Paiste and Jazz
veinmelter
play Paiste? Jim Keltner and Steve Jordan do not count, though they
both are very creative and swinging in their own right. And please no
Euro/ECM stuff. That doesn't count either.
I'm trying to settle a "disagreement" with a friend who swears
that traditionals are jazz cymbals. I beg to differ.
Mike Cassells
And just why doesn't "Euro/ECM stuff" count?
Is Jack DeJohnette not good enough for you??
Mike
Michael Grando
"veinmelter" <groo...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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RIDDIM
> play Paiste?
Billy Higgins, Ronnie Burrage, Alex Cline, to name a few.
Roy Haynes used a Paiste flat 602 on Now He Sings, Now He Sobs.
Mark Polis
cymbal. I'm not personally a Paiste fan, however I think that Traditionals
represent Paiste's highest level of achievement to date. The 18" thin Crash
is a jazzer's masterpiece, and the 20" medium Ride is a wonderfully woody &
soulful cymbal (I also feel that way about Sabian's Andre Ceccarelli
Signature Ride). I also have a 20" medium light Swish, which is SUPERLATIVE
as a second ride voice - and as a crash/effect cymbal. I don't like the
hats - the closure sound is way too ill defined for me. That bottom cymbal
is too wierd, also.
I occasionally mix these Traditionals with Spizz's and old K's, depending on
the situation.
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Merlin Williams
ECM recordings?
FWIW...I love the sound of a 602 flat ride...
On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:26:54 GMT, Mike Cassells <mcas...@mac.com>
wrote:
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Jupiter Saxophone Artist/Clinician
"It ain't got that swing if it's played by a thing."
Jay Epstein
>I thought DeJohnette was using Sabian now....did he use Paiste on the
>ECM recordings?
Merlin, he used Paiste through most of the '70s. The first half of
the '80s, he used Istanbuls, then the Sabian sigs. The first time I
saw him (w/ Miles - 1970), he was using an Avedis 20" Heavy Ping.
Jay
"It's always night, that's why we have light." - Thelonious Monk
http://www.bridgeboymusic.com/longago/main.htm
Jay Epstein
today, in preparation for Halloween, I was listening to Jack
Walrath's Blue Note CD, "Neohippus" on which Ronnie absolutely
KILLS. This is a wild and haunting side, and Ronnie Burrage is just
sensational! I've only seen him once (w/ David Murray) & he knocked
my socks off. Near Dennis Chambers velocity, but he can swing.
Anyone have any other listening suggestions?
Jay
May all your quarter note triplets start & end on 2 or 4.
Mike Carter
Sherman Ferguson
Paul Wertico Pat Matheny
Nathaniel Townsley Joe Zawinul
Ronald Shannon Jackson Ornette Coleman
Bobby Previte
Paul Motian
Peter Johannesson Herbie Hancock
Paul Humphrey John Coltrane/Harry James Band
Billy Higgins Dexter Gordon
Michael Fisher Larry Carlton
Narada Michael Walden Mahavishnu
Yes Jack DeJohnette used Paiste on those great ECM recordings
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Mike Carter
World Class Percussion, Inc.
Paiste-dw-Pacific
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Robert Schuh
Just because no big names do not play them does not mean they are not
Jazz cymbals. Jack used Paiste for some of his most prolific recording,
especially things like Metheny's 80/81 and ALL of the Special Edition
bands. I could play a set of PAiste Trads and make them sound very
"JAzzy," while a guy who plays rock could ruin a great K. It is 90% the
touch of the player anyway.
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche
"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa
veinmelter
A)-Not my personal taste. Sorry.
B)- Jack currently plays his Sabians, no? But I think he records with
some older Istanbul brand stuff.
Got any others?
Mark Polis
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Jim Ferris
Jim Ferris
Drummer, Pedaler
veinmelter
>
> > Can anybody tell me any well known jazz players besides Al Foster who
> > play Paiste? Jim Keltner and Steve Jordan do not count, though they
> > both are very creative and swinging in their own right. And please no
> > Euro/ECM stuff. That doesn't count either.
> > I'm trying to settle a "disagreement" with a friend who swears
> > that traditionals are jazz cymbals. I beg to differ.
>
> Just because no big names do not play them does not mean they are not
> Jazz cymbals. Jack used Paiste for some of his most prolific recording,
> especially things like Metheny's 80/81 and ALL of the Special Edition
> bands. I could play a set of PAiste Trads and make them sound very
> "JAzzy," while a guy who plays rock could ruin a great K. It is 90% the
> touch of the player anyway.
>
>
That's an excellent point Rob and most likely the bottom line, but in
an effort to sway my friend to select some Bosphorous, I pointed out
how Paiste develops a Traditional line, but has yet to attract the
really big name jazz players that might validate them. Wouldn't that
be a smart thing on their part to do that? Just wondering, really.
IMHO, Narada Walder, while a great drummer and funky pop producer,
is not a jazz drummer. Someone like Billy Drummond or Ralph Peterson
is more who I had in mind.
George Daams
Jim Ferris <jfe...@execpc.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
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DcymbalsNdrums
Why don't they just have a medium-heavy regular lathed finish to match the
sonic qualities of the top. I would probably own a pair of these if they did.
But anyway, the traditionals are definitely jazz designed cymbals albeit not
for eveyones taste or idea of a jazz cymbal. Right now I just own the 20" light
ride and rarely use it because I reach for my old K's and such first. Its a
very trashy, short focused sounding cymbal yet with a metallic edge that
doesn't always appeal to me. I put 2 rivets in mine to spread it out a bit. One
thing about these is that the bells are very strong unlike most jazz cymbals.
D
Jody Bregler
playing jazz) in the good old 80's using Pearl drums and Paiste 2002
cymbals and he swung like there was no tomorrow.
Jody
bg
A few more....
Ed Blackwell - Coltrane, Ornette Coleman
Dannie Richmond - Mingus
Marty Morell - Bill Evans
James Levi - Herbie Hancock
Roy McCurdy - Adderley, Sonny Rollins, Joe Zawinul
Mike Carter
"DcymbalsNdrums" <dcymbal...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> yeah whats up with the traditional hat and that ugly bottom cymbal?
>
> Why don't they just have a medium-heavy regular lathed finish to match the
> sonic qualities of the top. I would probably own a pair of these if they
did.
D, the bottom cymbal is unlathed to acheive the sound of the Paiste
Traditional Med. Light Hi-Hats. If it was lathed it would sound differant.
These hi-hats are rather very versital. I have seen/heard them used
successfully in both Jazz and Rock musicial setting. By them for there sound
not there looks. If you want looks I can make you some incredible deals on
some red,green,blue, yellow, turquoise or black cymbals! <g>
Mike Carter
Robert Schuh
HE does not record with older Istanbuls. You can hear those clanky Jack series cymbals even on record! :-)
Robert Schuh
I agree that Narada is not a Jazz guy. Bos is making wonderful cymbals. I use them and
Spizzes and LOVE them! :-)
George Lawrence
Who has colored cymbal stock? Paiste or a dealer?
--
George Lawrence
Drumset Academy, Nashville TN
http://www.drumguru.com
"Two and four and then some"
DcymbalsNdrums
>From: "Mike Carter" mdr...@tampabay.rr.com
>Date: 10/31/01 10:22 PM Eastern Standard Time
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>
>
>
>"DcymbalsNdrums" <dcymbal...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> yeah whats up with the traditional hat and that ugly bottom cymbal?
>>
>> Why don't they just have a medium-heavy regular lathed finish to match the
>> sonic qualities of the top. I would probably own a pair of these if they
>did.
>D, the bottom cymbal is unlathed to acheive the sound of the Paiste
>Traditional Med. Light Hi-Hats. If it was lathed it would sound differant.
>These hi-hats are rather very versital. I have seen/heard them used
>successfully in both Jazz and Rock musicial setting. By them for there sound
>not there looks. If you want looks I can make you some incredible deals on
>some red,green,blue, yellow, turquoise or black cymbals! <g>
>Mike Carter
Mike, I just don't see the point in calling a pair of hats with a K/Z type
heavy bottom "traditional".
If it were lathed, it would probably sound more "traditional".
D
Robert Schuh
I think the Trad hats, especially the lighter ones, sound VERY "traditional." I
think you are getting too hung up on the appearance.
Mike Carter
R&D, Prototyping and the cymbals get played by top artists for many months
sometimes years before they come to market. The Traditional line went
through this same process. Trust me...if they would sound better with a
lathed bottom the bottom would have been lathed.
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Mike Carter
World Class Percussion, Inc.
Paiste-dw-Pacific
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Tom Hipskind
Also, I'm a die-hard Zildjian/K user, but I love the Traditionals; they're great for jazz.
-Tom Hipskind
Kevin Barrett
also features Geri Allen and Anthony Cox. It's called 'Shades of
Change' and was released on the Enja label. I doubt that it's still
available, but you might run across it used.
Kevin Barrett
Robert Schuh
I saw Ronnie with McCoy back in the 70s when I was on high school and he
tore it up. I saw him in NY years later with Jaco and he was less than
impressive. ANYONE can have bad days though.
Bill Ray
been having bad days for a while. :-)
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13612
Bill Ray
www.billraydrums.com
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Robert Schuh
> It seems there's a certain drummer here that recently changed ISPs that has
> been having bad days for a while. :-)
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> 13612
> Bill Ray
> www.billraydrums.com
>
Don't worry Bill. Lardo still has an AOL account. I think that is rather
obvious. Why he decided to start up an Earthlink account is beyond me, but I
have $50 that says it will be gone soon. He sent me a bunch of threatening e
mails last night and Earthlink does not screw around with crap like that like
AOL does. He will be here bitching soon how he lost the account because of me!
:-)
BlueM0ZARK
Oh, and you "never" do that, right?
rid...@localnet.net
> >
3d Kind of Blue. There's a Sonny Fortune CD, and these:
WORLD SAX QUARTET RHYTHM & BLUES
FREEMAN, CHICO YOUNG LIONS
Kevin Eubanks Guitarist
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Jay Epstein
much more recognition.
Jay
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> Thanks Riddim.
You are welcome.
Ronnie is a really tremendous player.
Amen. Defientely a piece of work.
He should have
> much more recognition.
Yep.