Beni Black Russian snare recording
vaughn
http://www.shagwall.com/Beni-BlackRussianSnare_clannin.mp3
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Vaughn
www.ghostnote.net
www.drumpix.com
Robert Schuh
Vaughn,
I really am at a loss as to why ANYONE would buy one of these snares. At
the best, they are a blatant copy of a Dunnett stainless and they are
more $. I also would not do business with a guy whose character is so
suspect and who also is a plagiarist. I think this is just an excuse for
guys like you who have a problem with Dunnett. I guarantee no real
players are using this guy's drums. BTW, what is you real name anyway?
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche
"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
vaughn
steel. the metal is a bit softer than steel and is imported from russia,
that's why it's called black russian. how is it a blatant ripoff? he even
uses that "piece of crap" trick throw. how can you make a guarantee that no
"real" players are going to use them? I know dan cole, he's made some
ignorant mistakes but has tried to make them right...his character is in
tact for most people. that will never change for others and that's just
fine, some people thrive on grudges and contention. dunnett assembles some
great snare drums, beni handcrafts some great snare drums. BTW, my real
name is actually vaughn brown. so you can now tell me I'm jealous, a choad,
a cum stain, call beni fat, a plagiarist...it's not going to affect
anything.
"Robert Schuh" <r...@robschuh.com> wrote in message
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robert-jan
>
> > check it out, they really are great sounding drums.
> >
> > http://www.shagwall.com/Beni-BlackRussianSnare_clannin.mp3
> >
> > --
> > Vaughn
> > www.ghostnote.net
> > www.drumpix.com
>
> Vaughn,
> I really am at a loss as to why ANYONE would buy one of these snares. At
> the best, they are a blatant copy of a Dunnett stainless and they are
> more $. I also would not do business with a guy whose character is so
> suspect and who also is a plagiarist. I think this is just an excuse for
> guys like you who have a problem with Dunnett. I guarantee no real
> players are using this guy's drums. BTW, what is you real name anyway?
Schuh,
as far as I know a beni stainless is listed for $450,- (thats a
stainless not a Black russian)standard with black powder caoting and
puresounds
Dunnett stainless is listed $515,- colour coating is $115,-
puresounds is $35,- extra,
if you want to get into another beni dunnett things..thats ok but get
the facts straight.
greets Robert-Jan
mfell2112
<vau...@xmissionNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>haha, beni makes his shells and lugs himself and the shells aren't stainless
>steel. the metal is a bit softer than steel and is imported from russia,
>that's why it's called black russian. how is it a blatant ripoff? he even
>uses that "piece of crap" trick throw. how can you make a guarantee that no
>"real" players are going to use them? I know dan cole, he's made some
>ignorant mistakes but has tried to make them right...his character is in
>tact for most people. that will never change for others and that's just
>fine, some people thrive on grudges and contention. dunnett assembles some
>great snare drums, beni handcrafts some great snare drums. BTW, my real
>name is actually vaughn brown. so you can now tell me I'm jealous, a choad,
>a cum stain, call beni fat, a plagiarist...it's not going to affect
>anything.
Being a handcrafted drum would justify the higher cost. Any bozo can
assemble a drum with out sourced parts. Also, Vaughn, rob is an ex
con\felon so I wouldn't take his words serious. Nobody cares about
what he has to say about gear anyway.
Regards
Mike
Dan Radin
drum sounds choked to my ears. Not necessarily a function of the drum, but
more that of whoever tuned it.
vaughn
"Dan Radin" <dan....@veriWORMzon.net> wrote in message
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Robert Schuh
> haha, beni makes his shells and lugs himself and the shells aren't stainless
> steel. the metal is a bit softer than steel and is imported from russia,
> that's why it's called black russian.
Imported from Russia? What a load of crap.
> how is it a blatant ripoff? he even
> uses that "piece of crap" trick throw. how can you make a guarantee that no
> "real" players are going to use them? I know dan cole, he's made some
> ignorant mistakes but has tried to make them right...his character is in
> tact for most people. that will never change for others and that's just
> fine, some people thrive on grudges and contention. dunnett assembles some
> great snare drums, beni handcrafts some great snare drums.
There is your little dig there. You really are a fucking clown. That fat bastard
is no more of a hand craftsman than Dunnett. Why not just admit that you have a
problem with Ronn?? I have not seen any pros playing his drums.
> BTW, my real
> name is actually vaughn brown. so you can now tell me I'm jealous, a choad,
> a cum stain, call beni fat, a plagiarist...it's not going to affect
> anything.
I am not sure what your problem is, but you are supporting a plagiarist, so that
is on you. You and your little chronies have a problem with Dunnett so you buy
the crap this guy makes. Why not ask him about inventing no air vents in snares?
Robert Schuh
Learn English asshole.
Robert Schuh
BTW,
You should keep your Beni dick sucking over in your little forum.
Robert Schuh
> haha, beni makes his shells and lugs himself and the shells aren't stainless
> steel. the metal is a bit softer than steel and is imported from russia,
> that's why it's called black russian. how is it a blatant ripoff? he even
> uses that "piece of crap" trick throw.
You think that is a positive? Have you EVER made your living as a player?????
There is not a single product that Trick makes that is worth a dump on the
floor.
vaughn
and I butt heads, but that doesn't make beni a liar. you haven't seen any
pros playing his drums because he hasn't been doing it very long, just wait.
you say I have a problem with dunnett but it's between me and the man, not
the drums he makes. you have a problem with the man beni, and you also are
knocking his product when you know nothing at all about it.
"Robert Schuh" <r...@robschuh.com> wrote in message
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vaughn
> > >
> > >
>
> BTW,
> You should keep your Beni dick sucking over in your little forum.
>
that's what I was waiting for.
Dunnett
>
> as far as I know a beni stainless is listed for $450,- (thats a
> stainless not a Black russian)standard with black powder caoting and
> puresounds
> Dunnett stainless is listed $515,- colour coating is $115,-
> puresounds is $35,- extra,
> if you want to get into another beni dunnett things..thats ok but get
> the facts straight.
>
> greets Robert-Jan
Boring. So boring. But if RJ wants facts then let's have facts.
- Colour coating is for ANY colour, including sparkles/textures, duco
and transluscent finishes, not just black. Most of the colours are
custom blended. When I use black, I use a proprietary formula /
application that virtually eliminates "orange peel". A finish with
orange peel is as attractive as cellulite and essentially has the same
appearance. Yummy.
- I provide 42 strand wires on 14" models as standard equipment -
because they sound better than Puresound, although that is subjective.
Puresound wires were standard on 13"/12"/10" Dunnett Classics and were
made by Puresound to my specs - again, because I choose the wires that
I think sound the best. I now use a different supplier for the snare
sets that come with those diameters - again, choosing the highest
quality components that sound BEST for the model they are being fitted
to. In any event I always encourage my clients to try the OEM wires I
supply, and most do - and the majority agree that the stock wires I
supply sound exceptional.
-With the exception of an occasional lot of Titanium, all Dunnett
Classic raw metal materials are made in the U.S.A. I have no idea what
would make Russian mild steel so desirable and when I consider the
vast array of exotic materials available in North America, I realize
that I don't really care anyway.
-There are also some design features - including the new R Class throw
off (visit http://www.dwdrums.com/snares/snareopt.htm for some
javascript fun) which is exclusive to Dunnett Classic (and DW).
The end product will always bear a price consideration, however
certain intangibles - reputation, standards, quality, design,
innovation, experience, character, re-sale value - come into play and
of course those have value.
Even at $665.00, a price that represents full MSRP and does not truly
reflect the street price that a dealer may offer, it's still an
exceptional value.
Anyway, give unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Buy what you want, play
what you like as long as you play.
My name is Ronn Dunnett and I approve of this message.
Glenn Dowdy
"Dunnett" <electr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> My name is Ronn Dunnett and I approve of this message.
You weird me out sometimes. Must be all that rain.
Glenn D.
ro...@nospamdunnett.com
"vaughn" <vau...@xmissionNOSPAM.com> wrote:
> haha, beni makes his shells and lugs himself and the shells aren't stainless
> steel. the metal is a bit softer than steel and is imported from russia,
> that's why it's called black russian. how is it a blatant ripoff? he even
> uses that "piece of crap" trick throw. how can you make a guarantee that no
> "real" players are going to use them? I know dan cole, he's made some
> ignorant mistakes but has tried to make them right...his character is in
> tact for most people. that will never change for others and that's just
> fine, some people thrive on grudges and contention. dunnett assembles some
> great snare drums, beni handcrafts some great snare drums. BTW, my real
> name is actually vaughn brown. so you can now tell me I'm jealous, a choad,
> a cum stain, call beni fat, a plagiarist...it's not going to affect
> anything.
Must be tea time at Ghost town.
ro...@nospamdunnett.com
"vaughn" <vau...@NOSPAMxmission.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > BTW,
> > You should keep your Beni dick sucking over in your little forum.
> >
>
> that's what I was waiting for.
Ask and ye shall receive.
ro...@nospamdunnett.com
"vaughn" <vau...@NOSPAMxmission.com> wrote:
> hahaha, what the hell do you know about what beni does? it's true dunnett
> and I butt heads, but that doesn't make beni a liar. you haven't seen any
> pros playing his drums because he hasn't been doing it very long, just wait.
> you say I have a problem with dunnett but it's between me and the man, not
> the drums he makes. you have a problem with the man beni, and you also are
> knocking his product when you know nothing at all about it.
Vaughn, you flatter yourself. It took me 15 minutes to figure out who
you were. I have as much history with you as my last bowel movement and
you garner much less interest.
BKO
BKO
"Dunnett" <electr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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robert-jan
> > as far as I know a beni stainless is listed for $450,- (thats a
> > stainless not a Black russian)standard with black powder caoting and
> > puresounds
> > Dunnett stainless is listed $515,- colour coating is $115,-
> > puresounds is $35,- extra,
> > if you want to get into another beni dunnett things..thats ok but get
> > the facts straight.
> >
> > greets Robert-Jan
>
> Learn English asshole.
De wereld is groter dan dat stukje moeras waar jij vandaan komt ....eikel!
nick amoroso
in person; the drum in the recording sounds really choked.
peace,
:nick amoroso:
professional drums and instruction
http://www.nickamoroso.com
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"it takes an entire newsgroup to wash dennis' ass??" ~ dan radin
robert-jan
He'll be in chigaco I m sure you can check some there.
robert-jan
Ronn ,
Nowhere do I say the price of your snares are too high for the product
you are offering.
I ve seen the snares and its cool..
I m simply just correcting the statement from Mr. Schuh(beni charges
more then dunnett).
agreed give unto ceasar what is ceasar's...lets keep it at that
vaughn
<ro...@NOSPAMdunnett.com> wrote in message
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Skyrm
> off (visit http://www.dwdrums.com/snares/snareopt.htm for some
> javascript fun) which is exclusive to Dunnett Classic (and DW).
Very cool Ronn, but I was hoping you could actually move the lever up
and down with the mouse. :)
>
>
> My name is Ronn Dunnett and I approve of this message.
L.O.L.
Steve Skyrm
mfell2112
How old are you ron ten?
Regards
Mike
Robert Schuh
> haha, beni makes his shells and lugs himself and the shells aren't stainless
> steel. the metal is a bit softer than steel and is imported from russia,
> that's why it's called black russian.
Imported from Russia? What a fucking pant load.
> how is it a blatant ripoff?
Did you see his fucking web site? He also claimed he came up with the idea of no
vents in snare drums and along with stealing text from Dunnett, he stole it from
Spaun and Brady too. Do you REALLY want to go by facts????
> he even
> uses that "piece of crap" trick throw.
You have that right Skippy.
> how can you make a guarantee that no
> "real" players are going to use them?
They are not now. READ asshole. I realize that is tough coming from your public
school background.
> I know dan cole, he's made some
> ignorant mistakes but has tried to make them right...his character is in
> tact for most people. that will never change for others and that's just
> fine, some people thrive on grudges and contention. dunnett assembles some
> great snare drums, beni handcrafts some great snare drums.
Once again, you are LYING.
> BTW, my real
> name is actually vaughn brown. so you can now tell me I'm jealous, a choad,
> a cum stain, call beni fat, a plagiarist...it's not going to affect
> anything.
>
I am calling you to the fucking mat because your site is for cunts. I want to
know where the fuck you get off calling Porky a craftsman and Dunnett an
assembler? Do you REALLY believe Beni Boy makes his wood shells? He does not. He
buys his staves from the same guy I do and he does not make his steam bents
either. Ronn makes his metal shells and has done that and his lugs for FAR
longer than your Quarter Pounder with Cheese buddy. Just admit you have an
agenda with dunnett and don't make shit up about him. Do me a favor and let me
know how to un the fuck subscribe to your site. I have never seen a bigger bunch
of Beni ass kissing non playing anonymous cunts in my life. Web based forums are
for cunts. You REALLY ought to get with Harry Cangany and have some phone sex.
E-Dog
let me know it shall be. ..
"Robert Schuh" <r...@robschuh.com> wrote in message
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Robert Schuh
> I know where beni gets his stave shells, I also know where he gets his steam
> bent shells. he does make his metal shells and his lugs though. you can
> disagree all you want, I know your conjecture is fact in your own mind.
I never disagreed about his metal snares, but YOU called him a fabricator and
Dunnett an assembler. Qualify that statement.
> I
> also know where ronn gets his steam bent shells and they don't come from his
> own shop.
I know that too, but Ronn never claimed to make his.
> there's nothing at all wrong with it either, I never said there
> was. I am not the one who started the dunnett/beni comparisons, I'm just
> responding. I talk to a lot of builders and suppliers and I'm not as stupid
> as you think I am. as far as the forum goes, all you have to do to
> unsubscribe from our forum is stay out...you'll be forgotten as quickly.
That REALLY breaks my heart. That is EXACTLY why clowns like you have NO clue.
What this is supposed to be about is MUSIC, but you and so many other people
want to make it about who knows who in the building "industry." Who the fuck
cares? I do what I do because I enjoy it and I think 90% of the manufacturers
either put out shit or charge too much, but I am a player before anything. That
is where it really is at. Music comes first. I want to know why you keep dancing
around your comment that Beni Man is any more of a fabricator than Dunnett or
why you call Dunnett an assembler? That is my main problem here. Dunnett has
been doing it longer. Beni man copied the look of Ronn's site, his text, Spaun's
text, Brady's text etc. The thing that is so funny about so many non musicians
like the guys are your site who don't like Ronn because he is not a brown noser,
but it matters not. Who cares if guys like you play his drums? Ronn does not
care nor anyone else. Yet another ludicrous thing about all this was that Beni
Man was charging more than Ronn in the past. The guy copies Ronn's building
ideas, his web site design etc., etc. and then charges more!!! :-) THE most
hilarious thing about all of this was I was one of the first guys to talk Beni
Man into apologizing for his plagiarism etc. His response to me was that he
would GRACIOUSLY sell me a Black Russian snare for less than I pay for a Ti from
Ronn. Now that is rich. Your last comment really is quite funny. It is NEVER
important to me what drummers think about me. I care about the calls I get from
sax players, bass players, piano players etc. Seeing that I will suffer deep
emotional scars from being forgotten by your non player clientele, do you have
any suggestions on how to end it all? ;-) BTW, I am posting this to RMMP and I
think you should post your response there too. What goes on between us via e
mail is insignificant.
Take care
Rob
robert-jan
who is dancing around comments here...do you even read what I have
written about the pricing?
For the record,I ve graduated from the Jazz department of the
Conservatorium of Amsterdam,played and toured basicly true every
country in Europe as well in Asia, Rusia middle East and the US...Been
working as a full time musician and tacher for a couple of years
now..No I dont know it all but I know some shit about music and drums.
Dont give me this music comes first bullshit cause you were the first
to reply here ...
THE most
> hilarious thing about all of this was I was one of the first guys to talk Beni
> Man into apologizing for his plagiarism etc.
eeehm he did that didnt he? why did you bring up this dead horse then?
His response to me was that he
> would GRACIOUSLY sell me a Black Russian snare for less than I pay for a Ti from
> Ronn.
Thats correct cause a BR is less $ then a TI..it would have been
hilarious if he charched you more.
Now that is rich. Your last comment really is quite funny. It is
NEVER
> important to me what drummers think about me. I care about the calls I get from
> sax players, bass players, piano players etc. Seeing that I will suffer deep
> emotional scars from being forgotten by your non player clientele, do you have
> any suggestions on how to end it all? ;-) BTW, I am posting this to RMMP and I
> think you should post your response there too. What goes on between us via e
> mail is insignificant.
it is ,but what goes here and via email should have the same
tendency..otherwise I call it schizo..and you know what I m talking
about.
whatever..
Robert-jan
>
> Take care
>
> Rob