Why Sonor over DW?
Josh Cain
I've been checking out new drums, and I've heard a lot of religious
fervor regarding Sonor... but I'm wondering what's better about
Sonor over DW? As far as sound is concerned, the DW's I've played
have sounded at least as good (better to my ears, but I won't go
there). The hardware and finish looks at least as good...
Also, I've heard from three different recording studio pros (big
names, here) who recommended DW as their top choice for drums
to record, and they all had experience with Sonor as well.
So, why would I buy Sonor over DW? (Money isn't an issue either
way) Several people have told me they think Sonor's are way
overpriced (then again, they'd probably say the same about DW)
This kit would be for a recording studio...
-Josh
RIDDIM
imaculate.
They age well and should be worth something down the road.
I haven't owned DWs, but It's not rocket science to take a Keller shell,
put the right edge on it, and mount it on RIMS.
John Davis in Ellecott City, MD does it -- and his stuff sounds quite
good. His prices are very reasonable too.
You can ping him at capix.aol.com, if you want to check him out.
MuffinHead
In article <32F682...@ee.washington.edu>, Josh Cain
<jc...@ee.washington.edu> wrote:
>I've been checking out new drums, and I've heard a lot of religious
>fervor regarding Sonor... but I'm wondering what's better about
>Sonor over DW? As far as sound is concerned, the DW's I've played
>have sounded at least as good (better to my ears, but I won't go
>there). The hardware and finish looks at least as good...
Look more closely at the hardware. Sonor stuff is akin to parts made
for F1 racing cars. You can tell that a real craftsman did the work. The
Designer Series stuff is truly top notch. Here's the one thing that
impresses me about it that I always relate: The rivets that hold the legs
together and act as hinges are made from solid stainless steel instead of
the cheap hollow steel that other manufacturers use. These will outlast
the cheap ones by many decades, still holding a stiff joint while the
cheap ones are wobbling all over the place.
Sonor stuff *is* worth the money. You get what you pay for. I own a
Designer Series snare and hi-hat stand. Every time I take them out of the
case I just want to look at them and say to everybody, "isn't this
great?!" Oh, I bought the hi-hat stand *after* buying a DW and taking it
back because it wobbled all over (and it was the model with a stiff pedal
plate and removable 3rd leg) and didn't fold up for storage without major
surgery.
MuffinHead
Drummer, Mac geek Armpit Studios VIII
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Chris Cawthray
> In article <32F682...@ee.washington.edu>, Josh Cain
> <jc...@ee.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> >I've been checking out new drums, and I've heard a lot of religious
> >fervor regarding Sonor... but I'm wondering what's better about
> >Sonor over DW? As far as sound is concerned, the DW's I've played
> >have sounded at least as good (better to my ears, but I won't go
> >there). The hardware and finish looks at least as good...
>
>
don't get me started!!!!! ( I am the resident SONOR freak after all...)
reasons:
1. SONOR designs and builds its own shells, DW picks out the best ones
from Keller, a company which also makes furniture and cup racks...
2. SONOR hardware represents significant unique advances and acheivements
in design and materials. DW lugs and hardware are at best, cleaned up
versions of designs that were in use at least 30 years ago.
3. SONOR drums are extremely responsive to head changes and tunings. (I
am sure DW are too, but my experiences tuning my SONORs for a variety of
studio projects has shown that they are the most versatile drums I have
ever heard...)
4. SONORs won't break down, ever. This isn't a guarantee, its just common
knowledge. I know a few people who have used the same set for 15 years,
and seen no appreciable drop in its performance or quality. I bought a
set of early 80's SONOR Phonics out of the rental department of a major
store here in Toronto last year. These drum had been rented out hundreds
of times over at least 10 years, without the use of cases. Apart from
some scratches in the covered finish, ever wingnut and tuning rod moved
effortlessly and the bearing edges and interior of the shells were
immaculate.
5. SONOR drums are aesthetically the most refined ( yet uniquely bold )
on the market. There is no other brand of drum that looks as it good as
it sounds...
6. SONOR is worth the $$$$, and they cost lots. DW is overpriced.
Considering the materials they use, you are better off getting a fully
custom set from a local drum builder (or even one online, like Matt
Gaither.....). You'll get a better drum at equal or less the cost.
With SONOR, custom is not an option really, nor is it necessary. I have
said it before: SONOR does the thinking for me, I don't need to design
the ultimate drum, they've done it. My two SONOR sets have never failed
me in sound, looks, and reliability. I own two simply because I was lucky
to find a second set at a price I could afford, but its presence is a
luxury, I don't imagine an acoustic drum gig where my Hilites can't
represent the ideal sounds....
Drums are really expensive these days. Do some thinking. First off,
make sure you really need a top-of-the-line set (or can you easily get by
with a Premier Genista or XPK? I probably could in all honesty, but it
wouldn't be nearly as much fun.....), then make sure you are getting your
money's worth.
If "custom" options are important to you, seek out a builder you can
establish a one-on-one relationship with and build the set of your
dreams. If access to additional drums and add-on parts anywhere quickly
is a concern, buy Yamaha or Pearl, they are huge corporations that make
good drums. If you want drums that will exceed your expectations (and
your budget.... ;)...) and inspire you, buy SONOR.
have a great day!
chris
dr...@inforamp.net
Mark Rance
Chris Cawthray wrote:
>
> Drums are really expensive these days. Do some thinking. First off,
>make sure you really need a top-of-the-line set (or can you easily get by
>with a Premier Genista or XPK?
umm, to be clear here.... genista *is* premier's top-of-the-line BIRCH
kit.
signias are their top-of-the-line MAPLE kit
just a nit,
mark
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> make sure you really need a top-of-the-line set (or can you easily get by
> wouldn't be nearly as much fun.....), then make sure you are getting your
> money's worth.
>
> If "custom" options are important to you, seek out a builder you can
> establish a one-on-one relationship with and build the set of your
> dreams. If access to additional drums and add-on parts anywhere quickly
> is a concern, buy Yamaha or Pearl, they are huge corporations that make
> good drums. If you want drums that will exceed your expectations (and
> your budget.... ;)...) and inspire you, buy SONOR.
>
> have a great day!
>
> chris
> dr...@inforamp.net
who said that the Sonors are better -THEY ARE!!! ( I own a 5x12 hilite
snare very cool ) BUT IMHO Nothing, and I mean Nothing on the planet
compares to the AYOTTE drums I recently bought a 7X13 snare and the
craftsmanship is second to none and the sound oh the sound like nuthin
you've ever played before wood hoops are SOOOOOO SWEEEET!!! You will
never go wrong buying Sonor (Sound or resale) but in my book you can
still do better buying Ayotte...
Mark Rance
Bob Morgan wrote:
>
> Chris Cawthray wrote:
> >
> > > In article <32F682...@ee.washington.edu>, Josh Cain
> > > <jc...@ee.washington.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > >I've been checking out new drums, and I've heard a lot of religious
> > > >fervor regarding Sonor... but I'm wondering what's better about
> > > >Sonor over DW? As far as sound is concerned, the DW's I've played
> > > >have sounded at least as good (better to my ears, but I won't go
> > > >there). The hardware and finish looks at least as good...
so with all of this sonor-mania...i was curious if anyone has an opinion
on the sonorlites.
comments?
Crash Martin
> Chris Cawthray wrote:
> > reasons:
> >
> > 1. SONOR designs and builds its own shells, DW picks out the best ones
> > from Keller, a company which also makes furniture and cup racks...
> >
> > 2. SONOR hardware represents significant unique advances and
acheivements
> > in design and materials. DW lugs and hardware are at best, cleaned up
> > versions of designs that were in use at least 30 years ago.
> > Blah, Blah,Blah...
> > chris
Let's all pray that everyone playing Premier,Ludwig,DW,Yamaha,Gretsch,Tama
etc. soon realizes they are playing inferior garbage & switches to Sonor(of
course after taking a second mortgage out on their house).
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Robert Cleary
In article <32F759...@chene.cs.mci.com>, Mark Rance
<m...@chene.cs.mci.com> wrote:
> Chris Cawthray wrote:
> >
>
> > Drums are really expensive these days. Do some thinking. First off,
> >make sure you really need a top-of-the-line set (or can you easily get by
> >with a Premier Genista or XPK?
>
>
> umm, to be clear here.... genista *is* premier's top-of-the-line BIRCH
> kit.
> signias are their top-of-the-line MAPLE kit
>
>
> just a nit,
> mark
Hey, if you want to nit-pick, Signia is their *only* maple kit, so you
could just as accurately call it their bottom-of-the-line maple kit.
Anyway, I think a lot people waste their money on more expensive kits than
they need or are able to take advantage of.
Robert Cleary
rcl...@socketis.net
Hyam Ray Sosnow
In <rcleary-0402...@co047.socketis.net> rcl...@socketis.net
(Robert Cleary) writes:
<snip>
>Anyway, I think a lot people waste their money on more expensive kits
>than they need or are able to take advantage of.
Amen to that, Robert! Few things are more absurd than spending the
bucks for a Sonor kit and then putting Pinstripe heads on it! (And of
course, removing or cutting a huge hole in the front bass drum head and
putting padding inside it).
If you really know how drumheads work and how to choose and tune them
you can get great sound out of just about any drums. Conversely, if you
don't know how to choose heads and tune them properly your $10,000
Sonor kit will sound worse than an $800 set of Pearl Exports.
Chris Cawthray
Crash Martin wrote:
> > > Blah, Blah,Blah...
>
> > > chris
>
> Let's all pray that everyone playing Premier,Ludwig,DW,Yamaha,Gretsch,Tama
> etc. soon realizes they are playing inferior garbage & switches to Sonor(of
> course after taking a second mortgage out on their house).
>
>
I never said that other brands weren't good, nor does the use of another
limit your music making... the original poster asked for the reasons why
SONOR might be better than DW, and he said that finances weren't really
an issue anyway......
have a nice day...
chris
Nathan Philip Hauke
Crash Martin (cr...@navix.net) wrote:
:
: Let's all pray that everyone playing Premier,Ludwig,DW,Yamaha,Gretsch,Tama
: etc. soon realizes they are playing inferior garbage & switches to Sonor(of
: course after taking a second mortgage out on their house).
dude, he was just giving an opinion and backing it up.. relax
nate
Nathan Philip Hauke
Hyam Ray Sosnow (hsos...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
:
: If you really know how drumheads work and how to choose and tune them
: you can get great sound out of just about any drums. Conversely, if you
: don't know how to choose heads and tune them properly your $10,000
: Sonor kit will sound worse than an $800 set of Pearl Exports.
on behalf of export owners everywhere, i resent that :)
nate
Cliff Hyslop
On 5 Feb 1997, Hyam Ray Sosnow wrote:
> If you really know how drumheads work and how to choose and tune them
> you can get great sound out of just about any drums. Conversely, if you
> don't know how to choose heads and tune them properly your $10,000
> Sonor kit will sound worse than an $800 set of Pearl Exports.
Er..., I wouldn't go *quite* that far, Hyam. :)
Cliff
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dammit.. stop knocking pearl exports!)(*&^@)*&^$ i like mine <once i got
a new snare drum> with clear ambassadors an exports sounds pretty nice
<cant get it to record worth a shit tho>
nate
Crash Martin
Nathan Philip Hauke <nha...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in article
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the market. There is no other brand of drum that looks as it good as
it sounds...
User
To all who entered this conversation,
Having an unbelievable sounding set is great, and I think Sonor
drums, along with most of the companies' top-of-the-line kits,
sound great. Hell, I wish I could afford to buy a kit like that,
but its taken me 3-4 years to build up my Premier XPK set to a
size I can live with for the moment. The biggest thing is that
it doesn't mean sh*t how good the drums you have are if you can't
play them to their potential. Trust me, I rather have cardboard
boxes and play like Buddy, than a set of Sonors and play like the
guy from Hootie and the Horribles, Jim Sonefield I think.
-Steve
David King
Cliff Hyslop wrote:
>
> On 5 Feb 1997, Hyam Ray Sosnow wrote:
>
> > If you really know how drumheads work and how to choose and tune them
> > you can get great sound out of just about any drums. Conversely, if you
> > don't know how to choose heads and tune them properly your $10,000
> > Sonor kit will sound worse than an $800 set of Pearl Exports.
>
> Er..., I wouldn't go *quite* that far, Hyam. :)
I don't know - think about it. Someone who knows how to tune
can get a decent sound out of a student kit. But a kid with
Sonors/fillintheblankwithyourfavoritetopofthelinedrumset?
Heck, they might put hydraulic heads on the kit! Or they might
tune poorly (or not at all), and get lots of nasty (as in not
good) sounds out of it.
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Hyam Ray Sosnow
In <Pine.SUN.3.91.970205005251.29747D-100000@arrakis> Cliff Hyslop
<hc...@ee.msstate.edu> writes:
>
>On 5 Feb 1997, Hyam Ray Sosnow wrote:
>
>> If you really know how drumheads work and how to choose and tune
>>them you can get great sound out of just about any drums. Conversely,
>>if you don't know how to choose heads and tune them properly your
>>$10,000 Sonor kit will sound worse than an $800 set of Pearl Exports.
>
>Er..., I wouldn't go *quite* that far, Hyam. :)
>
Try this sometime. You'll be amazed at how much more important the head
is to a drum's sound than the drum itself is.
Get yourself a couple of identically-sized drums from different
manufacturers and put identical heads on them and tune them as
identically as you can (properly for the size and type of drum). They
won't sound that different.
Now, get yourself 2 identical drums from the same maker, and install
different model heads on them. They'll sound *much more* different than
the 2 drums from the different manufacturers.
Lesson: It's the heads, Jack!
Hyam Ray Sosnow
In <5d95eh$p...@uwm.edu> nha...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Nathan Philip Hauke)
writes:
>Hyam Ray Sosnow (hsos...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>:
>: If you really know how drumheads work and how to choose and tune
>:them you can get great sound out of just about any drums. Conversely,
>:if you don't know how to choose heads and tune them properly your
>:$10,000 Sonor kit will sound worse than an $800 set of Pearl Exports.
>
>
>nate
Nate:
If you look at it from the other side, what my statement also means is
that even a set of Pearl Exports can sound great if you know how to
properly choose heads and tune the drums. No slam on Exports or their
owners was intended.
Nathan Philip Hauke
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: >
: >on behalf of export owners everywhere, i resent that :)
:
: If you look at it from the other side, what my statement also means is
: that even a set of Pearl Exports can sound great if you know how to
: properly choose heads and tune the drums. No slam on Exports or their
: owners was intended.
i don't care.. i still hate you :)
nate
ben adrian
Hyam Ray Sosnow wrote:
> If you look at it from the other side, what my statement also means is
> that even a set of Pearl Exports can sound great if you know how to
> properly choose heads and tune the drums. No slam on Exports or their
> owners was intended.
Being a drum geek, I was at a show a couple weeks ago, and I was talking
to the drummer from the other band. He was a nice guy, and into drums,
but he hadn't relly dove into the drum world as much as we have here.
basically, I helped him tune his drums, and he has a set of Pearl
Exports. Let me digress. When I got my Roger's kit, I put RIMS on my
12" high tom, mainly because I would eat up the swiv-o-matic mount, but
also I like what it does to the tone. I though about getting a 16" RIMS
mount for the floor tom, because I'm used to having suspended toms, but
when I did the "RIMS test" (holding the drum by it's rim and hitting it,
then setting it down and hitting it), I notice that there was hardlt any
difference with this drum.
Not even thing much about mounting, I was tuning this guy's set of
Exports, and I was noticing how crappy the floor tom sounded. Well, I
picked it up to move it, and I just hit it (I'm a drummer, I hit
everything!) and it was like "BOOOOoom". "Woah, Tone!" These are the
poplar exports, I believe, from the early 90's. the guy flipped out,
too. I basically told him to get RIMS it he planned on keeping these
drums, and he agreed (he's probably gonna get anou=ther kit:) ).
My whole point... Exports can sound pretty good if tuned well and
mounted properly.
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Chris Cawthray
Hyam Ray Sosnow wrote:
>
> Try this sometime. You'll be amazed at how much more important the head
> is to a drum's sound than the drum itself is.
>
Funny you should mention this is what was a SONOR thread.... In the 80's, SONORs
marketing propaganda was based on a concept of isolating the shells resonance (extar
thick shells....) and allowing the head to resonate fully, as opposed to using the head
to activate the shell's resonating properties...
I don't claim to be able to explain the physics behind the theory, or even prove if it
is just BS or not, but My 80's Phonics are EXTREMELY sensitive to head changes.. SONOR
tends to recommend clear single play heads all around, and when I use them I get that
classic SONOR "toppy" sound, but I can throw on a double ply head like a pinstripe, and
they start to sound exactly like my old Recording Customs..
so, yes, proper selection and tuning of drum heads is likely the most essential aspect
of getting a great (or even good) drum sound....
whenever you are stuck playing rental kits (on tour or whatever...) think about bringing
a few of your favourite batter heads with you, presuming you can predict what drum sizes
you will be likely to get... It may make all the difference between havinga great gig,
and having a horrible night fighting with some strange drums....
I once had to play a shiny pink rental TAMA kit, I wished I had brought some of that
GEDDIT spandex drum coverings, even zebra skin would have looked better...
;)
chris
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ben adrian (bpad...@iupui.edu) wrote:
: My whole point... Exports can sound pretty good if tuned well and
: mounted properly.
you know, ben, i like you :)
nate
Gnat Jobe
Cliff Hyslop (hc...@ee.msstate.edu) wrote:
: On 5 Feb 1997, Hyam Ray Sosnow wrote:
: > If you really know how drumheads work and how to choose and tune them
: > you can get great sound out of just about any drums. Conversely, if you
: > don't know how to choose heads and tune them properly your $10,000
: > Sonor kit will sound worse than an $800 set of Pearl Exports.
: Er..., I wouldn't go *quite* that far, Hyam. :)
: Cliff
Hey, I'll put my export kit up against any other kit for sound and
playability for the budget. I've even had the same heads on them for over
2 years and just the other day a visiting drummer friend sat down to play
them and said they were the best sounding kit he's ever played/heard, and
he was even comparing the Scimitar cymbals I have to his Paiste Signature
line and liked mine better. Go figure...tuning, tuning, tuning.
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John or Jenn
In article <5de01v$e...@college.antioch.edu> Gnat Jobe,
nj...@college.antioch.edu writes:
>them and said they were the best sounding kit he's ever played/heard, and
>he was even comparing the Scimitar cymbals I have to his Paiste Signature
>line and liked mine better. Go figure...tuning, tuning, tuning.
Well, you just blew his credibility...anybody whoąd prefer
Scimitars to Paiste Signature series obviously has a tin (or lead!)
ear... :-)
Nathan Philip Hauke
John or Jenn (j...@azstarnet.com) wrote:
: In article <5de01v$e...@college.antioch.edu> Gnat Jobe,
it's all a matter of taste.. i have a scimitar ride cymbal and i hate
it.. wait.. that's not a good example.. bah.. forget it :)
nate
Mark Ian Karjaluoto
Gnat Jobe <nj...@college.antioch.edu> wrote in article
> Hey, I'll put my export kit up against any other kit for sound and
> playability for the budget. I've even had the same heads on them for over
> 2 years and just the other day a visiting drummer friend sat down to play
> them and said they were the best sounding kit he's ever played/heard, and
> he was even comparing the Scimitar cymbals I have to his Paiste Signature
> line and liked mine better. Go figure...tuning, tuning, tuning.
Even though I hate export snares and toms, I loved the Export bass drum my
school had. It had totally light heads on it: I just took the plastic in
which the drums were packed, shoved it in the drum, and it sounded great.
Punchy, but full. It came with the old display head with an 8" hole, and
one of those damn RC Batters. But it still sounded great!
Mark
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Crash Martin
John or Jenn <j...@azstarnet.com> wrote in article
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and
> >he was even comparing the Scimitar cymbals I have to his Paiste
Signature
> >line and liked mine better. Go figure...tuning, tuning, tuning.
>
> Scimitars to Paiste Signature series obviously has a tin (or lead!)
> ear... :-)
>
should stop even attempting to make "student" cymbals. You would think
that they wouldn't want their name silk screened on those things.
Cliff Hyslop
On 6 Feb 1997, Gnat Jobe wrote:
> Hey, I'll put my export kit up against any other kit for sound and
> playability for the budget. I've even had the same heads on them for over
> 2 years and just the other day a visiting drummer friend sat down to play
> them and said they were the best sounding kit he's ever played/heard, and
I must admit to having a bad 'thing' for Export kits; I've never played
an Export kit that didn't sound hollow, and I think the Export snares
are the absolute *worst* budget snares on the planet. I just think that
for the same money you can get a far superior kit from another company.
I know it sounds cliche', but if you plop down behind an APK kit and bang
around a little, it's night and day between it and an Export. They used
to be the same $$$; the APKs may have gone up since then, though.
However, I'm not trying to slam anyone's setup or equipment; you gotta
play what you have and can afford. If that happens to be an Export, then
more power to ya, I say. I've seen a lot of *@*.edu type addresses that
have Exports, and I know how the money squeeze is in college, believe
me.
> he was even comparing the Scimitar cymbals I have to his Paiste Signature
> line and liked mine better. Go figure...tuning, tuning, tuning.
That does it. Your friend is either:
a)deaf
b)drunk
c)stoned
d)deaf, drunk, and stoned. :)
Tell him I'll buy him a new set of Scimitars if he wants to trade for his
Sigs. No, I'm just kidding; again, play what you gotta.
Cliff
Tomi Parkkonen
Hi guys,
Does anyone know whether Billy Cobham is right handed or a lefty. He sure
can play
both ways, but what is the origin of the matter?
Tomi Parkkonen
Cliff Hyslop
I thought he was a righty who played open-handed, but I haven't seen him
play much, so...
Cliff
Chris Costello
In article <5de01v$e...@college.antioch.edu>, nj...@college.antioch.edu
says...
> Hey, I'll put my export kit up against any other kit for sound and
> playability for the budget. I've even had the same heads on them for over
> 2 years and just the other day a visiting drummer friend sat down to play
> them and said they were the best sounding kit he's ever played/heard, and
> line and liked mine better. Go figure...tuning, tuning, tuning.
I'll second the support for Exports. I've had many sound engineers
compliment my drum sound when playing live. Up until this week, I
had been playing a six-piece Export kit from the mid-80's, which
has shells that look like some sort of pressboard, and with Evans
Genera heads in particular, I've been able to get a good sound
out of them. A good rock sound, anyway.
However, the drums aren't that flexible. They don't "speak" like
a high-end drum. Which is part of why engineers like them live,
I suppose. I'm never terribly happy with the sound of the drums
in the studio, although they aren't *bad* by any stretch. Hence
the new Signia kit, which I'll be talking about a whole bunch
more once I secure a rehearsal space.
Later,
COZ
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In article <5d6d0f$2...@news.inforamp.net>, Chris Cawthray
<dr...@inforamp.net> writes:
>4. SONORs won't break down, ever. This isn't a guarantee, its just common
>knowledge. I know a few people who have used the same set for 15 years,
>and seen no appreciable drop in its performance or quality. I bought a
>set of early 80's SONOR Phonics out of the rental department of a major
>store here in Toronto last year. These drum had been rented out hundreds
>of times over at least 10 years, without the use of cases. Apart from
>some scratches in the covered finish, ever wingnut and tuning rod moved
>effortlessly and the bearing edges and interior of the shells were
>immaculate.
Unfortunately....this IS true. I have been gigging w/my 78' Phonics for
years now. As of late I've been particularly un-careful (is that a word?)
with them...almost HOPING something will break. I really need a reason to
go out a spend the $$ on a Designer Series kit, but....it appears that
it's gonna be awhile. These damn Phonics just keep holding up! God, I
LOVE my Sonors!
Mark Ian Karjaluoto
Crash Martin <cr...@navix.net> wrote in article
> Is kind of baffling isn't it? I've come to the conclusion that Zildjian
> should stop even attempting to make "student" cymbals. You would think
> that they wouldn't want their name silk screened on those things.
Some of the student cymbals are actually not too bad, in ultra-specific
circumstances. For example: I use a Sabian B8 Pro Chinese and I quite like
the sound of it. It is perfect for my applications, and was reasonably
inexpensive.
However, I do like K Zildjian Chinas, and I can't wait to try the new K
Custom Chinas. I'd also like to hit one of the new Oriental Classic Chinas.
Mark
mkar...@uvic.ca
Hyam Ray Sosnow
In <msg98075.thr-...@online.tietokone.fi>
Park...@online.tietokone.fi (Tomi Parkkonen) writes:
>
>
>
>Hi guys,
>
>Does anyone know whether Billy Cobham is right handed or a lefty. He
>sure can play both ways, but what is the origin of the matter?
>
>Tomi Parkkonen
For all intents and purposes in drumming Billy Cobham is ambidexterous.
He can play just as well righty as he can lefty. The guy's amazing to
watch play live.
Marion McClary
> >Does anyone know whether Billy Cobham is right handed or a lefty. He
> >sure can play both ways, but what is the origin of the matter?
> >
> He can play just as well righty as he can lefty. The guy's amazing to
> watch play live.
Although he can play left and right handed, he started playing right
handed first.
Marion, Jr.
Crash Martin
Mark Ian Karjaluoto <mkar...@uvic.ca> wrote in article
<01bc16e8$b25d1640$6612...@142.104.6.1.uvic.ca>...
>
>
> Crash Martin <cr...@navix.net> wrote in article
> > Is kind of baffling isn't it? I've come to the conclusion that
Zildjian
> > should stop even attempting to make "student" cymbals. You would think
> > that they wouldn't want their name silk screened on those things.
>
> Some of the student cymbals are actually not too bad, in ultra-specific
> circumstances. For example: I use a Sabian B8 Pro Chinese and I quite
like
> the sound of it. It is perfect for my applications, and was reasonably
> inexpensive.
>
> Mark
> mkar...@uvic.ca
>
I was mainly referring to the Scimitars. They sound awful. Sabians B8's
sound great for the price as do most of Paiste's lower lines.
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Gnat Jobe
Crash Martin (cr...@navix.net) wrote:
: Is kind of baffling isn't it? I've come to the conclusion that Zildjian
: should stop even attempting to make "student" cymbals. You would think
: that they wouldn't want their name silk screened on those things.
I've done a fair amount of recording with them as well, and always been
very pleased with the sound in the studio. And I don't add effects to the
cymbals either. (Once in awhile to the snares, toms, basses.) Point
being, if you haven't played them, how do you know? and not just one
cymbal either, but the whole line of the hats, 14, 16, 18, and 20? They
go together pretty damn well. When my "solo" album is finished in the
fall, I'd be more than happy to sell a copy to anyone who thinks that
Exports, Scimitars, and Slingerland marching snares have no place in
percussion.
Jeff Shoup
On Mon, 03 Feb 1997 16:29:08 -0800, Josh Cain
<jc...@ee.washington.edu> wrote:
>I've been checking out new drums, and I've heard a lot of religious
>fervor regarding Sonor... but I'm wondering what's better about
>Sonor over DW? As far as sound is concerned, the DW's I've played
>have sounded at least as good (better to my ears, but I won't go
>there). The hardware and finish looks at least as good...
>
>Also, I've heard from three different recording studio pros (big
>names, here) who recommended DW as their top choice for drums
>to record, and they all had experience with Sonor as well.
>
>So, why would I buy Sonor over DW? (Money isn't an issue either
>way) Several people have told me they think Sonor's are way
>overpriced (then again, they'd probably say the same about DW)
>
>This kit would be for a recording studio...
>
>-Josh
Well with all of these anti-DW sentiments I guess I will have to rush
to the defense. I will make clear up front that I think SONOR makes
some of the best drums out there, so I am not trying to trash them. I
just had a few additional points I thought you might like to consider.
DW has become a very trendy drum to play (just turn on a TV and you'll
see what I mean) and whenever that happens to a product it is
instantly deemes "overpriced" and starts to get a bad rap from
everybody.
Well, I have one word for you all...
LUDWIG.
Look at the history of the Ludwig company. Up to the early sixties
they were basically just another drum company (along with Slingerland,
Gretsch, Rogers, et. al.) that sold well and sounded good. That all
changed with a bunch of lad from Liverpool and soon because of Ringo's
demand for a Ludwig sticker on his bass drum everybody was buying
Ludwig. I just read that Ringo almost ended up playing Trixon at the
beginning! (Just imagine if that had happened- we would all have
conical shells right now)
I am not sure of the drum society's opinion on Ludwig at the time (I'd
like to know, any input would be appreciated), but that's not really
important. What is important is that those drums became an important
part of drum history. A complete Oyster Black kit from that era in
good shape is worth bucks.
What it comes down to here is that DW drums are going to have a great
place in history. I think it would be cool 20 years down the road to
have a DW kit (it's the little boy in me that never got enough LEGO's
I guess). Not to mention that they DW is part of a legacy that goes
back into the 60's with Camco and even further back than that with
George Way, one of the great drum makers of our time. A DW drum is a
piece of history.
Oh, and by the way they're just way ass-kickin' soundin' drums.
Thanks for reading all of my diatribe.
Jeff Shoup
Cliff Hyslop
On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, David King wrote:
> I don't know - think about it. Someone who knows how to tune
> can get a decent sound out of a student kit. But a kid with
> Sonors/fillintheblankwithyourfavoritetopofthelinedrumset?
>
> Heck, they might put hydraulic heads on the kit! Or they might
> tune poorly (or not at all), and get lots of nasty (as in not
> good) sounds out of it.
Hey, you Southern Miss people again. I thought they kept the handcuffs
on 'till midnight? :) If you see Jase McCarty anywhere soon, tell him I
said hello.
I wish my parents would have bought me a set of Sonors when I was a kid,
but they had to do stuff like earn their money, so i got a Yamaha Stage.
It sounded good w/proper heads and tuning, but it had a very, very
shallow tuning range and was hard to tune well. My point is that you CAN
get a good sound out of a 'beginner' kit...depending on which kit it is.
I've just heard (personally from sitting behind them) nothing good from
an export kit. How can they expect to get any kind of tone from a
particle-board shell w/that funky sealer on the inside? (they may have
changed it since then, admittedly)
To me, there are just so many more 'budget' kits on the market that are
leaps and bounds above the export and are either as or almost as cheap.
But if your parents provide you with a kit, and it's an export, you've
got to be thankful for that, I guess.
Cliff
Crash Martin
Gnat Jobe <nj...@college.antioch.edu> wrote in article
<5dqtnh$q...@college.antioch.edu>...
> Crash Martin (cr...@navix.net) wrote:
>
> : Is kind of baffling isn't it? I've come to the conclusion that
Zildjian
> : should stop even attempting to make "student" cymbals. You would think
> : that they wouldn't want their name silk screened on those things.
>
> I've done a fair amount of recording with them as well, and always been
> very pleased with the sound in the studio. And I don't add effects to the
> cymbals either. (Once in awhile to the snares, toms, basses.) Point
> being, if you haven't played them, how do you know? and not just one
> cymbal either, but the whole line of the hats, 14, 16, 18, and 20? They
> go together pretty damn well.
If you like the sound of them that's great but I doubt that you can say
that you like EVERY cymbal in the Scimitar line. I don't know anyone who is
devoted to a certain brand that can honestly say that all of their cymbals
sound great. Every company puts out duds and personally I think that
Zildjian could have made a better "budget" series than the Scimitar.
Nathan Philip Hauke
Gnat Jobe (nj...@college.antioch.edu) wrote:
:
: I've done a fair amount of recording with them as well, and always been
: cymbals either. (Once in awhile to the snares, toms, basses.) Point
: being, if you haven't played them, how do you know? and not just one
: cymbal either, but the whole line of the hats, 14, 16, 18, and 20? They
: Exports, Scimitars, and Slingerland marching snares have no place in
: percussion.
sing it brother.. testify!!!
nate
Radimaque
I just picked up a DW snare at a steal for 300$ and it sounds great.
But as a compromise, I'm contemplating getting a Sonor kit in the near
future.
Both companies drastically overcharge for their stuff, but hey that's
what supply-and-demand is all about..
Anybody who has played the new S-class drums from Sonor, please get back
to me
Rev. Poindexter
In article <19970209202...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
bcal...@aol.com wrote:
I've had my Phonic Pluses since '84. I bought them used and I've played
them on average 4 nights a week for the last 13 years. The only thing that
ever broke was the mounting plate on my 14" tom and that took 2 years to
crack all the way through. $20 and a 2 month wait for them to ship the part
from Germany and all was well again.
I'm convinced you could drop them from a 3 storey building and not suffer
any appreciable damage.
Long live Sonor!!!
Rev. Poindexter
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ben adrian
> Why SOnor over DW? That is like asking why Ferrari over Hundai?
>
nahh, I can afford a hundai.
But neither a DW nor a (new) sonor.
Oh yeah, that reminds me, on Sunday, I was in a music store, and I was
messing around with a set of Sonic Plus's. May, those sounded GREAT.
And this is Sonor's botom of the line kit.
Does anyone have a price/size list for these drums?
ben adrian
> Why SOnor over DW? That is like asking why Ferrari over Hundai?
>
> Robert Schuh
nahh, I can afford a hundai.
But neither a DW nor a (new) sonor.
Oh yeah, that reminds me, on Sunday, I was in a music store, and I was
messing around with a set of Sonic Plus's. Man, those sounded GREAT.
Richard Osborn
I've had my Phonic Pluses since '84. I bought them used and I've
played
them on average 4 nights a week for the last 13 years. The only
thing that
ever broke was the mounting plate on my 14" tom and that took 2
years to
crack all the way through. $20 and a 2 month wait for them to ship
the part
from Germany and all was well again.
I'm convinced you could drop them from a 3 storey building and not
suffer
any appreciable damage.
Long live Sonor!!!
Thing is...
who can lug 'em all the way up there in the first place?
- R.
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bcal...@aol.com
>Oh yeah, that reminds me, on Sunday, I was in a music store, and I was
>messing around with a set of Sonic Plus's. May, those sounded GREAT.
>And this is Sonor's botom of the line kit.
>
>Does anyone have a price/size list for these drums?
Standard 5pc kit w/hardware RETAILS at 1995.00!!! WOW, huh? An all birch kit, manufactured in Germany for under 2K???? Sonor is on the move! Check out the NEW S-CLASS from Sonor, as well!
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bcal...@aol.com wrote:
> Standard 5pc kit w/hardware RETAILS at 1995.00!!! WOW, huh? An all birch kit, manufactured in Germany for under 2K???? Sonor is on the move! Check out the NEW S-CLASS from Sonor, as well!
>
The mounting hardware looks a tad flimsy, with the T-Bar thing. I think
I'd ditch it for RIMS.
Is the new S-class kit a birch/maple hybrid, or is it like a Maple bass,
with a birch snare and birch toms?
Mark
mkar...@uvic.ca
Radimaque
Mark:
The new S-Class is a birch/maple hybrid.. w/ 3 ply of birch and 2 of
maple.....
Are the Sonic-Plus really ALL birch? I thought they had some type of
other wood to act as a resonater?
Does anybody know if Sonor will custom make a drum for a kit?... B/c I'm
going to try out the S-Class but they don't make an 8x12. That would keep
me from buying it
Chris Cawthray
Radimaque wrote:
>
> Mark:
> The new S-Class is a birch/maple hybrid.. w/ 3 ply of birch and 2 of
> maple.....
> Are the Sonic-Plus really ALL birch? I thought they had some type of
> other wood to act as a resonater?
they were 100% birch.... I don't know if they are still in production, possibly replaced
by S-Class....
> Does anybody know if Sonor will custom make a drum for a kit?... B/c I'm
> going to try out the S-Class but they don't make an 8x12. That would keep
> me from buying it
SONOR will do just about anything, but for a price. ;)
Honestly, I doubt they would do up an S-Class custom drum. I imagine one of the reasons
s-Class is affordable is because instead of skimping on materials, they've reduced the
number of options.....
you'd be able to get a Designer Series 8x12 no problem. Heck, they might even put
S-Class metal on a Designer shell for ya.
I am just not sure if they are in a position to custom-make shell sizes in the S-Class.
buy SONOR, you won't be dissapointed.
chris