overrated drummers?
Joseph Blow
Anyone want to let some steam off?
I'll give y'all an opprotunity to do it. Who are the most overrated
drummers, just so I won't dig how good someone can program a drum machine,
or whatever the case.
Best regards...
--
*Joseph Blow: Good samaritan and drummer by day,
Crime-fighting super-hero in tights by night*
Matthew Gaither
Joseph Blow (home...@nbnet.nb.ca) wrote:
: Anyone want to let some steam off?
The #1 over-rated drummer, Carmine Appice, followed closely by Buddy Rich.
Sorry guys, i couldn't pass up this opportunity... :)
--
-matt
Gaither Custom Drums gai...@sas.upenn.edu
1325 N. 5th Street, Studio 1D http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~gaither
Philadelphia, Pa. 19122
(215)235-4313
Shawn Martin
On 1 Oct 1997 07:30:39 GMT, gai...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Matthew
Gaither) wrote:
>Joseph Blow (home...@nbnet.nb.ca) wrote:
>: Anyone want to let some steam off?
>: I'll give y'all an opprotunity to do it. Who are the most overrated
>: drummers, just so I won't dig how good someone can program a drum machine,
>: or whatever the case.
>: Best regards...
>: --
>: *Joseph Blow: Good samaritan and drummer by day,
>: Crime-fighting super-hero in tights by night*
>
> The #1 over-rated drummer, Carmine Appice, followed closely by Buddy Rich.
>Sorry guys, i couldn't pass up this opportunity... :)
>
I'm better off keeping my mouth shut on this one...
Shawn Martin email: cr...@navix.net (reply address despammed)
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Mark Polis
a...@nav.net (Shawn Martin) wrote:
¤On 1 Oct 1997 07:30:39 GMT, gai...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Matthew
¤Gaither) wrote:
¤>Joseph Blow (home...@nbnet.nb.ca) wrote:
¤>: Anyone want to let some steam off?
¤>: I'll give y'all an opprotunity to do it. Who are the most
overrated
¤>: drummers, just so I won't dig how good someone can program a drum
machine,
¤>: or whatever the case.
¤>: Best regards...
¤>: --
¤>: *Joseph Blow: Good samaritan and drummer by day,
¤>: Crime-fighting super-hero in tights by
night*
¤>
¤> The #1 over-rated drummer, Carmine Appice, followed closely by
Buddy Rich.
¤>Sorry guys, i couldn't pass up this opportunity... :)
¤>
¤I'm better off keeping my mouth shut on this one...
¤Shawn Martin email: cr...@navix.net (reply address despammed)
If you were about to second the suggestion that Buddy Rich is
overrated along with Matt Gaither, I'd agree with you (about keeping
your mouth shut, that is)! Buddy Rich couldn't BE overrated - his
drumming exceeded anything you could say about it even in the
superlative. Buddy mastered the drum set. He will never be equalled.
Period.
--
o-----«Ť Mark Polis Ť mjp...@csrlink.net Ť»-----o
Timothy Gillespie
Tommy Aldridge.
Shawn Martin
On Wed, 01 Oct 1997 18:09:08 GMT, mjp...@csrlink.net (Mark Polis)
wrote:
>¤> The #1 over-rated drummer, Carmine Appice, followed closely by
>Buddy Rich.
>¤>Sorry guys, i couldn't pass up this opportunity... :)
>¤>
>
>¤I'm better off keeping my mouth shut on this one...
>
>¤Shawn Martin email: cr...@navix.net (reply address despammed)
>
>
>If you were about to second the suggestion that Buddy Rich is
>overrated along with Matt Gaither, I'd agree with you (about keeping
>your mouth shut, that is)! Buddy Rich couldn't BE overrated - his
>drumming exceeded anything you could say about it even in the
>superlative. Buddy mastered the drum set. He will never be equalled.
>Period.
>--
>o-----«Ť Mark Polis
Now, Now Mark! Buddy couldn't be overrated? While I somewhat concede
that on a purely technical level, Buddy was probably more proficient
than most. I still will never say that he(or anyone else)was the
"Greatest." It's an unprovable assertion. Anyway, I don't want to
get on this thread again,it'll give a lot of people the impression
that I hate Buddy when I don't. It's just one of those subjects that
sets me off. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...
Shawn Martin email: cr...@navix.net (reply address despammed)
Nathan Philip Hauke
Shawn Martin (a...@nav.net) wrote:
: Now, Now Mark! Buddy couldn't be overrated? While I somewhat concede
: that on a purely technical level, Buddy was probably more proficient
: than most. I still will never say that he(or anyone else)was the
: "Greatest." It's an unprovable assertion. Anyway, I don't want to
: get on this thread again,it'll give a lot of people the impression
: that I hate Buddy when I don't. It's just one of those subjects that
: sets me off. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...
alright.. good, we won't have yet another buddy debate :).. but speaking
of overrated drummers.. let's talk about phil rudd.. c'mon no
imagination.. i know four on the floor may be good for some things <disco,
power> but use SOME variation for god's sake
nate
John or Jenn
In article <60vcg5$d...@uwm.edu> Nathan Philip Hauke,
spamsu...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu writes:
>of overrated drummers.. let's talk about phil rudd.. c'mon no
>imagination.. i know four on the floor may be good for some things <disco,
>power> but use SOME variation for god's sake
a) Never hear people going on about him
b) he plays to fit the song/genre, and supports the whole of the song
(besides, check the lyrics...only 3 topics in 20 years)
c) it works
d) better than overplaying...
Timothy Gillespie
The message <60u3bt$4q8$1...@pigpen.csrlink.net>
from mjp...@csrlink.net (Mark Polis) contains these words:
> If you were about to second the suggestion that Buddy Rich is
> overrated along with Matt Gaither, I'd agree with you (about keeping
> your mouth shut, that is)! Buddy Rich couldn't BE overrated - his
> drumming exceeded anything you could say about it even in the
> superlative. Buddy mastered the drum set. He will never be equalled.
> Period.
> --
Hey! Pro-Mark have started making Drummers' Blinkers!
Get yours today and forget all those aspiration worries.
--
Tim
Not all drumers are thick.
Nathan Philip Hauke
John or Jenn (las...@flash.net.removethis) wrote:
:
: a) Never hear people going on about him
i have.. many times.. just read modern drummer from about a year ago <matt
cameron, larz ulrich, a coulpe others too>
: b) he plays to fit the song/genre, and supports the whole of the song
: (besides, check the lyrics...only 3 topics in 20 years)
another reason why it sux.. no variation
:
: c) it works
:
: d) better than overplaying...
this is very true.. however, other things COULD go with those songs.. in
fact, my band jammed out back in black once, and i came up with a
different drumline that kept the power and had some finesse and still
wasn't over drumming..
nate
Thomas Mlot
I am NOT trying to start a flame war, but I think Neil Peart is
overrated.
Respectfully,
Thomas C. Mlot
Ned Potter
In article <343266bf...@news.navix.net>, Shawn Martin
<a...@nav.net> writes
>On 1 Oct 1997 07:30:39 GMT, gai...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Matthew
>Gaither) wrote:
>
>>Joseph Blow (home...@nbnet.nb.ca) wrote:
>>: Anyone want to let some steam off?
>>: I'll give y'all an opprotunity to do it. Who are the most overrated
>>: drummers, just so I won't dig how good someone can program a drum machine,
>>: or whatever the case.
>>: Best regards...
>>: --
>>: *Joseph Blow: Good samaritan and drummer by day,
>>: Crime-fighting super-hero in tights by night*
>>
>>Sorry guys, i couldn't pass up this opportunity... :)
>>
>
>I'm better off keeping my mouth shut on this one...
>
>
White from Pauk Weller - British readers of Rhythm mag voted him best
live drummer (ahead of Vinnie!) and second best overall drummer (second
only to Vinnie!) which simply isn't true. Basically British drummers in
general are over rated, in my opinion, and you guys in the US have it
taped. Just my, er, 2 pence.
--
Ned
Patdrums
<Tommy Aldridge.
Go out and pick up Pat Travers "Live- Go For What You Know" and you will
change your mind immediately. I promise.
Nathan Philip Hauke
mart...@ohsu.edu wrote:
: Guys I totally disagree with ya! Neil's video was one of the best videos I
: have ever seen... If your not blown away by his playing then you've got to be
: blown away by his approach, he has an incredibly creative style and thought
: process that really changed the way I think about playing the drums. (The
: biggest was making your drum part make a statment, have them say SOMETHING.)
ok.. good.. for the longest time i thought i was the only neil peart fan
out there.. i'm glad there's more of us out there..
nate
Kamal
I will probably be killed for saying this, but; I always thought John
Bonham was and still is severely overrated.
Diamond
I hear yuh!!!
<>
In article <19971002205...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
patd...@aol.com (Patdrums) wrote:
--
<>
"Live life as an exclamation, not an explanation!" - Brown, Jr.
mart...@ohsu.edu
Guys I totally disagree with ya! Neil's video was one of the best videos I
have ever seen... If your not blown away by his playing then you've got to be
blown away by his approach, he has an incredibly creative style and thought
process that really changed the way I think about playing the drums. (The
biggest was making your drum part make a statment, have them say SOMETHING.)
Also, I belive his intent of the video was not to "blow you away" but, rather
show a different approach to just sitting down a hitting every drum as many
times or as hard as you can. I am not RUSH fan and I can't stand G.L's voice
but I can appreciate there talent. Neil in my mind is one of the best!
--Just my 2cents-- Jaon
In article <01bccf6e$aa523e00$4727c7cd@El_Kabong.frsoft.com> "Joe Stockman"
<nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> writes:>From: "Joe Stockman"
<nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam>>Subject: Re: overrated drummers?
>Date: 2 Oct 1997 20:05:44 GMT
>I completely agree with Neil Peart (sp?) being overrated. I tried watching
>the 2 volume "the making of an echo" (or whatever it's called) but got very
>bored watching it. Nothing he did totally blew my mind. And of all the
>Rush songs I've heard (maybe 5 or 6 total), nothing really stood out in
>them as impressive either. Maybe all the hype made me think he was very
>good and when I finally heard/saw him, I was disappointed. That sounds
>like overrated to me. I hear Buddy Rich is good too but I've never
>seen/heard him either. I plan on it in the future to see what all the fuss
>is about...
>My background is mostly metal so this may have a slight affect on my
>opinion as well. Just my two cents as I am not trying to start a flame war
>either.
>-Joe
>----------------------------------------------
>remove the obvious (nospam) or
>jstockman at frsoft dot com
>(P.S. I though this guy from webtv would need help since no one seems to
>take webtv subscribers seriously. I don't have a problem with 'em
>though!!!)
>Thomas Mlot <mod...@webtv.net> wrote
Joe Stockman
rim...@worldnet.att.net
Kamal wrote:
>
> I will probably be killed for saying this, but; I always thought John
> Bonham was and still is severely overrated.
Well,you're a better man than me!I wasn't going to say it but since you
posted it first,I'll claim that you inspired me to repeat it. :-)
Bonham is overrated.
Regards,
John
htimS werdnA
Me.
Of course, I'm better than you guys!
a.
mart...@ohsu.edu
Chris(coz), This may be "Well,duh" to but it is true that alot of drummers do
not know this. TRY and be sensitive to those of us who don't know everything,
OK sport?
-J
In article <6131jn$p...@xochi.tezcat.com> c...@xochi.tezcat.com (Chris
'Coz' Costello) writes:>From: c...@xochi.tezcat.com (Chris 'Coz' Costello)
>Subject: Re: overrated drummers?
>Date: 3 Oct 1997 10:05:27 -0500
>In article <martinej.2...@ohsu.edu>, <mart...@ohsu.edu> wrote:
>>he has an incredibly creative style and thought
>>process that really changed the way I think about playing the drums. (The
>>biggest was making your drum part make a statment, have them say SOMETHING.)
>Well, DUH! I haven't seen the vid, but the obvious counterpart to
>that is that the statement needs to be something other than "this is
>a cool drum part." And it needs to support the statement that the
>*song* is making as a whole, otherwise you're effectively trying
>to hold two conversations simultaneously. Okay, so I've been on
>a bit of a soapbox about this lately. I just can't possibly
>emphasize it enough.
>As for overrated drummers, I'll cast a vote for Carmine Appice.
>I remember some book or video that claimed "50 KILLER rock beats"
>or something like that, and they were all just eighths on the
>hi-hat, snare on 2 & 4, and simple bass drum variations. Useful
>for a beginner, sure, but hardly "killer." I'm not even going
>to start on the stick-twirling video.
>Later,
>COZ
>NP: Amazing Headgear, _Amazing Headgear_
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> ---+
Timothy Gillespie
The message <19971002205...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
from patd...@aol.com (Patdrums) contains these words:
> <Tommy Aldridge.
> Go out and pick up Pat Travers "Live- Go For What You Know" and you will
> change your mind immediately. I promise.
Will do. All I've ever heard TA do so far is go "bubbadubba SMACK"
followed by interminable quadruplets between toms & bass drums.
Here's a question: Why did Ozzy Osbourne always used to get Lee
Kerslake to lay down his studio albums, but take Aldridge on tour?
more visually exciting? Twice as may bass drums = twice as good?
Can't beat a good "bubbadubba SMACK" in a metal gig? Or what?
And another vote for Carmine Appice.
And 2 new votes: Carl Palmer & Cozy Powell.
ProfBonz
>I will probably be killed for saying this, but; I always thought John
>Bonham was and still is severely overrated.
>
>
>
Has he ever really listened to anything other than "Stairway to Heaven"?
Bonham is the reason why anyone that plays rock sounds like they do. This guy
really blazed the trail. It's not enough that you may be able to play many of
the things that he played. Technically, I can cop any of his licks at this
point in my playing progression. The question is, "Could you have written
those kind of parts and did his thing if it would have been YOU in that
chair?" I certainly couldn't have. His voice on the instrument is so
distinct, like an Elvin Jones or Max Roach - except in rock music.
A statement like Kamal's is like saying, "well, Mel Lewis is really overrated.
He's no Dave Weckl. Just a bunch of swing-ding-da-ding." I think Kamal needs
to do a like music history and dig deeper.
Didn't mean to flame but there's my opinion. I owe alot to Bonzo Bohnam; he
shaped alot of things about my playing in its early years. I have since moved
on to include other influences across many different styles, but his stamp on
me is still fresh.
Thanks,
Brian Stephens
Freelance Drummer/Percussionist
Author/Educator - Atlanta Institute of Music, Teaching Faculty
Email: Prof...@aol.com
Website: http://members.aol.com/profbonz
Let's do lunch!
were all just eighths on the
>hi-hat, snare on 2 & 4, and simple bass drum variations. Useful
>for a beginner, sure, but hardly "killer." I'm not even going
>to start on the stick-twirling video.
>
about stick twwirling......SHOULD BE SHOT!!
wingnut
Shawn Martin
On 3 Oct 1997 21:00:24 GMT, "Joe Stockman"
<nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> wrote:
>Shawn Martin <NoS...@navix.net> wrote
>> On 2 Oct 1997 20:05:44 GMT, "Joe Stockman"
>> <nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> >...I hear Buddy Rich is good too but I've never
>> >seen/heard him either. I plan on it in the future to see what all the
>fuss
>> >is about...
>> >
>> >My background is mostly metal so this may have a slight affect on my
>> >opinion as well. Just my two cents as I am not trying to start a flame
>war
>> >either.
>>
>> I don't intend to sound like an idiot here but you should start
>> listening to a broader range of music. If you are primarily into
>> metal, that's fine. But if we, as drummers, want to keep learning the
>> instrument & be versatile, you need to listen to music that you may
>> not necessarily like. There are certain drummers, IMO, that are
>> pretty much required listening regardless of what you play. I know
>> that many non-jazz players will think I'm being a "jazz snob" but you
>> should be familiar with Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich, Max Roach, Art Blakey,
>> & Tony Williams at the very least. These guys influenced a good deal
>> of the rock players today, whether you can notice it in their playing
>> or not. Same with some of the classic rock drummers like Bonzo, Keith
>> Moon, Ginger Baker etc...
>
>You do sound a little like an idiot as you did not truly understand the
>nature of my post. Why would I be watching a Neil Peart video if I wasn't
>interested in different types of music? Why would I mention wanting to see
>Buddy Rich play if I wasn't interested in different drumming styles? I
>mostly listen to and enjoy metal music and am influenced by it. I also
>listen to Jazz and some other styles (Classic Rock, Alternative) but do not
>know them well enough to name drummer's names. I find alot of the beats in
>Jazz very interesting and am genuinely impressed listening to them. Even
>local jazz bands and their drummers are good. I try to incorporate some of
>the things I hear into my own projects.
>
I wasn't referring to whether or not Neil is overrated. I don't know
how long you have been playing drums, but the point I was trying to
make is that it seems odd that you had never heard any Buddy Rich
before. It's not a jab at you, it just struck me as a little out of
the ordinary.
>BTW, if I wanted to see/hear things by Buddy Rich, where is a good place to
>start? I am assuming from the previous post that he is a Jazz drummer.
>
You can pick up the DCI videos, Buddy Rich Jazz Legend, as a start.
I'd recommend the 2nd video if you don't want to plop down the cash
for both of them. It will give you a better representation of what
made him what he was. As far as albums go, you could start with
"Mercy, Mercy" or "Big Swing Face." Both are available on cd. I
believe that all of these are available through CDNow.
Chris 'Coz' Costello
>he has an incredibly creative style and thought
>process that really changed the way I think about playing the drums. (The
>biggest was making your drum part make a statment, have them say SOMETHING.)
Well, DUH! I haven't seen the vid, but the obvious counterpart to
that is that the statement needs to be something other than "this is
a cool drum part." And it needs to support the statement that the
*song* is making as a whole, otherwise you're effectively trying
to hold two conversations simultaneously. Okay, so I've been on
a bit of a soapbox about this lately. I just can't possibly
emphasize it enough.
As for overrated drummers, I'll cast a vote for Carmine Appice.
I remember some book or video that claimed "50 KILLER rock beats"
or something like that, and they were all just eighths on the
hi-hat, snare on 2 & 4, and simple bass drum variations. Useful
for a beginner, sure, but hardly "killer." I'm not even going
to start on the stick-twirling video.
Later,
Shawn Martin
On 2 Oct 1997 20:05:44 GMT, "Joe Stockman"
<nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> wrote:
>I completely agree with Neil Peart (sp?) being overrated. I tried watching
>the 2 volume "the making of an echo" (or whatever it's called) but got very
>bored watching it. Nothing he did totally blew my mind. And of all the
>Rush songs I've heard (maybe 5 or 6 total), nothing really stood out in
>them as impressive either. Maybe all the hype made me think he was very
>good and when I finally heard/saw him, I was disappointed. That sounds
>like overrated to me. I hear Buddy Rich is good too but I've never
>seen/heard him either. I plan on it in the future to see what all the fuss
>is about...
>
>My background is mostly metal so this may have a slight affect on my
>opinion as well. Just my two cents as I am not trying to start a flame war
>either.
I don't intend to sound like an idiot here but you should start
listening to a broader range of music. If you are primarily into
metal, that's fine. But if we, as drummers, want to keep learning the
instrument & be versatile, you need to listen to music that you may
not necessarily like. There are certain drummers, IMO, that are
pretty much required listening regardless of what you play. I know
that many non-jazz players will think I'm being a "jazz snob" but you
should be familiar with Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich, Max Roach, Art Blakey,
& Tony Williams at the very least. These guys influenced a good deal
of the rock players today, whether you can notice it in their playing
or not. Same with some of the classic rock drummers like Bonzo, Keith
Moon, Ginger Baker etc...
Shawn Martin email: cr...@navix.net (reply address despammed)
Joe Stockman
Shawn Martin <NoS...@navix.net> wrote
> On 2 Oct 1997 20:05:44 GMT, "Joe Stockman"
> <nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> wrote:
<snip>
> >...I hear Buddy Rich is good too but I've never
> >seen/heard him either. I plan on it in the future to see what all the
fuss
> >is about...
> >
> >My background is mostly metal so this may have a slight affect on my
> >opinion as well. Just my two cents as I am not trying to start a flame
war
> >either.
>
> I don't intend to sound like an idiot here but you should start
> listening to a broader range of music. If you are primarily into
> metal, that's fine. But if we, as drummers, want to keep learning the
> instrument & be versatile, you need to listen to music that you may
> not necessarily like. There are certain drummers, IMO, that are
> pretty much required listening regardless of what you play. I know
> that many non-jazz players will think I'm being a "jazz snob" but you
> should be familiar with Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich, Max Roach, Art Blakey,
> & Tony Williams at the very least. These guys influenced a good deal
> of the rock players today, whether you can notice it in their playing
> or not. Same with some of the classic rock drummers like Bonzo, Keith
> Moon, Ginger Baker etc...
You do sound a little like an idiot as you did not truly understand the
nature of my post. Why would I be watching a Neil Peart video if I wasn't
interested in different types of music? Why would I mention wanting to see
Buddy Rich play if I wasn't interested in different drumming styles? I
mostly listen to and enjoy metal music and am influenced by it. I also
listen to Jazz and some other styles (Classic Rock, Alternative) but do not
know them well enough to name drummer's names. I find alot of the beats in
Jazz very interesting and am genuinely impressed listening to them. Even
local jazz bands and their drummers are good. I try to incorporate some of
the things I hear into my own projects.
I was just saying that with a large number of people thinking Neil is God,
that I SHOULD be very impressed (I wasn't) with his video. I'm not saying
he sucks, I just think he IS overrated. I have never seen him play
anything that blew my mind. I even sat through some horrible Rush songs to
try and listen to the drums. He just doesn't do it for me.
One thing that may also influence my decision is that some other drummer
friend of mine was gonna play the solo that Neil played on some album or
live or something. We were playing at a local battle of the bands (I was
playing Bass at the time). Anyway, another band's drummer played a solo
and my drummer friend commented that was Peart's solo he was gonna play.
He went nuts and was all into it (air drumming along with the guy). I
didn't think it was that great. I also wondered that if Neil is so damn
good and this solo is so crazy, why is it that two people in this small
town BOTBs can play it?
BTW, if I wanted to see/hear things by Buddy Rich, where is a good place to
start? I am assuming from the previous post that he is a Jazz drummer.
-Joe
Rick Osborn
> Anyone want to let some steam off?
> I'll give y'all an opprotunity to do it. Who are the most overrated
> drummers, just so I won't dig how good someone can program a drum machine,
> or whatever the case.
> Best regards...
> --
> *Joseph Blow: Good samaritan and drummer by day,
> Crime-fighting super-hero in tights by night*
Educate me if I'm off here... but
what's with Larry Mullen Jr.?
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Joseph Blow wrote:
>
> Anyone want to let some steam off?
> I'll give y'all an opprotunity to do it. Who are the most overrated
> drummers, just so I won't dig how good someone can program a drum machine,
> or whatever the case.
> Best regards...
> --
> *Joseph Blow: Good samaritan and drummer by day,
> Crime-fighting super-hero in tights by night*
neil peart, that guy is a clown, he overplays everything
Mark Polis
"Joe Stockman" <nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> wrote:
¤You do sound a little like an idiot as you did not truly understand
the
¤nature of my post.
>SNIP<
¤BTW, if I wanted to see/hear things by Buddy Rich, where is a good
place to
¤start? I am assuming from the previous post that he is a Jazz
drummer.
¤-Joe
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how about chad smith as an overrated srummer?
he was recently voted best funk drummer by the modern drummer reader's
poll!
please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
do these voters also realize that dennis chambers is a funk drummer?
by camparison, chad would be fortunate to be allowed to cartage for
dennis...
all he does with the peppers is ape flea's bass line with his foot. big
deal!
my $.02,
mark
doct...@juno.com
You Are The Biggest Dumbass That Ever Lived
People Like You Make Others Think That All The Drummers Are Stupid
Dumbasses
--
Mike
doct...@juno.com
ROCK ON----PLEASE RESPOND
Shawn Martin
On 4 Oct 1997 16:34:02 GMT, <doct...@juno.com> wrote:
>You Are The Biggest Dumbass That Ever Lived
>People Like You Make Others Think That All The Drummers Are Stupid
>Dumbasses
>--
>Mike
If you are referring to me or Mark, Thanks. It humbles me when
someone can articulate their feelings as well as you.
Shawn Martin cr...@navix.net (reply address despammed)
joh...@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu
On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Shawn Martin wrote:
> On 2 Oct 1997 20:05:44 GMT, "Joe Stockman"
> <nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> wrote:
>
> >I completely agree with Neil Peart (sp?) being overrated. I tried watching
> >the 2 volume "the making of an echo" (or whatever it's called) but got very
> >bored watching it. Nothing he did totally blew my mind. And of all the
> >Rush songs I've heard (maybe 5 or 6 total), nothing really stood out in
> >them as impressive either. Maybe all the hype made me think he was very
> >good and when I finally heard/saw him, I was disappointed. That sounds
> >like overrated to me. I hear Buddy Rich is good too but I've never
> >seen/heard him either. I plan on it in the future to see what all the fuss
> >is about...
> >
> >My background is mostly metal so this may have a slight affect on my
> >opinion as well. Just my two cents as I am not trying to start a flame war
> >either.
>
> I don't intend to sound like an idiot here but you should start
> listening to a broader range of music. If you are primarily into
> metal, that's fine. But if we, as drummers, want to keep learning the
> instrument & be versatile, you need to listen to music that you may
> not necessarily like. There are certain drummers, IMO, that are
> pretty much required listening regardless of what you play. I know
> that many non-jazz players will think I'm being a "jazz snob" but you
> should be familiar with Gene Krupa, Buddy Rich, Max Roach, Art Blakey,
> & Tony Williams at the very least. These guys influenced a good deal
> of the rock players today, whether you can notice it in their playing
> or not. Same with some of the classic rock drummers like Bonzo, Keith
> Moon, Ginger Baker etc...
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> Shawn Martin email: cr...@navix.net (reply address despammed)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> A Tribute to Gene Krupa-http://web.idirect.com/~crashmag/gk.html
>
>
>
Man, i am *still* trying to play those Blakey licks.
What an innovator!
everyone should him play " A Night in Tunsia" at least once in thier lives.
John
joh...@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu
it might be he just doesn't like rock.
heck, i've always thought mitch mitchell was a better drummer, but if you
are not inclined towards rock then thats another thing.
John
Mark Rance
Kamal wrote:
> I will probably be killed for saying this, but; I always thought John
> Bonham was and still is severely overrated.
even though lz is definitely, without competition, my all-time favorite
band...i totally
agree with your claim about bonham.
mark
Michael Beck
On 2 Oct 1997 20:05:44 GMT, "Joe Stockman"
<nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> wrote:
>I completely agree with Neil Peart (sp?) being overrated. I tried watching
>the 2 volume "the making of an echo" (or whatever it's called) but got very
>bored watching it. Nothing he did totally blew my mind. And of all the
>Rush songs I've heard (maybe 5 or 6 total), nothing really stood out in
>them as impressive either. Maybe all the hype made me think he was very
>good and when I finally heard/saw him, I was disappointed. That sounds
>like overrated to me. I hear Buddy Rich is good too but I've never
>seen/heard him either. I plan on it in the future to see what all the fuss
>is about...
>
You missed your chance. He's gone for good.
However, the video narrated by Mel Torme shows off his abilities very
well.
Michael Beck
>
>And another vote for Carmine Appice.
>And 2 new votes: Carl Palmer & Cozy Powell.
I agree with you on Carmine but I think that both P's are both
underrated.
Marty E.
Timothy Gillespie wrote:
>
> Tommy Aldridge.
He played the same damn drum solo for ten years...not that I'm into drum
solos anyway...
Marty E.
Mark Rance wrote:
> how about chad smith as an overrated srummer?
> he was recently voted best funk drummer by the modern drummer reader's
> poll!
> please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> deal!
I think that Chad Smith is fantastic...maybe he's not Dennis Chambers,
but he still is a sophistcated and creative groove-laden Rock drummer...
Thanks
E.
Francesco Bombassei
For me Vinnie Colaiuta is overrated..
... NOT !
--
Francesco Bombassei
Science Dep. - University of Verona - ITALY
E-mail address : bom...@arena.sci.univr.it
Joe Stockman
Thanks for the info on Buddy. To be honest, I have never heard of Buddy
Rich until I started reading this newsgroup (around Feb/Mar 97). The
people I associate with never brought him up and there was no real way of
discovering him on my own. I also have not read Modern Drummer until this
year either. I bought an issue maybe 5 or 6 years ago and found it to be
mostly adds with a limited amount of "useful" information. Buddy Rich may
have even been mentioned but that doesn't mean I payed any attention to
him. Buddy and Neil seem to be the most mentioned drummers on this group
so I figured I'd check them out.
Some of the drummers I admire (Pete Sandoval, Andy Galeon, Gene Hoglan,
Nicko McBrain, Paul Bostaph, Charlie Benante, Mike Boyko, Chris Kontos) are
probably not the most talked about drummers in your everyday life, but
everyone (well, almost everyone) I hang around with knows these drummers
very well. Ask yourself if you've ever heard of all of these guys outside
of this group. I think all of the guys I mentioned are better than what
I've heard from Neil.
I admit that I have been in a shell for a number of years regarding
drummers. But I am trying to experience new drummers as well as convince
others to look at new drummers in a different musical genre.
-Joe
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Shawn Martin <nos...@navix.net> wrote in article
> I wasn't referring to whether or not Neil is overrated. I don't know
> how long you have been playing drums, but the point I was trying to
> make is that it seems odd that you had never heard any Buddy Rich
> before. It's not a jab at you, it just struck me as a little out of
> the ordinary.
>
> >BTW, if I wanted to see/hear things by Buddy Rich, where is a good place
to
> >start? I am assuming from the previous post that he is a Jazz drummer.
> >
Ned Potter
In article <3438C9...@arena.sci.univr.it>, Francesco Bombassei
<bom...@arena.sci.univr.it> writes
>For me Vinnie Colaiuta is overrated..
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have to now....
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Ned
Nathan Philip Hauke
Ned Potter (ne...@redbyrd.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <3438C9...@arena.sci.univr.it>, Francesco Bombassei
that's for pointing that out for me.. i didn't reply cuz i figured anyone
who felt that wouldn't understand my flame so i didn't bother :)
nate
hsos...@pacbell.net
Joe:
The videos are called "Buddy Rich: Jazz Legend", volumes 1 and 2, on DCI
Video. Volume 2 is the best to get if you can only afford one. You can
find them at any Guitar Center or through most of the mail-order houses.
If you've never seen or heard Buddy play you're in for an unforgettable
experience. The first time I ever heard him play it changed my life,
because at that moment I realized that the drumset had absolutely
limitless musical possibilities. Buddy was the only drummer who ever
lived who had the total command over the instrument necessary to play
any musical idea that he wanted to. But get the tapes; Buddy's playing
speakes for itself.
P.S. Buddy passed away a little over 10 years ago, on April 2, 1987. He
was born in 1917, and began playing drums in his parents vaudeville act
when he was 18 months [that's *months*, not *years*] old. He was the
second highest-paid child performer in the world until the early 1930s,
when vaudeville died, he hit puberty and was no longer a novelty.
Buddy became a jazz drummer, playing dixieland with Joe Marsala's band
in New York before he was 20, and at 21 joined Artie Shaw's big band,
followed by a long stint with Tommy Dorsey. During this time he became
the second most famous drummer in the world (after Gene Krupa, who had
earned tremendous fame and fortune first with Benny Goodman and then as
a bandleader himself). After serving in the Marines in World War II
Buddy formed a couple of big bands of his own.
During the 1950s Buddy traveled with Jazz At The Philharmonic tours,
which gave him a chance to play with every great jazz musician alive. He
joined Harry James' band in the early 1960s, becoming the highest-paid
sideman in the world, earning a reported $75-100,000/year (he was listed
in the Guiness Book Of World Records). (By the way, the Volume 1 "Jazz
Legend" tape has a couple of versions of "Two O'Clock Jump" by the James
band in 1964-65 where Buddy plays solos that can only be described as
astounding.
In 1966 he again formed a big band, which was an immediate success, made
all the more remarkable by the fact that it came right in the middle of
the post-Beatles rock'n'roll explosion. The Volume 2 "Jazz Legend" tape
has several superb performances from the 1970s and 1980s. (Pay
particular attention to Buddy's playing in the "West Side Story" medleys
recorded at "Rich At The Top" in 1973 and the Toronto Jazz festival in
1982.) He toured with his big band and smaller combos right until his
death.
Joe Stockman wrote:
>
> I am assuming you mean Buddy Rich is gone for good. Anyone have the name
> of the video this guy is talking about?
>
> -Joe
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>
> Michael Beck <mi...@mich.com> wrote
Joe Stockman
Mark Polis <mjp...@csrlink.net> wrote in article
<6141ai$b22$1...@pigpen.csrlink.net>...
> "Joe Stockman" <nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> wrote:
> 丁TW, if I wanted to see/hear things by Buddy Rich, where is a good
> place to
> 山tart? I am assuming from the previous post that he is a Jazz
> drummer.
>
How about "hmm...this guy doesn't know that Buddy Rich plays Jazz. Let's
all find him and beat him with oversized Pro-Mark sticks and stuff him into
a bass drum." As I mentioned in another post, I haven't heard of Buddy
until I started reading this group and I seriously do not recall anyone
saying that he plays Jazz until it was hinted at recently. There was the
"Burning for Buddy" tribute (which I did not hear) with mostly rock
drummers on it. I thought maybe he was a rock drummer.
I'm sure there are many drummers you like that I have never heard of and I
am sure there are many drummers I like that you have never heard of.
However, I would not hold it against you as you seem to be doing to me. I
tried listening to Neil and hated it. With all of the talk about Buddy,
I'm gonna try and give him a listen and was asking for help. Just cause I
never heard of him until recently does not make me a bad drummer.
Joe Stockman
I am assuming you mean Buddy Rich is gone for good. Anyone have the name
of the video this guy is talking about?
-Joe
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Robert Valverde
Someone didn't read the whole post *8^P
In article <61cnql$i...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>, wing...@ix.netcom.com
(Let's do lunch!) wrote:
> In <61bn4q$6...@uwm.edu> spamsu...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Nathan Philip
> Hauke) writes:
> >
> >Ned Potter (ne...@redbyrd.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> >: In article <3438C9...@arena.sci.univr.it>, Francesco Bombassei
> >: <bom...@arena.sci.univr.it> writes
> >: >For me Vinnie Colaiuta is overrated..
> >:
> you MUST be on drugs...........
Marcel Lecours
Peart is all sizzle...no steak!
Mrrr
In article <199710031...@zetnet.co.uk>, Timothy Gillespie
<ti...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>The message <19971002205...@ladder01.news.aol.com>
> from patd...@aol.com (Patdrums) contains these words:
>
>
>> <Tommy Aldridge.
>
>
>> Go out and pick up Pat Travers "Live- Go For What You Know" and you
will
>> change your mind immediately. I promise.
>
>Will do. All I've ever heard TA do so far is go "bubbadubba SMACK"
>followed by interminable quadruplets between toms & bass drums.
Yeah, some of that old Pat Travers stuff rocks.
I saw Tommy Aldridge's video. I was laughing like crazy at it... he's saying
things like "Do this lick loud cuz you don't wanna look like some kinda FAG
or somethin'"
He also insults librarians, and I think also faggy librarians, in the video
too.
And, Tim... you transcribed that lick perfectly... bubbadubba SMACK!! Ha!
Mark Rance
carl palmer is probably my most significant influence. forget
probably, he is!
carmine appice is much less so. i think the only album he was on
i ever spent any time
with was starship's red octupus.
i recently had the good fortune of having the opportunity to play
in an elp tribute band.
we did 3 hours of elp classic stuff dating back to and including
tarkus and take a pebble
it was such good fun. shedding those numbers helped me out alot.
mark
Robert Valverde
The real ironic thing about this statement is that Aronoff has just as
much chops if not more than Peart.
BTW, I think Peart has a hell of a lot of spirit and by no means think
he is overrated. Just when I think I have him all figured out he comes
out/up with something else that blows my mind. Those of you that caught
Rush this last tour know what I'm talking about.
Robert
In article <343855...@uwec.edu>, "Marty E." <ersp...@uwec.edu> wrote:
> Joe Stockman wrote:
> >
> > I completely agree with Neil Peart (sp?) being overrated.
>
>
> I also agree...
>
> I suppose that you can't argue with Peart's technique, etc, but I'd
> personally rather hear someone with spirit...like Kenny Aronoff, for
> example...
Let's do lunch!
Robert Schuh
Joe Stockman wrote:
>
> I am assuming you mean Buddy Rich is gone for good. Anyone have the name
> of the video this guy is talking about?
>
> -Joe
> ----------------------------------------------
> remove the obvious (nospam) or
> jstockman at frsoft dot com
>
OK,
This has to be a put on now. First this guy claims to have never heard
of him and now he is questioning the validity of his death? Come on!!
This is a troll for sure! :-)
--
Robert Schuh
"There can be only one!"
Trane, Jimi, Bird and Jaco were gods!!
Donate a kidney, save a life. Ask me about it!
Joe Stockman
This is the reply I was looking for. Thank you!!! I will be getting these
videos.
-Joe
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hsos...@pacbell.net wrote in article <34389C...@pacbell.net>...
Joe Stockman
Robert Schuh <rsc...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
> Joe Stockman wrote:
> >
> > I am assuming you mean Buddy Rich is gone for good. Anyone have the
name
> > of the video this guy is talking about?
>
> This has to be a put on now. First this guy claims to have never heard
> of him and now he is questioning the validity of his death? Come on!!
> This is a troll for sure! :-)
I was not questioning the validity of his death. The reply to my post said
"HE is gone for good" I was just confirming that the person replying meant
HE = BUDDY. The ambiguous pronoun was what was in question, not Buddy's
death!!! (For the record, I ascertained that Buddy has passed on from the
tributes to him and other random comments. I don't ever recall a post
blatantly stating that Buddy was dead!!! So a confirmation was not
completely out of the question)
As far as the troll thing goes, what's wrong with never hearing of Buddy
Rich. I'm sure you know the name of every guy who ever sat behind a
drumset. If you read all of my posts, you would surely see why I have
never heard of Buddy Rich. I never took lessons, I played and listen to
metal for the most part, and I am just now (within the past year) trying to
broaden my horizons. That should not be held against me and I resent being
a called a troll!!!
Hell, half (maybe not half but some) of the drummers I admire I don't even
know their names. I just know the bands they play in!!! (Like the first
drummer for Malevolent Creation, I know he is good but don't know his
name). I may have even unknowingly heard Buddy Rich at some point in my
life, no one ever said "Hey, this is Buddy Rich!!!"
-Joe (Not a troll!!!)
Joe Stockman
Like I said before, you know of every drummer that ever played? I don't
think so. I was never around people (when I was younger) who listened to
Jazz or any other type of music. I guess as soon as I picked up a set of
drumsticks, I should have run out and asked people who the best Jazz
drummer was. Silly me!!!
-Joe
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Robert Schuh <rsc...@ix.netcom.com>
>
> How can ANY drummer not know who Buddy is? I guess if you are 12 years
> old or so it may be an excuse!!
Shawn Martin
On 8 Oct 1997 13:07:20 GMT, "Joe Stockman"
<nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> wrote:
>Like I said before, you know of every drummer that ever played? I don't
>think so. I was never around people (when I was younger) who listened to
>Jazz or any other type of music. I guess as soon as I picked up a set of
>drumsticks, I should have run out and asked people who the best Jazz
>drummer was. Silly me!!!
Try not to take it personally but, it is still rather weird that you
had not heard of him. Even though Buddy was technically a big
band/jazz player, he was well known on the high school and college
circuit playing for people that were not actually jazz fans. He was
on television all the time. I would recommend that you delve into
other jazz players though, not just Buddy Rich. And please(by the
love of god!) keep an open mind. Don't think of anyone in terms of
"the best" or "the worst."
Shawn Martin cr...@navix.net(reply address despammed)
A Tribute to Gene Krupa - http://web.idirect.com/~crashmag/gk.html
"There could be some kid on a corner in Iowa that's better than everybody."
-Buddy Rich
Shawn Martin
On Mon, 06 Oct 1997 01:07:36 -0700, hsos...@pacbell.net wrote:
>Joe:
>
>The videos are called "Buddy Rich: Jazz Legend", volumes 1 and 2, on DCI
>Video. Volume 2 is the best to get if you can only afford one. You can
>find them at any Guitar Center or through most of the mail-order houses.
>
>If you've never seen or heard Buddy play you're in for an unforgettable
>experience. The first time I ever heard him play it changed my life,
>because at that moment I realized that the drumset had absolutely
>limitless musical possibilities. Buddy was the only drummer who ever
>lived who had the total command over the instrument necessary to play
>any musical idea that he wanted to. But get the tapes; Buddy's playing
>speakes for itself.
>
>-hsos...@pacbell.net
>
>P.S. <snipped>
I think that the p.s. should have been the body of the message!
Let's do lunch!
>Yeah, some of that old Pat Travers stuff rocks.
>I saw Tommy Aldridge's video. I was laughing like crazy at it... he's
saying
>things like "Do this lick loud cuz you don't wanna look like some
kinda FAG
>or somethin'"
>He also insults librarians, and I think also faggy librarians, in the
video
>too.
>
>And, Tim... you transcribed that lick perfectly... bubbadubba SMACK!!
Ha!
he's a fucking joke...I was blown away by his video ....which i saw in
7th grade.....thought he was the shit....till q year later when my 1st
drum teacher put in Dave Weckl's vid and off I went.......
Bondo36980
>If what you just said doesn't take
>the cake as far as "Who is the most overated drummer", i don't know what
>does.
Amen brother!
Matthew Gaither
hsos...@pacbell.net wrote:
: "Buddy was the only drummer who ever lived who had the total command
: over the instrument necessary to play any musical idea that he wanted
: to."
C'mon Hyam,
You are making my point for me. Could you please try to control your
adulation of Buddy just a wee bit? If what you just said doesn't take
the cake as far as "Who is the most overated drummer", i don't know what
does.
-- -matt
Gaither Custom Drums gai...@sas.upenn.edu
1325 N. 5th Street, Studio 1D http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~gaither
Philadelphia, Pa. 19122
(215)235-4313
Mark Polis
"Joe Stockman" <nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> wrote:
¤Shawn Martin <spam...@navix.net> wrote in
¤> Try not to take it personally but, it is still rather weird that
you
¤> had not heard of him. Even though Buddy was technically a big
¤> band/jazz player, he was well known on the high school and college
¤> circuit playing for people that were not actually jazz fans. He
was
¤> on television all the time. I would recommend that you delve into
¤> other jazz players though, not just Buddy Rich. And please(by the
¤> love of god!) keep an open mind. Don't think of anyone in terms of
¤> "the best" or "the worst."
¤It's kind of hard not to take it personally when you are being
compared to
¤a 12 year old (I have nothing against 12 year olds) and being called
a
¤troll (I know you did not say these things but that's what got me
angry).
¤I was not aware of Buddy's high school and college circuit playing.
I am
¤afraid to ask what "circuit playing" even is. Being as he died in
1987
¤(and I'm sure I'll be corrected if the date is wrong), I wouldn't
have been
¤exposed to him anyway.
¤-Joe
Let's face it - we're expending a boatload of bandwidth discussing and
rehashing Joe's naivete about who Buddy Rich was and is.
Without purposefully wishing to participate in this therapy session
designed to assuage Joe's bruised ego by failing to know the name of
the World's Greatest Drummer, let me just say this:
it is usually recommended that when a *newbie* becomes interested in a
particular newsgroup that he/she *lurks* for a period of three to six
months in order to get a feel for the group and topics.
Joe, I suggest that if you had lurked for a while before posting, all
of this could have been avoided. It's just hard for folks in a drum
group to believe that someone in here never heard of Buddy Rich, eh?
Anyhow, get over it, and have fun here.
Mark
--
o-----«Ť Mark Polis Ť mjp...@csrlink.net Ť»-----o
Mark Karjaluoto
In article <3435ED9C...@rmi.net>, m...@rmi.net says...
>do these voters also realize that dennis chambers is a funk drummer?
>by camparison, chad would be fortunate to be allowed to cartage for
>dennis...
>all he does with the peppers is ape flea's bass line with his foot. big
>deal!
Before I get to my two cents, I'd just like to comment on the beauty of this
group! So much debate! I love it!
Anyhoo, back to Chad Smith. I certainly don't look upon him as some kind of
technical god. But I am impressed by his playing for for a couple of reasons. I
watched a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert on MuchMusic (Canadian Music Video
station) and I found him to maintain a very solid, punchy line throughout the
pieces. The icing on the cake for me was when they played Give it Away. After
the fourth chorus, they all started to get really soft, then lay down some
beautiful improv. Chad was totally soft, and played with fabulous finesse.
Then they progressively grew to about Mezzo Forte, chad threw in a sixteenth
note snare to tom to tom roll on beats 2,3,and 4, then just slammed the last
ten bars of the song. I just WISHED I could have been there!!!
I like his playing. Others don't though, and that's totally cool.
Mark
mik@NOSPAMOK?intergate.bc.ca
Mark Karjaluoto
In article <343B3A...@ix.netcom.com>, rsc...@ix.netcom.com says...
>How can ANY drummer not know who Buddy is? I guess if you are 12 years
>old or so it may be an excuse!!
I could see how someone wouldn't know. Very few people in my home town listened
to jazz. I was playing drums for about six years until I started to do any
serious research into who I was hearing, as well as the innovators with the
drum set. Everyone has their own little area of knowledge, which makes it easy
to be cut off from other perfectly valid subjects or people.
Mark
mik@NOSPAMOK?intergate.bc.ca
Babaloojnz
you will be blown away!!! get a different drummer... that was the first time i
heard him about a year before i started playing drums my pops had the album
(yes a real record with the snap crackle and pops.)had to get me a drumkit had
to!!! I have to say i really enjoy his seventies stuff the funky buddy rich as
i like to call him...
jay
Eivind Elnes
Joseph Blow wrote:
>
> Anyone want to let some steam off?
> I'll give y'all an opprotunity to do it. Who are the most overrated
> drummers, just so I won't dig how good someone can program a drum machine,
> or whatever the case.
> Best regards...
> --
> *Joseph Blow: Good samaritan and drummer by day,
> Crime-fighting super-hero in tights by night*
The most overrated drummer (and one of the most famous in the whole
world)
is RINGO STARR. The most lucky Drummer on the planet earth.
Michael Beck
I had a chance to talk to CP after his recent show in Michigan. He
was very gracious and took the time to answer questions and sign
autographs. Among other things, he told me that..
1. His steel drumset is now in Cleveland at the hall of fame.
2. He won't be doing any more clinics this year. He said he prefers
to play in a band vs. "making a living" with clinics.
3. ELP is working on a new album that'll be out next year.
4. He likes the Cooley snare most of all.
5. He will be playing old Gladstone drums in the future. He just
gave me a funny look when I asked him if he liked the Remo's.
6. His warm up is primarily stretching since his carpel tunnel
surgery.
His performance was very good IMHO. His speed is back to the 70's
level. He also has toned down his "overplaying" and sounds better
than ever.
NY WRITER
It's hard to believe that certain information isn't embedded into the
consciousness of musicians at large....however, someone who is, say, 15
presumably won't know as much as someone who is 35. The argument about not
knowing Buddy Rich could be construed in the above manner. Similarly, not
everyone knows how great the Beatles were. If one grew up listening to Marilyn
Manson, one wouldn't know that Manson stole his act from others who came
before. I'm not looking for pro Manson responses, I'm just using an example.
So, someone who grew up listening to Dave Grohl (Nirvana, Foo Fighter, etc.)
won't know as much as someone who grew up listening to Larry Mullen Jr. (U2)
or Stu Copeland (Police) and they won't know as much (musically, that is) as
someone who group up listening to Buddy Rich!
Shawn Martin
On Thu, 09 Oct 1997 15:19:30 GMT, mi...@mich.com (Michael Beck) wrote:
>I had a chance to talk to CP after his recent show in Michigan. He
>was very gracious and took the time to answer questions and sign
>autographs. Among other things, he told me that..
>
>1. His steel drumset is now in Cleveland at the hall of fame.
>2. He won't be doing any more clinics this year. He said he prefers
>to play in a band vs. "making a living" with clinics.
>3. ELP is working on a new album that'll be out next year.
>4. He likes the Cooley snare most of all.
>5. He will be playing old Gladstone drums in the future. He just
>gave me a funny look when I asked him if he liked the Remo's.
>6. His warm up is primarily stretching since his carpel tunnel
>surgery.
>
>His performance was very good IMHO. His speed is back to the 70's
>level. He also has toned down his "overplaying" and sounds better
>than ever.
Just a brief comment regarding Carl's playing Remo. I saw ELP during
the "Black Moon" tour. It wouldn't have mattered whether he was
playing Sonors or Sunlites, he had his drums so over-processed and
triggered it was pathetic. From what I've read, he had his toms lined
with foam rubber. On "Fanfare..." he triggered the floor toms to
sound like tympani, and on the rest of the tunes they just sounded
like cheap electronic pads. I don't know what his sound is like now,
but he desperately needs to go back to the days before he discovered
electronics.
Rimrunner
In article <19971009222...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
NY WRITER <nywr...@aol.com> wrote:
>It's hard to believe that certain information isn't embedded into the
> consciousness of musicians at large....however, someone who is, say, 15
> presumably won't know as much as someone who is 35. The argument about not
> knowing Buddy Rich could be construed in the above manner.
That's a good point, and one worth keeping in mind.
The main reason I know who Buddy Rich is, is because my first teacher was
a jazz drummer and probably around 80 years old. I'm 23 and play rock
drums (though I've also played jazz and orchestral percussion); I'm a jazz
fan mainly due to the influence of that first teacher. Otherwise, I might
never have sought out Max Roach, Elvin Jones, and Tony Williams (to name
just a few).
<flamebait>
Oh, and Marilyn Manson can bite me.
</flamebait>
Rimrunner
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In article <01bcd4b8$c2899a00$4727c7cd@El_Kabong.frsoft.com>, Joe
Stockman <nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> writes
>Mark Polis <mjp...@csrlink.net> wrote in article
><61h08m$9hn$1...@pigpen.csrlink.net>...
>> Let's face it - we're expending a boatload of bandwidth discussing and
>> rehashing Joe's naivete about who Buddy Rich was and is.
>> Without purposefully wishing to participate in this therapy session
>> designed to assuage Joe's bruised ego by failing to know the name of
>> the World's Greatest Drummer, let me just say this:
>> it is usually recommended that when a *newbie* becomes interested in a
>> particular newsgroup that he/she *lurks* for a period of three to six
>> months in order to get a feel for the group and topics.
>>
>> Joe, I suggest that if you had lurked for a while before posting, all
>> of this could have been avoided. It's just hard for folks in a drum
>> group to believe that someone in here never heard of Buddy Rich, eh?
>> Anyhow, get over it, and have fun here.
might miss out if one were to 'lurk' for too long - what if there is a
burning question of relevance you just had to ask?
>
>Again, do I have to keep repeating myself? Here is a quote of mine from
>10/6/97:
>
>I am trying to use this newsgroup to expand my drum knowledge. I have
>learned a lot in the 9+ months since I've been here. I plan on learning
>more. I thank everyone who has contributed and supported me in this "Buddy
>Battle". I will bet a million dollars that no one here was born with the
>knowledge that Buddy Rich exists. Everyone has to learn it from somewhere,
>I just happened to learn it here!!!
Exactly. It is ridiculous to have an argument that centres around the
subject 'You havn't heard of Buddy Rich'... Now he has and, like he
said, he just happened to learn it here, and, like he said, he joined
the group to learn, so it is serving its purpose. How many people on
this group joined it with the belief that they wouldn't learn anything?
If so, why? If not, would you expect us all to make a song and dance if
you learned something here first? No, because sharing knowledge is
exactly what this group is for. Give the guy a break.
--
Ned
Joe Stockman
Who is Ringo Starr? I never heard of him before!!!
I am kidding about not knowing who Ringo is. I would have to agree with
you about him not being overrated. No one ever says "Ringo is a kick ass
drummer!!!" At first, I was gonna reply how I agreed with Ringo not being
a "good" drummer. This was purely on a technical level (not doing crazy
tom fills or double-bass fills). But the more I thought about it, I saw
how he really fits in with what the Beatles play. He is definitley not
"lucky" as the one guy stated, but rather a good choice for the band. He
was the first Beatle I ever heard of.
I am by no means a Beatles expert, but with the songs I heard, I think he
plays the part of drummer very well. Pete Sandoval is a good drummer as
well, but he would not fit with the Beatles (although it would be fun to
watch)!!!
-Joe
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P.S. I didn't know his real name was Richard Starkey though.
Greg Bengston <gbb...@psu.edu> wrote
> Eivind Elnes wrote:
> > The most overrated drummer (and one of the most famous in the whole
> > world)
> > is RINGO STARR. The most lucky Drummer on the planet earth.
>
> Oh, man...I hope you don't really mean that! Ringo is VERY inventive in
> his drum parts for each song. Ringo's technique is nowhere near many
> other drummers out there but his parts are perfect for each song. His
> drumming has so much 'feeling.' You don't have to play a thousand fills
> in each song like Peart to be a great drummer. It's all about the song
> and how you hold it together and push it forward/hold it back. Ringo
> was just as important to the Beatles as any other member was.
Mark Polis
"Joe Stockman" <nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> wrote:
¤Who is Ringo Starr? I never heard of him before!!!
¤-Joe
I TOLD you that you should have lurked first, didn't I?
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{ @ @ }
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Joe Stockman
Mark Polis <mjp...@csrlink.net> prematurely wrote:
> "Joe Stockman" <nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> wrote:
> ¤Who is Ringo Starr? I never heard of him before!!!
<Mark forgot to mention that he snipped a huge chunk here>
> ¤-Joe
>
>
> I TOLD you that you should have lurked first, didn't I?
Mark,
Try not and take my comments out of context next time. For those of you
who did not see my entire post, I have it below. It is obvious to every
human that this is a joke, that my not knowing who Ringo Starr is was an
attempt at humor due to the previous Buddy Rich series of posts. I thought
everyone would see my comment about not knowing who Ringo is, AND READ THE
REST OF THE POST. If you read the ENTIRE POST, you can clearly see that I
know who Ringo is and give my opinion on his abilities. C'mon now, lighten
up Mark!!!
And what is your obsession with lurking? Why can't someone contribute
immediately if they have something to say. I think I made my first posts
within the first few days of using this group (about 9 or 10 months ago).
-Joe
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I apologize for wasting bandwidth by reposting but find in necessary to
defend myself against this obvious attempt at a flame war.
---REPOSTED from 10/10/97 01:15 PM ---
"Joe Stockman" <nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> wrote:
Who is Ringo Starr? I never heard of him before!!!
I am kidding about not knowing who Ringo is. I would have to agree with
you about him not being overrated. No one ever says "Ringo is a kick ass
drummer!!!" At first, I was gonna reply how I agreed with Ringo not being
a "good" drummer. This was purely on a technical level (not doing crazy
tom fills or double-bass fills). But the more I thought about it, I saw
how he really fits in with what the Beatles play. He is definitely not
"lucky" as the one guy stated, but rather a good choice for the band. He
was the first Beatle I ever heard of.
I am by no means a Beatles expert, but with the songs I heard, I think he
plays the part of drummer very well. Pete Sandoval is a good drummer as
well, but he would not fit with the Beatles (although it would be fun to
watch)!!!
Joe
pe...@lehigh.edu
><m...@NOSPAMintergate.bc.ca> writes
>>In article <3435ED9C...@rmi.net>, m...@rmi.net says...
>>
>>>do these voters also realize that dennis chambers is a funk drummer?
>>>by camparison, chad would be fortunate to be allowed to cartage for
>>>dennis...
>>>all he does with the peppers is ape flea's bass line with his foot. big
>>deal!
>>
>>Before I get to my two cents, I'd just like to comment on the beauty of this
>>group! So much debate! I love it!
>>
me too!
>>Anyhoo, back to Chad Smith. I certainly don't look upon him as some kind of
>>technical god. But I am impressed by his playing for for a couple of reasons.
I
(bit deleted about canadian televised peppers' concert)
>>
>>I like his playing. Others don't though, and that's totally cool.
>Chad is a drummer who can just lay down a groove so well and with such
>power, but he has subtlety as well and, more importantly, knows when to
>use either. Its rare that you get someone that just ROCKS so much nad
>yet has this capacity for finesse.
>-- >Ned
>
...not to change the subject, but I just gotta say first that
that's one of the reasons Jimmy Chamberlin is/was my all time favorte rock
drummer.
I'm not a huge fan of the chilli peppers, but I do like Smith's playing
from what I've heard -especially on Blood sugar sex magic. What I like
about Chad smith is that he fits the band perfectly. -musically and
otherwise. I know this is such a f'ing cliche, but even though his
playing is simple, it really gooves and Chad plays totally for the song,
IMO.
later,
-pHIL
Philip Guidi (pe...@lehigh.edu)
Lehigh University, Bethlehem Pa.
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ProfBonz
Those thinking Ringo is overrated haven't seen Gregg Bissonette in clinic
recently. About half of his clinic is about how great Ringo is. Gregg thinks
Ringo is great! I like that Ringo guy a lot, myself, as well.
Brian Stephens
Freelance Drummer/Percussionist
Author/Educator - Atlanta Institute of Music, Teaching Faculty
Email: Prof...@aol.com
Website: http://members.aol.com/profbonz
Blac...@msn.com
In article <01bcd5a0$2918b520$4727c7cd@El_Kabong.frsoft.com>,
"Joe Stockman" <nospamj...@frsoft.comnospam> wrote:
>
> Who is Ringo Starr? I never heard of him before!!!
>
> I am kidding about not knowing who Ringo is. I would have to agree with
> you about him not being overrated. No one ever says "Ringo is a kick ass
> drummer!!!"
Only because I don't use the experssion "kick ass." Substitue the word
amazing or fantastic and I'd prove you wrong right there.
For years he was my favorite drummer because of his work with the
Beatles, but when Yoko's Plastic Ono Band album was reissued I was
staggered by his playing. If you haven't heard this album, you don't know
what he's capable of doing. Also, compare the version of Don't Worry
Kyoko that he plays on with the live one where Alan White plays drums.
Ringo has a real feeling for the music and moves the song along where
White simply supplies a backbeat. (though that may be due to a lack of
rehearsal on the live version)
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Dennis Baecker
Hi Leute!
Joseph (home...@nbnet.nb.ca) am 01.10.97 um 02:47:
> Anyone want to let some steam off?
> I'll give y'all an opprotunity to do it. Who are the most overrated
> drummers, just so I won't dig how good someone can program a drum machine,
> or whatever the case.
The most overrated drummer of all time who ever was and ever will be:
Lars Ulrich
so long...
Dennis
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In article <6fivE...@flash8.flash.fantec.com> Dennis Baecker,
lu...@flash.fantec.com writes:
>The most overrated drummer of all time who ever was and ever will be:
>
>Lars Ulrich
I disagree...forget the early speed metal double bass stuff...listen
to the last 2 albums (you know, the ģsell-outē ones)...he grooves...
and he does some interesting stuff.
Pat McDonald
Jeffrey Kirby wrote:
> Peter Erskine. He shouldn't be the drummer on the John Taylor Trio albums
> (sold under the name Peter Erskine Trio) - it should be either Jon
> Christensen or Jack DeJohnette. Erskine manages to take what could be
> great albums and make them mediocre with his lack of musicality and lousy
> feel.
I honestly thought this was a joke until I read further. ERSKINE?
lacking MUSICALITY? Lacking FEEL? I haven't heard this particular
record but I can't imagine you're hearing the same Peter Erskine
*I've* listened to for so many years. I can't honestly fathom how
someone could hear him play ANYTHING and not be amazed at his maturity,
musicality and taste. I think you may have inadvertantly made yourself
MAJOR flame bait!
> And I don't like the sound of his drums, either. Examples: Kenny
> Wheeler "Widow in the Window" (for a comparison check out Wheeler's
> "Double, Double You" with the same group except DeJohnette on drums and
> Mike Brecker is on sax instead of John Abercrombie on guitar; a
> non-drummer control album would be Wheeler's "Angel Song"), and Erskine's
> "You Never Know" and "Time Being." Ugh. Those albums would be completely
> lost without Taylor.
>
Everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion, but you are the first
drummer I've ever heard speak poorly of Erskine. I'm not a total
Erskine freak like some of these "Buddy" guys who hang out here. (You
know the type-"Buddy could take a shit in the New York Subway and it
would be the BEST shit any human being has ever taken!") I have a few
records with him on them and love everything he's done. I think the guy
is one of our few modern drumset masters. Amazing how people's tastes
vary.......
Jeffrey Kirby
: Joseph Blow wrote:
: > I'll give y'all an opprotunity to do it. Who are the most overrated
: > drummers, just so I won't dig how good someone can program a drum machine,
: > or whatever the case.
Peter Erskine. He shouldn't be the drummer on the John Taylor Trio albums
(sold under the name Peter Erskine Trio) - it should be either Jon
Christensen or Jack DeJohnette. Erskine manages to take what could be
great albums and make them mediocre with his lack of musicality and lousy
feel. And I don't like the sound of his drums, either. Examples: Kenny
Wheeler "Widow in the Window" (for a comparison check out Wheeler's
"Double, Double You" with the same group except DeJohnette on drums and
Mike Brecker is on sax instead of John Abercrombie on guitar; a
non-drummer control album would be Wheeler's "Angel Song"), and Erskine's
"You Never Know" and "Time Being." Ugh. Those albums would be completely
lost without Taylor.
-j
----------------------------- -----
Jeffrey A. Kirby jak...@ucdavis.edu
ProfBonz
Oh man Jeff,
How can I put this in a way that shows intelligence, eloquence, and compassion:
You are a MORON! Granted, I have heard some of my favorite drummers do
passable jobs on records before, but have never heard anyone that's the
caliber of Pete present the horrible display that you are tagging him with.
From knowing Pete and having discussed things of the nature with him (and other
"name" players as well) and from being in similar situations myself, some
sessions just aren't 'hitting' for one reason or another. It might be lack of
chemestry in the line-up (or part of it anyway), a real melancoly feel toward
the tunes themselves, or any other additive to the equation. But to say that
Pete is overrated because of how you feel about his playing on ONE record
would be to negate the enormous body of work that he has been apart of over
the past 25 or so years. You would have to throw out all the great music he
created with Weather Report, the Breckers, Chic Corea, Stanley Jordan, the
great work with Steely Dan's reunion tour (check out that live disk!), and all
the great stuff he's composed (not to mention all the things I haven't
mentioned, including that really cool Dunkin' Donuts commercial he played on).
This guy is the epitome of feel and musicality to me, not to mention the fact
that he's a damn nice fella!
You're very right on one point. He's not Jack DeJohnette. But he's also not
Steve Gadd, Tony Williams, Vinnie Colaiuta, Elvin Jones, or Kenny Aronoff, for
that matter. But those guys aren't HIM either!! The beauty of each of these
guys (or any of the "greats") is in their differences - their own personal
stamp on the music they play. *It's called a VOICE, go look it up.*
My question would be, "How much of Peter have you really heard?" I would hope
you could say "most everything" because if you can't then your statement is
unfounded, uneducated, and just plain wrong.
If you're this troubled with his performance on this record, maybe you should
talk to him about it. I'd LOVE to give you HIS email address.
From one that is both a fan and a friend,
Shawn Martin
On 15 Oct 1997 00:28:46 GMT, ez04...@dilbert.ucdavis.edu (Jeffrey
Kirby) wrote:
>: Joseph Blow wrote:
>: > I'll give y'all an opprotunity to do it. Who are the most overrated
>: > drummers, just so I won't dig how good someone can program a drum machine,
>: > or whatever the case.
>
>Peter Erskine. He shouldn't be the drummer on the John Taylor Trio albums
>(sold under the name Peter Erskine Trio) - it should be either Jon
>Christensen or Jack DeJohnette. Erskine manages to take what could be
>great albums and make them mediocre with his lack of musicality and lousy
>feel.
My god, this is the first time I have been left speechless.
Shawn Martin (reply address despammed, to reply change hsarc to crash)
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Mark Polis
prof...@aol.com (ProfBonz) wrote:
¤Oh man Jeff,
¤How can I put this in a way that shows intelligence, eloquence, and
compassion:
¤ You are a MORON!
>SNIP<
¤Brian Stephens
¤Freelance Drummer/Percussionist
¤Author/Educator - Atlanta Institute of Music, Teaching Faculty
Let me second that. A coupla years back I was chatting with Grady
Tate at the Blue Note in NYC - he asked me who some of my favorite
drummers were. I first named Peter Erskine, and Grady's face lit up
and he said, "Oh, yeah - he's a monster".
Erskine is one of the most musically learned and eloquent and
inspiring drummer/educator/clinicians out there. He is extremely
versatile and has comfortable technical mastery over the drumkit. He
uses such varied spectrums of colors when he plays, and few can touch
his cymbal technique - the Erskine ride is legend. His use of subtle
to brilliant dynamics and phrasing are outstanding. Beginning with his
driving the Stan Kenton band when he was 17 years old through the
impressive discography he has earned to the highly evolved music he is
now playing and composing, Erskine has an unshakable place in drum
history.
Get a clue, Jeff. Peter Erskine is certainly not overrated - au
contraire, he deserves all of the many accolades he receives, and
more.
--
o-----« Mark Polis mjp...@csrlink.net »-----o
Ned Potter
In article <344423...@ix.netcom.com>, Pat McDonald
<patd...@ix.netcom.com> writes
>Jeffrey Kirby wrote:
>
>> Peter Erskine. He shouldn't be the drummer on the John Taylor Trio albums
>> (sold under the name Peter Erskine Trio) - it should be either Jon
>> Christensen or Jack DeJohnette. Erskine manages to take what could be
>> great albums and make them mediocre with his lack of musicality and lousy
>> feel.
>
>
>lacking MUSICALITY? Lacking FEEL? I haven't heard this particular
>record but I can't imagine you're hearing the same Peter Erskine
>*I've* listened to for so many years. I can't honestly fathom how
>someone could hear him play ANYTHING and not be amazed at his maturity,
>musicality and taste. I think you may have inadvertantly made yourself
>MAJOR flame bait!
I have heard Erskine trio records and they are fantasticly sophisticated
drumming wise, and also superb compositionally (Erskine writes great
pieces). I think that, while we could argue the merits and de-merits of
almost any drummer on this group, to say that Erskine lacks musicality
and feel exposes your ignorance as a drummer. It is almost impossible to
arrive at your conclusions if you have actually listened to him play.
--
Ned
>> And I don't like the sound of his drums, either. Examples: Kenny
>> Wheeler "Widow in the Window" (for a comparison check out Wheeler's
>> "Double, Double You" with the same group except DeJohnette on drums and
>> Mike Brecker is on sax instead of John Abercrombie on guitar; a
>> non-drummer control album would be Wheeler's "Angel Song"), and Erskine's
>> "You Never Know" and "Time Being." Ugh. Those albums would be completely
>> lost without Taylor.
>>
>
Aaron Cushing
so I'm going to school here in Fredericton, wondering if there's a
"scene" here in town for an experienced drummer to meet other musicians,
do some jamming or casual playing...
Aaron Cushing
rim...@worldnet.att.net
Jeffrey Kirby wrote:
>
> : Joseph Blow wrote:
> : > I'll give y'all an opprotunity to do it. Who are the most overrated
> : > drummers, just so I won't dig how good someone can program a drum machine,
> : > or whatever the case.
>
> (sold under the name Peter Erskine Trio) - it should be either Jon
> Christensen or Jack DeJohnette. Erskine manages to take what could be
> great albums and make them mediocre with his lack of musicality and lousy
> Wheeler "Widow in the Window" (for a comparison check out Wheeler's
> "Double, Double You" with the same group except DeJohnette on drums and
> Mike Brecker is on sax instead of John Abercrombie on guitar; a
> non-drummer control album would be Wheeler's "Angel Song"), and Erskine's
> "You Never Know" and "Time Being." Ugh. Those albums would be completely
> lost without Taylor.
>
Unbelievable...Completely Unbelievable.
You must be hanging around some of those radical trouble makers on the
left coast.
John
Jeffrey Kirby
Ah, everytime I post when I'm tired I kinda regret it later.
First off, I will say that I took the extreme in my opinion to pull out
whatever arguments against me there were. Second, I'd like to note that I
use a different criticism scale for different levels of players (e.g. I
may state that some drummer I see in a local band is pretty good and turn
around and say Roy Haynes sucks - it's a relative scale, not absolute).
Granted those conditions I will still say I think Erskine is overrated. In
my case, this is because I have never heard a bad thing said about his
playing (and I think there are bad things to say about his playing), and
it's mainly for this reason that I posted at all. Incidentally, just
because he's a nice guy doesn't mean he shouldn't be criticized.
I recognize Erskine's technical ability (yes, I agree I'd be a moron if I
didn't). His musicality is to some extent evident as well. The reason I
attacked that is because every time I listen to one of the albums I have
with him on (which I will admit is only a few, and I think all on ECM) I
get annoyed by his playing. He has this tendency to play something really
weak in spots that need something really strong and play rhythms that
don't fit in (even as a counterline) with the other players (I'm not
stating he always does this, I'm saying he does it often enough to make me
not want to listen to him). This is why I say his musicality is evident to
some extent (i.e. it's there, I'm just working on that relative scale
again).
Now that I've clarified my position a little, I'd prefer arguments against
me that include specific albums to check out rather than simple flames
trying to light my hair on fire. And yes, I'm going back to the albums I
have and relistening.
Mike Cassells
In article <62askh$9bt$1...@mark.ucdavis.edu>, ez04...@dilbert.ucdavis.edu
(Jeffrey Kirby) wrote:
> I recognize Erskine's technical ability (yes, I agree I'd be a moron if I
> didn't). His musicality is to some extent evident as well. The reason I
> attacked that is because every time I listen to one of the albums I have
> with him on (which I will admit is only a few, and I think all on ECM) I
> get annoyed by his playing. He has this tendency to play something really
> weak in spots that need something really strong and play rhythms that
> don't fit in (even as a counterline) with the other players (I'm not
> stating he always does this, I'm saying he does it often enough to make me
> not want to listen to him). This is why I say his musicality is evident to
> some extent (i.e. it's there, I'm just working on that relative scale
> again).
Jeffrey,
Everyone is, of course, entitled to their own opinion and music is such a
subjective thing.
So I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong, or crazy or anything.
I have the K. Wheeler records you were refering to and I think Peter plays
very, very well on WITW.
You're right, he's not Jack DeJohnette. But then, we don't need another Jack.
If you haven't already, check out Kenny's 'Music For Large and Small
Ensembles' to hear some more of Peter's incredible gift.
As an aside, I've toured and recorded with Kenny Wheeler and I asked him
about Peter. He really likes his playing and when it comes right down to
it, as long as you make the boss happy the rest is gravy.
He also mentioned that Jack was supposed to be on 'Angel Song' but a
scheduling conflict prevented it. Strangely enough, it's my favorite Kenny
disc. Go figure?
Mike
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David Braun
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>> > The most overrated drummer (and one of the most famous in the whole
>> > world)
>> > is RINGO STARR. The most lucky Drummer on the planet earth.
>
>lack of in yer face technique. I don't think Ringo could be over-rated.
>He's still under-rated. If one doesn't get Ringo, he doesn't understand
>the idea of getting the song over; he needs to listen to Ringo's part in
>'Ticket to Ride' over and over until you hear why he's great. He's not
>even my favorite, but I had to defend Mr. Starkey.
>
>--
>Thanks,
>Fraser Stowe
>fra...@themonkeyhouse.com
Yes. Underrated. He isn't a can-basher, and doesn't feel the need to
cram in overdone riffs when something simple is called for. To me,
this is the mark of a good musician.
David Braun brau...@hooked.net
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hsos...@pacbell.net
Oeandrr wrote:
>
> I always hear how great Steve Gadd is, I'm still looking for something great
> from him. He is very good.
"50 Ways To Leave Your Lover" by Paul Simon. 'Nuff said.
Oeandrr
ProfBonz
Check out the title track from Steely Dan's "Aja" album. That was his second
run through the tune (1st run-through was to sight read the chart done). Any
of the old Paul Simon stuff is good (and check out his acting in the Paul
Simon movie, "One Trick Pony"). His work on Chick Corea's albums "The
Leprechun" and "Friends" is surburb. Lots of incredible moments there. For
something more recent, check out Joe Sample's "Did You Feel That?" record.
This is Steve in the pocket like noboby else!
Gadd has played on so many records that it would be impossible to list them all
(I even have an old BeeGees record that he played on - on VINYL!!) , but maybe
that can get you started.
Sincerely,
Brian Stephens
Freelance Drummer/Percussionist
Author/Educator - Atlanta Institute of Music, Teaching Faculty
Steve Klekas
Try "The Leprechaun" Chick Corea. The first time I heard "Night Sprite" it blew
me away; still does. And don't forget to look at when this album was recorded.
Gadd was one of the first, and IMO the best, to play this much drums this well.
Jason Blanton
Nice to hear Stanley Clarke mentioned. He is THE Man on Bass. Just thought
I'd throw that in.
Jason
Timothy Gillespie wrote in message <199711050...@zetnet.co.uk>...
>Regarding Steve Gadd: Stanley Clarke's track "Silly Putty" is tops.
>
>
>--
>Tim
>Not all drumers are thick.
>
Let's do lunch!
>>--
>>Tim
>>Not all drumers are thick.
>>
>
>
Not all drummers can spell "drummers"
are you a dumber?
Timothy Gillespie
The message <646h9d$a...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>
from wing...@ix.netcom.com (Let's do lunch!) contains these words:
How many have I caught out with this one?
Unfortunately, irony does not seem to travel West very well.