Bill Stewart
Jay Epstein
the new stunningly powerful Bill Carrothers CD. Stewart playing on one
of my sets, me on percussion/sound effects. He, as always, is patently
astounding. We're playing a tune in 3/4 - he takes a chorus, then
while the next soloist starts his chorus, Bill shifts a metric
modulation to his main emphasis being the quarter note triplet, so
that he's still playing in 3, only 1.5 times faster than everyone
else's 3! Every 2 bars of the original 3/4 = 3 bars of his quarter
note triplet waltz being layered. Course, everyone else stays at the
original pulse and it all comes out perfect at the end of the 32 bar
song form.
Jesus Christ. It's one thing to mathematically even conceptualize it,
but sheer genius to pull it off musically in an improv moment. When
the CD comes out, I'll post a link to it.
Bill, if you're lurking, I'll play the Amazon Basin Frog Mating Calls
on your next CD, gratis. ;-)
Jay
"It's always night, that's why we have light." - Thelonious Monk
http://www.bridgeboymusic.com/longago/main.htm
Chris Whealy
work musically! Any chance of an MP3 of that section of the track you
mentioned? As a sample, of course... :-)
Or would there be to many legal hoops to jump through?
Chris
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but the words of the wise are quiet and few.
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JR Richley
your life. Bill is an amazing and inspirational player, and you had the best
seat in the house. what a chance to sit there, check out Bill Steawart , and
make a musical contribution on percussion as well. getting paid to be on a
great record, cop all kinds of things from Bill, AND get paid? i ask
you...does it get any better than that?
kudos to you Jay...you do us all proud here at RMMP
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R. Lynn Rardin
<ja...@earth.man> wrote:
> I've just spent the last 3 days in the studio recording with Bill for
> the new stunningly powerful Bill Carrothers CD. Stewart playing on one
> of my sets, me on percussion/sound effects. He, as always, is patently
> astounding. We're playing a tune in 3/4 - he takes a chorus, then
> while the next soloist starts his chorus, Bill shifts a metric
> modulation to his main emphasis being the quarter note triplet, so
> that he's still playing in 3, only 1.5 times faster than everyone
> else's 3! Every 2 bars of the original 3/4 = 3 bars of his quarter
> note triplet waltz being layered. Course, everyone else stays at the
> original pulse and it all comes out perfect at the end of the 32 bar
> song form. Jesus Christ. It's one thing to mathematically even
> conceptualize it, but sheer genius to pull it off musically in an
> improv moment.
I know what you're saying, Jay. My reaction to hearing/seeing Bill
play live is very similar (for some reason the visual aspect and
being there makes it even more impressive than hearing it on a
recording). If many drummers tried to pull off some of the stuff
he plays, it would sound calculated and contrived. When Bill plays
it, it's not only mind-bendingly cool, but also a perfect fit
musically.
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Steve Schaufler
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Awesome Jay! You're a lucky guy.
Here is a link to a quicktime movie of Bill.
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/billstewartdci.html
Steve
naknir
learned it once and it's hard, mainly because of the thinking part....
It's a bit difficult to understand, and especially to accomplish while
playing with other, when they play to the original beat....
Jay, didn't you promise me something ? Something like asking Bill how
he tunes his drums and what heads is he using......? :-)
Nir Brener.
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Nir Brener, an 18 years old drummer from Israel.
JVN
a conversation yesterday with some Berklee teachers about Bill. I had seen him
perform at MD fest a few years ago, and met him briefly before his performance.
He seemed very interested in checking out all of the other player's kits
backstage...really giving all the gear a good look over. Then his performance.
WOW! The only time I can remember having goosebumps like that in recent years
was seeing Elvin with an organ trio. Bill Stewart, swinging his A** off
match-grip. I'm backstage watching from behind the curtain, looking at Bill's
mis-matched drums, cymbals with chunks out of them, and hardware that is ready
to collapse on itself...all the while he's chasing his hi-hat stand with his
left foot. So I congratulate him on a very moving performance (no pun
intended). Knowing of his affinity for Gretsch drums, I don't talk drums with
him at all, but I figure maybe he'd be a good guy to have as a hardware artist,
and from the looks of his gear, maybe he'd appreciate being on board. He looks
at me, and says "Thanks, man...you guys make beautiful stuff but you know, I'm
used to using what I've got". And BAM!...in that instant I truly become a fan
of the man. How refreshing.
JC Martin
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I've long been a huge supporter of Bill. It seems most drummers I talk to
are astounded by his conception of what a drum kit is capable of.
Thanks for sharing that with us Jay. I look forward to a new Carrothers
record. The last one I bought was the duo record (w/Stewey) they released
in France.
Cheers,
JC
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He sounds great on the Martial Solal Trio CD called "NY-1", just out.
John Riley did that gig just recently at the Iridium Jazz Club in Manhattan.
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> Wow. FaaaaaaanTAStic!
>
> He sounds great on the Martial Solal Trio CD called "NY-1", just >out.
Ohhhhh...thanks for the tip *adding to my ever-growing list*
-JC
Robert Schuh
I love Bill's playing too, but man, why doesn't he get a hi hat that won't run? :-)
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intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
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"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
Mark Garvin
>I've just spent the last 3 days in the studio recording with Bill for
>the new stunningly powerful Bill Carrothers CD. Stewart playing on one
>of my sets, me on percussion/sound effects.
I love Bill Stewart's solo CDs, but I believe the first two are out of
print (Snide Remarks and Telepathy). That's a shame, cause they're
both great. I first heard Bill Carruthers on Bill Stewart's Telepathy
CD. Interesting player. Sounds like he comes from classical polytonal
school. I'll look for his solo CD.
mg
Bill Le May
> I've just spent the last 3 days in the studio recording with Bill for
> the new stunningly powerful Bill Carrothers CD.
Jay, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy, or a more worthy one. Bill is my
hero, and it's nice to see two fellow midwesterners collaborate. Can't wait
to hear it.
Bill Le May
joem
> I've just spent the last 3 days in the studio recording with Bill for
> the new stunningly powerful Bill Carrothers CD. Stewart playing on one
> of my sets, me on percussion/sound effects. He, as always, is patently
> astounding. We're playing a tune in 3/4 - he takes a chorus, then
> while the next soloist starts his chorus, Bill shifts a metric
> modulation to his main emphasis being the quarter note triplet, so
> that he's still playing in 3, only 1.5 times faster than everyone
> else's 3! Every 2 bars of the original 3/4 = 3 bars of his quarter
> note triplet waltz being layered. Course, everyone else stays at the
> original pulse and it all comes out perfect at the end of the 32 bar
> song form.
> Jesus Christ. It's one thing to mathematically even conceptualize it,
> but sheer genius to pull it off musically in an improv moment. When
> the CD comes out, I'll post a link to it.
jay,
i'm very jealous... you just spent 3 days with the most musical drummer
i've ever had the pleasure of hearing (and hence, one of my biggest
inspirations). i saw him a couple months back at the columbus "drum
days" shindig. after being literally *floored* by how incredible he was
live (i had goosebumps for his entire set), all i wanted to do was shake
the man's hand and thank him for the never-ending inspiration. but
unfortunately, they immediately packed up his kit because he had a plane
to catch. THAT made me feel better - at least i was missing him for a
good reason; he was jetting off to display his genius to some other
lucky people.
Joe.
Robert Schuh
Joe,
I love Bill's playing too, but in music, the term, THE anything is a bit
tough unless you are talking about Jaco! :-) There are a few other musical
lightweights out there like Jack DeJohnette and Max Roach who may get a few
votes too! :-)
Pete Pemberton
with different limbs. AMAZING! I think 3/4 of the folks there had no clue.
It was mezmerising!
PP
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> When my son and I saw hiom at CPP's Drum Daze, he was doing alot of this
> with different limbs. AMAZING! I think 3/4 of the folks there had no clue.
> It was mezmerising!
Of course I'm in total agreement with all of this. I also think
that 3/4 of the folks had no clue and that's why he slyly poked
some fun at them by doing that "stiff-armed rock player" bit!
It's cool when you are so good that you can even sound great when
making fun of the clueless!
Benj
(Who notes that those of us at the last drumdaze actually got
to A-B Jack and Bill one after the other to help settle Rob's "vote"
...personally I couldn't pick one. They BOTH were amazing.)
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to know that
> Of course I'm in total agreement with all of this. I also think
> that 3/4 of the folks had no clue and that's why he slyly poked
> some fun at them by doing that "stiff-armed rock player" bit!
> It's cool when you are so good that you can even sound great when
> making fun of the clueless!
I LOVE that he did that! it was hilarious and just what I needed
after watching many rock players all day. :-) Of course, he DID still
sound musical doing that.
> (Who notes that those of us at the last drumdaze actually got
> to A-B Jack and Bill one after the other to help settle Rob's "vote"
> ...personally I couldn't pick one. They BOTH were amazing.)
Yes, they were both amazing. But I think that I would probably choose
Bill, personally. They were both incredibly musical, but Bill's
approach and style just keeps my interest a little more. I felt like I
was right there with him as he developed each piece. Not so with Jack -
but that might be just because I'm very used to listening to Bill and
not as familiar with Jack.
Either way, they're both incredibly inspiring.
Joe.
Jay Epstein
Bill likes Remo Ambassadors. He tuned my set of Gretsch:
18 BD: batter side tighter than resonant.
14 Floor Tom: batter tighter than resonant.
12 Small Tom: resonant head tighter than batter.
He brought his own Ludwig hammered bronze snare - medium tension.
In general his tuning for the recording session SEEMED a little higher
than what I've heard from him live.
Jay
Jay Epstein
>Here is a link to a quicktime movie of Bill.
>http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/billstewartdci.html
Yes, Steve. This is the Larry Goldings Trio that's been together for
maybe 15 years now. The tune is Sonny Rollins' "Why Don't I" - The
original recording from about '57 w/ Blakey. Dig the form - 8-8-4-8,
because they adhere to it perfectly on the trades, although I don't
think Bill does on his solo, but just states the 1st A to que the head
out.
Jay
"One never knows, do one?" - Fats Waller
Jay Epstein
>Jay, I love the concept of metric modulations - especially when they
>work musically! Any chance of an MP3 of that section of the track you
>mentioned? As a sample, of course... :-)
>Or would there be to many legal hoops to jump through?
Chris,
I can't do that. It's not my tune, nor my disc, but I'll post a link
eventually. It'll be on Sketch sometime next year:
www.sketch-studio.com/sketch-jazz
How's your French? Mine stinks.
Jay
"Jazz is not all about metronomic exactitude. It's id. It's primal
impulse. It's creative expression in its denuded state without the
sterile encumberment of considered execution." - Mark Polis
Jay Epstein
Bill Carrothers is a unique voice in the music world. He's the pianist
on my disc, along with bassist Anthony Cox.
I think you'd dig it. It's at:
http://www.bridgeboymusic.com/longago/main.htm
Jay
Chris Whealy
Hmmm, thought so. Never mind.
> It'll be on Sketch sometime next year:
> www.sketch-studio.com/sketch-jazz
> How's your French? Mine stinks.
Good enough to understand that website... :-)
naknir
>Jay
>"Jazz is not all about metronomic exactitude. It's id. It's primal
>impulse. It's creative expression in its denuded state without the
>sterile encumberment of considered execution." - Mark Polis
oooooh, nice signature.... well said Mark.
naknir
coated ?
Nir Brener.
Keith Runfola
>Chris Whealy <chris.whe...@sap.com> wrote:
>>Jay, I love the concept of metric modulations - especially when they
>>work musically! Any chance of an MP3 of that section of the track you
>>mentioned? As a sample, of course... :-)
>>Or would there be to many legal hoops to jump through?
>
>Chris,
>I can't do that. It's not my tune, nor my disc,
But if it were to "hypothetically" fall into the "wrong hands"
and got posted on the web wouldn't that be a good thing?
Nudge, nudge... wink, wink.
>Jay
>"Jazz is not all about metronomic exactitude. It's id. It's primal
>impulse. It's creative expression in its denuded state without the
>sterile encumberment of considered execution." - Mark Polis
That's a great quote Mark. Not only is it true, but it has the added
benefit of giving me a good excuse for my sloppy technique. :)
I'm going to memorize it.
Keith Runfola
www.jazzdrummer.com
Keith Runfola
>Hi Mark,
>Bill Carrothers is a unique voice in the music world. He's the pianist
>on my disc, along with bassist Anthony Cox.
Jay. Please ask Bill to fix his Buddy Rich page. I emailed him about
it a while back and he gave me the lame excuse of having a new born
baby. Where are his priorities?!!
Seriously, I would host it if he needs that. It's classic.
Keith Runfola
www.jazzdrummer.com
alden ikeda
>
>
> Yes, they were both amazing. But I think that I would probably choose
> Bill, personally. They were both incredibly musical, but Bill's
> approach and style just keeps my interest a little more. I felt like I
> was right there with him as he developed each piece. Not so with Jack -
> but that might be just because I'm very used to listening to Bill and
> not as familiar with Jack.
>
I assume you are speaking of Jack Dejohnette. At any rate I don't
quite get all the hoopla about Bill Stewart. He is an extremley
talented post Bebop Drummer who is technically flawless but What is he
doing that Jack Dejohnette hasn't played or what Tony Williams played
about 40 years ago or Roy Haynes for that matter? Frankly I think Bill
has just pretty much cleaned up their licks. Many people speak of his
great feel which to me is much like Jack Dejonettes. I certainly
respect his talent but what has he added to the Jazz drumming
Vernacular? I have seen him three different times and I still don't
get it. I got to say he's got a great four way thing going but so did
the other guys I mentioned. I'm certainly not dissing him but isn't
there alot of young players out now that are well in his league. Is it
because he is technically flawless that he is a big hit. In my opinion
certain European Drummers such as Oxley, Lytton, Lovens etc. are
really the closest things adding anything "New" to the Jazz drumming
vernacular and that is pretty much in the context of timbre, color and
density or lack of. Please tell me what I'm missing.
Keith Runfola
>.
>>
>>
>> Yes, they were both amazing. But I think that I would probably choose
>> Bill, personally. They were both incredibly musical, but Bill's
>> approach and style just keeps my interest a little more. I felt like I
>> was right there with him as he developed each piece. Not so with Jack -
>> but that might be just because I'm very used to listening to Bill and
>> not as familiar with Jack.
>>
>> Joe,
>I assume you are speaking of Jack Dejohnette. At any rate I don't
>quite get all the hoopla about Bill Stewart. He is an extremley
>talented post Bebop Drummer who is technically flawless but What is he
>doing that Jack Dejohnette hasn't played or what Tony Williams played
>about 40 years ago or Roy Haynes for that matter? Frankly I think Bill
>has just pretty much cleaned up their licks.
Oh, that's all he has done? What a slacker! :)
>Many people speak of his
>great feel which to me is much like Jack Dejonettes.
I don't hear that at all.
> I certainly
>respect his talent but what has he added to the Jazz drumming
>Vernacular? I have seen him three different times and I still don't
>get it. I got to say he's got a great four way thing going but so did
>the other guys I mentioned. I'm certainly not dissing him but isn't
>there alot of young players out now that are well in his league. Is it
>because he is technically flawless that he is a big hit. In my opinion
>certain European Drummers such as Oxley, Lytton, Lovens etc. are
>really the closest things adding anything "New" to the Jazz drumming
>vernacular and that is pretty much in the context of timbre, color and
>density or lack of. Please tell me what I'm missing.
I don't know what he has or has not added to the vernacular,
but I hear a pretty unique voice.
Keith Runfola
www.jazzdrummer.com
Dan Radin
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> On 3 Jul 2003 12:03:09 -0700, big...@juno.com (alden ikeda) wrote:
> >Many people speak of his
> >great feel which to me is much like Jack Dejonettes.
>
> I don't hear that at all.
Ditto that, especially his funk playing with Larry Goldings. Jack's
funk/fusion playing is much more elastic and less groove-based to me, while
Bill's is really definitive modern funky drumming to me.
JC Martin
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> .
> >
> >
> > Yes, they were both amazing. But I think that I would probably choose
> > Bill, personally. They were both incredibly musical, but Bill's
> > approach and style just keeps my interest a little more. I felt like I
> > was right there with him as he developed each piece. Not so with Jack -
> > but that might be just because I'm very used to listening to Bill and
> > not as familiar with Jack.
> >
> > Joe,
> I assume you are speaking of Jack Dejohnette. At any rate I don't
> quite get all the hoopla about Bill Stewart. He is an extremley
> talented post Bebop Drummer who is technically flawless but What is he
> doing that Jack Dejohnette hasn't played
Well, Bill plays totally different than Jack for starters.
>or what Tony Williams played
> about 40 years ago or Roy Haynes for that matter?
Bill has his own conception and his own sound, period. Your argument could
be apllied to any modern drummer if you want to question their originality.
But the fact is the Bill is a unique drummer, surely connected to and
influenced by the jazz tradition (Tony Williams is an obvious influence but
they do not sound alike if you're really listening). This is in an era
where it's extremely difficult to do something new in jazz on the drum kit.
>Frankly I think Bill
> has just pretty much cleaned up their licks. Many people speak of his
> great feel which to me is much like Jack Dejonettes.
This is just an unreal statement. They sound nothing alike at all to me.
Frankly, I've never heard such a statement.
>I certainly
> respect his talent but what has he added to the Jazz drumming
> Vernacular? I have seen him three different times and I still don't
> get it. I got to say he's got a great four way thing going but so did
> the other guys I mentioned. I'm certainly not dissing him but isn't
> there alot of young players out now that are well in his league. Is it
> because he is technically flawless that he is a big hit. In my opinion
> certain European Drummers such as Oxley, Lytton, Lovens etc. are
> really the closest things adding anything "New" to the Jazz drumming
> vernacular and that is pretty much in the context of timbre, color and
> density or lack of. Please tell me what I'm missing.
I don't know really. Keep listening I say. Maybe he's not your cup of tea.
But to say that he sounds like J.D. sounds a tad ignorant to me.
-JC
Pete Pemberton
on, AFAIK. NOT looking for solo drum crap, just great music.
PP
joem
> What are some recorded recommendations of his playing? I have nothing he is
> on, AFAIK. NOT looking for solo drum crap, just great music.
well, actually, I would highly recommend his third cd as a leader,
"telepathy." it's a *bit* more of a drum record than anything else he's
on; but not a wank-fest by any means.
other than that, I'd suggest:
bill carrothers "duets with bill stewart"
john scofield "hand jive"
larry goldings trio "as one" (or "whatever it takes")
if you go to www.carrothers.com you can order the first cd as well as
jay epstein's cd (both of which, bill carrothers is on; he's also on
"telepathy"). both are great disks.
Joe.
JC Martin
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> Pete Pemberton wanted everyone in rec.music.makers.percussion to know that
> > What are some recorded recommendations of his playing? I have nothing he
is
> > on, AFAIK. NOT looking for solo drum crap, just great music.
>
> well, actually, I would highly recommend his third cd as a leader,
> "telepathy." it's a *bit* more of a drum record than anything else he's
> on; but not a wank-fest by any means.
>
> other than that, I'd suggest:
> bill carrothers "duets with bill stewart"
> john scofield "hand jive"
> larry goldings trio "as one" (or "whatever it takes")
Excellent recommendations, but I'm going to have to seriously highlight his
drumming on Scofield's "Meant To Be", "What We Do" and the Sco/Metheny
record titled, "I Can See Your House From Here". I also think he played
great on the Blue Note All-Star band record he did several years back.
Funnily enough though, it's Bill's live drum solos that often knock me out
the most. The amount of information he can squeeze in, and in such a subtle
way, floors me. No solo sounds anywhere near the same, though certainly
he's capable of coasting on certain nights as would any drummer. Note that
I'm not a drummer and don't care much for drum solos as a general rule.
-JC
ric
> What are some recorded recommendations of his playing? I have nothing he is
> on, AFAIK. NOT looking for solo drum crap, just great music.
Wow! A daunting task. Try "Trio Live" with Pat Metheny, or any of his
John Scofield stuff. See:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=MISS70307020213&sql=Bkpfrxqugldse
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Bill Stewart's playing is truly something else on that CD. I think it
showcases him even better than Telepathy does.
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>
> >.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes, they were both amazing. But I think that I would probably choose
> >> Bill, personally. They were both incredibly musical, but Bill's
> >> approach and style just keeps my interest a little more. I felt like I
> >> was right there with him as he developed each piece. Not so with Jack -
> >> but that might be just because I'm very used to listening to Bill and
> >> not as familiar with Jack.
> >>
> >> Joe,
> >I assume you are speaking of Jack Dejohnette. At any rate I don't
> >quite get all the hoopla about Bill Stewart. He is an extremley
> >talented post Bebop Drummer who is technically flawless but What is he
> >doing that Jack Dejohnette hasn't played or what Tony Williams played
> >about 40 years ago or Roy Haynes for that matter? Frankly I think Bill
> >has just pretty much cleaned up their licks.
>
> Oh, that's all he has done? What a slacker! :)
I don't think he's a slacker at all. Your'e not tellin me anything.
Never, called him a slacker. He would play circles around me doing
his post bop bag that invented by Tony Williams 40 years ago. All I
wanted to know is why Bill is he such an original Voice. Theres alot
of good drummers out there.
>
> >Many people speak of his
> >great feel which to me is much like Jack Dejonettes.
>
> I don't hear that at all.
You don't hear it? Right.
>
> > I certainly
> >respect his talent but what has he added to the Jazz drumming
> >Vernacular? I have seen him three different times and I still don't
> >get it. I got to say he's got a great four way thing going but so did
> >the other guys I mentioned. I'm certainly not dissing him but isn't
> >there alot of young players out now that are well in his league. Is it
> >because he is technically flawless that he is a big hit. In my opinion
> >certain European Drummers such as Oxley, Lytton, Lovens etc. are
> >really the closest things adding anything "New" to the Jazz drumming
> >vernacular and that is pretty much in the context of timbre, color and
> >density or lack of. Please tell me what I'm missing.
>
> I don't know what he has or has not added to the vernacular,
> but I hear a pretty unique voice.
Where? I'll take Billy Hart Eric Gravatt, or Jack any day of the
week. Or hell Billy Kilson for that matter.Kilsons a unique voice.
>
>
> Keith Runfola
> www.jazzdrummer.com
alden ikeda
Okay Thankyou , now I'm learning something . I haven't heard him play
Funk. I'll check it out. As far as his jazz feel It' a cleaned up
Dejohnette IMO.I'm sorry but Jack invented that shit.
Dan Radin
When I think of Bill, I don't really think "jazz player" the way I do with
Jack or Elvin or Erskine. With Bill Stewart, I really just think
"contemporary musician." I think he's equally comfortable sounding in a
broader range of contexts, whereas I really don't care for Jack's backbeat
playing in the same way that Buddy sounded terrible to me on the
fuzak-pseudo rock charts later on. To be clear, that's not meant to take
anything away from Jack's playing in jazz contexts; I just would not call
him for a funk record.
Oh wait...any monkey can play backbeats. Sorry. ;-)
morris
it always amazes me what some folks consider funky.
ahhh, forget it..........
Chris Milillo
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Come on, Mo! Don't leave us hanging! Seriously, who do you consider to
be funky (especially among current artists)?
CM
joem
> Okay Thankyou , now I'm learning something . I haven't heard him play
> Funk. I'll check it out. As far as his jazz feel It' a cleaned up
> Dejohnette IMO.I'm sorry but Jack invented that shit.
whether Jack invented it or not is irrelevant (and I see more of Tony in
Bill's playing anyway). the point is that you don't see why Bill's
playing is so great, given that you can see his influences. that's fine
if you want to approach your likes/dislikes that way, but you might as
well cross all drummers off your list then. *everyone* was influenced by
someone. if you prefer the source rather than the result, then that's
fine. I, for one, have gotten inspiration from both.
Joe.
morris
Gene Lake and ?estLove come to mind. Billy Kilson too, when he's not
overplaying. Kenny Wolleson is super greasy, in a keltner way. Lil
John Roberts plays some nice grooves on the new George Duke record.
Poogie Bell has been funky with Marcus Miller for a long time. the
guy who plays with Jill Scott, Eric Tribbert (?) is funky. Russell
Battiste is way crazy funky. As is Herlin Riley is a different way.
I'm from the 70's. I need to hear 2 and 4 like you mean it. I won't
even go into the shake yo ass part. Bill Stewart does not make me
wanna shake my azz
Keith Runfola
>Keith Runfola <krun...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<6v09gvkdp2on3nsnc...@4ax.com>...
>> On 3 Jul 2003 12:03:09 -0700, big...@juno.com (alden ikeda) wrote:
>>
>> >.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yes, they were both amazing. But I think that I would probably choose
>> >> Bill, personally. They were both incredibly musical, but Bill's
>> >> approach and style just keeps my interest a little more. I felt like I
>> >> was right there with him as he developed each piece. Not so with Jack -
>> >> but that might be just because I'm very used to listening to Bill and
>> >> not as familiar with Jack.
>> >>
>> >> Joe,
>> >I assume you are speaking of Jack Dejohnette. At any rate I don't
>> >quite get all the hoopla about Bill Stewart. He is an extremley
>> >talented post Bebop Drummer who is technically flawless but What is he
>> >doing that Jack Dejohnette hasn't played or what Tony Williams played
>> >about 40 years ago or Roy Haynes for that matter? Frankly I think Bill
>> >has just pretty much cleaned up their licks.
>>
>> Oh, that's all he has done? What a slacker! :)
>
> I don't think he's a slacker at all. Your'e not tellin me anything.
>
> Never, called him a slacker. He would play circles around me doing
>his post bop bag that invented by Tony Williams 40 years ago. All I
>wanted to know is why Bill is he such an original Voice. Theres alot
>of good drummers out there.
My point is that even if Bill "just cleaned up the licks" of Jack
Dejohnette, Tony Williams and Roy Haynes that would be quite an
accomplishment (In fact, I would call that quite a technical
innovation!) as would, in your own words, "being an extremley
talented post Bebop Drummer who is technically flawless".
But that's not why I appreciate him.
I find him to be insanely musical as well as technically brilliant.
It doesn't matter to me if he's playing the same shit Baby Dodds
played, it still sounds like Bill. And it would sound like Jack if he
was playing it.
In any case, I really don't get your comparison of Bill Stewart and
Jack Dejohnette. They are apples and oranges and the musical world is
a better place for it.
Keith Runfola
www.jazzdrummer.com
Jonathan Peirce
jp
In article <c153605b.0307...@posting.google.com>, morris
<onedr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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Dan Radin
> Gene Lake and ?estLove come to mind. Billy Kilson too, when he's not
> overplaying. Kenny Wolleson is super greasy, in a keltner way. Lil
> John Roberts plays some nice grooves on the new George Duke record.
> Poogie Bell has been funky with Marcus Miller for a long time. the
> guy who plays with Jill Scott, Eric Tribbert (?) is funky. Russell
> Battiste is way crazy funky. As is Herlin Riley is a different way.
>
> I'm from the 70's. I need to hear 2 and 4 like you mean it. I won't
> even go into the shake yo ass part. Bill Stewart does not make me
> wanna shake my azz
Give me a list of 5 CDs to buy.
I want to shake my ass like the white jewish guy from CT I truly am.
Chris Milillo
Thanks for the visual, Dan. Clap on the 1 and 3 and we'll have to kill you.
:-)
CM
Dan Radin
> > I want to shake my ass like the white jewish guy from CT I truly am.
>
> Thanks for the visual, Dan. Clap on the 1 and 3 and we'll have to kill
you.
> :-)
I'm an expert at the "carlton banks". :-)
epb
> > I'm from the 70's. I need to hear 2 and 4 like you mean it. I won't
> > even go into the shake yo ass part. Bill Stewart does not make me
> > wanna shake my azz
>
> Give me a list of 5 CDs to buy.
> I want to shake my ass like the white jewish guy from CT I truly am.
i'll take over here a bit...
;-)
here's some ideas:
jb's: funky good time anthology
breakestra: the live mix part 2 (www.stonesthrow.com)
california soul: compilation on ubiquity (www.ubiquityrecords.com)
eddie bo: hook and sling (www.dustygroove.com)
new orleans funk: compilation on soul jazz records
poets of rhythm: discern/define (quannum/ninjatune) www.ninjatune.net
whitefield brothers: in the raw (soul fire)
aretha: young gifted and black
and if you want some shit to move your white jewish pumped-up ass to
while doin' the T-H-A-N-G, the undeniable winner is sly: fresh. for
me, at least.
or you could buy the dj shadow/ cut chemist funk 45 workout
"brainfreeze" for weirder shit + mixing. there's some super sick cut
chemist funk mix out there, too, but i can't remember what it's
called. just him, no dj shadow. some vinyl nerd at satellite records
or somewhere like that will know what i'm talking about.
ethan
morris
1) bill stewart played on a Maceo parker CD.
2)- dan, you know i'll just burn you some stuff !!!!!!
3)- Joey Baron is a funky Jazz player.
4)- Soulive is not funky to me, nor is Medesky, Martin, and Wood.
alden ikeda
Okay right, the other guy said Apples and Oranges I'll buy that. But
lets give credit where credit is due. Your'e telling me I have no Ears
and I'm Ignorant.
If you don't hear the Broken triplet Ride and and Broken up High Hat
thats a Problem.
Jack Dejohnette invented that freedom with others of the period. I
don't know where you've been. I know Music isn't a boxing match but
just give credit where credit is due. How long have you been listening
to this Music? . They sound nothing at all alike? Wow.>
alden ikeda
Thank You. I'll buy the first 3 sententces. I love Baby Dodds too.
But no one can change my opinion Comparing Jack and Bill. I've seen
and heard both on many occasions.
>
>
> Keith Runfola
> www.jazzdrummer.com
Dan Radin
news:5a3bc2ed.03070...@posting.google.com...
> jb's: funky good time anthology
> breakestra: the live mix part 2 (www.stonesthrow.com)
> california soul: compilation on ubiquity (www.ubiquityrecords.com)
> eddie bo: hook and sling (www.dustygroove.com)
> new orleans funk: compilation on soul jazz records
> poets of rhythm: discern/define (quannum/ninjatune) www.ninjatune.net
> whitefield brothers: in the raw (soul fire)
> aretha: young gifted and black
>
> and if you want some shit to move your white jewish pumped-up ass to
> while doin' the T-H-A-N-G, the undeniable winner is sly: fresh. for
> me, at least.
>
> or you could buy the dj shadow/ cut chemist funk 45 workout
> "brainfreeze" for weirder shit + mixing. there's some super sick cut
> chemist funk mix out there, too, but i can't remember what it's
> called. just him, no dj shadow. some vinyl nerd at satellite records
> or somewhere like that will know what i'm talking about.
Nice list, Ethan. Some of this stuff I know; some I don't, but I'll be
heading over to VIRGIN MEGACONGLOMOMART some time this week, so people,
please add to the list. I wants to get myself funkafized.
alden ikeda
I'm not crossin anyone of my list.If I'm going to the source rather
then the result ,Then Yes , I will take Coltrane over Charles LLoyd
and I will take Freddie Hubbard over Roy Hargrove if it gets me into
heaven. Bill hasn't changed up his shit for 12 years! I'll shut up
now.
Sum1
> Your'e telling me I have no Ears
> and I'm Ignorant.
It's just his nature to be insulting. Please don't take it personally.
Perhaps one day he'll get over it.
Michael Fell
How about some old Kool and the gang from about 1969 or get the "Wild
and peacful album which came out a few years later. Very funky stuff
here. Funky George Brown is a great player and plays a solid groove.
The Ohio players are funky and the "Skin tight" album is an excellent
example.
The Payback album by James Brown. JB invented funk.
"Fresh" by Sly and the family stone. Just a killer funk album IMHO.
Also, "There's a riot goin on" is another classic funky Sly LP.
I don't know if War is a funk band but, their "All day music" album
can get pretty funky at times. Excellent drumming and percussion on
this.
Charles Wright and the watts 103rd st band. Or is it 101st? Anyway
get the "Express yourself" album or perhaps their greatist hits of
sort.
Mandrill - Composite truth. What a great funky album this is. Just
check out the tune "Fencewalk"if you don't believe me. Too cool.
This stuff works real well for this Jewish white boy.:-)
Mike
Michael Fell
>"Dan Radin" <dan....@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<_0COa.35952$U23....@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
>> "morris" <onedr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:c153605b.0307...@posting.google.com...
>> > Gene Lake and ?estLove come to mind. Billy Kilson too, when he's not
>> > overplaying. Kenny Wolleson is super greasy, in a keltner way. Lil
>> > John Roberts plays some nice grooves on the new George Duke record.
>> > Poogie Bell has been funky with Marcus Miller for a long time. the
>> > guy who plays with Jill Scott, Eric Tribbert (?) is funky. Russell
>> > Battiste is way crazy funky. As is Herlin Riley is a different way.
>> >
>> > I'm from the 70's. I need to hear 2 and 4 like you mean it. I won't
>> > even go into the shake yo ass part. Bill Stewart does not make me
>> > wanna shake my azz
>>
>> Give me a list of 5 CDs to buy.
>> I want to shake my ass like the white jewish guy from CT I truly am.
>
>
>1) bill stewart played on a Maceo parker CD.
Kenwood Dennard played on the live Maceo album. That album smokes and
Kenwood is a monster player.
>
>2)- dan, you know i'll just burn you some stuff !!!!!!
I can do the same for you Dan. Let me send you some stuff Dan.
>
>3)- Joey Baron is a funky Jazz player.
>
>4)- Soulive is not funky to me, nor is Medesky, Martin, and Wood.
I agree with you on this Mo well about M Mand W. Never heard the
other stuff.
Mike
Dan Radin
news:zUMLP3FJ1OcE1F...@4ax.com...
> Hey Dan,
>
> How about some old Kool and the gang from about 1969 or get the "Wild
> and peacful album which came out a few years later. Very funky stuff
> here. Funky George Brown is a great player and plays a solid groove.
>
> The Ohio players are funky and the "Skin tight" album is an excellent
> example.
>
> The Payback album by James Brown. JB invented funk.
>
> "Fresh" by Sly and the family stone. Just a killer funk album IMHO.
> Also, "There's a riot goin on" is another classic funky Sly LP.
>
> I don't know if War is a funk band but, their "All day music" album
> can get pretty funky at times. Excellent drumming and percussion on
> this.
>
> Charles Wright and the watts 103rd st band. Or is it 101st? Anyway
> get the "Express yourself" album or perhaps their greatist hits of
> sort.
>
> Mandrill - Composite truth. What a great funky album this is. Just
> check out the tune "Fencewalk"if you don't believe me. Too cool.
>
> This stuff works real well for this Jewish white boy.:-)
Good stuff. Thanks, Mike.
Dan Radin
> On 8 Jul 2003 11:56:02 -0700, onedr...@earthlink.net (morris) wrote:
> >1) bill stewart played on a Maceo parker CD.
>
> Kenwood Dennard played on the live Maceo album. That album smokes and
> Kenwood is a monster player.
Yeah. I think I've heard a couple of track from that. Kenwood is on faculty
here at Berklee. My enterance placement audtion was with him...tell me
that's not intimidating! I really want to do his classic rock ensemble, and
maybe take a semester of lessons with him, though he has a notorious
reupation as a no-show...
> >2)- dan, you know i'll just burn you some stuff !!!!!!
>
> I can do the same for you Dan. Let me send you some stuff Dan.
Sure...I can paypal you a few bucks to cover shipping and media. Thanks!
Perry Justus
Perry
On 8 Jul 2003 11:56:02 -0700, onedr...@earthlink.net (morris) wrote:
Dan Radin
news:1107_1057704711@acer...
> If you can't even spell John Medeski's last name, then chances are you
haven't heard enough MMW. ;-)
I've heard plenty of their music and I wouldn't consider it funk or funky.
It's art music to me. Almost like post-jazz. Some of it's pretty cool, and
some of it's really freaking annoying, IMHO.
bja...@users.iwaynet.net
> it always amazes me what some folks consider funky.
You mean to say that Kenny G is NOT funky?
> ahhh, forget it..........
:-)
Benj
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wrote:
>"Michael Fell" <mfel...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> On 8 Jul 2003 11:56:02 -0700, onedr...@earthlink.net (morris) wrote:
>> >1) bill stewart played on a Maceo parker CD.
>>
>> Kenwood Dennard played on the live Maceo album. That album smokes and
>> Kenwood is a monster player.
>
>Yeah. I think I've heard a couple of track from that. Kenwood is on faculty
>here at Berklee. My enterance placement audtion was with him...tell me
>that's not intimidating! I really want to do his classic rock ensemble, and
>maybe take a semester of lessons with him, though he has a notorious
>reupation as a no-show...
Ask Kenwood to do the groove to "Shake everything you've got"for you.
His snare sound on this tune is just awesome. He is doing some killer
rim shots and ghost notes and that tune.
>
>> >2)- dan, you know i'll just burn you some stuff !!!!!!
>>
>> I can do the same for you Dan. Let me send you some stuff Dan.
>
>Sure...I can paypal you a few bucks to cover shipping and media. Thanks!
Email me your address Dan.
Mike
Perry Justus
> I've heard plenty of their music and I wouldn't consider it funk or funky.
> It's art music to me. Almost like post-jazz. Some of it's pretty cool, and
> some of it's really freaking annoying, IMHO.
>
>
"Pappy Check" and "I Wanna Ride You" are very funky. Also, I can't see how anyone *couldn't* groove along to "Bubblehouse" or "Is There Anybody Out There That
Love My Jesus." To call MMW art music or really freaking annoying is missing the point, although the latter is much more subjective.
Take care,
Perry
epb
> Hey Dan,
>
> How about some old Kool and the gang from about 1969 or get the "Wild
> and peacful album which came out a few years later. Very funky stuff
> here. Funky George Brown is a great player and plays a solid groove.
"live at the sex machine" is ridiculous, as it's name kind of implies,
as well.
>
> The Ohio players are funky and the "Skin tight" album is an excellent
> example.
>
> The Payback album by James Brown. JB invented funk.
>
> "Fresh" by Sly and the family stone. Just a killer funk album IMHO.
> Also, "There's a riot goin on" is another classic funky Sly LP.
>
> Charles Wright and the watts 103rd st band. Or is it 101st? Anyway
> get the "Express yourself" album or perhaps their greatist hits of
> sort.
>
> Mandrill - Composite truth. What a great funky album this is. Just
> check out the tune "Fencewalk"if you don't believe me. Too cool.
> Mike
mandrill's album "just outside of town" is also ridiculous, mostly.
it has a sweet album cover, too.
these are all good recommendations imop!
ethan
epb
> Nice list, Ethan. Some of this stuff I know; some I don't, but I'll be
> heading over to VIRGIN MEGACONGLOMOMART some time this week, so people,
> please add to the list. I wants to get myself funkafized.
thanks.
may i also bring to your attention possibly THE nastiest funk
compilation i've heard, being the ubiquity records "inner city sounds"
comp that came out fairly recently. it is too too sick not to buy on
this virgin hunt. ;-)
http://www.ubiquityrecords.com/lh040.html
as you may learn, there are zillions of funk compilations out these
days, because no one has all the original pressings of all the rare
funk from the 60's and 70's, and with the dj culture thing happening,
there's a healthy demand for hard-to find music. hilariously ironic,
but great, in a "now we get the recognition,"
standing-in-the-shadows-of-motown kind of way.
the two that i mentioned on ubiquity are really really really good.
songs you've NEVER heard, that are real SONGS, not just a break
repeated a million times with wah guitar all over it, produced well,
and the records have great liner notes. that label has all KINDS of
great shit.
one final funk recommendation from me: "funk spectrum 3" f/ keb darge
and pete rock (on bbe, "barely breaking even" records). this is a
total workout of rare funk shit from this skinny white scottish guy
that is like the king of northern soul, and the greatest hip hop
producer of all time. they simply dig their crates and hook you up
with an [unmixed] mixtape. can't go wrong with that shit!
any of these records i've mentioned you can throw in your cd changer,
turn it up, play in it's entirety, and blow out your next house party,
100% guaranteed, front to back.
for the same purpose of head nodding melody groove overload, may i
suggest the jamaican reggae label trojan's 3 cd box set called
"lovers"? it's like $15 for 3 FULL CD's of the most beautiful love
songs over the funkiest, grittiest production sounds i've heard. also
will blow your party out with soul. trojan has a zillion of 3 cd
comps out right now but this is my favorite by FAR. it is
sooooooooooo good. and soooo cheap. and you will sooooo buy it. IT
needs YOU, dan.
ethan
Dan Radin
news:<6OFOa.21177$Ha....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...
> compilation i've heard, being the ubiquity records "inner city sounds"
> comp that came out fairly recently. it is too too sick not to buy on
> this virgin hunt. ;-)
>
> http://www.ubiquityrecords.com/lh040.html
NICE.
> for the same purpose of head nodding melody groove overload, may i
> suggest the jamaican reggae label trojan's 3 cd box set called
> "lovers"? it's like $15 for 3 FULL CD's of the most beautiful love
> songs over the funkiest, grittiest production sounds i've heard. also
> will blow your party out with soul. trojan has a zillion of 3 cd
> comps out right now but this is my favorite by FAR. it is
> sooooooooooo good. and soooo cheap. and you will sooooo buy it. IT
> needs YOU, dan.
Word.
I'm rapidly running out of money for the hoarding of square badge Gretsches
and 60's As. :-)
Pete Pemberton
> for the same purpose of head nodding melody groove overload, may i
> suggest the jamaican reggae label trojan's 3 cd box set called
> "lovers"? it's like $15 for 3 FULL CD's of the most beautiful love
> songs over the funkiest, grittiest production sounds i've heard. also
> will blow your party out with soul. trojan has a zillion of 3 cd
> comps out right now but this is my favorite by FAR. it is
> sooooooooooo good. and soooo cheap. and you will sooooo buy it. IT
> needs YOU, dan.
>
> ethan
High (Blondie) and some other great ska gems.
PP
joem
> lets give credit where credit is due. Your'e telling me I have no Ears
> and I'm Ignorant.
> If you don't hear the Broken triplet Ride and and Broken up High Hat
> thats a Problem.
> Jack Dejohnette invented that freedom with others of the period. I
> don't know where you've been. I know Music isn't a boxing match but
> just give credit where credit is due. How long have you been listening
> to this Music? . They sound nothing at all alike? Wow.>
1) why are YOU turning this into a pissing match? you don't like Bill,
so move on with your life
2) are you seriously juvenile enough to pull out the "I've been
listening to this music longer so I know what I'm talking about" card?
3) it's hi hat (or hi-hat), not "High Hat"; how long have you been
playing this music?
Joe.
joem
> then the result ,Then Yes , I will take Coltrane over Charles LLoyd
> and I will take Freddie Hubbard over Roy Hargrove if it gets me into
> heaven. Bill hasn't changed up his shit for 12 years! I'll shut up
> now.
and jack has in 30?
Joe.
morris
>
> How about some old Kool and the gang from about 1969 or get the "Wild
> and peacful album which came out a few years later. Very funky stuff
> here. Funky George Brown is a great player and plays a solid groove.
>
> The Ohio players are funky and the "Skin tight" album is an excellent
> example.
>
> The Payback album by James Brown. JB invented funk.
>
> "Fresh" by Sly and the family stone. Just a killer funk album IMHO.
> Also, "There's a riot goin on" is another classic funky Sly LP.
>
> I don't know if War is a funk band but, their "All day music" album
> can get pretty funky at times. Excellent drumming and percussion on
> this.
>
> Charles Wright and the watts 103rd st band. Or is it 101st? Anyway
> get the "Express yourself" album or perhaps their greatist hits of
> sort.
>
> Mandrill - Composite truth. What a great funky album this is. Just
> check out the tune "Fencewalk"if you don't believe me. Too cool.
>
> This stuff works real well for this Jewish white boy.:-)
>
> Mike
>
>
James Gadsen, who played on the Jackson's "Dancin" Machine" with
that too hip stutter in the bass drum. Pure grease.
Robert Schuh
Yes,
Joe, you already admitted that you have not heard that much of Jack. Bill
is a fine player, but he can't carry DeJohnette's jock.
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche
"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
joem
>> and jack has in 30?
>
> Joe, you already admitted that you have not heard that much of Jack. Bill
> is a fine player, but he can't carry DeJohnette's jock.
the question wasn't "who's better" but rather "who has evolved more". I
was just saying that though I haven't heard much of Jack, the stuff that
I have heard (old and recent) seems to be of the same style. though I'm
sure they both have evolved in subtle ways.
Joe.
Harold Finner
<chris.whe...@sap.com> wrote:
>> I can't do that. It's not my tune, nor my disc, but I'll post a link eventually.
>
>Hmmm, thought so. Never mind.
>
>> It'll be on Sketch sometime next year:
>> www.sketch-studio.com/sketch-jazz
>> How's your French? Mine stinks.
>
>Good enough to understand that website... :-)
>
>Chris
Here's the Stewart excerpt you were curious about...
bja...@users.iwaynet.net
> Yes,
> Joe, you already admitted that you have not heard that much of Jack. Bill
> is a fine player, but he can't carry DeJohnette's jock.
As usual, Rob has only *slightly* overstated the issue. :) I
have personally heard both Bill and Jack play live on a number
of occasions and on one occasion got to hear them A-B. I agree
that Jack gets the nod. In my book the fact that he does keys
and is a composer gives him a certain "edge" over Bill. But
while I've heard LOTS of "famous" drummers who couldn't carry
Jack's jock, Bill is certainly NOT one of those! I put him in
the close, but not quite there yet, category. He is an EXCELLENT
player!
Jay Epstein
>> Okay right, the other guy said Apples and Oranges I'll buy that. But
>> lets give credit where credit is due. Your'e telling me I have no Ears
>> and I'm Ignorant.
>> If you don't hear the Broken triplet Ride and and Broken up High Hat
>> thats a Problem.
>> Jack Dejohnette invented that freedom with others of the period. I
>> don't know where you've been. I know Music isn't a boxing match but
>> just give credit where credit is due. How long have you been listening
>> to this Music? . They sound nothing at all alike? Wow.>
>joem <jmelnyk@REMOVE_THIS_PARTcs.kent.edu> wrote:
>1) why are YOU turning this into a pissing match? you don't like Bill,
>so move on with your life
>2) are you seriously juvenile enough to pull out the "I've been
>listening to this music longer so I know what I'm talking about" card?
>3) it's hi hat (or hi-hat), not "High Hat"; how long have you been
>playing this music?
>Joe.
Joe,
FYI,
I've known Alden for years. He & I swap gigs a lot, and this guy can
run with the big dogs and SWING like Elvin. I think I dig Stewart a
bit more than he, but what he's emphasizing is his respect for Jack &
Tony being the source of much of what Bill is doing. Alden has been
immersed in, and has dedicated most of his life to this music. I have
the highest musical respect for his playing. May I suggest a listen to
his musicality on the Scott Fultz CD, "Junket", or for something
extraordinarily adventuresome, the new The Gloryland PonyCat CD,
"Black Ants Crawling" featuring George Cartwright on reeds, Adam Linz
on bass, and Alden on drums. It's at:
http://www.innovarecordings.com/albums/592.html
Jay
"It's always night, that's why we have light." - Thelonious Monk
http://www.bridgeboymusic.com/longago/main.htm
Jay Epstein
><chris.whe...@sap.com> wrote:
>Epstein wrote:
>>> I can't do that. It's not my tune, nor my disc, but I'll post a link eventually.
>>
>>Hmmm, thought so. Never mind.
>>
>>> It'll be on Sketch sometime next year:
>>> www.sketch-studio.com/sketch-jazz
>>> How's your French? Mine stinks.
>Here's the Stewart excerpt you were curious about...
Yeow, good Lord!
There are only two men on the planet with that recording in their
possession, & only one speaks perfect French, Mr. "Finner" !!!
This is not a binaries group. Would you mind reposting in
alt.binaries.music.mp3 & letting us know it's there?
Thanks.
Your pal, mediocre vocalist, and tank-tread replicator par excellence,
Jay
epb
> "epb" <ethan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:5a3bc2ed.03070...@posting.google.com...
> > "Dan Radin" <dan....@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:<6OFOa.21177$Ha....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...
> > may i also bring to your attention possibly THE nastiest funk
> > compilation i've heard, being the ubiquity records "inner city sounds"
> > comp that came out fairly recently. it is too too sick not to buy on
> > this virgin hunt. ;-)
> >
> > http://www.ubiquityrecords.com/lh040.html
>
> NICE.
>
>
> I'm rapidly running out of money for the hoarding of square badge Gretsches
> and 60's As. :-)
yeah, dude. fucking tell me about it. i've definitely spent more
money on records in the past couple years than on drum equipment. i
mean, i'm satisfied with my equipment, but buying music is just
uncontrollable for me. my dad has over 5,000 records and 2,000 cd's
himself. probably more than that now...
anyways, i told harry hulsizer that i would make him a mix cd of a
bunch of stuff and i have but still haven't gotten it in the mail ot
him yet. i just need to get a stack of blanks. i'll do the same for
you if you're interested and can wait a while 'cuz this shit takes me
forever to do!
ethan
JC Martin
news:tr4qgvc19bfdt1fv2...@4ax.com...
> >alden ikeda wanted everyone to know that
> >> Okay right, the other guy said Apples and Oranges I'll buy that. But
> >> lets give credit where credit is due. Your'e telling me I have no Ears
> >> and I'm Ignorant.
> >> If you don't hear the Broken triplet Ride and and Broken up High Hat
> >> thats a Problem.
> >> Jack Dejohnette invented that freedom with others of the period. I
> >> don't know where you've been. I know Music isn't a boxing match but
> >> just give credit where credit is due. How long have you been listening
> >> to this Music? . They sound nothing at all alike? Wow.>
>
> >joem <jmelnyk@REMOVE_THIS_PARTcs.kent.edu> wrote:
> >1) why are YOU turning this into a pissing match? you don't like Bill,
> >so move on with your life
> >2) are you seriously juvenile enough to pull out the "I've been
> >listening to this music longer so I know what I'm talking about" card?
> >3) it's hi hat (or hi-hat), not "High Hat"; how long have you been
> >playing this music?
> >Joe.
>
> Joe,
> FYI,
> I've known Alden for years. He & I swap gigs a lot, and this guy can
> run with the big dogs and SWING like Elvin. I think I dig Stewart a
> bit more than he, but what he's emphasizing is his respect for Jack &
> Tony being the source of much of what Bill is doing.
If I'm not mistaken, Bill cites Philly Joe Jones and Tony Williams as bigger
influences. I love Jack's playing, but to isolate one technique and use
that as proof that Bill sounds like Jack is silly. Use your ears and get
outside the theory. They are completely different drummers who approach
their kit in a completely different manner. Bill understands these
distinctions from the few conversations I've had with him. Alden may be
kick ass, and I look forward to hearing him play (thanks for the
recommendation), but when he listens to those two play and says that they
sound the same....well, that just doesn't make sense.
-JC
Michael Fell
Ethan,
Dan has 5 cds coming in the mail. If you have anything you want to
send me feel free. Perhaps I can do the same for you.
Mike
Dan Radin
> bunch of stuff and i have but still haven't gotten it in the mail ot
> him yet. i just need to get a stack of blanks. i'll do the same for
> you if you're interested and can wait a while 'cuz this shit takes me
> forever to do!
If you can, that would be great. I'd be happy to send you a few bucks to
cover media and shipping.
joem
> Joe,
> FYI,
> I've known Alden for years. He & I swap gigs a lot, and this guy can
> run with the big dogs and SWING like Elvin. I think I dig Stewart a
> bit more than he, but what he's emphasizing is his respect for Jack &
> Tony being the source of much of what Bill is doing. Alden has been
> immersed in, and has dedicated most of his life to this music. I have
> the highest musical respect for his playing. May I suggest a listen to
> his musicality on the Scott Fultz CD, "Junket", or for something
> extraordinarily adventuresome, the new The Gloryland PonyCat CD,
> "Black Ants Crawling" featuring George Cartwright on reeds, Adam Linz
> on bass, and Alden on drums. It's at:
> http://www.innovarecordings.com/albums/592.html
thanks, Jay. I'll check that out.
FYI, though: my problem isn't with Alden and his abilities as a drummer.
I'm not questioning those at all (my "how long have you been playing
this music" comment was tongue-in-cheek, in case you couldn't tell).
It's just his attitude about this that I think is silly.
Joe.
Harry Hulsizer
>anyways, i told harry hulsizer that i would
>make him a mix cd of a bunch of stuff and i
>have but still haven't gotten it in the mail ot
>him yet. i just need to get a stack of blanks. i'll
>do the same for you if you're interested and
>can wait a while 'cuz this shit takes me forever
>to do!
Take your time, Holmes. Good things come to those who wait.
Harry
alden ikeda
Thank You Jay. Those words are too kind. I mean your'e right on about
what I'm trying to say. I never said I disliked Bill Stewart but
perhaps I went a little overboard with my words. I did'nt mean to
offend anyone but......>
JC Martin
news:e3785584.03071...@posting.google.com...
Alden, sounds like you're a player. Hope I didn't offend in any way. I
very much look forward to hearing your work since I'm such a sucker for
great jazz drumming.
-JC
alden ikeda
JC,
No you didn't offend me at all. I think it's good to have spirited discussions
about these type of things. Thanks
Alden
Jay Epstein
>Jay Epstein <ja...@earth.man> wrote:
>>Bill Carrothers is a unique voice in the music world. He's the pianist
>>on my disc, along with bassist Anthony Cox:
http://www.bridgeboymusic.com/longago/main.htm
>
>Jay. Please ask Bill to fix his Buddy Rich page. I emailed him about
>it a while back and he gave me the lame excuse of having a new born
>baby. Where are his priorities?!!
>Seriously, I would host it if he needs that. It's classic.
Hi Keith,
Ha! I can't use that as an excuse for anything.
It's up now:
http://carrothers.com/billyboy/mybuddy.htm
Carrothers is on tour this month through France with Stewart . . .
Jay
"Sometimes it takes a long time to sound like yourself."-Miles Davis