis wrote in message ...
>(ugly). He tuned them up, then he played them for me so proudly. I acted
>impressed. They sucked. They really sucked.
Masters, or Masterworks?
drumguru
--
George Lawrence
drumset artist, teacher, author
Nashville TN
SEE ROCK CITY
(or my business website constantly under
construction at http://www.drumguru.com)
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Mark Polis
Pearl badges on the drumshells, and the next thing I knew my eyes glazed
over and rolled way back in my head. It was real ugly.
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Glenn Dowdy wrote in message <7vsdf4$e5r$1...@hpcvnews.cv.hp.com>...
Joshmcn
2) late 60's Zimgar--brown swirl
3)5-piece Tama rockstar DX--white
4) 4-piece Apollo--red satin flame
5) 5-piece synsonics--black
6) 5-piece royce---black
7)6-piece purecussion
8)4-piece gretsch (20,12,14 w/4x14) white satin flame
9)4-piece ludwig blue vistalite
10)4-piece Rogers holiday kit in midnight blue pearl
11)7-piece Tama granstar---cherry rose
12)Roland TD-7 electric kit
13)6-piece Rogers dayton (new England white)
14)5-piece 80's gretsch---red lacquer
15)5-piece Tama starclassic performer--
Green lacquer
16)my newest addition--7piece DW collectors series...WMP with all brass
hardware...matching EDGE snare...
other snares I've used:
Tama swingstar
Ludwig COB supraphonic
steel slingerland
maple gretsch
Rogers superten
Tama starclassic
DW Edge
cases: Always used H&B Enduro with foam
sticks: always the trusty Pro-mark 2B Hickory with nylon tip