Am I too tall?
MuffinHead
In article <51i9pr$q...@homer.alpha.net>, mab...@globaldialog.com (Tom
Betka) wrote:
>I've been wondering--are all drumming "monsters" shorter people? Don't
>get me wrong, I'm NOT making inferences about "short" people. It just
>seems that all my favorites are much shorter than I. SO...I thought
>I'd throw this out to the newsgroup.
Heh, good thread. :) I'm 5' 10". Steve Smith is a little shorter than
me (I'm pretty sure - he's the only famous drummer I've stood face to face
with). Bozzio is about my height, maybe a little shorter. How tall is
Peart? Vinnie ain't short I don't think. Weckl is short. What about Nicko
McBrain? He seems very tall. Shaughnessy is a big guy, isn't he? Stew is
really tall.
Maybe drummer height hass the same range as the general population,
some short, some tall, but most medium? Personally, I've only known one
drummer that was a few inches taller than me, but he isn't very good at
all.
MuffinHead
Drummer, Mac geek Armpit Studios VIII
http://www.visi.com/~muff/ Plymouth, MN
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Nice Mopar!
--Some chubby girl to me
Tom Betka
Public Stuff,
I've seen many a long thread on this newsgroup, but I've never started
one, so here goes...
I've been wondering--are all drumming "monsters" shorter people? Don't
get me wrong, I'm NOT making inferences about "short" people. It just
seems that all my favorites are much shorter than I. SO...I thought
I'd throw this out to the newsgroup.
Lets set an arbitrary height of.....say....6 feet tall. Speaking only
of male drummers (I KNOW there are awesome female drummers out there,
so please don't rip on me cause I am limiting this to males), does
anyone know any tall mega-chopsters?
I'm interested in this because 1) I am taller than 6 feet, and 2)
being a Medical Student, I am in to the "mechanics" of drumming. The
muscles involved, the physics of the motions of drumming & reasons why
drummers injure themselves...that sort of thing. I wonder if the
amount of mass a person has affects their "style" or approach to the
instrument.
Sorry...I don't mean to start a scientific discussion on the art of
drumming--boy would shit hit the fan then... I just wanted to "test" a
theory I have about the mechanics of playing the instrument.
Thanks in advance to those who contribute.
Tom
John Clark
In article <Muff-15099...@news.visi.com>,
Mu...@visi.com (MuffinHead) wrote:
>In article <51i9pr$q...@homer.alpha.net>, mab...@globaldialog.com (Tom
>Betka) wrote:
>>get me wrong, I'm NOT making inferences about "short" people. It just
>>seems that all my favorites are much shorter than I. SO...I thought
>>I'd throw this out to the newsgroup.
>me (I'm pretty sure - he's the only famous drummer I've stood face to face
>with). Bozzio is about my height, maybe a little shorter. How tall is
>Peart? Vinnie ain't short I don't think. Weckl is short. What about Nicko
>McBrain? He seems very tall. Shaughnessy is a big guy, isn't he? Stew is
>really tall.
> Maybe drummer height hass the same range as the general population,
>some short, some tall, but most medium? Personally, I've only known one
>drummer that was a few inches taller than me, but he isn't very good at
>all.
Hmmm... I'm 6'2" and sometimes I find that I slouch a bit, but apart from
that, no problems - isn't Mark Brzezicki (okay, I know, but it's a strange
surname to have to remember) quite tall, maybe 6'4"? I think you'd have to
be *much* taller than 6' to have problems...
Maybe we should also consider the 'relative rotundity of the individual in
relation to their overall height', i.e. fat guys versus thin (not wanting
to turn this into a fatist issue, but hey, I mean surely someone who is
like seriously obese would have more problems than someone who is seriously
tall (I once went to a drum clinic in Edinburgh, I think it was Dennis
Chambers c1990/1, and bumped into a drummer who *must* have been about 7'
tall :-))
john
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Todd Hendricks
Tom Betka wrote:
> I've been wondering--are all drumming "monsters" shorter people? Don't
> get me wrong, I'm NOT making inferences about "short" people. It just
> seems that all my favorites are much shorter than I. SO...I thought
> I'd throw this out to the newsgroup.
Personally, I haven't seen that it makes much of a difference. For
instance, I am 5'11" and I have no problems. It's just a matter of
setting all your drums in a position that's comfortable for you to get
the most control and the most power at the same time.
The drummer for the band I sing for is around 6'2" I think and he is a
monster behind his set. Quick sidebar- He picked up some used Zildjian
Scimitar hats and he loves them. He says he couldn't kill them if he
tried (like his last generic hats which he cracked the shit out of). I
tried them and I personally love the sound that the make when
half-open/half-closed.
Bryan Hill
In article <51j0dv$7...@romeo.logica.co.uk>,
cla...@logica.com (John Clark) wrote:
=>Hmmm... I'm 6'2" and sometimes I find that I slouch a bit, but apart from
=>that, no problems - isn't Mark Brzezicki (okay, I know, but it's a strange
=>surname to have to remember) quite tall, maybe 6'4"? I think you'd have
=>to be *much* taller than 6' to have problems...
I'm 6'3" and I too seem to slouch slightly. I purchased a "biker's seat"
throne and set it low. It helps a lot. After playing for extended amounts
of time, I used to get back pains. After watching a video tape of my band
playing, I saw the slouch and got rid of my old throne. Go figure... :)
Bryan
stanley
In article <51i9pr$q...@homer.alpha.net>, Tom Betka
<mab...@globaldialog.com> writes
>Public Stuff,
>
>I've seen many a long thread on this newsgroup, but I've never started
>one, so here goes...
>
>get me wrong, I'm NOT making inferences about "short" people. It just
>seems that all my favorites are much shorter than I. SO...I thought
>I'd throw this out to the newsgroup.
>
>of male drummers (I KNOW there are awesome female drummers out there,
>so please don't rip on me cause I am limiting this to males), does
>anyone know any tall mega-chopsters?
>
>I'm interested in this because 1) I am taller than 6 feet, and 2)
>being a Medical Student, I am in to the "mechanics" of drumming. The
>muscles involved, the physics of the motions of drumming & reasons why
>drummers injure themselves...that sort of thing. I wonder if the
>amount of mass a person has affects their "style" or approach to the
>instrument.
>
>Sorry...I don't mean to start a scientific discussion on the art of
>drumming--boy would shit hit the fan then... I just wanted to "test" a
>theory I have about the mechanics of playing the instrument.
>
>Thanks in advance to those who contribute.
>
>Tom
>
Tom
Short people suffer from a number of psychological disorders, one of which is
the desire to be noticed. One of the best ways to do this is by playing the
loudest instrument in a band.
On the subject of injuries, it is well known that short people get shit-faced
more easily than normal sized people, hence they fall off their stools/stage/out
of hotel windows. Therefore the number of injuries sustained by short drummers
is higher than for other musicians.
Cheers. Look forward to hearing your or anyone else's views!
Ben
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Michael Kelly Larsen
Bryan Hill (bh...@bilbo.bio.purdue.edu) wrote:
: In article <51j0dv$7...@romeo.logica.co.uk>,
: cla...@logica.com (John Clark) wrote:
: =>Hmmm... I'm 6'2" and sometimes I find that I slouch a bit, but apart from
: =>that, no problems - isn't Mark Brzezicki (okay, I know, but it's a strange
: =>surname to have to remember) quite tall, maybe 6'4"? I think you'd have
: =>to be *much* taller than 6' to have problems...
I've found this to be a problem with me as well. I put a mirror against the
side wall of my prectice area, and every once in a while I'll look over to
see myself slouching down while I'm playing. I've set my throne to the
lowest position, and that seems to help. My biggest problem isn't so much
that I'm tall, but that I have broad shoulders, and it tends to make running
the kit a little awkward at times. I'm working on it, though *B^).
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> In article <51i9pr$q...@homer.alpha.net>, Tom Betka
writes
> >I've been wondering--are all drumming "monsters" shorter people? Don't
> >get me wrong, I'm NOT making inferences about "short" people. It just
> >seems that all my favorites are much shorter than I. SO...I thought
> >I'd throw this out to the newsgroup.
> >
> >Lets set an arbitrary height of.....say....6 feet tall.
> >
> Tom
Chuck Silverman I'm sure is over 6'. Whether he's a "monster" player or
not I'll leave that to everyone's own opinion.
Robert & Hollie
Todd Hendricks
Tom Betka wrote:
> I've been wondering--are all drumming "monsters" shorter people? Don't
> get me wrong, I'm NOT making inferences about "short" people. It just
> seems that all my favorites are much shorter than I. SO...I thought
> I'd throw this out to the newsgroup.
Personally, I haven't seen that it makes much of a difference. For
instance, I am 5'11" and I have no problems. It's just a matter of
setting all your drums in a position that's comfortable for you to get
the most control and the most power at the same time.
The drummer for the band I sing for is around 6'2" I think and he is a
monster behind his set. Quick sidebar- He picked up some used Zildjian
Scimitar hats and he loves them. He says he couldn't kill them if he
tried (like his last generic hats which he cracked the shit out of). I
tried them and I personally love the sound that the make when
half-open/half-closed.
Todd Hendricks
http://freedomstarr.com/?HE5789448
Speedy Mercer
At 6'1" and 310lbs, I qualify as a large man. Doesn't hurt my playing as far
as I can tell. It IS kinda hard to fing a good throne that doesn't give me
numb-butt after an hour or so playing tho...
Dr. Speed
"Temporary Insanity"
http://www2.linknet.net/speedym/index.htm
moving to location below tonight
http://www.bayou.com/~speedym/index.htm
Michael612
Well being 6' 3" myself, I too have asked this question. I have found
that in addition to the basic issure of height, the relation of legs to
upperbody is also a factor. For me my biggest problem has been conforming
my playing to average height equipment. I had to for with a friend to
elongate my floor tom legs or for a while I was just mounting my 14" off
my cymbal stand, so that I could sit up taller without having to REACH
down to my tom. I feel that the general equipment is designed poorly for
us taller people. Snare stands are way too short and consequently, I have
seen so many taller people play their backbeat between their legs to their
left leg doesn't interfere with the stroke. By sitting up taller, one can
overcome this by getting up over their leg and resuming a better posture
more like our shorter partners in crime but just a little inflated. Well
that is all I have to say and have a great day.
Warren S. Moore, III
Tom Betka wrote:
>
> Public Stuff,
>
> I've seen many a long thread on this newsgroup, but I've never started
> one, so here goes...
>
> get me wrong, I'm NOT making inferences about "short" people. It just
> seems that all my favorites are much shorter than I. SO...I thought
> I'd throw this out to the newsgroup.
>
> of male drummers (I KNOW there are awesome female drummers out there,
> so please don't rip on me cause I am limiting this to males), does
> anyone know any tall mega-chopsters?
>
> I'm interested in this because 1) I am taller than 6 feet, and 2)
> being a Medical Student, I am in to the "mechanics" of drumming. The
> muscles involved, the physics of the motions of drumming & reasons why
> drummers injure themselves...that sort of thing. I wonder if the
> amount of mass a person has affects their "style" or approach to the
> instrument.
>
> Sorry...I don't mean to start a scientific discussion on the art of
> drumming--boy would shit hit the fan then... I just wanted to "test" a
> theory I have about the mechanics of playing the instrument.
>
> Thanks in advance to those who contribute.
>
> Tom
Okay, lessee here. I'm pretty mammoth -- 6' 4 1/2", 325 lbs, and have to
shop at stores that sell size "Oh my God, it's coming this way." The bulk
of my bulk is upper body -- I only have a 32" inseam. I have always kept
my kit low slung, and only have back hassles the day after a 4-set night,
which may be as much a function of hauling my various toy boxes as
position. But I, too, have noticed the short chopmeister syndrome.
I think that the only huge guy I know who is dazzling is Jerry Mercer
(April Wine, a fantastic live player), who looks to be about 11 feet
tall. Also, Scott Travis is about 6'6", I think.
To sum up, I believe that my problem is not a surfeit of height, but a
dearth of practice.
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!!!Will Write Mysteries For Food!!!
Blair F. Pemberton
In article <51k0ts$n...@cronkite.cisco.com>, mla...@cisco.com (Michael
Kelly Larsen) wrote:
> I've found this to be a problem with me as well. I put a mirror against the
> side wall of my prectice area, and every once in a while I'll look over to
> see myself slouching down while I'm playing. I've set my throne to the
> lowest position, and that seems to help. My biggest problem isn't so much
> that I'm tall, but that I have broad shoulders, and it tends to make running
> the kit a little awkward at times. I'm working on it, though *B^).
>
> -- Varelse
A tip to all you slouchy drummers. I am a reformed sloucher. I was ashamed
of my slouching while playing. I knew it was wrong, I just couldn't help
myself. Now I am reformed due to my Dixon throne with a backrest. Just
lean back and jam all those back pains away. Available in either round or
bicycle seat, four legs, and a piano style screw height adjustment.
--
Blair F. Pemberton
My opinions are just that.
It wasn't me - George Thorogood
Tom Betka
>Tom
>
>Short people suffer from a number of psychological disorders, one of which is
>the desire to be noticed. One of the best ways to do this is by playing the
>loudest instrument in a band.
Ben,
I think you're in the wrong place...the newsgroup for loud-ass
electric guitars is
rec.look.how.listen.my.marshall.will.go.aint.it.great?
Tom
>
JLund91352
> I've been wondering--are all drumming "monsters" shorter people? Don't
> get me wrong, I'm NOT making inferences about "short" people. It just
> seems that all my favorites are much shorter than I. SO...I thought
> I'd throw this out to the newsgroup.
It does seem like a lot of the best drummers are short, wiry types, like
Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa, Dave Weckl, etc. But there are also taller types
-- I think Billy Cobham is tall, and Dennis Chambers certainly isn't a
small
man.
I would think that shorter drummers might have an advantage on smaller,
four and five piece sets (less wasted motion, more efficient strokes), but
that
taller drummers might have an advantage on larger sets (longer reach).
- Jay Lundell
Ben Jacoby
Warren S. Moore, III (wsmoo...@fuse.net) wrote:
: Tom Betka wrote:
: >
: > Lets set an arbitrary height of.....say....6 feet tall. Speaking only
: > of male drummers (I KNOW there are awesome female drummers out there,
: > so please don't rip on me cause I am limiting this to males), does
: > anyone know any tall mega-chopsters?
: Okay, lessee here. I'm pretty mammoth -- 6' 4 1/2", 325 lbs, and have to
: shop at stores that sell size "Oh my God, it's coming this way." The bulk
: of my bulk is upper body -- I only have a 32" inseam. I have always kept
: my kit low slung, and only have back hassles the day after a 4-set night,
: which may be as much a function of hauling my various toy boxes as
: position. But I, too, have noticed the short chopmeister syndrome.
One mega-chopster is Larry Bright. His chops tend to be on the double
bass pedal but are awesome. I've seen his feet move so fast they were
literally a blur. None of us at the clinic could believe what we were
seeing. Stick-wise, his chops weren't quite so impressive, but no slouch
either. And this guy is HUGE. He is built like a UPS truck. He was
definitely larger than me (I'm 6 foot, 230 lbs).
(Putting on asbestos suit) I'm going to interject another point in the
discussion. It's the "small man syndrome." It's a common psychological
affliction of the terminally short to compensate for a lack of heigth
with excesses in ego. Needless to say, drums offer an ideal instrument
for ego trips if one is so inclined (as does lead guitar and a few others).
And the Chop-meister effect is the obvious way this ego-trip can manifest.
My observations are that short guys often go the mega-chops route to
somehow compensate for lack of height. Taller drummers tend to be more
content to keep the groove and don't have this drive to "prove" something.
Of course this does not mean that big guys can not also be egotisitcal
jerks too. (I know of a couple of examples)
(waiting for flames from the vertically impaired to roll in)
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Nathan Philip Hauke
MuffinHead (Mu...@visi.com) wrote:
: Maybe drummer height hass the same range as the general population,
: some short, some tall, but most medium? Personally, I've only known one
: drummer that was a few inches taller than me, but he isn't very good at
: all.
hmm.. i'm about 6'2.. which is pretty tall.. but then again, i'm not that
hot of a drummer.. that's it.. i'm going to blame it on my height..
: Nice Mopar!
: --Some chubby girl to me
btw: mopar is evil.. i unload their loads at work <UPS> and they are the
shittiest loads ever.. i hate the chrystler plant in my area <milwaukee>
nate
Robert E Beatty Jr.
Imho it seems that the better the drummer the fewer the drums. With the drummer
being able to get more sounds from each individual drum.
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Sargis Atanous
In <Muff-15099...@news.visi.com> Mu...@visi.com (MuffinHead)
writes:
Don't
>>get me wrong, I'm NOT making inferences about "short" people. It just
>>seems that all my favorites are much shorter than I. SO...I thought
>>I'd throw this out to the newsgroup.
>
I am 5'10" and have no problem playing. I have met Dave Weckl and he
was only about 5'7". David Garibaldi was about 6 feet, though, and we
know how good he is... :-} LONG LIVE SQUIB CAKES!!
Sarge
stanley
In article <51lh0o$d...@news1.infinet.com>, Ben Jacoby
<bja...@infinet.com> writes
>(Putting on asbestos suit) I'm going to interject another point in the
>discussion. It's the "small man syndrome." It's a common psychological
>affliction of the terminally short to compensate for a lack of heigth
>with excesses in ego. Needless to say, drums offer an ideal instrument
>for ego trips if one is so inclined (as does lead guitar and a few others).
>And the Chop-meister effect is the obvious way this ego-trip can manifest.
>
>My observations are that short guys often go the mega-chops route to
>somehow compensate for lack of height. Taller drummers tend to be more
>content to keep the groove and don't have this drive to "prove" something.
>Of course this does not mean that big guys can not also be egotisitcal
>jerks too. (I know of a couple of examples)
>
>(waiting for flames from the vertically impaired to roll in)
No flames here!
Interested to read your views on short drummers. I have a letter in "Am I too
tall" expressing a similar point. Unfortunately no lilliputian response yet
despite severe provocation. All correspondance seems to be from big blokes who
are keen to give their vital statistics before rattling off the usual list of
favourite players. Noone has mentioned my fellow Englishman Phil Collins, but
this may have more to do with his baldness drawing attention away from height
deficiency and lack of ability.
Ben Bishop
Jeffrey Kirby
Robert E Beatty Jr. (Robert...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Imho it seems that the better the drummer the fewer the drums.
The logical conclusion to this statement is that the best drummer is one
without any drums.
As to the height question, the only problem I can think of isn't really a
problem - that of sitting too low and using different muscles for pedals
(rather than having your thighs parallel to the ground, your knees are
higher than your tail and the muscle strain moves to a different location
because of that). I do, however, like having another excuse for why I
suck.
-j
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Jeffrey A. Kirby jak...@ucdavis.edu
Stephen C. Ridge
John Clark wrote:
>
>
> Maybe we should also consider the 'relative rotundity of the individual in
> relation to their overall height', i.e. fat guys versus thin (not wanting
> to turn this into a fatist issue, but hey, I mean surely someone who is
> like seriously obese would have more problems than someone who is seriously
> tall (I once went to a drum clinic in Edinburgh, I think it was Dennis
> Chambers c1990/1, and bumped into a drummer who *must* have been about 7'
> tall :-))
>
> john
>
Does anybody remember the late Larry Londin(sp?)? Sure you do! :) Larry
was a big man,very big. I wouldn't think that someone who is obese would
have MORE problems than someone who is tall, but maybe DIFFERENT
problems while playing. I wouldn't know what specific difficulties
playing drums one might have from being obese, but from as much playing
that Larry did, I would imagine that he adjusted whatever IF in fact he
had any problems playing at all due to his weight.
- Steve
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Mark Polis
Robert E Beatty Jr. <Robert...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
¤Imho it seems that the better the drummer the fewer the drums.
¤Robert E Beatty Jr.
Oh, yeah - I forgot Terry Bozzio (the ostinato king), Billy Cobham,
Louis Bellson (!!!)...ah, let's see who else...um...
I could really get carried away with this sub-thread - >-)
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fiddlepoke
There's this drummer from Indianapolis (Chris Haskett) who is at least
6'5". He is a great drummer. He plays with feeling, technical ability,
and innovation. Basically, he's really good.
However, when I play his drumkit, everything is WAY to spread out for me
(I'm 5'11"). It's a strain to hit the crashes, and even to reach the hi-hat.
So play at any height, but get comfortable.
BTW, I need a 12" 6 lug RIMS mount. I have a 14" 6 and a 10" 6 that I
don't need. Anyone wanna work out a deal?
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Robert E Beatty Jr.
> the drummer
> ¤being able to get more sounds from each individual drum.
>
> ¤Robert...@worldnet.att.net
>
> I saw Dave Weckl with the Buddy Rich Band in Harrisburg, PA on Sunday
> nite. He had his usual Yamaha setup with three rack toms and two
> mounted 'floor' toms, his signature aluminum snare and what appeared
> to be a piccolo snare drum over to the left of his hi-hat (where he
> used to place a deep tom.
> I post this information in response to your inference regarding "the
> better the drummer the fewer the drums" -
> You might not like Weckl's style, but trust me - he falls into the
> category of one of the "better" drummers.
> I'd also refer you to Carter Beauford, Dennis Chambers, Simon
> Phillips, Neil Peart, Rod Morgenstein, etc., etc., etc.
> Some drummers just want more sonic 'colors' available to them - it
> doesn't necessarily mean that they couldn't *wow* you on one or two
> drums, or even with just a hi-hat (a la Papa Jo Jones at the famous
> Playboy event years ago...).
> 'Nuff said...
>
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Mark Polis Ť mjp...@csrlink.net
> ...just MY 2˘...
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
sweeping generalization.
So how many times have you seen some skin banger with enough drums for
two people spend all night playing on only half of thier kit? Then,
someone is foolish enough to give them a solo and next thing you know
they've hit every one of them just because they are there.
The main point of my comment is; if a drummer's skills allow him/her to
get more sounds out of each individual drum then they don't need to haul
a semi full of drums to get were they want to go. In my experience, the
better drummers that I have seen (or played with) generaly play on a
relatively small kit.
FYI: I am a saxophonist and have recently started studying hand drumming.
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Robert E Beatty Jr.
Robert...@worldnet.att.net
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MuffinHead
In article <51qghe$4...@mtinsc01-mgt.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Robert E Beatty
Jr. <Robert...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>So how many times have you seen some skin banger with enough drums for
>two people spend all night playing on only half of thier kit? Then,
>someone is foolish enough to give them a solo and next thing you know
>they've hit every one of them just because they are there.
And on the flip side, how many times have you seen somebody just
humping away on a couple drums for 15 minutes? Both types can be brilliant
and inspiring, or they can be boring and lifeless.
>The main point of my comment is; if a drummer's skills allow him/her to
>get more sounds out of each individual drum then they don't need to haul
>a semi full of drums to get were they want to go. In my experience, the
But when one gets sick of trying to make a 4-piece sound like a
9-piece, they buy more toms so they can spend their creative energy
playing the sound the want instead of trying to force an elusive sound out
of a drum that will never produce that sound.
MuffinHead
Drummer, Mac geek Armpit Studios VIII
http://www.visi.com/~muff/ Plymouth, MN
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Not in the face! Not in the face!
--Arthur's (The Tick's sidekick) battle cry
Plaufert
Robert E Beatty Jr. wrote:
>
> Golly, Of course there are exceptions to every rule. And, yes this is a
> sweeping generalization.
>
> two people spend all night playing on only half of thier kit? Then,
> someone is foolish enough to give them a solo and next thing you know
> they've hit every one of them just because they are there.
>
> get more sounds out of each individual drum then they don't need to haul
> a semi full of drums to get were they want to go. In my experience, the
> relatively small kit.
>
> FYI: I am a saxophonist and have recently started studying hand drumming.
>
>
I'm told the best hand drummers only play with one hand.
--
Paul Laufert
plau...@mks.com
Chris 'Coz' Costello
I seem to remember a guy named Tommy Campbell, who appears on the
first Zildjian Day in NY video, who was pretty tall. Omar Hakim
is kind of tall, although I remember meeting him when I was in
high school and can't remember how tall he was exactly. I think
Chad Wackerman is at least 6' tall, although I'm not sure. Pat
Mastelotto is kinda tall. And somebody already mentioned Copeland.
As for the other dimension, somebody already mentioned Larrie
Londin. Dennis Chambers looks like he's been going back for
seconds quite a bit lately. And then there's Kirk Covington,
who is pretty darn big. He seems to have adjusted his playing
to compensate, which contributes to his odd style.
I can definitely think of more "abnormally short" drummers than
tall drummers: Phil Collins, Tony Williams, Rod Morgenstein and
Will Calhoun come to mind.
I'm 6'2", and it doesn't affect my playing at all. I haven't
checked my posture lately, but I don't think I slouch too much.
Later,
COZ
NP: Red Hot Chili Peppers, _One Hot Minute_
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Gnat Jobe
While height may play a role in all of this, I think overall agility and
flexibility are more important. I hate to bring guitartists into this
discussion ;) but it's somewhat analogous. I kid with tiny finger can's
do bar chords on a standard neck. So it's a combination of equipment and
natural ability, and by natural ability I'm referring to, in part, the
things mama nature gave you. If your foot is too damn big to fit
comfortably on a pedal, either find or build a pedal that works, or find
a different instrument. If your lung capacity is too weak to blow a
tuba, either build it up or find a different instrument. While I doubt
Robert Wadlow (tallest man to ever live at 7ft 11.1 inches) could play
drums, I think most of us fit into the average range and drums are made
accordingly, though I wouldn't mind having a bass the size of a tympani.
--
Some may say that I have a God complex, but that's ok; I forgive them.
nj...@college.antioch.edu http://college.antioch.edu/~njobe
Tom Betka
On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 01:21:51 GMT, mab...@globaldialog.com (Tom Betka)
wrote:
Public Stuff...
WOW!!! 26 on the thread as of Tuesday night. What's the
record--anybody know? (anybody care?)
BTW, just got the new Dave Matthews Band CD--"Crash"--and I'm
wondering...how'd that boy learn to play like that???
Thanks to all who've posted...
Tom
Dana Burgess
Chris 'Coz' Costello wrote:
>
> I'm 6'2", and it doesn't affect my playing at all. I haven't
> checked my posture lately, but I don't think I slouch too much.
>
> Later,
> COZ
I'm 6'2", and it *has* affected the way I set the drums up. I have two
drum kits, almost identical is sizes and number of drums. A few months
ago I bought a double-tom stand for the toms that were mounted on the
kick of one of my kits (the other kit still had the toms mounted on the
kick). After removing the toms from the kick, I could place the kick a
bit farther away than I had previously been able to, which is *MUCH*
more comfortable. And I now have been able to place the toms in a more
reachable position. I hadn't really noticed how much of a difference it
made until I started playing the other kit (with the toms still mounted
on the kick) quite a bit. Halfway through the first set of every gig, I
was noticing that something wasn't right, that something just didn't
feel good. I blew it off for a couple of months thinking it was just my
imagination. But then it dawned on me: having the toms anchored to the
kick was keeping me from being able to move the kick farther away to
accomodate my longer legs, so I was either cramped for leg space, or, if
I put the kick a comfortable distance away, I was really reaching for
that larger tom. I've since remedied this.
Not slouching is sometimes tough to control. I find myself thinking
about my posture when I'm playing, and realizing that I'm slouching a
bit. Just keep an eye on it.
--Dana
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clara
In article <52ab3u$3f...@news.doit.wisc.edu>, Tom Betka
<mab...@globaldialog.com> writes
>Thanks to all who've posted...
You're welcome!
--
Clara (on behalf of flaming Ben (really *is* a drummer), who's views are his own
by the way, but who uses this site yet knows not where the on/off switch for the
ordinateur is.)
Plaufert
Tom Betka wrote:
>
>
> BTW, just got the new Dave Matthews Band CD--"Crash"--and I'm
> wondering...how'd that boy learn to play like that???
>
>
What creativity! especially with the double kick and his accents.
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Paul Laufert
plau...@mks.com
conigliaro family
MuffinHead wrote:
>
> In article <51i9pr$q...@homer.alpha.net>, mab...@globaldialog.com (Tom
> Betka) wrote:
>
> >I've been wondering--are all drumming "monsters" shorter people? Don't
> >get me wrong, I'm NOT making inferences about "short" people. It just
> >seems that all my favorites are much shorter than I. SO...I thought
> >I'd throw this out to the newsgroup.
>
> me (I'm pretty sure - he's the only famous drummer I've stood face to face
> with). Bozzio is about my height, maybe a little shorter. How tall is
> Peart? Vinnie ain't short I don't think. Weckl is short. What about Nicko
> McBrain? He seems very tall. Shaughnessy is a big guy, isn't he? Stew is
> really tall.
> Maybe drummer height hass the same range as the general population,
> some short, some tall, but most medium? Personally, I've only known one
> drummer that was a few inches taller than me, but he isn't very good at
> all.
>
> Drummer, Mac geek Armpit Studios VIII
> http://www.visi.com/~muff/ Plymouth, MN
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> --Some chubby girl to me
Hey, heigth doesn't mean anything. You're as good as you want to be.