Worst recorded drum solo awards?
Mark Tynan
How about nominations for the worst recorded drum solo/track? If anything it
will give an indication of what to avoid!
Anthony Tully
: How about nominations for the worst recorded drum solo/track? If anything it
: will give an indication of what to avoid!
From a live point of view anyway - I went to see Alan Holdsworth a few
months back.
Gary Husband - drummer for Level 42
WAS SHIT! He was such a joke his drum solo made me laugh so hard. I mean
after hearing so much about his drumming it was a major disappointment to
actually watch him play. The guy is so SLOPPY, UNCORDINATED and has no
sense of TIME. But it was one of the funniest gigs I have ever seen, I
havent laughed so hard. Alan Holdsworths reminded me of Mr.Snofologulus
from Sesame ST. Bass Player was great though - but they need to get a
drummer who can play! I havent laughed so hard at a gig ever -
Jocularity value was 10!!! I was hoping the encore was going to be ZZ
Tops - La Grange! I wanted to see the band rock out so bad :)
Cheers
Anthony
Alan
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>
>How about nominations for the worst recorded drum solo/track? If anything it
>will give an indication of what to avoid!
And Matt Sorum's solo when I saw Guns N Roses a couple of years ago wasn't too
impressive either.
-JI
Jay Lundell
Railroad album, I think it was their first one. The song was called
T.N.U.C. (get it? spell it backwards. Real cute, huh?), and it consisted
only of those stupid tom-tom-bassdrum triplet patterns done ad nauseum.
The drummer would start a pattern out slowly, build up to a ridiculous speed,
then slow down again. THEN he would start another pattern and do the
same thing! What a concept!
BTW, here's my list of the worst rock drummers. Of course, they're not
really the worst, but drummers whose fame and fortune were certainly
greater than their abilities:
Don Henley (Eagles - worst sounding drums of all time)
Mickey Dolenz (Monkees - he learned to play after he was "recruited" into
the band by TV execs)
Ron Bushy (Iron Butterfly - worst live drum solo I've ever seen)
Ginger Baker (a legend in his own mind)
Drummer of Creedence Clearwater - (second worst sounding drums of all
time)
and, of course, the little kid in the Brady Bunch! What technique!
- Jay Lundell
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Jukka Packalen
from the 70's. I'm afraid it's so many years ago that I can't remember
on which record let alone which tune, but I seem to vaguely remember
that it could have been the record that has a tune called 'Sweet Leaf'.
Anyone else remember/know this one. Actually, when I think of it, it
could also be from a newer record. Well, there can't be that many solos
on the B.S. records... I have only bought (and sold ;-) one B.S. record
in my life, Heaven and Hell, so it could be from that one too.
I have to mention also two other rediculously bad performances on
the drums:
Billy Cobham on the Zildjan Day -video. When he grabs the extra two
sticks and gets absolutely nothing done with the four sticks I can't
help but giggle. The rest of the solo is just plain boring.
Neil Peart on the Buddy Rich memorial concert -video. I have never heard
anyone play Jazz with as little idea of what it's all about. (I do dig
his work with Rush.)
And while we're at it I have to mention the probably worst rock drummer
of them all: the Finnish rock legend Remu Aaltonen from the legendary
Hurriganes int 70's/80's. He actually said in an interview that he speeds
up the tempo slightly during some tunes to "intensify the feeling" -
like he'd do it intentionally ;-)
- Jukka
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Jukka Packalen <jpac...@cc.Helsinki.FI> wrote:
>
>And while we're at it I have to mention the probably worst rock drummer
>of them all: the Finnish rock legend Remu Aaltonen from the legendary
>Hurriganes int 70's/80's. He actually said in an interview that he speeds
>up the tempo slightly during some tunes to "intensify the feeling" -
>like he'd do it intentionally ;-)
>
>- Jukka
>
just a little bit to add a little "energy" to things. In fact, while
recording the drum tracks on the album I am currently co-producing
(Earwurm: Rennaissance), I gave in to working with a click track because
of certain time signatures that still play tricks on me. However, I
can't STAND the mechanical pulse of drum machines. There is something to
be said for "too much perfection". So, we programmed the slight tempo
shifts into a drum machine, and used that as a click track.
Worked beautifully. I've found it's a really good way to capture
a live feel on a tracked recording.
I'll post some WAVs soon, and you can judge for yourself.
Happy tapping,
-Rick
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been playing very long, after all), but I don't think he's that much better
than I am either. I really don't like the more recent Gn'R albums as much
as Appetite for Destruction, and I think the drumming's partly responsible.
Whatever Steven Adler's shortcomings were, he did manage to inject some
variety into what he played (I'm talking about ensemble, not solos - I never
heard him solo). Sorum uses the SAME beats and fills ALL THE TIME. Now
granted, I've done that, but he's certainly been playing longer than I have.
4 1/2 years isn't that long (which I have to remind myself of whenever I
hear, say, Max Roach). To my mind, the more you play, the more creative you
can become, simply because you expand your creativity through technique and
musical knowledge. When Sorum comes up with things that strike me as
uninteresting, I'm naturally disappointed.
This is not an argument in favor of complexity. Simplicity can be creative.
My point is that I like to hear drumming that teaches me something and is
entertaining at the same time. Matt Sorum's playing just doesn't interest
me that much.
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Kevin Chu
>>>will give an indication of what to avoid!
There's a Blue Oyster Cult live album (can't remember the title, it's the
double album) and there's a drum solo in Godzilla that just bites. I have
a feeling that was some visual stuff going on that wasn't captured on
vinal (obviously), but as a solo, it was really sad.
What's interesting is that I've heard another recording (bootleg?) that
seemed to be the same solo, but done really well. Go figure.
--Kevin Chu k...@Corp.Sun.COM
John Shepherd
> Mark Tynan <mty...@tdss.thegap.com> writes:
> >
> >How about nominations for the worst recorded drum solo/track? If anything it
> >will give an indication of what to avoid!
>
> How about "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" by Iron Butterfly? That one's pretty bad.
Funny thing. I was at rehearsal tuesday night and we were discussing
changing the drum part to one of our songs, and I jokingly started
playing the In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida solo. Our guitarist and bassist
immediately commented that that solo was based strongly on a solo Ringo
Starr did on the Abbey Road album. Is there anyone here who's familiar
with this Ringo solo, and can verify the claim?
ShofB
Shepherd) writes:
>Our guitarist and bassist
>immediately commented that that solo was based strongly on a solo Ringo
>Starr did on the Abbey Road album. Is there anyone here who's familiar
>with this Ringo solo, and can verify the claim?
But I think the Iron Butterfly thing was out before Abbey road, anyone
know for sure??
Jay Lundell
:
: But I think the Iron Butterfly thing was out before Abbey road, anyone
: know for sure??
:
:
Yes. In-a-gadda-da-vida came out in 1968, and Abbey Road was the
Beatles last album (although "Let It Be" was released later) in 1970.
Paul Mitchell
> the band by TV execs)
Doubt he played on the recordings. He WAS an OK classical guitarist.
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ShofB
writes:
>Doubt he played on the recordings. He WAS an OK classical guitarist
I think it was Hal Blain. Anyone know for sure?
Shof.
Michael Kelly Larsen
My guess is that they're talking about "The End", the cut before "Her
Majesty". That album was the first rock album I ever bought (ok, my
dad bought it for me. It was 1972, I was five.) and I remember that
solo clearly. I used to love it. Not familiar enough with Iron Butterfly
or the In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida solo to verify whether or not that's the one
or not.
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Andrew Nicholson
>
>BTW, here's my list of the worst rock drummers. Of course, they're not
>really the worst, but drummers whose fame and fortune were certainly
>greater than their abilities:
>
>Don Henley (Eagles - worst sounding drums of all time)
>Mickey Dolenz (Monkees - he learned to play after he was "recruited" into
> the band by TV execs)
>Ron Bushy (Iron Butterfly - worst live drum solo I've ever seen)
>Ginger Baker (a legend in his own mind)
>Drummer of Creedence Clearwater - (second worst sounding drums of all
> time)
>
>
his playing that makes everyone feel that they have to hail his greatness? Is
it just that he was the first one to use two bass drums for rock n' roll?
I also have to add Bill Bruford's drum solo on the live album YesSongs to
the list of stinkers. Unlike some of his searing, later drum solo work with
King Crimson, the drum solo on YesSongs was almost completely perfunctory and
unmusical. You can tell from the solo that three weeks later he'd be leaving
Yes; in his own mind perhaps he already had.
-Andrew
Andrew Nicholson
>
>Funny thing. I was at rehearsal tuesday night and we were discussing
>changing the drum part to one of our songs, and I jokingly started
>playing the In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida solo. Our guitarist and bassist
>immediately commented that that solo was based strongly on a solo Ringo
>Starr did on the Abbey Road album. Is there anyone here who's familiar
>with this Ringo solo, and can verify the claim?
I think the solo of Ringo's was on "You Say It's Your Birthday." It starts
with quarter notes on the bass drum, and then goes to intermittent 16th notes
on the toms. I don't remember exactly what the guy from Iron Butterfly did
to the solo (stretched it out, no doubt ;-)), but Ringo's solo was very
tasteful, and very unlike the sorts of solos that rock drummers tend to do
twenty years later.
-Andrew
MuffinHed
anic...@ellis.uchicago.edu (Andrew Nicholson) writes:
> I think the solo of Ringo's was on "You Say It's Your Birthday." It
starts
>with quarter notes on the bass drum, and then goes to intermittent 16th
notes
>on the toms.
Nope, it's more or less:
1.2.3.4.
HiHat |xxxxxxxx|
Snare |x.x.x.x.|
Bass |.x.x.x.x|
...for 8 bars. No toms. No 16th's. I wouldn't call this a solo, but more
of a "hilighted section of playing time". :)
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Daniel F. Krawiec
anic...@ellis.uchicago.edu (Andrew Nicholson) writes:
> Our guitarist and bassist
> >immediately commented that that solo was based strongly on a solo Ringo
> >Starr did on the Abbey Road album. Is there anyone here who's familiar
> >with this Ringo solo, and can verify the claim?
>
> I think the solo of Ringo's was on "You Say It's Your Birthday." It starts
> with quarter notes on the bass drum, and then goes to intermittent 16th notes
> on the toms. I don't remember exactly what the guy from Iron Butterfly did
> to the solo (stretched it out, no doubt ;-)), but Ringo's solo was very
> tasteful, and very unlike the sorts of solos that rock drummers tend to do
> twenty years later.
> -Andrew
Yes, the Ringo solo near "The End" on Abbey Road is similar to the
inagaddadavida solo, that is; there are certain phrases which are
similar... "Birthday" is on the White Album and is something completely
different. Andrew, you are confused.
Alex Basson
>Whatever Steven Adler's shortcomings were, he did manage to inject some
>variety into what he played (I'm talking about ensemble, not solos - I never
What *are* these shortcomings? Everytime I read about Steven Adler or hear
him mentioned, drummers all say he was really bad. Why? I thought he was
okay -- not Neal Peart, but okay. So what's the deal with him?
Alex I'm-a-bassist-not-a-drummer Basson
b...@delphi.com
Drummers that is somewhat out of date, still very informative. Ciao.
b...@delphi.com
> I'm afraid I'd have to agree with you about Ginger Baker. . what is it about
>his playing that makes everyone feel that they have to hail his greatness? Is
played at the Modern Drummer festival, and was introduced as a god, who
basically invented rock drumming. He came out and played so bad it was
embarrassing. He could not remember
basic grooves to Cream songs. Very pathetic. Hey kids, let this be a lesson
to you! Play it straight!
tu...@delphi.com
had never heard in the sixties...and he was god;-}...Clapton and Bruce could
have used just about any drummer and achived the same fame...
Jay Lundell
: I agree...ginger coppied a 1938 drumm solo from gene krupa...wihich most
: had never heard in the sixties...and he was god;-}...Clapton and Bruce could
: have used just about any drummer and achived the same fame...
Ginger Baker was often credited with being the first drummer to use
double bass drums, while Louis Bellson was doing it in 1947 ...