Vinnie's new drums
Carolyn Noone
I know that there are a lot of people who will disagree with me, but I've
been listening to Vinnie's playing for quite a while, and I think that his
drum sound was better when he was playing Yamahas. Sting's new CD has a
dull, almost bland drum sound on a lot of the tracks. Of course, that may
just be a producer's prerogative. But compare "Mercury Falling" to "Ten
Summoner's" and see if you hear that difference as well. I personally use
a Yamaha Recording Custom, so it may be a customer bias. Any thoughts?
Also, does anyone know exactly why he made the switch?
MuffinHead
cno...@pobox.upenn.edu (Carolyn Noone) wrote:
Or maybe it's because he's bored out of his gourd on Mercury Falling.
:) Boredom would cause him not to play with as much feeling, which would
create a less colorful drum sound.
But to be fair, I've only heard two tunes from MF. I'll pick it up if
there's hope of better music on the rest of the album. What happened to
Mr. Sting? Did VH1 finally have an affect on him or what? Why why why?
What's a mother to do?
MuffinHead
Drummer, Mac geek Armpit Studios VIII
http://www.winternet.com/~muff/ Plymouth, MN
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TJP
Mu...@winternet.com (MuffinHead) wrote:
> But to be fair, I've only heard two tunes from MF. I'll pick it up if
> there's hope of better music on the rest of the album.
There is great music on the record.... It's more introspective and
requires a little more listening. Also... brilliant writing on odd
meters again.
What happened to
> Mr. Sting?
Nothing. He's just not 25 anymore. He's over 40 and his music is older
too. It's more mature and has much more depth than anything he did with
the police. Roxanne is behind him. (though, I love that too) I seriously
doubt he could have written a tune with the impact of 'seven days' (from
10 summoners) when he was in the police or even in his first solo record.
There are tunes of equal weight on this record. HIs creativity is
staggering. It's a shame some of his 'fans' need teen rebellion from a
quadragenarion. I'm not saying you personally want that from him... it's
just a shame to me that writing great music isn't enough.
James Walker
>
> I know that there are a lot of people who will disagree with me, but
> I've been listening to Vinnie's playing for quite a while, and I think
> that his drum sound was better when he was playing Yamahas.
Sorry to be ignorant, but what has he switched to?!
james
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>I know that there are a lot of people who will disagree with me, but I've
>been listening to Vinnie's playing for quite a while, and I think that his
>drum sound was better when he was playing Yamahas. Sting's new CD has a
>dull, almost bland drum sound on a lot of the tracks. Of course, that may
>just be a producer's prerogative. But compare "Mercury Falling" to "Ten
>Summoner's" and see if you hear that difference as well. I personally use
>a Yamaha Recording Custom, so it may be a customer bias. Any thoughts?
>Also, does anyone know exactly why he made the switch?
>
>
On the way down stairs to check in out. Let you know my opinion.
Marc
'Barbizon' R. Ananda
> > But to be fair, I've only heard two tunes from MF. I'll pick it up if
> > there's hope of better music on the rest of the album.
>
> There is great music on the record.... It's more introspective and
> requires a little more listening. Also... brilliant writing on odd
> meters again.
Right on. That tune "I Hung My Head" gives me shivers whenever
I hear Vinnie's 9/8 phrasings. The opening of that tune is SOOOO
cool, he leaves an amazing amount of space in the groove (kick on 1
and 6 and a snare someplace) that gradually builds and builds
into to the stuff we're used to hearing from Vinnie (accurate beyond
belief 32nd notes in fills, phrasing over the bar, bizarre accent
patterns, etc.).
>
> What happened to
> > Mr. Sting?
>
> Nothing. He's just not 25 anymore. He's over 40 and his music is older
> too. It's more mature and has much more depth than anything he did with
> the police. Roxanne is behind him. (though, I love that too) I seriously
> doubt he could have written a tune with the impact of 'seven days' (from
> 10 summoners) when he was in the police or even in his first solo record.
> There are tunes of equal weight on this record. HIs creativity is
> staggering. It's a shame some of his 'fans' need teen rebellion from a
> quadragenarion. I'm not saying you personally want that from him... it's
> just a shame to me that writing great music isn't enough.
Agreed. I'm twenty-one and seem to be the only one in my age group
who still looks forward to Sting albums. Fine musicianship and
well above average lyrics make his albums probably the most worthwhile
listening in the pop genre than any other.
--RAhul Ananda
MuffinHead
tom...@carroll.com (TJP) wrote:
>In article <Muff-03049...@mpls-ppp-193-35.dialup.winternet.com>,
>Mu...@winternet.com (MuffinHead) wrote:
>
>> What happened to Mr. Sting?
>Nothing. He's just not 25 anymore. He's over 40 and his music is older
>too. It's more mature and has much more depth than anything he did with
>the police. Roxanne is behind him. (though, I love that too) I seriously
>doubt he could have written a tune with the impact of 'seven days' (from
>10 summoners) when he was in the police or even in his first solo record.
>There are tunes of equal weight on this record. HIs creativity is
>staggering. It's a shame some of his 'fans' need teen rebellion from a
>quadragenarion. I'm not saying you personally want that from him... it's
>just a shame to me that writing great music isn't enough.
I was only speaking of the difference between Mercury Falling and the
last album. 10ST was full of energetic stuff - even the hits. In fact,
none of his prior solo albums have had anything truly boring. For the
first time in his *entire* career, he's written stuff that I actually turn
off when it comes on the radio (Let Your Soul...).
But this is getting pretty far off-topic, so I'll stop now.
MuffinHead
Drummer, Mac geek Armpit Studios VIII
http://www.winternet.com/~muff/ Plymouth, MN
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Kevin S.
cno...@pobox.upenn.edu (Carolyn Noone) wrote:
>I know that there are a lot of people who will disagree with me, but I've
>been listening to Vinnie's playing for quite a while, and I think that his
>drum sound was better when he was playing Yamahas.
You know what's amazing is that if you were to look at Stings "10 Sumners
Tales" video you would notice that he did not record that album with his
Yamahas. He "usually recorded with his Gretsch set made sometime in the
70's. Live on the other hand it was always Yamaha but in the studio where
there were no cameras to take pictures it was Gretsch most of the time.
Just something to think about!
KevinŠ
MuffinHead
madh...@c-zone.net (Kevin S.) wrote:
>...look at Stings "10 Sumners Tales"
^^^^^^^
Did you mean to spell it that way or was it a Freudian slip? :) (In
case someone doesn't know, Sting's real name is Gordon Sumner.)
MuffinHead
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Pat McDonald
didn't use Yamahas on Ten Summoner's Tales. He recorded the record on a
Gretsch kit. You can see that for yourself on the video that was
recorded in conjunction with the CD. That is pretty standard procedure
for most of the big name guys out there. Drum Doctors rents studio ready
kits to these guys and most of them are Gretsch.
Chad Smith endorses Pearl, but he recorded Blood Sugar Sex Magik using
Gretsch drums. Lars Ulrich endorses Tama , but he did the last Metallica
record on a Gretsch kit. Jeff Porcaro endorsed Pearl as well, but he
ALWAYS recorded on Gretsch.
Just because someone endorses a particular brand DOESN'T mean that
they ALWAYS record with them. Just a thought....
soulbelly-or-artists formerly known as mustardseed
>
>I know this has been posted before, but it keeps coming up. Vinnie
>didn't use Yamahas on Ten Summoner's Tales. He recorded the record on
a
>Gretsch kit. You can see that for yourself on the video that was
>recorded in conjunction with the CD. That is pretty standard procedure
>for most of the big name guys out there. Drum Doctors rents studio
ready
>kits to these guys and most of them are Gretsch.
well, sort of. drum doctors has only a small handful of gretsch kits.
they tech kits of all kinds for these guys. everything from a 1940's
slingerland to the newest n & c.
NiCk
soulbelly.
Mike Puterbaugh
>I hear Vinnie's 9/8 phrasings. The opening of that tune is SOOOO
>cool, he leaves an amazing amount of space in the groove (kick on 1
>and 6 and a snare someplace) that gradually builds and builds
>into to the stuff we're used to hearing from Vinnie (accurate beyond
>belief 32nd notes in fills, phrasing over the bar, bizarre accent
>patterns, etc.).
While we're on the subject of Vinnie, has anyone listened to his work
on Warren Cuccurullo's new album "Thanks to Frank" yet? Is it worth
buying?
MuffinHead
>I know this has been posted before, but it keeps coming up. Vinnie
>didn't use Yamahas on Ten Summoner's Tales. He recorded the record on a
>Gretsch kit. You can see that for yourself on the video that was
>recorded in conjunction with the CD. That is pretty standard procedure
But wasn't that video made *after* the album was made? Clues: No
isolation booths - everything's in one room. Not ideal for recording Sting
music. And the engineers are in the same room, fer gosh sakes. The sound
on the video is from the album, not from the instruments in the video,
*except* for one tune. I forget which one now, but you can hear that it
sounds different and that the performance is different.
So, this video doesn't *prove* what he used when making the album.
MuffinHead
Drummer, Mac geek Armpit Studios VIII
http://www.winternet.com/~muff/ Plymouth, MN
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Chris 'Coz' Costello
MuffinHead <Mu...@winternet.com> wrote:
> But to be fair, I've only heard two tunes from MF. I'll pick it up if
>there's hope of better music on the rest of the album. What happened to
>Mr. Sting? Did VH1 finally have an affect on him or what? Why why why?
>What's a mother to do?
Two things. First, he went and got old on us. Second, there's no
opposing force to keep him in check. That was the beauty of the
Police. If one of the members started going off the deep end, the
others would reel him back in. Now that Sting is totally in charge,
there's no tension in the songwriting process. No one is challenging
him any more.
BTW, has anyone checked out Vinnie on Warren Cuccurulo's solo album
yet? How is it? I may have answered that question myself soon enough,
but I'd still love to hear from anyone who has it.
Later,
COZ
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TJP
>>What happened to
> >Mr. Sting? Did VH1 finally have an affect on him or what? Why why why?
> >What's a mother to do?
>
> Two things. First, he went and got old on us. Second, there's no
> opposing force to keep him in check. That was the beauty of the
> Police. If one of the members started going off the deep end, the
> others would reel him back in. Now that Sting is totally in charge,
> there's no tension in the songwriting process. No one is challenging
> him any more.
>
******Full Sarcasm mode on force 10, stand back.****
God, you are so right! What absolutely shit music he has written since
the police! No spark or creativity! No depth of soul or high
musicality. Such trivial lyric writing.
And what an asshole he is for growing up! I'll never forgive him!
*** full sarcasm mode off...****
Ah.... I feel better.
René J.
>While we're on the subject of Vinnie, has anyone listened to his work
>on Warren Cuccurullo's new album "Thanks to Frank" yet? Is it worth
>buying?
Yes!
I have bought it recently and its the most heavy rockin Vinnie Ive
ever heard ! The tunes are just great and are mostly first or second
takes. The sound is also excellent ! If you want to read more about it
check Timothy J. Behary´s Vinnie Colaiuta homepage.
René.
René Janssen \/ maintainer of the cyber-drumbattle page
http://www.via.nl/users/rene /\ http://www.via.nl/users/rene/cyberbat.html
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Pat McDonald
<isolation booths - everything's in one room. Not ideal for recording
<Sting
<music. And the engineers are in the same room, fer gosh sakes. The
<sound
<on the video is from the album, not from the instruments in the video,
<*except* for one tune. I forget which one now, but you can hear that it
<sounds different and that the performance is different.
< So, this video doesn't *prove* what he used when making the album.
<MuffinHead
<Drummer, Mac geek
Since when does the absence of an iso booth make it impossible to record
music? It doesn't make a hill of beans worth of difference if you can
afford a GOOD engineer ( which Sting obviously can!). Someone who knows
what they're doing can record you in a rotating cement truck and make it
sound good. I never said that the video was PROOF of anything. We do
know that the CD was recorded in Sting's living room in the castle in
the video. If the video was filmed after the CD was recorded why in the
hell would he tear down his Yamaha kit and replace it with a Gretsch kit
to film the video? Who the hell but a drummer is going to notice anyway?
Nevertheless, I can see your point. But I think you missed mine which
was it really doesn't matter what a star player endorses-90% of the time
they don't record with the same brand you see them playing in the
magazine ads. And most of them use rental kits to record. Most of the
companies that rent kits for this purpose use Gretsch. There's just
something about the way they go to tape. Don't ask me why, they just
record better.
And besides, if Vinnie was so happy with the Yamaha's sound, then why
IS he playing Gretsch now? I've owned both and I know why....
Michael Lehnertz
battle if you ask me. I like Yamaha's sound and I hate "That Great
Gretch Sound". Big deal...
As for recording in an open room, Joe Satriani's "Extremist" album w/
Gregg Bissonnette was recorded in a HUGE room, right? Those drums sound
great. And they are Pearl drums, right? *Gasp*
- Mike Lehnertz
dugly bugly
ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto. I made the same observation while watching
that video. I think the endorsing thing can be misleading at times. I
think Vinnie has done several sessions with those Gretsch drums while
endorsing Yamaha. Of course live he's played Yamaha. Before that I
think he endorsed Sonor? I'm sure with all the exposure and $$$ he's
getting from playing with STING he can afford to play whatever he
wants. I think he's going to be on Letterman this week, let's see what
he shows up with. Maybe he'll fool us and play Anton's Yamahas.
Doug
mar...@spaceworks.com
Ten Summoners. I agree with you, Vinnie might be bored. I had a
feeling this Cd would not live up to the prior one, too bad I was
right. But, Ten Summoners was a hard act to follow.
LAter
MArtog
bobby baranowski
Vinnie
> didn't use Yamahas on Ten Summoner's Tales. He recorded the record on a
> Gretsch kit. You can see that for yourself on the video that was
> recorded in conjunction with the CD. That is pretty standard procedure
> kits to these guys and most of them are Gretsch.
waiting list for , that one of the rental companies moved from session to
session. i thought those might have been the drums in question, except if
the album was recorded in someone's castle somewhere, which means they
were probably vinnie's old familiar kit. Anyone have any info on what
vintage of Gretsch drums DRUM DOCTOR'S rents in LALA-LAND?
MuffinHead
<ae...@osfn.rhilinet.gov> wrote:
>As for recording in an open room, Joe Satriani's "Extremist" album w/
>Gregg Bissonnette was recorded in a HUGE room, right? Those drums sound
>great. And they are Pearl drums, right? *Gasp*
Pearl? I thought he's been playing Slingerland for the past year or
more. Or is this an old album?
MuffinHead
Drummer, Mac geek Armpit Studios VIII
http://www.winternet.com/~muff/ Plymouth, MN
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Jim Benner
> Pearl? I thought he's been playing Slingerland for the past year or
>more. Or is this an old album?
>
Greg used to endorse Pearl. I think he did for a long time. Extremist probably
came out a couple of years ago, because after that Time Machine came out, then the
new one with Manu on most of it. I think that's the right order.
Jim
<standard disclaimer stuff>
soulbelly-or-artists formerly known as mustardseed
Mu...@winternet.com (MuffinHead) writes:
>
>In article <4kbink$2...@bubbla.uri.edu>, Michael Lehnertz
><ae...@osfn.rhilinet.gov> wrote:
>
>>As for recording in an open room, Joe Satriani's "Extremist" album w/
>>Gregg Bissonnette was recorded in a HUGE room, right? Those drums
>>sound great. And they are Pearl drums, right? *Gasp*
>
>more. Or is this an old album?
>
yeah, _extremist_ is a few years old.
NiCk
soulbelly.