Pics of 7x14 Flynn/Brady Cherry Gimlet
Drumbelly
made of a Jarrah wood plied shell. It has what I has what I was told to be
a one off Cherry Gimlet finish. Very cool looking and sounding drum. I may
sell it for the right offer if anyone is interested. Here's the pics:
http://shorl.com/beratagobryva
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Kelly Brady
> I just put up pics of my 7x14 Flynn era Brady snare on the RMMP site. It is
> made of a Jarrah wood plied shell. It has what I has what I was told to be
> a one off Cherry Gimlet finish. Very cool looking and sounding drum. I may
> sell it for the right offer if anyone is interested. Here's the pics:
> http://shorl.com/beratagobryva
Hi Scott,
Why isn't there a badge on this drum?
Curious.
Thanks,
Kelly :)
Mark Polis
Most people in here won't understand the sarcastic smiley in your post nor
your comment regarding the lack of a Brady badge on the snare drum Scott is
selling. And when you say, "Curious", then THEY become curious.
Perhaps you should elaborate on this public drum forum if you feel that
there is anything awry here.
As you've witnessed over the past year or two, these Jarrah ply snare drums
are all over the place. I had a few that were supposedly made by Bill Flynn
under the company name "Ozbeat Drums" (I sold 'em both); JR Richley has a
bunch; Scott Hoffman apparently does here, etc. - and I'm certain there are
countless others, as you very well know. Have you also contacted "explodie"
on eBay who has a silver gimlet "Flynn/Brady" up for auction which might
also fit that description?
The fact that there was some legal wrangling in Australia after the
Flynn/Brady split won't cause people here in America (who are largely
unaware of those semi-private legal details) to dissociate the names of Bill
Flynn and Chris Brady. It just won't. That issue is strictly between Brady
and Flynn, no?
I'm also aware that you've privately contacted most of us that had/have them
regarding these snare drums.
Like most others, prior to your phone call and e-mails a year or so ago I
was unaware of all of those legal issues. I was also unaware that they
aren't/weren't supposed to be made/sold.
The thing is, if people have purchased one or more of these drums at
considerable cost (whether or not they have Brady badges, or whether or not
they should/shouldn't be in circulation) and then decide to sell them, they
will naturally mention the names of both Flynn and Brady because those two
once WERE intimately associated as makers of fine drums, and the product
seems to be quite similar (i.e., not just a "knock-off"). And when they
bought them, the two names may have been used in the description as well.
Does any of this make sense to you?
I think folks would welcome some clarification from you, as these snare
drums ARE around, and they're popping up on eBay, and elsewhere, from time
to time.
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"Kelly Brady" <kellyb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Kelly Brady
Yup, your comments totally make sense to me. I was asking Scott
specifically in case there was indeed a badge and there just hadn't
been a camera angle that captured it in those photos I saw.
I can fully appreciate that many innocent customers have been
unnecessarily caught up in this dribble. It saddens me greatly to
learn that drummers such as yourself have purchased these illegal
drums for up to twice as much as retail price in good faith. (And as
you personally are aware, found that the sound of these supposedly
superior version of Brady Drums do not match, let alone surpass those
of geniune Brady snare drums).
Without making this the saga to end all sagas I'll place the short
version for those unfamiliar:
1) Any snare drum bearing the old Brady badge, of which the badge has
no outline and the text "Brady" is running diagonal is NOT an
authentic Brady snare drum (see identification link below). As such
Brady Drum Company can not guarantee the quality of craftsmanship, nor
will these items be covered under warranty.
2) Any snare drum being passed off as a Brady snare drum that does not
contain any badge or markings whatsoever on the outside of the shell
are not only counterfeit Brady snare drums (and all applicable
information above about incorrect gold badge applies here too) but is
more than likely illegal.
BRADY BADGE IDENTIFICATION:
Fake: http://www.rmmpnet.org/members/bradydrums/Brady%20badge%20-%20old%20gold%20fake.jpg
Authentic: http://www.rmmpnet.org/members/bradydrums/Brady%20badge%20-%20old%20gold%20authentic.jpg
Current model: http://www.rmmpnet.org/members/bradydrums/Brady%20badge%20current.jpg
The person (Bill Flynn) who is responsible for the creation of these
fake Brady snare drums was prosecuted in the Supreme Court of Western
Australia in October 1998. I will post a brief paragraph taken
directly from the Supreme Court rulings in the next day or two (I wish
this to be listed word for word but I don't currently have the
documents with me on holiday!) so that any drummers may gain a more
accurate understanding of the course of events, and the legal
ramifications.
It is my wish that no more drummers suffer the disappointment and
financial hardship that these items (and the people helping to
circulate them at a tidy profit) generate, and the market is rid of
these counterfeit products once and for all. Naturally, I will
continue to ask questions of any and all owners / purchasers of these
products to determine key issues such as year of manufacture and place
of purchase.
Thank you for your understanding.
Kelly Brady
Artist Relations
Brady Drum Company
kellyb...@hotmail.com (private)
ke...@bradydrums.com
Cell: +61-419-033-021
Brady Drums
http://www.bradydrums.com
The sound dreams are made of
Trevor Magnusson
"disappointment and financial hardship" suffered by owners of some of
these drums, and how they fail to "match, let alone surpass" the
officially sanctioned items.
Maybe even a blind listening test...
5A's at 30 paces!
Not that I don't trust ya, KB (ever get called "Cold Gold" at school?
<-- obscure Australian cultural reference) but it's sorta what you'd
have to say.
Mark Polis
I purchased TWO of the Ozbeat snare drums on the word of someone I respect
who had recommended them to me - as it happens, I had purchased other high
end drums from him or through him, and I had/have implicit trust in his
opinion and judgement with these things from our prior dealings &
experience. He's an accomplished drummer himself with an avid addiction to
fine, high end snare drums.
These snare drums were purportedly made by Bill Flynn after the Brady/Flynn
split and under the company name "Ozbeat Drums"; they were shipped to me
straight from Australia. It was explained to me that these were supposed to
be superior in craftsmanship to anything Brady was offering for *mass
consumption*, etc.; furthermore, it was more or less suggested to me that in
actuality Flynn was the more experienced/accomplished craftsman of the
former duo. I was also told that these Flynn drums were available in
limited quantity only, and as a result I ended up paying about 50% MORE than
one would ordinarily pay for new Brady snare drums (and no, I never bought
the Brooklyn Bridge).
One of the Flynns (or Ozbeats) was a 6½x12 "popcorn" snare as I recall, the
other a 5½x14 standard. They were Jarrah Ply snare drums with the exact
same (ringed) tube lugs and hoops and snare wires as earlier era Brady snare
drums, finished in a very appealing black gimlet gloss external veneer.
Now prior to that I had already owned both 6½x14 and 5½x14 contemporary
*Brady* (post-split) snare drums, with the
"minuteman" logos -
http://www.rmmpnet.org/members/bradydrums/Brady%20badge%20current.jpg.
The 5½ Brady Jarrah ply was done in a turtleback gloss, and the 6½ Brady in
a wandoo burl gloss. Both magnificent. I had reviewed (and raved about)
these two fine Brady snare drums in Paul Marshall's DrumDojo website at some
point, way back when.
Anyway, these "Flynn" snare drums arrived with generic Asian strainers,
which were in turn mounted to the shells atop small, unfinished, rectangular
blocks of Jarrah wood. This looked very homemade, and I was aesthetically
turned off immediately. My Brady's had Nickel DrumWorks strainers.
The exteriors and the shells looked quite nice, and appeared to be "the real
McCoys",.
But the sound was simply not of the same quality as that of my "real"
Brady's.
They lacked that special something in their response, snap, gutsy body and
aesthetic appeal as compared to my Brady's.
I tried everything I knew of to bring out their best - different heads &
tensionings, various snare wire options, you name it - I just could not get
these Ozbeats to live up to my Brady's, good as they were in and of
themselves.
So, I put them up on eBay.
In my auctions I had initially alluded to Bill Flynn having been a previous
associate of Chris Brady's so that people would have some idea of of what
they were all about. At that time I was unaware of the legal entanglements
which had transpired in the down under - then Kelly Brady contacted me and
filled me in on the history of the split-up - at which time I revised my
item descriptions and removed the Brady name from the auction descriptions
at her request.
They finally sold, but at considerable financial loss to me. The buyers
actually ended up getting a great value for their coin - at my expense.
Now don't get me wrong - the Ozbeats were very well crafted, great sounding
drums, but, in my opinion, they were just not of the same caliber as were my
Brady's. We're up in a caliber or league here where it's the subtle
differences that begin to matter, and that difference became evident to me
after I'd had at them in an A/B side-by-side comparison.
So there you have it.
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"Trevor Magnusson" <trevor...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Drumbelly
have a slightly thinner shell than most of the other Ozbeats. It is one of
the finest snares I've heard. The other is a 7x14 in Cherry Gimlet, which
although a very very nice drum, I'd give the slight edge to the Wandoo drum.
I can't justify having both of them, so one is for sale. Neither drum has
the "blocks of wood" under the throw that Mark mentions though (?!). It
seems to me that all of these drums are individual instruments with their
own characteristics. I have tried the current crop of Brady's and just
thought that the quality in workmanship was a bit lacking. I saw rough
bearing edges and beds, lugs that didn't line up right, and the "newer"
Wandoo Burl veneer looked cartoonish compared to my Ozbeat. Although the
sound was certainly adequate, I couldn't see paying that much for any of
them, since the ones I've seen were equal pricing to the Flynn drums (Long
Island Drum). I guess it all comes down to how good each individual drum
sounds and looks to you and if you like it buy it, if not sell, sell, sell,
:=) The drum I have for sale http://tinyurl.com/5az6p , is a very nice drum
with a Steve Jordan kind of vibe to it, I just don't need 2 of 'em.
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Trevor Magnusson
subjective field. Balanced too, which may not be to everyone's
liking...
Drumbelly
I apologize for using the name Brady concerning the listing of this drum. It
is not a Brady drum.
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Trevor Magnusson
... unless Scott's story changes after he unloads it ;)
Drumbelly
selling it for the money, it's an excellent drum.
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Trevor Magnusson
> selling it for the money, it's an excellent drum.
Meaning, who'd talk down a drum they were trying to sell?
Note the mischievous ;)
Drumbelly
acquired in a trade, so it was just a matter of redundancy. I just kept the
one I liked the best. I'd thought I'd share the wealth, and I think the
price is right. I stand by what I said-I feel they are excellent drums.
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Drumbelly
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Mark Polis
AWESOME!!! What guts, response, and tone! It's gonna be my main machine,
no doubt.
Thanks a million.
"You play because you must." - drummer Tony Williams
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