Ride Cymbal
KllRckStrz
take rock playing, a lot of crashing accents and such. any suggestions? how are
the K's and K customs at taking this kind of playing? also considering the 24"
zildjian A, is this still made?
George Larson
and I haven't seen many in stores, so you might have to hunt for one. It has
a nice dark tone, very articulate without being what passes for "dry" (read
as: it doesn't go: "clang"). It has a very usable bell and it has a nice
amount of cut. I've been using mine with a fusion trio (guitar/bass/drums)
and it cuts great and fills the sound out in a wonderful breathy, airy
fashion. It opens up great when crashed but gets out of its own way quickly.
Truly a great cymbal.
Later,
George
KllRckStrz <kllrc...@aol.com123> wrote in message
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KllRckStrz
>I would recommend the 21" K Constantinople Big Band Ride. It's fairly new,
>and I haven't seen many in stores, so you might have to hunt for one. It has
>a nice dark tone, very articulate without being what passes for "dry" (read
>as: it doesn't go: "clang"). It has a very usable bell and it has a nice
>amount of cut. I've been using mine with a fusion trio (guitar/bass/drums)
>and it cuts great and fills the sound out in a wonderful breathy, airy
>fashion. It opens up great when crashed but gets out of its own way quickly.
>Truly a great cymbal.
>
>
sounds good but arent the K constaniple series very expensive? i'm a student
and only make $6.25/hr so would prefer something less expensive I think.
this is mostly for rock and instrumental free improv, but Ive always liked
darker sounds for cymbals. thanks
George Larson
little stuck on it at the moment. It isn't that much more than the regular
Ks, though, and cymbals retain their value pretty well so call it an
investment. Going a little cheaper you might want to consider the Sabian AAX
Stage Ride or the Zildjian A Sweet Ride. The Sweet Ride in particular is
amazingly versatile, I have played everything on the one that I got (I sound
like an ad). It's not as dark or soulful as the Big Band Ride, but it is a
little darker than your average A due to its weight. They're also much
easier to find in stores (from my experience anyway).
Good Luck,
George
PS - Remember, the biggest suggestion I can give you is to hit a lot of
cymbals - you'll know the right one when you hear. Also, if price is a
factor, you might want to try used, you can usually find some nice stuff
from people who thought they were going to be the next Buddy Rich and gave
it up after 2 months.
KllRckStrz <kllrc...@aol.com123> wrote in message
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Rob Schuh
> >
> >I would recommend the 21" K Constantinople Big Band Ride. It's fairly new,
> >and I haven't seen many in stores, so you might have to hunt for one. It has
> >a nice dark tone, very articulate without being what passes for "dry" (read
> >as: it doesn't go: "clang"). It has a very usable bell and it has a nice
> >amount of cut. I've been using mine with a fusion trio (guitar/bass/drums)
> >and it cuts great and fills the sound out in a wonderful breathy, airy
> >fashion. It opens up great when crashed but gets out of its own way quickly.
> >Truly a great cymbal.
> >
> >
>
> sounds good but arent the K constaniple series very expensive? i'm a student
> and only make $6.25/hr so would prefer something less expensive I think.
> this is mostly for rock and instrumental free improv, but Ive always liked
> darker sounds for cymbals. thanks
You are right. K Cons are THE most outrageously over priced cymbals on the
market. I have a 22" Light K COn ride that is gorgeous, but I paid only $260.00
for it from a GC sales bin. There is no justification for a $650.00 list price.
They are made here in the US and machine made. It is Zildjian's arrogance that
makes these so much $.
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MuffinHead
kllrc...@aol.com123 (KllRckStrz) wrote:
>hey I'm looking for a jazz sounding type ride (like a zildjian K) but that can
>take rock playing, a lot of crashing accents and such. any suggestions? how are
>the K's and K customs at taking this kind of playing? also considering the 24"
>zildjian A, is this still made?
Try a Zildjian 20" A Custom Ping. After using a 24" Ping Brilliant for,
jeez, more than 20 years, I found the A Custom and it replaced the 24". I
still had the solid stick definition, but added a nice washable ride that
I could smack with the shoulder of the stick and not get a gong thing
going.
MuffinHead
Drummer, Mac geek Armpit Studios IX
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Glaire D. Anderson
Try a Sabian HH 20" Med. Ride. I've used mine for everything from Hard Rock
to R&B to my feeblest attempts at swinging, and it just sings through it
all. Actually sounds like a Const. Big Band, but is a heck of a lot
cheaper!
Clay Anderson
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In article <3831E005...@yahoo.com>, Rob Schuh <rsc...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
joe...@yahoo.com
In article <19991115230739...@ng-tx1.aol.com>,
kllrc...@aol.com123 (KllRckStrz) wrote:
> hey I'm looking for a jazz sounding type ride (like a zildjian K) but
> that can take rock playing, a lot of crashing accents and such. any
> suggestions?
I play a 20 Sabian HH Classic Ride that might be a fit for what you are
looking for. I find it to be a pretty versatile cymbal: decent cut,
full warm wash for fast rock. And great stick definition and ping for
slower ballads and blues numbers.
My 2 cents.
Joel
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Linda Dachtyl
built up too fast. Love the concert crash cymbals and Orchetral suspended
cymbal.
Yeah they cost way too much!
Linda
Anthony Giampa
Say wha? I tested a 24" Con at the local drum shop and nearly dumped my pants
it was so nice!!
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Jason G. LaRiviere
"Glaire D. Anderson" <glair...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I have to (ahem) agree with Rob. The prices for the const. are
rediculous.
> Try a Sabian HH 20" Med. Ride. I've used mine for everything from
Hard Rock
> to R&B to my feeblest attempts at swinging, and it just sings through
it
> all. Actually sounds like a Const. Big Band, but is a heck of a lot
> cheaper!
>
> Clay Anderson
Yeah, I hear you. First off, I can't believe the price you guys are
paying for K Cons. Not that I get special deals or anything, but I'm
certain I've seen K Con rides going for only $200-$275 bones(CDN),
depending on size and dealer.
I too have a Sabian 20" medium ride, but it's an early 80's model,
before they came out with AA, AAX, HH, and on and on.....It's just
called a Sabian 20" medium ride. It's really nice, and very versatile.
It does have a tendency to wash easily though, if you don't play it
right. Haven't really noticed if it sounded like a K Con, though. I
don't think it does....
================
/Jason.
"Masa Katsu Agatsu"
-Morihei Ueshiba
Rob Schuh
Jas,
If you can find a 22 K COn for anything NEAR that price, grab them all!!
They list for $650.00. You can see that anywhere. I love mine, but I only
paid $260.00 from a GC sales bin. It is worth about that if not a tad more.
The $650.00 is just Zil's greed and arrogance talking. It is a MASS
produced American made cymbal that is machine hammered. How can they
justify a list of $650.00? Maybe in the Bizarro world? :-)
Dave Cruikshank
A local shop who is getting rid of their drum stuff is selling a 20" Avedis
Zildjian Ping Ride for $125, is this a don't pass it up even if you really don't
have the money price ?
Thanks, Dave
joj...@webtv.net
That's what I settled on a few years ago when I was looking for the same
thing you want now. Mine has a nice clear ding like good ride cymbals
had 30 to 40 years ago. No overtone. And yes it will produce a good
crash when you want it.
Hope this helps.
Mark S.
Ed Pierce
playing all new Contantinople cymbals. They sounded beautiful. He says he
uses them on everything--rock, blues, jazz, Latin. I am now seriously
hungering for some Constantinople hi-hats (my hats are old 14" quick beats,
which sound okay for rock, but which sound horrible for jazz), but $300+
doesn't sound too within reach just now. Maybe soon...
BTW, Graham is a deep drummer! I am ashamed that I've only seen him once in
the three years I've lived in Portland. I talked to him a bit and he was very
friendly and down to earth.
Ed Pierce
jmt
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Rich B
>>I haven't heard a Constaninople ride that I like yet.
>
>Say wha? I tested a 24" Con at the local drum shop and nearly dumped my pants
>it was so nice!!
I hate the sound of K Custom Darks...The K Cons took that too the
extreme. I hate them.
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> > >
> > >I would recommend the 21" K Constantinople Big Band Ride.
Robert Schuh wrote:
> You are right. K Cons are THE most outrageously over priced
> cymbals on the
> market.
If anyone's interested in a nationwide price check, I just sampled a
21" K Con Big Band today for $360 in Portage, Michigan.
Rick
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