What's up with Modern Drummer......Spug of Mudvayne on cover twice in 2 years?
H Stern
then having this sub-moronic wanker Spug (formerly Spag) on the cover
twice in two years. There are so many other drummers they could be
interviewing, instead we this chump, who I'm not saying is bad
drummer, just that he and his whole band appeal to people with
fifth-grade intellect. Watch next month for Cater Beauford with his
sixth cover in 18 months.
joem
> MD is really sucking hard lately. First, $150 for the CD-Rom archives
> then having this sub-moronic wanker Spug (formerly Spag) on the cover
> twice in two years.
i think you're confusing this jackass with the jackass from slipknot
(who was on the cover last year).
> Watch next month for Cater Beauford with his
> sixth cover in 18 months.
i wonder who gets more covers, carter or dennis chambers? it seems like
he's on it at least once a year.
MD has to sell magazines, so they have to use the appeal that these
people bring by being on the cover. i usually enjoy the content enough
to make it worth the $3 or whatever. but there's usually only about two
or three a year that i really like.
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Mark Smith
cat on the cover, see how well that sells and THAN talk trash about MD.
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joem
> Why don't you try running a magazine featuring the latest underground jazz
> cat on the cover, see how well that sells and
> THAN
i think you mean "THEN"
>talk trash about MD.
Mark Smith
That's all the reason MD needs to put him on the cover. Joe Jazz living in
the slums of New York may be a better player but he ain't going to sell as
many issues by FAR.
- Mark
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BlueM0ZARK
He moved? I thought he lived in Phoenix....
Bigg_Slimm
after seeing some of the player's that make it.
I'm not a huge Green Day fan , but Tre sells and it's the same with
Spug.....which I think is a far goofier name than Spag, but it may attract
the Mudvayne crowd and they may learn to appreciate the jazz side of things
too.
Music spans to far to be foolish enough to only focus on one genre......
My opinion only.
Chris Milillo
off. Both live and on the CDs by Mudvayne. Personally, I don't care who's on
the cover of MD. Why is it such a big deal to so many people?
CM
Steven Elias
Slipknot appeal to those with a fifth grade intellect is a narrowminded
statement. However, even I feel that neither is deserving of a MD cover
story. While they are both good drummers neither one has yet to either
pay there dues or offer any new or revolutionary technique that deems
them worthy of being a cover story of a insturment specific magazine.
But if I may play devils advocate, you do have to sell magazines to make
money, and if they feel that this is a way to sell, more power to them.
Money talks, but bullshit sells!
Steve
mhf
It sells to fifth graders. I think those cats would be better off as a
sideshow at a circus. They are a disgrace to the music community in
general. Freakin weirdos!
Mike
Mark Polis
You're gonna rip through it regardless, eh?
Hey - don't show up in my waiting room on the day MD arrives in the mail at
my office - you might have a little wait!!!! (Just kidding, heh heh).
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> Mark Smith wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
> > Why don't you try running a magazine featuring the latest underground
jazz
> > cat on the cover, see how well that sells and
> > THAN
>
> i think you mean "THEN"
>
Yes, I meant to type then, but my finger slipped and hit A instead of E...I
swear to god.
I think you meant to capitalize "i".
- Mark
Tripp Johsnon
>off. Both live and on the CDs by Mudvayne. Personally, I don't care who's on
>the cover of MD. Why is it such a big deal to so many people?
Because they aren't there. I say that with a touch of venom, but I am guilty
of it myself. It sucks when you realize that no matter how much you practice
and try to improve and become a well rounded musician, people who have green
hair and paint their faces (but who couldn't find middle C on a piano and think
the little x in drum notation means don't play there) get the press. It is the
fault of the record companies, who seem to think that people are incapable of
processing intelligent music (honestly, I'm starting to agree), so they pump
out the surefire, gimmick laden, trendy crap they know will sell. Man, if I
hear one more Linkin Park imitation, another 2 year old girl in cutoffs, or
another whiny prick with an acoustic guitar and no talent beyond his mastery of
Barre chords, I'm going to lose it. Why are we, the people who progressively
contibute to music, which is, may I remind some people, an ART FORM (not a
marketing ploy), relegated to club gigs and, at best, sideman status. It's
like letting some completely unqualified loser perform brain surgery just
because he/she is hot. That just doesn't cut the fucking mustard. OK, so
there is a symbiotic relationship between record comapnies and idiots. Are
there really that many dunderheads out there?
Sorry, had to vent.
Chris Milillo
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> >Say what you will about this Spug, Spud, Spag guy, but he plays his ass
> >off. Both live and on the CDs by Mudvayne. Personally, I don't care who's
on
> >the cover of MD. Why is it such a big deal to so many people?
>
> Because they aren't there.
I agree, but I decided to ask that rhetorical question, anyway.
>I say that with a touch of venom, but I am guilty
> of it myself. It sucks when you realize that no matter how much you
practice
> and try to improve and become a well rounded musician, people who have
green
> hair and paint their faces (but who couldn't find middle C on a piano and
think
> the little x in drum notation means don't play there) get the press.
They'll always get the press in mainstream media. Maybe these "flashes
in the pan/flavors of the week" get the cover during their "15 minutes of
fame", but don't worry... You'll probably never see nor hear from them
again.
>It is the
> fault of the record companies, who seem to think that people are incapable
of
> processing intelligent music (honestly, I'm starting to agree), so they
pump
> out the surefire, gimmick laden, trendy crap they know will sell.
I have to disagree. Distinctions must be drawn between music which is
created for the sake of art, commercial music which is created to appeal
(and sell) to the widest audience possible, and the huge grey area that
exists in-between. The music business is just that; a business.
The record companies *know for a fact* that most people are unwilling or
at least reluctant to process "intelligent" music. These people, themselves,
are to blame. They just don't want to have to worry about finding good
music, so many people (especially young, impressionable kids, and teens) let
radio, tv and their friends (see the vicious cycle?)dictate their musical
tastes. Have you ever noticed which songs people request at gigs, or which
songs they play on the jukebox? Yup, the EXACT songs that have been grossly
overplayed on radio and tv, and/or the ones they have at home in their CD
rack. I don't get it... I get tired of anything (even GREAT music) when it's
played over and over.
Most of us who play instruments have learned to seek out music which
exists outside the mainstream. I always try to do my part by exposing my
students to types of music and drumming they may never have come across.
Even a "punk rocker" can appreciate Dennis Chambers slamming away on a live
Scofield album, or a young Tony Williams burning on a live Miles Davis CD!
>Man, if I hear one more Linkin Park imitation, another 2 year old girl in
cutoffs, or
> another whiny prick with an acoustic guitar and no talent beyond his
mastery of
> Barre chords, I'm going to lose it.
Agreed. Except the Blink 182 clones and all these so-called "punk" bands are
the ones I'd nuke. Britney? The mute button makes her my *favorite* artist.
:-)
>Why are we, the people who progressively
> contibute to music, which is, may I remind some people, an ART FORM (not a
> marketing ploy), relegated to club gigs and, at best, sideman status.
Commercial success in the music business is not based upon a
meritocracy, nor will it ever be. Some of the best songwriters/musicians in
the world will never be widely heard. I suspect (and hope) that the Internet
can help to change this. I'd still like to think that great music will
somehow make its way to those who seek it out.
> It's like letting some completely unqualified loser perform brain surgery
just
> because he/she is hot. That just doesn't cut the fucking mustard.
Funny, I've always heard that playing music isn't brain surgery! :-)
> OK, so there is a symbiotic relationship between record comapnies and
idiots. Are
> there really that many dunderheads out there?
Unfortunately, yes.
> Sorry, had to vent.
No problem. I feel your pain, brother. :-)
CM
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>
> - Mark
>
>
Anonymous
Mark Smith wrote in message ...
I think that when you typed "meant to type then", you actually meant to type
"meant to type 'then'".
Proper use of punctuation is important in language as well, especially when
quoting (even when quoting yourself).
>I think you meant to capitalize "i".
Touché!
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joem
no, i didn't.
nick amoroso
>off. Both live and on the CDs by Mudvayne. Personally, I don't care who's on
>the cover of MD. Why is it such a big deal to so many people?
i have no idea. i read it regardless of who (or what) is on the cover. i
couldn't care less who they put on the cover, ever.
peace,
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Tripp Johsnon
>created for the sake of art, commercial music which is created to appeal
I agree, but I have a very, very hard time calling what is created out of
anything less than artistic motivation music. I love the fact that I am
fortunate enough to make my living playing, don't get me wrong...my beef is
really with the people who also make their living this way, but who haven't put
in the work.
Mark Smith
- Mark
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Kurgan666
Totally agree.
I just saw a video from Queens of the stone age and I could not
believe how shitty they were. Dave Grohl gets major props from the
press, but sucks scabby monkey dick. The press must think he's good
because he hits as hard as possible. What a turd.
What sucks is, you get so sick of the radio, you end up missing the
one band out of a hundred that might be good.
I guess it's better to frequent privately owned record stores for the
latest music that's worthwhile.
Tripp Johsnon
>believe how shitty they were. Dave Grohl gets major props from the
>press, but sucks scabby monkey dick.
Thank you! I couldn't tell you how many people come up to me and say, "You're
a drummer? Isn't Dave Grohl the best?" I'm so sick of hearing that! My stock
answer is no a short and agitated "No."
joem
well, actually i did. if you've ever read my posts, you'll see that i
capitalize nothing out of laziness. occasionally i will capitalize whole
words for emphasis, though.
but believe what you want.
joem
> I just saw a video from Queens of the stone age and I could not
> believe how shitty they were. Dave Grohl gets major props from the
> press, but sucks scabby monkey dick. The press must think he's good
> because he hits as hard as possible. What a turd.
i don't think dave sucks at all. i would never says he's the best
drummer ever. but he's far from shitty or sucking scabby monkey dick.
his drumming works perfectly with the foo fighters and nirvana. and i
don't think anything he plays in those bands makes him suck...
IMHO, of course.
BTW, that queens record is actually pretty damn good, although that single
isn't so hot.
nick amoroso
>isn't so hot.
>
i think it's pretty cool, actually.
joem
> i think it's pretty cool, actually.
i dig it. but there's some other gems on the record.
Mark Smith
>
> BTW, that queens record is actually pretty damn good, although that single
> isn't so hot.
I love the single and the album as a whole.
- Mark
Mark Rance
> believe how shitty they were. Dave Grohl gets major props from the
> press, but sucks scabby monkey dick. The press must think he's good
> because he hits as hard as possible. What a turd.
Hard to disagree there. He sucked with Nirvana and he sucks when he picks
up a guitar. That all said, I have not been on Letterman and he has, more
than once. Proves. once again, what I have long since said...making it in
the music business has, essentially, nothing to do with one's skill on their
axe nor the collective "talent" of the band as a whole.
-Mark
Mark Rance
"Tripp Johsnon" <geosync...@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message
The best, he should be thankful anyone lets him even carry a pair of sticks!
There's no justice!
-Mark
joem
> Hard to disagree there. He sucked with Nirvana and he sucks when he picks
> up a guitar. That all said, I have not been on Letterman and he has, more
> than once. Proves. once again, what I have long since said...making it in
> the music business has, essentially, nothing to do with one's skill on their
> axe nor the collective "talent" of the band as a whole.
true. HOWEVER, i've met MANY people in my years of playing who are
incredibly talented on their instruments, but couldn't write a good song
to save their lives.
Chris Milillo
> >BTW, that queens record is actually pretty damn good, although that
single
> >isn't so hot.
> >
>
> i think it's pretty cool, actually.
Me three. And I completely disagree with anyone who says Grohl sucks.
He's not one of my favorites, but he's a meat and potatoes, no frills HARD
ROCK drummer, and a damn good one at that. I guess if he's not playing 32nd
triplets while playing left foot clave, and a samba bass drum beat in 13/16,
he must suck. </sarcasm>
CM
joem
> I guess if he's not playing 32nd
> triplets while playing left foot clave, and a samba bass drum beat in 13/16,
> he must suck. </sarcasm>
yeah! as if the people talking shit about him can do that anyway!
Kurgan666
If Grohl doesn't suck, then I'm Jimmy Branley. I could have covered
EVERY Grohl song in my second year of playing. The bottom line is,
he's no better than the Bobby Blotzers, Tico Torres and Fred Courys of
the hair band world.
Plus Chris, you have to be a little miffed about how they made his
Starclassics sound so shitty.
Chris Milillo
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I, too, used to judge a drummer by how difficult his parts were to
duplicate. Now, I know better. Now, I judge him by the size and color of his
kit and how many cymbals he has! (extra points if his band's video is cool).
:-)
Fred Coury actually DOES suck... They replaced him in the studio on a
CINDERELLA album (or 2, IIRC).
I'm curious, Chris. What, specifically, do you think makes him *suck*?
"Suck" is a very strong word, which to me implies he cannot cut a pro gig.
I've never listened to a song he's played on and said "Holy shit, this
drummer SUCKS!". That said, I've never been blown away by anything he's
played, either. He does the job, nothing more, nothing less.
> Plus Chris, you have to be a little miffed about how they made his
> Starclassics sound so shitty.
Not as miffed as I am about the System of a Down drum sound! :-) Tama's new
Starclassic Cardboard!
CM
nick amoroso
>CINDERELLA album (or 2, IIRC).
yep. with denny carmassi, i believe.
nick amoroso
>EVERY Grohl song in my second year of playing. The bottom line is,
>he's no better than the Bobby Blotzers, Tico Torres and Fred Courys of
>the hair band world.
i've always liked tico's playing, too.
Robert Schuh
Grohl may not be a chop fiend, but how would you have improved upon what he played with Nirvana? Would
you have wanted to hear Virgil Donati with Nirvana or the Stones? Grohl played the music very well.
That is what it is really about.
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche
"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
joem
> Grohl may not be a chop fiend, but how would you have improved upon what he played with Nirvana? Would
> you have wanted to hear Virgil Donati with Nirvana or the Stones? Grohl played the music very well.
> That is what it is really about.
i'm proud of you, rob. well said.
Bill
of years, a bunch of up & comming nobodys that could not lick the boots of
some of the little known and or elder jazz
drummers..................................
Harry Hulsizer
>Hard to disagree there. He sucked with
>Nirvana and he sucks when he picks up a
>guitar. That all said, I have not been on
>Letterman and he has, more than once.
>Proves. once again, what I have long since
>said...making it in the music business has,
>essentially, nothing to do with one's skill on
>their axe nor the collective "talent" of the band
>as a whole.
Waaaa..... You sound like my dad.
Harry
"With jazz all you have to do is making
cymbal wash." - Tom Giorgio
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I actually judge a musician by how good his butt looks in spandex. =-0
>
> Fred Coury actually DOES suck... They replaced him in the studio on a
> CINDERELLA album (or 2, IIRC).
>
> I'm curious, Chris. What, specifically, do you think makes him *suck*?
> "Suck" is a very strong word, which to me implies he cannot cut a pro gig.
> I've never listened to a song he's played on and said "Holy shit, this
> drummer SUCKS!". That said, I've never been blown away by anything he's
> played, either. He does the job, nothing more, nothing less.
Alright, alright! I'll rescind the "suck" statement. I just tire of
the many, many people stating how good he is, when actually he's very
average.
>
> > Plus Chris, you have to be a little miffed about how they made his
> > Starclassics sound so shitty.
>
> Not as miffed as I am about the System of a Down drum sound! :-) Tama's new
> Starclassic Cardboard!
>
> CM
Grohl's drums sound just like System of a Down's! No shit.
joem
maybe through a television speaker when you're watching the video.
Harry Hulsizer
>HARRY!!! Where the hell you been?
Hey there, Mark. Happy Holidays. Haven't really been checking in here
too much lately but I see it's the same as always. ;0)
Well, I guess I'm off the wagon now, so you'll be hearin' from me. Let's
get together for a hang soon.
Tripp Johsnon
>duplicate.
I know this is partially a joke, but it has nothing to do with difficulty.
Interesting, innovative, good-feeling drum parts are not bound to difficulty.
joem
> I know this is partially a joke, but it has nothing to do with difficulty.
> Interesting, innovative, good-feeling drum parts are not bound to difficulty.
exactly. however, it should also be known that though his parts are
simple, that doesn't mean you can duplicate them easily with the same
feeling.
Benrand
wrote:
>>If Grohl doesn't suck, then I'm Jimmy Branley. I could have covered
>>EVERY Grohl song in my second year of playing. The bottom line is,
>>he's no better than the Bobby Blotzers, Tico Torres and Fred Courys of
>>the hair band world.
>
>i've always liked tico's playing, too.
I thought Bobby Blotzer was a great drummer, he fit that band
perfectly and played some really killer grooves.
I dug his playing a lot. He was pretty creative in the genre, lots of
syncpation and cool flourishes with good power.
>
>peace,
>:nick amoroso:
>professional drums and instruction
>proud endorser of silver fox drumsticks
>http://artists2.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/christopher_mills/
>
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