Bearing Edge Custom Bums
Jonathan Catuccio
Hope your all well. I recently discovered a vertical crack in my snare
rim....my kit is from Kevin Pinson's Bearing Edge custom Drums.
Emailed him about two months ago and got a response about sending a
picture. that's it.
Usual style for KP unfortunately. No phone number on the home page (I
'm sure you could dig it up). This kit took 6 months! to arrive a few
years ago. And the rims, they're undersides that sit on the bearing
edges aren't even flat, they go up 7 down making perfect tuning
impossible.
The mounting system for the toms is unstable and stresses the shell to
the point of creating a cracks in the wood.
The veneer while pretty, is IMO opinion, unprofessional. He kind of
decides who he's dealing with and if he believes your a "nice" person
he'll have one of his minions do the work. My kit has "healed" patches
of veneer and other blemishes.
I lived with it because after 6 months I really never wanted anyting
to do with him again.
I am really wanting some simple kit now since I have a bad taste in my
mouth. I REALLY don't want to call him and then have to wait another 4
months for some hoop to be finished then three more months till it
gets mailed to me.
I do like this kit but it's been a headache in more ways than one.
BTW, the hoop cracked from minimal playing, maybe playing once a day
for 30 minutes for a year at the very most, honestly probably half of
that.....go figure.
Jon catuccio
if that Message 1 in thread
From: Robert Campbell (rcamp...@indy.rr.com)
Subject: Bearing Edge - endless delays...
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Date: 2004-05-24 18:04:24 PST
Dear RMMPers,
Last October, I ordered a Bearing Edge snare drum from Kevin Pinson of
Bearing Edge Custom Drums. This is not the first drum I've bought
from
Kevin (I own several others), so I paid in advance. However, unlike
previous purchases, I never received the drum. Kevin sent me several
emails
about the drum shipping out soon (i.e., it's in the mail), but nothing
ever
arrived. I've emailed him countless times over the months. I've
tried
calling him several times and never gotten through. On one occasion
several
months back, he explained that he was having trouble getting lugs from
his
supplier (not in person of course). I told him to send me the shell
and I
would put the lugs on myself....no reply. I actually threatened to
file in
Small Claims Court if he did not send me a refund by the end of the
month
(still might actually do it since I'll be in S. Carolina in 2 weeks),
but to
no avail.
The bottom line is that I'm out the money and very disappointed.
Kevin lead
me to believe that he was an honest, reliable guy. In the past, he
took a
bit of time to deliver a drum, but at least the communication was good
& I
finally received the drum (very nice work by the way). I believe I've
been
cordial and patient. My patience, however, has its limits.
A long time ago, I defended Kevin in a dispute with Ronn Dunnett
(about
Kevin owing him some money or merchandise - I don't recall the
details). I
asked Ronn to give Kevin a second chance and Ronn graciously did so.
I
always try to find the good in people, and naively defend the
"underdog"
whenever possible. Kevin made me believe at the time "that it was
just a
misunderstanding"...I now regret defending Kevin. If Kevin were truly
trustworthy, he would have called (he has my home phone number) or
emailed.
I would have understood if he had come by hard times; we all do at one
time
or another. I really believed in Kevin. I wish the situation were
otherwise.
So that is my experience. If you place an order with Kevin, please do
so at
your own risk. My experience may be unique; please use your own
judgment.
I'm curious if anyone else has had order problems this past year with
Bearing Edge.
Again to Ronn - my apologies - you were right & I was wrong...
Bob Campbell
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From: Dan Radin (dan....@veriWORMzon.net)
Subject: Re: Bearing Edge - endless delays...
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Date: 2004-05-24 18:33:08 PST
"Robert Campbell" <rcamp...@indy.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Last October, I ordered a Bearing Edge snare drum from Kevin Pinson of
> Bearing Edge Custom Drums. <snip>
> I never received the drum. Kevin sent me several emails
> about the drum shipping out soon (i.e., it's in the mail), but nothing ever
> arrived. I've emailed him countless times over the months. I've tried
> calling him several times and never gotten through. <snip>
> The bottom line is that I'm out the money and very disappointed. Kevin lead
> me to believe that he was an honest, reliable guy.
Bob,
I'm sorry to hear about your misfortune. Unfortunately, this is far
from the
only experience with BE I've heard that reads similarly. Several other
RMMPers have had similar experiences, and I've heard these types of
recounts
at an alarmingly high rate outside of the group as well.
Though I feel badly making a negative blanket statement about an
industry
member, it seems necessary in this case. It's my recommendation that
drummers not do further business with Bearing Edge/Kevin Pinson. There
are
plenty of other companies who do great things with Keller shells,
there are
other beautiful finishes out there and wood hoops aren't hard to come
by.
--
Dan Radin
Message 3 in thread
From: Robert Schuh (r...@robschuh.com)
Subject: Re: Bearing Edge - endless delays...
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Date: 2004-05-25 17:39:59 PST
Robert Campbell wrote:
> Dear RMMPers,
>
> Last October, I ordered a Bearing Edge snare drum from Kevin Pinson of
> Bearing Edge Custom Drums. This is not the first drum I've bought from
> Kevin (I own several others), so I paid in advance. However, unlike
> previous purchases, I never received the drum. Kevin sent me several emails
> about the drum shipping out soon (i.e., it's in the mail), but nothing ever
> arrived. I've emailed him countless times over the months. I've tried
> calling him several times and never gotten through. On one occasion several
> months back, he explained that he was having trouble getting lugs from his
> supplier (not in person of course). I told him to send me the shell and I
> would put the lugs on myself....no reply. I actually threatened to file in
> Small Claims Court if he did not send me a refund by the end of the month
> (still might actually do it since I'll be in S. Carolina in 2 weeks), but to
> no avail.
>
> The bottom line is that I'm out the money and very disappointed. Kevin lead
> me to believe that he was an honest, reliable guy. In the past, he took a
> bit of time to deliver a drum, but at least the communication was good & I
> finally received the drum (very nice work by the way). I believe I've been
> cordial and patient. My patience, however, has its limits.
>
> A long time ago, I defended Kevin in a dispute with Ronn Dunnett (about
> Kevin owing him some money or merchandise - I don't recall the details). I
> asked Ronn to give Kevin a second chance and Ronn graciously did so. I
> always try to find the good in people, and naively defend the "underdog"
> whenever possible. Kevin made me believe at the time "that it was just a
> misunderstanding"...I now regret defending Kevin. If Kevin were truly
> trustworthy, he would have called (he has my home phone number) or emailed.
> I would have understood if he had come by hard times; we all do at one time
> or another. I really believed in Kevin. I wish the situation were
> otherwise.
>
> So that is my experience. If you place an order with Kevin, please do so at
> your own risk. My experience may be unique; please use your own judgment.
> I'm curious if anyone else has had order problems this past year with
> Bearing Edge.
>
> Again to Ronn - my apologies - you were right & I was wrong...
>
> Bob Campbell
bob,
I thought it was known well before you sent him $ that the guy is a
flake? To be
honest too, he is only making a cosmetically good drum, not a good
sounding
drum. You may need to look in the mirror on this one as this guy was
well known
as someone who could not be trusted. I am sorry that it happened
though.
Take care
Rob
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche
Robert Schuh
This Kevin Pinson is THE biggest con man in the industry. he has ripped off at
least a dozen people by sending NO product and when he does, it is shit. He needs
to get tossed in the slammer.
Dunnett
Edge. I had hoped that Kevin had overcome whatever challenges he faced
on a personal and business level.
There are a few more builders who have managed to get themselves
blacklisted - some names you wouldn't expect.
Then again some, like Wayne Hawthorn (True North) who post racial
slurs, threats and defamatory fabrications on certain forums for thier
own bemusement, well, you never know what to expect.
It's crazy out there - be careful.
Sean Conolly
news:3dc0d96e.0408...@posting.google.com...
First it was crazed Nam vets, now crazed drum builders. The streets aren't
safe anymore!
Sean
Sonall
He rips people off and tries to make them feel like they are the bad
guys.
He stole money from me and I hope what goes around comes around.
I'll make sure when NAMM comes around that I wear a shirt that says
Kevin Pinson is a thief do not buy Bearing Edge drums!
John_Clark
arrived in the wrong finish, wrong sizes, two drums damaged to the
point of being unusable, lug threading all mangled up, patchy veneer
work, oval hoops and badly scratched hardware. We'lll see what happens.
JC
Robert Schuh
John,
Good luck. I think by this time everyone knows that Kevin Pinson is THE
charlatan of the drum world. I am sorry for your loss, but you have to move
on. Trying to get Kevin to do the right thing is like asking George Wallace
to marry a black woman! :-)
John Clark
"Robert Schuh" <r...@robschuh.com> wrote in message
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John Clark
standard phone number and email address?
Thanks,
JC
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Jonathan Catuccio
I'll check and see if I have any contact info & will post back. I want
to get rid of this kit on principle, but I may try to find someone in
Florida who can work in the rim(underside) issues and maybe build or
fix the snare hoop.
Big FUCK YOU to K.Pinson!
Jon Catuccio
"John Clark" <jo...@johnNOTHISBITclark.me.uk> wrote in message news:<mi%_c.10$LJ...@newreader.ukcore.bt.net>...
Gregg Anderson
bearing edge, and attach hardware does not make one a 'drum maker'. I
bought a burled walnut snare on eBay last year and the thing was a
piece of crap. Luckily, I didn't pay much for it but his
craftsmanship was horrible. 2 of the lugs were not straight (which
led to some tuning 'issues') and the finish was horribly inconsistent.
And, most importantly, it sounded as good as any cheap, crappy snare
drum- wood hoops and all...
As for his character and ethics- That I can't speak too but, if the
previous posts are correct, sounds like his craftsman ship is a direct
reflection of his ‘self'…
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Dunnett
I found this interesting, in part because I don't buy into religion
period.
"The most important thing you need to know about me is that the Lord
Jesus Christ is my savior and He changed my life forever. I know I
have a place prepared for me in His kingdom for all eternity...Do you?
May the Peace of the Lord that passes all understanding Bless You and
Keep You This Day!!"
Amen.
Riddim
I'm sure there's a place for him. It's probably warmer than he expects.
Religion is no excuse for being a fraud.
Robert Schuh
Kevin is the kind if guy who ruins it for people who are genuine in their
beliefs. He is a world class con man.
Robert Schuh
It just makes him a bigger hypocrite.
Jonathan Catuccio
Robert Schuh <r...@robschuh.com> wrote in message news:<4140B35C...@robschuh.com>...
adm...@modiaone.net
re-set. Could be as simple as bad solder on the asiic chip or a bad
chip itself. For what these sell for, Alesis/Numark will probably not
attempt to repair something like this. Your retailer should probably
replace this one with a new in the box one and then he'll get a credit
from Alesis (or whoever brings them into the U.K.)
(info courtesy of a 11 year veteran of the old Alesis regime. I am
however not this person I only work with him)
Kurt
adm...@modiaone.net
adm...@modiaone.net wrote:
This should be in the alesis drum machine thread.
I don't know how it happened. My apologies.
Kurt