Poll: Do you find Micheal Fell's "My Supraphonic/I hate Ronn Dunnet and his drums" posts humorous or interesting? yes or no?
George Lawrence
contributing so much to this forum?
If no, then if we could actually fine RMMP posters for wasting our time and
insulting our intelligence and sense of humor, how and/or how much should we
fine him?
I vote no and think his punishment should be never being able to mention or
refer to Supraphonics or Dunnett in this group again which of course means
he would be silent.
Inquisitive minds want to know. I'm obviously bored and have nothing better
to do than pick on Fell..
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
2091 Front Street
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 44221
website http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
email geo...@georgesdrumshop.com
330 940 DRUM (3786)
toll free 866 970 0800
fax 330 940 3785
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Doug Crooks
> If yes, how should we reward this man for being so funny and so creative and
> contributing so much to this forum?
> If no, then if we could actually fine RMMP posters for wasting our time and
> insulting our intelligence and sense of humor, how and/or how much should we
> fine him?
>
> I vote no and think his punishment should be never being able to mention or
> refer to Supraphonics or Dunnett in this group again which of course means
> he would be silent.
>
> Inquisitive minds want to know. I'm obviously bored and have nothing better
> to do than pick on Fell..
George,
Personally, it got old for me REAL quick. My "reward" for him was to
kill file him. I figure when he posts interesting stuff enough people
reply that I read it, but when he posts his anti-Dunnett rhetoric, I
never see the junk.
--
doug
Aaron Draper
my favorite drum, and the best $125 I ever spent. And his personal beef
with Dunnett is just another soap opera that makes RMMP interesting to me.
And I think sometimes he's hilarious. The scratched record post was funny.
The same goes for you too, George, you've given me some good laughs over the
years. Fell has been posting on topic, BTW. He's posted recently about
both his Gretsches and selling his Rogers kit, IIRC.
But here's why I read Fell's posts. And yours, too. It's not to garner
vast drum knowledge, although sometimes that happens by accident. The
Fell/Dunnett, Schuh/Nospam, Denniston/DDSD, Polis/jmt, etc. battles that
crop up now and again are my personal entertainment (except the rare times
when it goes over the line). I like you George, but you're not speaking for
me on this one. Don't read Fell's posts if you don't like them. Mark me
down as a yes, I suspect I am either alone or in the minority once again,
and I don't give a shite.
IMHO, of course. And, I'd like those flames with a side of mayo, please.
....Aaron
"George Lawrence" <drum...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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Fell is as entiteled to his opinions as you are you are to yours!@
I just happen to think Dunnet Drums are some of the nicest drums
around, Ronn is a s tandup guy, but I just personally could not pay for
one of his drums, not because I do not have the bread for one, but
because I can make just about any snare drum sound just about as good
on any given day.
A well made drum is important, mainly for lsting effect and for the
ability to hold the tune a long time without constant screwing for a
sound.
But Fell has as much right to his regard for the Supra as you do
Dunnett!
Maybe we need a poll to make those who post blatent advertisements for
thier drums shops in RMMP to pay us for wasting bandwidth? its called
SPAM-ya know?
Think about it!
its easy to post something while bored that makes you look like an ass.
DDSD
Trevor Magnusson
ass.
>DDSD
Dennis, please tell me you wrote that line with irony in mind.
Robert Schuh
and his pathetic attacks on Ronn and Greg Nickel. Fell is a sad fuck,
much like Lardo. He is not a musician, not intelligent and should
basically stick to what he knows best, manual labor.
--
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche
Mark Rance
"Robert Schuh" <r...@robschuh.com> wrote in message
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I think Dunnett deserves every hit from Fell he has gotten. He is a
condescending know-it-all
and I, personally, hate his politics. His drums don't overly impress me,
either.
-Mark
Donn Deniston
matter to me, I have my own, thank you. And I doubt that Ronn is losing any
sleep over Michael's rants. . .he's too busy making snare drums.
Missed you at the show George. . .damn.
"George Lawrence" <drum...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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Glenn Dowdy
"Doug Crooks" <perc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Same here.
Glenn D.
jkdr...@yahoo.com
The Dunnett is used far more than the Supra.
Comparing a Dunnett to a Supra is like comparing a Rolex to a Timex.
As matter of fact, look for the Supra on Ebay soon.
JaKe
jmt
Oh my Darwin, I have Apeambivalence. I do think Mike's post are
funny W h e n he is obviously just trying to yank RD's leash and go on
and on and on(and on and on)about his goddam Supra.(The Perseveration in
and of itself is hilarious to me.) Up to a point, I think his comments
about the Ludwig's versatility and quality are correct. When he starts
getting pissed and talking about lawsuits and ape-abusers and making
remarks that are intentionally insulting to RD's intellect and craft, it
becomes mean and tiresome and I've called him on it. I Do know that
Mike is a good ape, and a generous and thoughtful individual.
Everybody's Somebody's Fell;
jmt
--
God is a comedian playing to an audience that is afraid to laugh.
Voltaire
jmt
You mentioned, "His drums don't overly impress me,
either".
That's odd, Ewe were certainly trying rather diligently to
acquire Mine, before I swapped it to Geo.
Temporary Inanity?;
jmt
Mark Rance wrote:
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Steve Turner
> If yes, how should we reward this man for being so funny and so creative and
> contributing so much to this forum?
> If no, then if we could actually fine RMMP posters for wasting our time and
> insulting our intelligence and sense of humor, how and/or how much should we
> fine him?
>
> I vote no and think his punishment should be never being able to mention or
> refer to Supraphonics or Dunnett in this group again which of course means
> he would be silent.
>
> Inquisitive minds want to know. I'm obviously bored and have nothing better
> to do than pick on Fell..
To bluntly answer the question posed in the subject line: No, I do not
find those posts humorous or interesting. Initially I did, as a
newcomer a couple of years ago, but after about the first dozen times
I'm like "Ok Mike, give it a rest", then "GEEZ, how long is he gonna go
on with these same old responses?", until finally (after about 6 months)
I'm saying "For the love of GOD, will you shut up about the Supraphonics
and the exploding Nickel throws, already!!!"
It disappoints me to feel this way, because I like Mike. He's honest,
well-spoken, intelligent, humorous (sometimes), and seemingly of decent
moral character. He also appears to know quite a bit about drums, and
we both share very similar tastes in music. I hate seeing an otherwise
good guy get yelled at, belittled, and killfiled because he unable to
let go of some INCREDIBLY ANNOYING obsession. Same goes for Rob and his
"anonymous coward", "crack-smoking eBayers", and "shitty old 1950's
jazz" tirades.
--
Free bad advice available here.
To reply, change the chemical designation to its common name.
Sam Savoca
"jmt" <j...@shawneelink.net> wrote in message
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> Dear Geo;
> Oh my Darwin, I have Apeambivalence. I do think Mike's post are
> funny W h e n he is obviously just trying to yank RD's leash and go on
> and on and on(and on and on)about his goddam Supra.(The Perseveration in
> and of itself is hilarious to me.) Up to a point, I think his comments
> about the Ludwig's versatility and quality are correct. When he starts
> getting pissed and talking about lawsuits and ape-abusers and making
> remarks that are intentionally insulting to RD's intellect and craft, it
> becomes mean and tiresome and I've called him on it. I Do know that
> Mike is a good ape, and a generous and thoughtful individual.
> Everybody's Somebody's Fell;
> jmt
I don't care one way or the other. It doesn't hit my radar screen.
Sam S.
mf2112...@yahoo.com
wrote:
>George Lawrence wrote:
>> If yes, how should we reward this man for being so funny and so creative and
>> contributing so much to this forum?
>> If no, then if we could actually fine RMMP posters for wasting our time and
>> insulting our intelligence and sense of humor, how and/or how much should we
>> fine him?
>>
>> I vote no and think his punishment should be never being able to mention or
>> refer to Supraphonics or Dunnett in this group again which of course means
>> he would be silent.
How about we discuss the drumming talents of say Chuck Burgi, Kenwood
Dennard, Mike Clarke,Frank Katz and Phil Collins within the musical
context of the group Brand X for which all of these gentleman have
participated.
Maybe you can shed some light on Tony's performance on the "Four and
more" album. I find it to be very interesting myself. Love his ride
sound on that as well.
Also, I thought your NAMM report was a bunch of useless hogwash hence
my humorous response. Most players could careless about Joe blows
swiveling multi piece throw off or some potentially rattling
adjustable vent on a snare drum gimmick.:-) Gee Gretsch has more
colors or Fives makes good stuff. Thanks for that useful info George.
>>
>> Inquisitive minds want to know. I'm obviously bored and have nothing better
>> to do than pick on Fell..
Pick away my friend.
Oh and I vote Yes. :-)
Regards
Mike
Glenn Dowdy
<mf2112NOSPAM*@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Also, I thought your NAMM report was a bunch of useless hogwash hence
> my humorous response. Most players could careless about Joe blows
> swiveling multi piece throw off or some potentially rattling
> adjustable vent on a snare drum gimmick.:-) Gee Gretsch has more
> colors or Fives makes good stuff. Thanks for that useful info George.
>
Folks go to New Hardware shows to look at new hardware. Going to a new
hardware show with the purpose of engaging all in philosophical discussions
about players, past and present, is like going to a gentleman's club with
the sole intent of engaging a member of the opposite sex in a deep
conversation about "feelings".
Glenn D.
Dan Radin
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> better
> to do than pick on Fell..
I think his endless Dunnett/Supraphonic diatribe is whiny and annoying, but
on the other hand, he did turn me onto Jellyfish's Spilt Milk, so the dude
can't be all bad.
mf2112...@yahoo.com
<baileyscome...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>I happen to agree with Mike as far as the Supraphonic is concerned. It is
>my favorite drum, and the best $125 I ever spent.
Wow great deal on that drum. Congrats.
> And his personal beef
>with Dunnett is just another soap opera that makes RMMP interesting to me.
>And I think sometimes he's hilarious. The scratched record post was funny.
>The same goes for you too, George, you've given me some good laughs over the
>years.
Please provide proof of this Aaron. :-) To me the Grim reaper is
funnier than George.:-) No offense to the Grim reaper.
> Fell has been posting on topic, BTW. He's posted recently about
>both his Gretsches and selling his Rogers kit, IIRC.
>
>But here's why I read Fell's posts. And yours, too. It's not to garner
>vast drum knowledge, although sometimes that happens by accident. The
>Fell/Dunnett, Schuh/Nospam, Denniston/DDSD, Polis/jmt, etc. battles that
>crop up now and again are my personal entertainment (except the rare times
>when it goes over the line). I like you George, but you're not speaking for
>me on this one. Don't read Fell's posts if you don't like them. Mark me
>down as a yes, I suspect I am either alone or in the minority once again,
>and I don't give a shite.
>
>IMHO, of course. And, I'd like those flames with a side of mayo, please.
>
>....Aaron
In my weeping Ralph Cramden impersonation: Thanks Aaron, you are one
of the good one's.:-) Bang zoom!
Regards
Mike
George Lawrence
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George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
2091 Front Street
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 44221
website http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
email geo...@georgesdrumshop.com
330 940 DRUM (3786)
toll free 866 970 0800
fax 330 940 3785
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
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George Lawrence
NAMM (as usually happens here around NAMM time) and I've had twenty
something emails in reply to that post so it is definitely on topic and
useful to this newsgroup about DRUMS, you funny asshole. You can go blow
yourself, Fell. I actually don't have anyone killfiled at this moment. I
suggest you killfile me if you find me useless and humorless. The reason you
don't find me to have a sense of humor is because I quit laughing at your
same old lines. It gets old to hear someone say the same shit over and over.
Your wife must be going bananas at the monotony! :-)
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
2091 Front Street
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 44221
website http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
email geo...@georgesdrumshop.com
330 940 DRUM (3786)
toll free 866 970 0800
fax 330 940 3785
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
<mf2112NOSPAM*@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Donn Deniston
travels through the drum area were spotty at best. Oddly enough, on
Thursday night we we're seated right next to the Taye dinner at a Mexican
resturant so I thought you might show up there.
There's always Indianapolis in July. . .gulp!
"George Lawrence" <drum...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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ran late. I never made it out of the drum area all weekend long.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
2091 Front Street
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 44221
website http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
email geo...@georgesdrumshop.com
330 940 DRUM (3786)
toll free 866 970 0800
fax 330 940 3785
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
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George Lawrence
insturment. Pianos and bassoonists have it worse! I had a brass Keystone
Supra walk into day that I hope to buy from the customer. Should I ask Fell
what he thinks? :-)
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
2091 Front Street
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 44221
website http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
email geo...@georgesdrumshop.com
330 940 DRUM (3786)
toll free 866 970 0800
fax 330 940 3785
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
<DJ Bjorklund> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:54:37 GMT, "George Lawrence"
> <drum...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> >If yes, how should we reward this man for being so funny and so creative
and
> >contributing so much to this forum?
> >If no, then if we could actually fine RMMP posters for wasting our time
and
> >insulting our intelligence and sense of humor, how and/or how much should
we
> >fine him?
> >
> >I vote no and think his punishment should be never being able to mention
or
> >refer to Supraphonics or Dunnett in this group again which of course
means
> >he would be silent.
> >
> >Inquisitive minds want to know. I'm obviously bored and have nothing
better
> >to do than pick on Fell..
>
> I'll say that appreciate his passion on both subjects George.
> IMHO, in reference to the majority of us, arguing against the
> practicality of owning a $900 snare drum, is not exactly devoid of
> merit, or logic.
>
> You asked.
Doug Crooks
> I personally don't think $900 is a lot to spend on a custom built pro
> insturment. Pianos and bassoonists have it worse!
No kidding: ask the concert mistress of a symphony how much they payed
for their violin. As a band teacher, I can tell you that $900 won't buy
decent STUDENT models of most instruments.
--
doug
mf2112...@yahoo.com
<drum...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>I posted that report because several RMMP'ers asked me to tell what I saw at
>NAMM (as usually happens here around NAMM time) and I've had twenty
>something emails in reply to that post so it is definitely on topic and
>useful to this newsgroup about DRUMS, you funny asshole. You can go blow
>yourself, Fell.
Not only are you not funny but, your wit is lacking as well.:-)
> I actually don't have anyone killfiled at this moment.
>suggest you killfile me if you find me useless and humorless.
I said that particular NAMM post was useless and for that I humbly
apologize. I never said you were useless though. You are a pretty
nice guy (Despite the comment above)you just lack in the humor
department.:-)
>The reason you
>don't find me to have a sense of humor is because I quit laughing at your
>same old lines. It gets old to hear someone say the same shit over and over.
It worked for Rodney Dangerfield.
>Your wife must be going bananas at the monotony! :-)
She is still with me. What does that tell you funny man?
Regards
Mike
h2
i've gotta tip my hat to an ape who uses the word "perseveration."
h2
George Lawrence
things can get expensive.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
2091 Front Street
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 44221
website http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
email geo...@georgesdrumshop.com
330 940 DRUM (3786)
toll free 866 970 0800
fax 330 940 3785
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
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George Lawrence
>>She is still with me. What does that tell you funny man?
She got a voluntary lobotomy? badumpum! I'm here all week. Try the veal.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
2091 Front Street
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 44221
website http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
email geo...@georgesdrumshop.com
330 940 DRUM (3786)
toll free 866 970 0800
fax 330 940 3785
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
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wrote:
>George Lawrence wrote:
>> I personally don't think $900 is a lot to spend on a custom built pro
I sure as hell don't play any better on a more expensive snare drum
either which is what it is all about for me. If I want art I would go
to the local art gallery and buy a painting. A snare drum is a tool
An important piece to a drum kit. Nobody sees it. Fancy smancy hand
made shells don't mean the thing is gonna sound good or bad for that
matter. That said you can bet they would make fine dust collectors or
paper weights.:-) Now speaking in terms of guitars or violins being
handmade would make a huge difference in the overall feel of the
instrument, the way it plays, how well it stays in tune. It doesn't
work that way with drums though. Oh and lets get something straight
here you can buy real *PRO* snare drums on EBAY for $150.00!!!! Lots
of pros use those particular snare drums on a daily basis. No need to
mention this particular snare drum by name. Also, I have to admit
Schuh sells very nice custom snare drums at reasonable prices. If I
were to go with a custom snare I would buy one from Rob. Heck he has
one up for $250.00 right now as well. That is a steal.:-)
>> insturment. Pianos and bassoonists have it worse!
As you well know Drummers have to buy more than just snare drums
George. After it is all said and done most of us have at least
$3000.00 in our drum kits. We are not getting off cheap here. I bought
my toms and bass drum (Six pieces)used for $1300.00 while i have about
$800.00 in cymbals over $500.00 in hardware and about $800.00 in
mics\mic stands and cords. My snare drum was a gift. I have approx
$3400.00 in my kit and I did not pay for my snare drum. I didn't
mention cases for all this stuff as well. You still think $900.00 is
not allot to spend on a snare drum?
> As a band teacher, I can tell you that $900 won't buy
>decent STUDENT models of most instruments.
But, $200.00 will buy you one heck of a pro snare drum.
Regards
Mike
Sam Savoca
> I had to pay for my sister's viola when I sat on it and crushed it. Those
> things can get expensive.
Wow you must weigh a ton! You monster you.
Sam S.
mic...@yahoo.com
accused you of being too diplomatic.
I think some of Fell's posts are humorous.
The important thing to remember, is that we have freedom of
expression. no one ever guaranteed that you will not hear something
that you don't like. The choice is yours. You can read it, or
killfile it. Simple
John
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:16:23 -0700, Robert Schuh <r...@robschuh.com>
wrote:
George Lawrence
speak honestly about the difference between snare drums no matter what they
cost. No one is disagreeing with you that a Supra sounds great, BUT, it is
like a cheap chevrolet that runs well. It's a relatively cheap professional
drum. It is not the average price for a fine instrument that has been made
by a skilled artisan. I have owned drums that cost me anywhere from $0 to
$3,000. Everyone was necessary and unique. I can tell the difference and
know how to use them for each application needed. A Supra is not a Dunnett.
They are different and unique. Your opinion about the Dunnett will not
change this fact. Your opinion of Ronn Dunnett biases your opinion of his
drums and this is why most will not listen to your opinion about his drum.
Your opinion doesn't count to someone who is looking for an unbiased review
of his drum. Also anyone who has compared both can hear that you are wrong,
so to keep crowing about it make you look like a fool. Both are well known
pro instruments that sound great. I have owned lots of Supras and while they
are versatile they do not sound like the other drums you compare them to.
This is a fact, not opinion. Also drummers with experience know that a Supra
is not a Radio King or a Craviotto or a Noble and Cooley or a Brady, etc.
etc. They all sound different and great and they all cost different amounts
of money and each one is worth the asking price. Thou do protest too
loudly. It's a free country. You have the right to speak freely while
everyone snores! :-) People come here for good opinions. Yours is tainted on
this subject.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
2091 Front Street
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 44221
website http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
email geo...@georgesdrumshop.com
330 940 DRUM (3786)
toll free 866 970 0800
fax 330 940 3785
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
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George Lawrence
instrumentalists do. Our instruments are cheap comparatively
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
2091 Front Street
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 44221
website http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
email geo...@georgesdrumshop.com
330 940 DRUM (3786)
toll free 866 970 0800
fax 330 940 3785
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
<DJ Bjorklund> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:32:08 GMT, "George Lawrence"
> <drum...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> >I personally don't think $900 is a lot to spend on a custom built pro
> >insturment. Pianos and bassoonists have it worse! I had a brass Keystone
> >Supra walk into day that I hope to buy from the customer. Should I ask
Fell
> >what he thinks? :-)
>
> Our snare is only a part of our instrument. We can easily stick $3000
> - 4000 into a kit, no?
>
Glenn Dowdy
> I had to pay for my sister's viola when I sat on it and crushed it. Those
> things can get expensive.
>
it. Got any relatives with banjos?
Glenn D.
DJ Bjorklund
<drum...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>Yes, but we don't spend $50K and $150K and half a million like some other
>instrumentalists do. Our instruments are cheap comparatively
Yes, agreed, even a complete set of drilled cylinders of everything
from paper board & acrylic plastic to titanium/name your exotic wood,
typically mass-produced rolled and welded hoops, what is essentially a
bunch of fasteners, and mass produced, largely plastic heads, will, in
general, have less value than a Steinway, or, I don't know, a gosh
dern I-talian contra bass clarinet.
Unless of course you're considering Gretsch, DW, or perhaps empty
paint cans from Canada! (C'mon its a joke, lighten up people) ;-P
jmt
As a wee little Apeling, I rolled out of bed one morning and
stepped on my Dad's Gibson*. A Super 400, made in the mid-30's. It
still makes me physically sick to think about it. The old man didn't
kick my ass,(the Virgin Claudine D i d).
Reaching for the Pepsid;
Crunch
*Didn't have to pay the repair bill, which was good. One of those in
very good cond could bring around $40,000.00 at today's prices. (Gonna
take some Pepto-bismol too, I'm quite sensitive you know)
--
Robert Schuh
acoustic bass. It is an AMAZING ax.
--
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche
Robert Schuh
Doug,
As someone who has been building drums now, you can not compare a snare
drum to a saxophone etc. I love Ronn's drums, but I have NEVER heard a
snare that sounds better than some of the drums I have been selling for
$400.00 and lower. I think Ronn is actually on target with his prices.
From what I have seen and heard from NAMM, it seems that Johnny
Craviatto is now THE biggest crack smoker out there. I am sorry, but
there is NOTHING that should make a steam bent snare sell for $2000.00.
It is pure greed and gluttony.
DJ Bjorklund
wrote:
>Doug Crooks wrote:
>
>> George Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> I personally don't think $900 is a lot to spend on a custom built pro
>>> insturment. Pianos and bassoonists have it worse!
>>
>>
>> No kidding: ask the concert mistress of a symphony how much they payed
>> for their violin. As a band teacher, I can tell you that $900 won't
>> buy decent STUDENT models of most instruments.
>> --
>> doug
>
>Doug,
>As someone who has been building drums now, you can not compare a snare
>drum to a saxophone etc. I love Ronn's drums, but I have NEVER heard a
>snare that sounds better than some of the drums I have been selling for
>$400.00 and lower. I think Ronn is actually on target with his prices.
> From what I have seen and heard from NAMM, it seems that Johnny
>Craviatto is now THE biggest crack smoker out there. I am sorry, but
>there is NOTHING that should make a steam bent snare sell for $2000.00.
>It is pure greed and gluttony.
>
I know I should know this Rob, but speaking of Craviatto, is it not
the same name on that real high end tuning system with the little dial
with the hash marks around it. I've never seen one in person. How
does that thing work anyway? And that's an old system from, what, the
40's isn't it? Who invented it, this guys father, or what?
Dan Radin
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> The bass player whom I play with the most paid $25,000.00 for his acoustic
> bass. It is an AMAZING ax.
Does he transport it in a hard case? I don't think I've ever seen an upright
player with one.
Mark Rance
"jmt" <j...@shawneelink.net> wrote in message
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> Dear DoEweWannaRance?;
> You mentioned, "His drums don't overly impress me,
> either".
>
>
>
> That's odd, Ewe were certainly trying rather diligently to acquire
> Mine, before I swapped it to Geo.
> Temporary Inanity?;
> jmt
Come on, I wasn't trying that hard. I never even took the time to get you
the pictures, remember?
I was/am curious about the Ti 6½ x 13 size that has gotten all of the great
press here...so I thought I
would look at trading for one, to see.
-Mark
Robert Schuh
No,
He uses a standard soft case. If he had to put it on a plane, he would
get one of those huge coffin type cases. It used to be Rufus Reid's bass.
mf2112...@yahoo.com
>On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 03:32:08 GMT, "George Lawrence"
><drum...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>I personally don't think $900 is a lot to spend on a custom built pro
>>insturment.
> <snip>
>
>No, I don't imagine you do, but unlike most of us, you're a pro. You
>teach, tour with big acts, and own what I'm sure is a nice store.
>It's not a surprise you can justify the expense. At one point,
>snare-wise, I topped out at $650 in a Dunnett Ti. It WAS a nice
>sounding drum, but I just couldn't justify tying up that dough given
>I'm only a weekend warrior. And yes, God help me, I've recently
>acquired both a nice '65 and a very nice '70 Supra, and I'm happy as
>hell with them, and that's all that matters ;-)
Hey DJ quit bogarting the Supras.:-)
Regards
Mike
mf2112...@yahoo.com
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 10:44:42 -0600, jmt <j...@shawneelink.net> wrote:
>Dear Geo;
> Oh my Darwin, I have Apeambivalence. I do think Mike's post are
>funny W h e n he is obviously just trying to yank RD's leash and go on
>and on and on(and on and on)about his goddam Supra.(The Perseveration in
>and of itself is hilarious to me.) Up to a point, I think his comments
>about the Ludwig's versatility and quality are correct. When he starts
>getting pissed and talking about lawsuits and ape-abusers and making
>remarks that are intentionally insulting to RD's intellect and craft, it
>becomes mean and tiresome and I've called him on it. I Do know that
>Mike is a good ape, and a generous and thoughtful individual.
> Everybody's Somebody's Fell;
> jmt
>
>
>George Lawrence wrote:
>> If yes, how should we reward this man for being so funny and so creative and
>> contributing so much to this forum?
>> If no, then if we could actually fine RMMP posters for wasting our time and
>> insulting our intelligence and sense of humor, how and/or how much should we
>> fine him?
>>
>> I vote no and think his punishment should be never being able to mention or
>> refer to Supraphonics or Dunnett in this group again which of course means
>> he would be silent.
>>
>> Inquisitive minds want to know. I'm obviously bored and have nothing better
>> to do than pick on Fell..
>>
>> --
>> George Lawrence
>> George's Drum Shop
>> 2091 Front Street
>> Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 44221
>> website http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
>> email geo...@georgesdrumshop.com
>> 330 940 DRUM (3786)
>> toll free 866 970 0800
>> fax 330 940 3785
>>
>> "If thine enemy wrong thee,
>> buy each of his children a drum."
>> -Chinese proverb
>>
>>
Regards
Mike
Bob Wennersrom
George Lawrence wrote:
>Also anyone who has compared both can hear that you are wrong,
> so to keep crowing about it make you look like a fool.
I've owned both. I'm just a bar drummer, weekend warrior type, but I
prefer the sound of my Supra to the 6x13 Dunnett Ti I had. Maybe I never
got the Dunnett tuned right, I dunno. I had about two hours into trying
to tune it and 16 gig hours on it when I let it go.
You happen to buy another one of these Ti drums because another "bar
drummer" let it go because he didn't find the sound suitable to his ears
or his musical syle. Whether JMT thinks a Supra is more suitable, I
don't know, but he played them for years before going on a quest for a
better drum.
While I agreed with the majority of this post, I disagreed with this
particular statement. I've compared them and made my choice. Maybe I'm
"wrong" though.
Drummer at large
DJ Bjorklund
<bjo...@hickorytech.net> wrote:
>I know I should know this Rob, but speaking of Craviatto, is it not
>the same name on that real high end tuning system with the little dial
>with the hash marks around it. I've never seen one in person. How
>does that thing work anyway? And that's an old system from, what, the
>40's isn't it? Who invented it, this guys father, or what?
I'm serious.
jmt
How would you know they "don't overly impress", if you haven't
smacked one around as of yet?
Ewe shoulda sent me the pix, I might have liked that YellaSonor;
jmt
Mark Rance wrote:
--
Dan Radin
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Gladstone?
jmt
George Lawrence
haven't bought a drum since I opened my store but I just bought a Craviotto
black cherey 6.5 x 14. I've never used this word to dexcribe any percussion
instrument before but the Craviotto is the Stradivarius of snare drums and I
know a lot of other well respected drummers who think so also. I think the
price is fair. $900 to $1000 street price. the drums are aslo very
consistent from drum to drum. I've sold 4 so far.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
2091 Front Street
Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 44221
website http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
email geo...@georgesdrumshop.com
330 940 DRUM (3786)
toll free 866 970 0800
fax 330 940 3785
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
"Robert Schuh" <r...@robschuh.com> wrote in message
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Dan Radin
>>Gladstone?
>
> Yes. Thanks Dan
> My confusion stems from my seeing the "Gladstone" tuning system on a
> Craviatto snare, does it not?
Haven't seen that. I belive Arnie Lang owns the licensing on the design,
though I could be wrong.
> Anyway,...how does it work?
Never tried one myself. I know Dunnett has built at least one drum with the
system. Maybe try emailing him directly?
Mark Polis
love the wooden Dunnetts (hey, some of THOSE shells are Craviottos!), the
Brady jarrah ply, the Canopus Zelkovas, etc. But the Cravs are the ones I'm
usually pulling down.
And the solid shell Black Cherry 6½x14 is the baddest boy of all the
Craviotto's. That drum is worth every penny you spend on it.
(Another insane Crav is the Lake Superior Timeless Timber Birch 5½x14, but
there we're getting into some deeper pocket yet.)
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"You play because you must." - drummer Tony Williams
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Mark Rance
"George Lawrence" <drum...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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>I disagree. Johnny's drum is about the best one ever built to my ears. I
> haven't bought a drum since I opened my store but I just bought a
> Craviotto
> black cherey 6.5 x 14. I've never used this word to dexcribe any
> percussion
> instrument before but the Craviotto is the Stradivarius of snare drums and
> I
> know a lot of other well respected drummers who think so also. I think the
> price is fair. $900 to $1000 street price. the drums are aslo very
> consistent from drum to drum. I've sold 4 so far.
I have a 5" x 13" maple Crav. that I bought used from a shriner some years
back.
It is my overall favorite snare.
-Mark