Ways to Use STICK CONTROL
Mark Polis
I know this has been gone over before on various occasions in here, but can
you folks provide any and all suggestions you are aware of as to the various
ways in which George Lawrence Stone's "Stick Control" can be used (in
addition to the obvious R/L hand figures as written).
Please be as specific & detailed as you can and/or direct me to a source if
you know of one.
Thanks in advance for your help with this.
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Randal Walker
up. Change up the combinations to include the foot.
"Mark Polis" <b.d...@suscom.net> wrote in message
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> Shriners,
> I know this has been gone over before on various occasions in here, but
can
> you folks provide any and all suggestions you are aware of as to the
various
> ways in which George Lawrence Stone's "Stick Control" can be used (in
> addition to the obvious R/L hand figures as written).
> Please be as specific & detailed as you can and/or direct me to a source
if
> you know of one.
> Thanks in advance for your help with this.
> --
> --
TJ Hertz
A few interesting ones my teacher taught me:
Follow each of the first section exercises (the 8th note sticking ones) with
2 bars of eighth notes in the hand that finished the exercise. So |: RLRR
LRLL:| becomes RLRR LRLL RLRR LRLL LLLL LLLL LLLL LLLL (repeat ad nauseum)
Again in the first section exercises, put a 16th note between every repeated
hand stroke. So RLRR LLLL becomes RLRlR LrLrLrLr (same tempo and length).
Try the above but with a diddle instead (double stroke drag) - [RLRllR
LrrLrrLrrL]
Use your right foot instead of left hand. Or right hand. Or left foot. etc
On the double stroke exercises, play the doubles on the snare and single
hits on the corresponding high/low (left/right) toms
If you have a double pedal, mirror your RH/RF and LH/LF (never tried that
one)
If you have a double pedal, mirror your RH/LF and LH/RF (never ever gonna
manage that one)
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TJ Hertz
http://www.whatyourenot.com
Pete Pemberton
Example, jazz rideon RH with 2+4 on LF, play stick control between LH RF.
PP
"Mark Polis" <b.d...@suscom.net> wrote in message
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> Shriners,
> I know this has been gone over before on various occasions in here, but
can
> you folks provide any and all suggestions you are aware of as to the
various
> ways in which George Lawrence Stone's "Stick Control" can be used (in
> addition to the obvious R/L hand figures as written).
> Please be as specific & detailed as you can and/or direct me to a source
if
> you know of one.
> Thanks in advance for your help with this.
> --
> --
> o-----« Mark Polis b.d...@suscom.net »-----o
Ed Pierce
>I know this has been gone over before on various occasions in here, but can
>you folks provide any and all suggestions you are aware of as to the various
>ways in which George Lawrence Stone's "Stick Control" can be used (in
>addition to the obvious R/L hand figures as written).
>Please be as specific & detailed as you can and/or direct me to a source if
>you know of one.
>Thanks in advance for your help with this.
>--
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>
>"You play because you must." - drummer Tony Williams
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Mark,
Here are some I can think of, in no particular order (these apply to the first
three pages):
1. Play a right hand flam on each R, and a left hand flam on each L. Also try
this with drags (right hand drag on each R etc.) , and again with 4 stroke
ruffs.
2. Play a right hand paradiddle for each R and a left hand paradiddle for each
L, accenting the first note of each paradiddle; thus, RLRL becomes Rlrr Lrll
Rlrr Lrll, RRLL becomes Rlrr Rlrr Lrll Lrll etc. (I heard about this exercise
from both Danny Gottlieb and John Riley, and both attributed it to Joe
Morello).
3. Accent every four notes, or just the 5th note of each exercise (to emulate
a backbeat, if you're thinking of the notes like 16ths), or any other
combination of accents (of course, you can get exercises like this from Accents
and Rebounds as well).
4. Do fill ins on repeated notes (someone else suggested this too): RRRR LLLL
becomes RlRlRlR LrLrLrL, RRRL RRRL becomes RlRlR L RlRlR L(don't play a single
after the last repeated note so you can switch hands).
5.Play as 16ths: right hand on cymbal in unison with Bass drum on all R's, left
hand fills in on snare for all L's; play hi hat ostinato with foot (2 and 4,
all 4's, all 8ths, etc.).
6. Play as 16ths: hands together (right hand cymbal, left hand snare, for
instance) on all R's, bass drum plays all L's; play hi hat ostinato with foot
(2 and 4, all 4's, all 8ths, etc.).
7. Play as 16ths: hands together (right hand cymbal, left hand snare, for
instance) on all R's, hi-hat plays all L's; this is most applicable to
exercises with only single L's. Also try it with right hand on hi hat, getting
an open hi hat sound on the R's, and closing it on the L's.
8. Play as 16ths: Pick a right hand ostinato (8ths, 16ths, etc.) and a hi hat
ostinato (all 4's, all 8ths etc.) and play all R's with the bass drum and all
L's with the snare. You can try to match the dynamics of the snare and bass,
OR play all light ghost strokes on the snare, OR play an accented backbeat with
left hand when it falls on two and four, and ghost all the remaining notes.
9.Joe Morello had an article called "The Drori exercise" over ten years ago in
MD-- Play the jazz ride pattern with the right hand, hi-hat on 2 and 4, then
against it play L=left hand on snare, R=bass drum in these progressive rhythms:
quarter note triplets, 8ths (swung or straight), 8th note triplets, 16ths.
Also play it with L=left hand, R=hi hat (with foot), and R=bass drum, L=hi-hat,
with rim click with left hand on 2 and 4. Of course, you can do this with other
right hand an hi-hat ostinatos as well.
10. These just apply to what you call the "obvious R/L hand figures as
written," but I wanted to mention that I've found it helpful practicing the
exercises as a. full strokes, b. half strokes, c. low or "tap" strokes, d. with
fingers, using a french grip (thumb on top), e. with forearms (i.e. the
"straight forearm throw" or "power stroke" referred to in Joe Morello's first
video and Dom Famularo's book "It's Your Move"--slowly!, f. with brushes
(usually I practice these with a full "snapped" stroke). Also, you can play
these exercises as broken triplets ("swing" them), OR play them as 8th note
triplets (this goes for the drumset examples above too).
11. Play alternating single strokes for all R's, and bass drum for all L's
(play hi hat ostinato with left foot). Thus, RLRL RLRL becomes (F=bass drum)
RFLF RFLF, and RRLL RRLL becomes RLFF RLFF, etc.
12. Play as usual with hands against ostinato with feet. For example: samba
pattern between bass drum and hi hat, right hand on cymbal and left hand on
snare/toms.
Some of these exercises and more are in John Ramsay's book on Alan Dawson. Joe
Morello had a series of articles in MD around 1990 or so on variations on Stick
Control, if you can find those.
I've found a lot of these exercises very helpful, to say the least!
Ed Pierce
Michael Fell
wrote:
>Shriners,
>I know this has been gone over before on various occasions in here, but can
>you folks provide any and all suggestions you are aware of as to the various
>ways in which George Lawrence Stone's "Stick Control" can be used (in
>addition to the obvious R/L hand figures as written).
>Please be as specific & detailed as you can and/or direct me to a source if
>you know of one.
>Thanks in advance for your help with this.
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>o-----«? Mark Polis ? b.d...@suscom.net ?»-----o
>
>"You play because you must." - drummer Tony Williams
Also, you can add accents.
Mike
riddim
> I know this has been gone over before on various occasions in here, but
can
> you folks provide any and all suggestions you are aware of as to the
various
> ways in which George Lawrence Stone's "Stick Control" can be used (in
> addition to the obvious R/L hand figures as written).
> Please be as specific & detailed as you can and/or direct me to a source
if
> you know of one.
> Thanks in advance for your help with this.
> --
> --
A few possibilities:
- Play an ostinato with one hand while the other hand and a foot do the
line. E.g., you could start with a swing pattern, and
play the 8ths or triplet exercises against this, with R= right foot, L=left
hand. Then you could reverse it (R = right hand, L= left foot, while leading
with the other hand. H could be on 2 and 4, or all 4. Once you get these
down, try the HH in quarter note triplets. And once you have all that down,
try it with cascara on one hand and clave on one foot, using the same schema
as before.
- Let R = right triplet, L-Left triplet, and play through the first few
pages that way. Then try it with other rhythmic groupings, e.g., 5s. 7s,
etc. If you're not ready for psychiatric help yet, try the different
permutations of these groups down below.
- Let R = right paradiddle, L-Left paraddidle, and play through the first
few pages that way. Then try it with other rudiments.
- Play the exercises as written, but play the feet in groups of 3, 5, 7,
etc. On their first few pages, you could phrase it , say, 3 against 4, or 3
against 8, etc.
- phrase the 8th or 16th exercise as triplets, and the triplet exercises
as 8ths or 16ths.
- try these around the kit, once you have the rhythms down, and see what
kind of long neat patterns they form.
The object of these is not to disappear up one's backside in drum arcana. It
is to stimulate systematic research into other possibilities. Some will sing
to you, some won't. Those that do, pursue.
I'm sure others among us have other ideas.
Peas,
George Lawrence
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PaulLundquist
The most helpful way I ever worked through the book was playing a
simple,
Boom-chick-A-Boom-chick-A-Boom ("chick" being your high-hat, "A-Booms"
being bass drum) underneath the hand patterns. To start, Right hand
can be on the cymbal bell, Left hand doing a cross-stick on snare.
You cand begin to divide the hand patterns across different drums as
you see fit once the latin grooves begin to emerge. The cool thing
is, nearly all of these exercises sound good when taken up to speed,
and will create a heck of a Latin feel foundation to draw from down
the road.
All kinds of alternatives can be layered on the top of this basic
exercise. My favorites are accenting the second (or third) of any
consecutive R or L. If it occurs on the snare drum, you can replace
the accent with a loose crush or buzz into the snare head. Once the
feel is second nature, you can loosen up a little and be less linear
with the hand patterns, but even without that step, these can sound
very cool.
Have fun,
PaulLundquist
FastLundy
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Mark Rance
written, with my feet.
Then go through the book again reversing the feet. play the R's with the
left foot and vice versa. This helped my ability to lead with whichever
foot. immensely!
For hand development, I thought Ed Pierce offered some excellent
ideas...some that I am gonna steal for my students (and myself)!!!
-Mark
Chris Milillo
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> One additional way I used that book was to play all the patterns, as
> written, with my feet.
> Then go through the book again reversing the feet. play the R's with the
> left foot and vice versa. This helped my ability to lead with whichever
> foot. immensely!
Stick Control reverses the stickings already, or am I missing something?
CM
MMORITZ884
Mell Csicsila
<b.d...@suscom.net> wrote:
> Shriners,
> I know this has been gone over before on various occasions in here, but
> can
> you folks provide any and all suggestions you are aware of as to the
> various
> ways in which George Lawrence Stone's "Stick Control" can be used (in
> addition to the obvious R/L hand figures as written).
> Please be as specific & detailed as you can and/or direct me to a source
> if
> you know of one.
> Thanks in advance for your help with this.
If I remember correctly, Skip Hadden passed out a small pamphlet at the
1999 PASIC that had about 40 different ways to use Stick Control in a
straight 8ths drumset setting. I've got it stored away somewhere.
There's also another book which uses Stick Control patterns/concepts for
drumset warmups. Daniel Humair's "Drums Vol. 1" which was published by
Alphonse Leduc. I've got a copy and work out of it a little bit. It's
probably out of print, but if you can find it, it's worthwhile.
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